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To learn more, please visit the World Culture Project and read about D. Paul Schafer's most recent book, The Great Cultural Awakening

Show Notes:

0:00 Schafer quotes Gurte: “live in the whole , the good and the beautiful”

2:15 background 

7:50 Ontario Arts Council

8:15 Arts Administration and Cultural Policy graduate program at York University

8:45 freelancer-UNESCO, Canadian Dep’t of External Affairs

9:25 publications predicated on argument that it’s time to shift from Economic Age to Cultural Age

9:50 creation of the World Culture Project

16:40 Culture: Beacon of the Future (1998)

18:10 AI impact

18:45 Geoffrey Hinton’s concerns over AI

20:50 Revolution or Renaissance: Making the Transition from an Economic Age to a Cultural Age (2008) 

24:25 The World as Culture: Cultivation of the Soul to the Cosmic Whole (2022)

30:05 The Great Cultural Awakening: Key to an Equitable, Sustainable and Harmonious Age (2024)

42:30 future leaders should have backgrounds in the arts and culture sector

46:50 Feedback received about The Great Cultural Awakening

48:00 excerpt from The Great Cultural Awakening’s chapter titled Tale of Two Ages that references Charles Dickens’ Tale of Two Cities

53:00 the power of art to address social injustice

1:00:00 definition of justice

1:02:20 Cultural Historian Johan Huizinga, author of The Waning of the Middle Ages

1:04:20 legacy 

1:06:40 future projects

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Show notes:

1:20 background and work in IP law and technology

2:20 blog article, “What can internet history teach us?”

3:25 IP issues emerging in the age of AI

5:10 inevitability of AI

6:40 global regulation of AI

8:25 Emily Gould - which body would handle global regulation of AI

11:00 Council of Europe’s adoption of first AI international treaty 

11:50 Gould - UK proposal to expand text and data mining exception to cover commercial uses 

14:55 transparency issues 

18:40 Gould - response - need for legislation

20:20 authorship question 

21:40 THJ Systems v. Sheridan (THJ Systems Ltd. v. Sheridan [2023] EWCA Civ 1354, [2024] E.C.D.R. 4, CA, 20 November 2023) is of great interest because it confirms the test for originality in copyright law in the UK after Brexit.

22:55 Li v. Liu, Case Number: (2023) Jing 0491 Min Chu No. 11279, Beijing Internet Court, 27 November 2023

25:00 NFTs

25:30 Thaler v. Perlmutter and USCO, USCA Case #23-5233 

 29:30 continued utility of copyright 

32:40 AI copyright suits in the US

36:30 cultural impact of AI models’ accelerated training capabilities 

38:20 view of whether there is a future for careers in art

42:50 tools like spawning.ai for artists’ protections 

43:00 opt ins versus opt outs

43:50 technological protections like Glaze and Nightshade 

45:15 difficulty of implementing opt ins 

47:45 injustices in the AI age and definition of justice

50:33 mark that Andres hopes to make with his work

53:40 Stefania Salles-Bruins - IP protection for AI software and outputs

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Cover image by Nosrat Tarighi of Sanjay Sethi at an AFI event entitled Revolutions and Movements

To learn more, please visit the sites for Artistic Freedom Initiative and Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC.

Show Notes:

2:00 overview of Sethi’s background and work as Founding Partner of Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC and Co-Executive Director of Artistic Freedom Initiative (AFI)
3:45 genesis and mission of AFI
5:00 AFI’s services
8:00 AFI’s residency program
9:00 AFI’s Artists for Social Change
9:45 challenges to helping artists
13:00 AFI’s creation of a sponsorship model
13:30 AFI’s program in Germany
15:00 determination of artists in imminent danger
16:20 assistance for female artists
18:20 university placements for female artists
18:40 the New School’s fellowships for Afghan artists at risk
19:00 Germany’s program for artists at risk
21:00 Journals of Exile at the Berliner Ensemble
22:10 programs through AFI’s Artists For Social Change
23:45 Brazilian Singer Songwriter Bia Ferreira
25:20 AFI’s Afghan Artists Protection Project & Iranian Artists Support Project
27:00 challenges of single intent visas like student visas and O-1 visas
28:30 denial of entry based on immigration intent for Afghan versus Iranian artists 
30:00 applications from Myanmar, Egypt, Nicaragua, India and particular Kashmir
31:00 impact of prior and upcoming elections 
31:30 Poland shifted back to center left with loss of Law and Justice (PiS) party
31:50 Slovakia’s election of Fico w/ agenda similar to Hungary’s Orbán
32:00 Slovenia’s election of liberal Robert Golob
32:10 Brazil’s election of leftist former president, defeating Pres. Jair Bolsonaro
32:15 Indian PM Narendra Modi’s Hindu Nationalist Party projected to win 
32:30 elections in Italy and the Netherlands
32:45 new and different threats to cultural sectors globally
33:00 AfI’s Artistic Freedom Monitor - initial reports on Poland and Hungary
36:00 regimes replaced museum/cultural institute heads w/ right wing politicians
36:00 Curation of shows under those regimes would conform to nationalist ideals
37:25  defunding anti-regime institutions or anti-Catholic in Poland 
37:50 intimidation of non-conforming artists
38:10 Poland’s use of blasphemy law to criminally charge non-conforming artists
38:00 chilling effect of such subversive mechanisms 
39:15 AFI’s position that arts decisions should be merits-based and non-ideological   
39:30 response to Artistic Freedom Monitor’s reports
40:00 erroneous belief that arts are inconsequential in public & political dialogue 
41:35 elevation of AFI’s advocacy efforts to an international forum 
44:00 collaboration to lobby for artistic and creative freedom
45:00 impact of artificial intelligence 
47:50 legacy of his work
49:50 his notion of justice 

