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D. Paul Schafer on Shifting to the Cultural Age and his book, The Great Cultural Awakening01 Sep 202401:10:16

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To learn more, please visit the World Culture Project and read about D. Paul Schafer's most recent book, The Great Cultural Awakening

Show Notes:

0:00 Schafer quotes Gurte: “live in the whole , the good and the beautiful”

2:15 background 

7:50 Ontario Arts Council

8:15 Arts Administration and Cultural Policy graduate program at York University

8:45 freelancer-UNESCO, Canadian Dep’t of External Affairs

9:25 publications predicated on argument that it’s time to shift from Economic Age to Cultural Age

9:50 creation of the World Culture Project

16:40 Culture: Beacon of the Future (1998)

18:10 AI impact

18:45 Geoffrey Hinton’s concerns over AI

20:50 Revolution or Renaissance: Making the Transition from an Economic Age to a Cultural Age (2008) 

24:25 The World as Culture: Cultivation of the Soul to the Cosmic Whole (2022)

30:05 The Great Cultural Awakening: Key to an Equitable, Sustainable and Harmonious Age (2024)

42:30 future leaders should have backgrounds in the arts and culture sector

46:50 Feedback received about The Great Cultural Awakening

48:00 excerpt from The Great Cultural Awakening’s chapter titled Tale of Two Ages that references Charles Dickens’ Tale of Two Cities

53:00 the power of art to address social injustice

1:00:00 definition of justice

1:02:20 Cultural Historian Johan Huizinga, author of The Waning of the Middle Ages

1:04:20 legacy 

1:06:40 future projects

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Dr. Andres Guadamuz on IP in the AI Age: Exploring Copyright, Authorship, and Future Regulations 04 Aug 202401:00:42

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Show notes:

1:20 background and work in IP law and technology

2:20 blog article, “What can internet history teach us?”

3:25 IP issues emerging in the age of AI

5:10 inevitability of AI

6:40 global regulation of AI

8:25 Emily Gould - which body would handle global regulation of AI

11:00 Council of Europe’s adoption of first AI international treaty 

11:50 Gould - UK proposal to expand text and data mining exception to cover commercial uses 

14:55 transparency issues 

18:40 Gould - response - need for legislation

20:20 authorship question 

21:40 THJ Systems v. Sheridan (THJ Systems Ltd. v. Sheridan [2023] EWCA Civ 1354, [2024] E.C.D.R. 4, CA, 20 November 2023) is of great interest because it confirms the test for originality in copyright law in the UK after Brexit.

22:55 Li v. Liu, Case Number: (2023) Jing 0491 Min Chu No. 11279, Beijing Internet Court, 27 November 2023

25:00 NFTs

25:30 Thaler v. Perlmutter and USCO, USCA Case #23-5233 

 29:30 continued utility of copyright 

32:40 AI copyright suits in the US

36:30 cultural impact of AI models’ accelerated training capabilities 

38:20 view of whether there is a future for careers in art

42:50 tools like spawning.ai for artists’ protections 

43:00 opt ins versus opt outs

43:50 technological protections like Glaze and Nightshade 

45:15 difficulty of implementing opt ins 

47:45 injustices in the AI age and definition of justice

50:33 mark that Andres hopes to make with his work

53:40 Stefania Salles-Bruins - IP protection for AI software and outputs



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Attorney Sanjay Sethi Discusses Artistic Freedom Initiative's Work, Oppression of the Arts and Cultural Sectors Globally & the Need for Pluralistic Discourse18 Feb 202400:55:07

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Cover image by Nosrat Tarighi of Sanjay Sethi at an AFI event entitled Revolutions and Movements

To learn more, please visit the sites for Artistic Freedom Initiative and Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC.

Show Notes:

2:00 overview of Sethi’s background and work as Founding Partner of Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC and Co-Executive Director of Artistic Freedom Initiative (AFI)
3:45 genesis and mission of AFI
5:00 AFI’s services
8:00 AFI’s residency program
9:00 AFI’s Artists for Social Change
9:45 challenges to helping artists
13:00 AFI’s creation of a sponsorship model
13:30 AFI’s program in Germany
15:00 determination of artists in imminent danger
16:20 assistance for female artists
18:20 university placements for female artists
18:40 the New School’s fellowships for Afghan artists at risk
19:00 Germany’s program for artists at risk
21:00 Journals of Exile at the Berliner Ensemble
22:10 programs through AFI’s Artists For Social Change
23:45 Brazilian Singer Songwriter Bia Ferreira
25:20 AFI’s Afghan Artists Protection Project & Iranian Artists Support Project
27:00 challenges of single intent visas like student visas and O-1 visas
28:30 denial of entry based on immigration intent for Afghan versus Iranian artists 
30:00 applications from Myanmar, Egypt, Nicaragua, India and particular Kashmir
31:00 impact of prior and upcoming elections 
31:30 Poland shifted back to center left with loss of Law and Justice (PiS) party
31:50 Slovakia’s election of Fico w/ agenda similar to Hungary’s Orbán
32:00 Slovenia’s election of liberal Robert Golob
32:10 Brazil’s election of leftist former president, defeating Pres. Jair Bolsonaro
32:15 Indian PM Narendra Modi’s Hindu Nationalist Party projected to win 
32:30 elections in Italy and the Netherlands
32:45 new and different threats to cultural sectors globally
33:00 AfI’s Artistic Freedom Monitor - initial reports on Poland and Hungary
36:00 regimes replaced museum/cultural institute heads w/ right wing politicians
36:00 Curation of shows under those regimes would conform to nationalist ideals
37:25  defunding anti-regime institutions or anti-Catholic in Poland 
37:50 intimidation of non-conforming artists
38:10 Poland’s use of blasphemy law to criminally charge non-conforming artists
38:00 chilling effect of such subversive mechanisms 
39:15 AFI’s position that arts decisions should be merits-based and non-ideological   
39:30 response to Artistic Freedom Monitor’s reports
40:00 erroneous belief that arts are inconsequential in public & political dialogue 
41:35 elevation of AFI’s advocacy efforts to an international forum 
44:00 collaboration to lobby for artistic and creative freedom
45:00 impact of artificial intelligence 
47:50 legacy of his work
49:50 his notion of justice 


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Fighting Artist Arthur Szyk: Szyk Expert Irvin Ungar on Social Justice, Historical Justice and the Artist's Role 11 Jul 202101:49:38

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Please visit the website devoted to Arthur Szyk to learn more.

SHOW NOTES:

3:00 Ungar’s introduction to Szyk

10:15 Byron Sherwin’s involvement with creating a solo show Justice Illuminated: The Art of Arthur Szyk in Chicago with the Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies 

15:25 2000 Library of Congress exhibition, Artist for Freedom

21:00 2002 U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum’s exhibition, The Art and Politics of Arthur Szyk

23:25 Biography of Szyk by Joseph Ansell entitled Arthur Szyk: Artist, Jew, Pole

25:20 Exhibitions in Poland

32:45 2008 Deutshes Historiches museum exhibition

42:00 2017 New York Historical Society exhibition Soldier In Art

50:50 Bergson Group

55:50 McCarthyism & Szyk’s Thomas Jefferson’s Oath: “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. 

1:07:15 2017 Ungar’s book Arthur Szyk: Soldier In Art won 2017 National Jewish Book Award

1:13:20 Wagner

1:22:30 Comparison of Chagall’s White Crucifixion, Picasso’s Guernica and Szyk’s De Profundis

1:30:25 Japanese Historian Rinjiro Sodei’s book illustrated with Szyk’s work, Representing Hirohito in Wartime: The Art of Arthur Szyk

1:44:45 Book in progress to list the thirty institutions that hold Szyk’s work

1:46:35 Ungar’s memoir, Reviving An Artist’s Fame: My Life With Arthur Szyk

1:48:00 Short documentaries about Szyk 


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Glance at Culture - Nelson-Atkins Museum's Provenance Specialist: MacKenzie Mallon on Nazi Looted Art, Restitution and Provenance Research18 Jun 202100:47:04

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The following is a link to the Nelson-Atkins Museum's Discriminating Thieves Exhibition.