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Please visit the website devoted to Arthur Szyk to learn more.

SHOW NOTES:

3:00 Ungar’s introduction to Szyk

10:15 Byron Sherwin’s involvement with creating a solo show Justice Illuminated: The Art of Arthur Szyk in Chicago with the Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies 

15:25 2000 Library of Congress exhibition, Artist for Freedom

21:00 2002 U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum’s exhibition, The Art and Politics of Arthur Szyk

23:25 Biography of Szyk by Joseph Ansell entitled Arthur Szyk: Artist, Jew, Pole

25:20 Exhibitions in Poland

32:45 2008 Deutshes Historiches museum exhibition

42:00 2017 New York Historical Society exhibition Soldier In Art

50:50 Bergson Group

55:50 McCarthyism & Szyk’s Thomas Jefferson’s Oath: “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. 

1:07:15 2017 Ungar’s book Arthur Szyk: Soldier In Art won 2017 National Jewish Book Award

1:13:20 Wagner

1:22:30 Comparison of Chagall’s White Crucifixion, Picasso’s Guernica and Szyk’s De Profundis

1:30:25 Japanese Historian Rinjiro Sodei’s book illustrated with Szyk’s work, Representing Hirohito in Wartime: The Art of Arthur Szyk

1:44:45 Book in progress to list the thirty institutions that hold Szyk’s work

1:46:35 Ungar’s memoir, Reviving An Artist’s Fame: My Life With Arthur Szyk

1:48:00 Short documentaries about Szyk 

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The following is a link to the Nelson-Atkins Museum's Discriminating Thieves Exhibition.

4:15 How Discriminating Thieves exhibition came about

6:20 Title of Discriminating Thieves exhibition came from correspondence by Nelson-Atkins’ first director Paul Gardner

7:30 One of the four works in the exhibition: painting by German Expressionist Emil Nolde titled Masks 

8:50 Karl Buchholz held Masks for a decade until 1948 when he sent it to dealer Curt Valentin 

11:30 Nolde was a member of Nazi party but still targeted by Nazis

15:00 Pitfalls of researching women

18:00 Marguerite Stern’s ownership of Jean – Francois Ducis’ 1779 Bust of Augustin Pajou 

19:50 Pierre Bonnard’s Still life with Guelder Roses

21:30 Nicolas de Largillière’s Augustus the Strong – erroneously listed on property card as portrait of King Frederick of Denmark 

25:00 2019 Collecting and Provenance: A Multidisciplinary Approach by Jane Milosch, Nick Pearce

25:50 German-American Provenance Research Exchange with the Smithsonian Provenance Research Initiative and Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation was a “game changer”

35:35 Guest speaker for Discriminating Thieves Exhibition was Corine Wegener, Director of the Smithsonian Cultural Rescue Initiative

42:00 The process of provenance research is never finished as new resources become available 

44:30 Importance of research in museum setting by individuals with specialized knowledge

46:30 Cincinnati Art Museum’s exhibition Paintings, Politics and the Monuments Men: The Berlin Masterpieces in America

47:30 Nelson-Atkins’ first curator of European Art Patrick Kelleher was one of the signatories of the Weisbaden Manifesto

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Below is the email for Dr. Jacques Schuhmacher:
j.schuhmacher@vam.ac.uk

The following is a link for more information on the Victoria & Albert Museum's Concealed Histories Exhibit.