4:15 How Discriminating Thieves exhibition came about

6:20 Title of Discriminating Thieves exhibition came from correspondence by Nelson-Atkins’ first director Paul Gardner

7:30 One of the four works in the exhibition: painting by German Expressionist Emil Nolde titled Masks 

8:50 Karl Buchholz held Masks for a decade until 1948 when he sent it to dealer Curt Valentin 

11:30 Nolde was a member of Nazi party but still targeted by Nazis

15:00 Pitfalls of researching women

18:00 Marguerite Stern’s ownership of Jean – Francois Ducis’ 1779 Bust of Augustin Pajou 

19:50 Pierre Bonnard’s Still life with Guelder Roses

21:30 Nicolas de Largillière’s Augustus the Strong – erroneously listed on property card as portrait of King Frederick of Denmark 

25:00 2019 Collecting and Provenance: A Multidisciplinary Approach by Jane Milosch, Nick Pearce

25:50 German-American Provenance Research Exchange with the Smithsonian Provenance Research Initiative and Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation was a “game changer”

35:35 Guest speaker for Discriminating Thieves Exhibition was Corine Wegener, Director of the Smithsonian Cultural Rescue Initiative

42:00 The process of provenance research is never finished as new resources become available 

44:30 Importance of research in museum setting by individuals with specialized knowledge

46:30 Cincinnati Art Museum’s exhibition Paintings, Politics and the Monuments Men: The Berlin Masterpieces in America

47:30 Nelson-Atkins’ first curator of European Art Patrick Kelleher was one of the signatories of the Weisbaden Manifesto


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Victoria and Albert Museum's Provenance and Spoliation Curator: Dr. Jacques Schuhmacher on Provenance Research, Art Restitution and the Role of Museums13 Jun 202101:07:58

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Below is the email for Dr. Jacques Schuhmacher:
j.schuhmacher@vam.ac.uk

The following is a link for more information on the Victoria & Albert Museum's Concealed Histories Exhibit.

SHOW NOTES

 3:30 importance of provenance research regarding potential for Nazi-looted art in collections outside of countries that had been occupied by the Nazis

 7:35 provenance gaps in Gilbert Collection didn’t raise concerns when the Gilberts were acquiring the collection; 

 9:40 Nazi-looted art found in U.S. collections in the 1990s, making this an issue for the international art market 

 10:55 Unclear provenance of snuffbox from Gutmann Collection 

 15:50 massive red flags raised by some objects like the Louis XVI enameled gold snuffbox looted from Maximilian von Goldschmidt-Rothschild

18:30 Decisions about restitution of looted art are not made by UK museums but by a panel of experts

19:45 The only restitution to date by the V&A has been of Meissen pieces.

22:05 even after Monuments Men joined the museum, an unbroken chain in provenance was not necessary; acquisition protocol in the U.K. didn’t change until 1998

23:40 Deaccession laws in the UK under the Heritage Act were changed with the U.K.’s Holocaust Act 2009 

35:30 no claims for works in the Gilbert Collection

37:35 Victoria & Albert Musuem’s Concealed Histories. 

38:38 Magdala1868 exhibition of Ethiopian cultural objects inspired V&A’sConcealed Histories.

41:35 MacKenzie Mallon with the Nelson-Atkins Museum had put on the Discriminating Thieves exhibition, which was a huge inspiration for V&A’s Concealed Histories

 42:50 Provenance research into Nazi-looted art detached from other types of provenance research

 44:45 Ethiopian Embassy negotiations for return of objects looted during Colonial era

 45:00 Long-term loans used to return work that is subject to deaccession laws; example being long term loan of silver item stolen during church festival in Spain

46:45 In 1999, discovered that V&A had bought in 1950s a silver item without realizing it was stolen in the 1890s in Spain; object has been on long-term loan since 2005

48:25 Gilbert collection is on 100+ years long term loan

50:00 Museum Association guidelines for restitution claims being updated

 51:15 Virtual loans

52:49 Notion of digital restitution 

54:30 upcoming provenance research handbook for researchers in English-speaking countries 

57:30  idea of a mega-website arose from the 1998 Washington Conference to allow cross-referencing to identify objects

58:35 no replacement for archival research

1:01:50  provenance research  includes newly acquired objects, loaned objects and objects for which questions are raised

1:05:15 He studied history and did PhD in German/Allied war crimes then worked at London’s Commission for Looted Art

1:07:50 Student inquiries about provenance research welcome

 