SHOW NOTES

 3:30 importance of provenance research regarding potential for Nazi-looted art in collections outside of countries that had been occupied by the Nazis

 7:35 provenance gaps in Gilbert Collection didn’t raise concerns when the Gilberts were acquiring the collection; 

 9:40 Nazi-looted art found in U.S. collections in the 1990s, making this an issue for the international art market 

 10:55 Unclear provenance of snuffbox from Gutmann Collection 

 15:50 massive red flags raised by some objects like the Louis XVI enameled gold snuffbox looted from Maximilian von Goldschmidt-Rothschild

18:30 Decisions about restitution of looted art are not made by UK museums but by a panel of experts

19:45 The only restitution to date by the V&A has been of Meissen pieces.

22:05 even after Monuments Men joined the museum, an unbroken chain in provenance was not necessary; acquisition protocol in the U.K. didn’t change until 1998

23:40 Deaccession laws in the UK under the Heritage Act were changed with the U.K.’s Holocaust Act 2009 

35:30 no claims for works in the Gilbert Collection

37:35 Victoria & Albert Musuem’s Concealed Histories. 

38:38 Magdala1868 exhibition of Ethiopian cultural objects inspired V&A’sConcealed Histories.

41:35 MacKenzie Mallon with the Nelson-Atkins Museum had put on the Discriminating Thieves exhibition, which was a huge inspiration for V&A’s Concealed Histories. 

 42:50 Provenance research into Nazi-looted art detached from other types of provenance research

 44:45 Ethiopian Embassy negotiations for return of objects looted during Colonial era

 45:00 Long-term loans used to return work that is subject to deaccession laws; example being long term loan of silver item stolen during church festival in Spain

46:45 In 1999, discovered that V&A had bought in 1950s a silver item without realizing it was stolen in the 1890s in Spain; object has been on long-term loan since 2005

48:25 Gilbert collection is on 100+ years long term loan

50:00 Museum Association guidelines for restitution claims being updated

 51:15 Virtual loans

52:49 Notion of digital restitution 

54:30 upcoming provenance research handbook for researchers in English-speaking countries 

57:30  idea of a mega-website arose from the 1998 Washington Conference to allow cross-referencing to identify objects

58:35 no replacement for archival research

1:01:50  provenance research  includes newly acquired objects, loaned objects and objects for which questions are raised

1:05:15 He studied history and did PhD in German/Allied war crimes then worked at London’s Commission for Looted Art

1:07:50 Student inquiries about provenance research welcome

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Show Notes:

3:55 Marc Chagall's Passion imagery led the way for other artists

8:00 Lea Grundig

9:30 Francis Bacon

12:20 Mark Rothko

15:15 Picasso

20:05 Robert Morris

22:55 Jean Fautrier

25:25 Naftali Bezem; Igael Tumarkin

27:35 Lea Grundig

32:25 Hans Grundig

32:50  Zoran Music

35:45 Artists in Terezin: Bedrich Fritta and Leo Hassin 

44:00 Sculptors Jacques Lipschitz and Leonard Baskin 

52:20 Artists not in Holocaust who integrated Holocaust iconography

55:45 Anselm Kiefer

56:55 Death Fugue by Holocaust survivor Paul Celan 

58:00 Kiefer’s Margarethe and Shulamith series

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The following are links for more information about the Institute of Art and Law and the LLM program.

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Show Notes:

3:05 Alexander Herman discusses the Institute of Art and Law’s beginning in 1995

4:40 IAL founded by Norman Palmer and Ruth Redmond-Cooper 

5:15 IAL mission

7:15 Emily Gould discusses growth of art law

9:20 online courses 

10:05 Diploma in Art Profession Law and Ethics; next beginning online 5 June 2021

11:45 Diploma in Law and Collections Management 

12:15 Diploma in IP and Collections

13:25 Art as Security Seminar 

13:50 Restitution Dialogues

16:30 Blog 

16:50  Herman’s blog post on Copyright in America

18:10 Cariou v. Prince 

20:55 Marano v Metropolitan Museum of Art

23:00 Herman’s transformation of cover art from Supertramp’s 1979 album 

26:10  Gould's blog on Benin Bronzes

35:50 Museums and the Holocaust, Second Edition  

37:35  UK Holocaust Act

46:14 Topics covered in  Art Antiquity and Law Journal

51:05 Art, Business and Law LLM 

57:45 Conflicts and compliments of art and  law

1:00:45 NFTs

1:07:00 Smart contracts for NFTs

1:08:00 impact of art law and culture 

1:12:15 IAL speaks to justice by informing the public of the complexities within art law matters 

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The following are links to the Art History School's Chagall video and to the trailer for Flying Lovers.

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Here are links for more information on The Rothko Chapel and for the film trailer on The Rothko Chapel.

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