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Glance at Culture - The Holocaust in Modern Art: Professor Ziva Amishai-Maisels on Artists Picasso, Chagall, Rothko, Bacon and more21 May 202101:03:51

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Show Notes:

3:55 Marc Chagall's Passion imagery led the way for other artists

8:00 Lea Grundig

9:30 Francis Bacon

12:20 Mark Rothko

15:15 Picasso

20:05 Robert Morris

22:55 Jean Fautrier

25:25 Naftali Bezem; Igael Tumarkin

27:35 Lea Grundig

32:25 Hans Grundig

32:50  Zoran Music

35:45 Artists in Terezin: Bedrich Fritta and Leo Hassin 

44:00 Sculptors Jacques Lipschitz and Leonard Baskin 

52:20 Artists not in Holocaust who integrated Holocaust iconography

55:45 Anselm Kiefer

56:55 Death Fugue by Holocaust survivor Paul Celan 

58:00 Kiefer’s Margarethe and Shulamith series


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Institute of Art & Law: Alexander Herman & Emily Gould on Restitution, the Holocaust, Copyright, NFTs and Benin Bronzes16 May 202101:14:06

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Show Notes:

3:05 Alexander Herman discusses the Institute of Art and Law’s beginning in 1995

4:40 IAL founded by Norman Palmer and Ruth Redmond-Cooper 

5:15 IAL mission

7:15 Emily Gould discusses growth of art law

9:20 online courses 

10:05 Diploma in Art Profession Law and Ethics; next beginning online 5 June 2021

11:45 Diploma in Law and Collections Management 

12:15 Diploma in IP and Collections

13:25 Art as Security Seminar 

13:50 Restitution Dialogues

16:30 Blog 

16:50  Herman’s blog post on Copyright in America

18:10 Cariou v. Prince 

20:55 Marano v Metropolitan Museum of Art

23:00 Herman’s transformation of cover art from Supertramp’s 1979 album 

26:10  Gould's blog on Benin Bronzes

35:50 Museums and the Holocaust, Second Edition  

37:35  UK Holocaust Act

46:14 Topics covered in  Art Antiquity and Law Journal

51:05 Art, Business and Law LLM 

57:45 Conflicts and compliments of art and  law

1:00:45 NFTs

1:07:00 Smart contracts for NFTs

1:08:00 impact of art law and culture 

1:12:15 IAL speaks to justice by informing the public of the complexities within art law matters 


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Glance at Culture - Painter/Poet Marc Chagall14 May 202100:03:26

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The following are links to the Art History School's Chagall video and to the trailer for Flying Lovers.

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Glance at Culture - The Rothko Chapel07 May 202100:03:13

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Here are links for more information on The Rothko Chapel and for the film trailer on The Rothko Chapel.



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Glance at Culture - Cocktails with a Curator's Discussion of Lady Meux30 Apr 202100:03:51

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Cocktails with a Curator's episode on Lady Meux can be viewed here.


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Glance at Culture - 2ND Saturday Art + Justice Online Gatherings Announcement23 Apr 202100:01:43

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Second Saturday Art + Justice is an offering from the non-profit Art Haus for Justice.


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Glance at Culture - Toyland16 Apr 202100:01:57

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Link for Toyland.


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Dr. Elizabeth White and Dr. Joanna Sliwa discuss their book, The Counterfeit Countess: the Jewish Woman Who Rescued Thousands of Poles During the Holocaust04 Feb 202400:57:14

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Show Notes:
2:00 Dr. Joanna Sliwa’s background
4:20 Dr. Elizabeth White’s background 
5:20 Majdanek concentration camp
8:00 1989 - White received the manuscript of Dr. Janina Mehlberg’s unpublished memoir from Dr. Arthur Funk
10:30 Dr. Janina Mehlberg’s humanitarian work in Polish concentration camp during WWII
12:20 Mehlberg’s alias as Countess Suchodolska
13:30 2018 - Dr. Joanna Sliwa began work with Dr. White to research Mehlberg's memoir
15:00 reading from The Counterfeit Countess
20:00 balance of co-authoring The Counterfeit Countess
22:20 research process
24:00 surprises from the research 
27:45 Countess Karolina Lanckorońska
30:30 Saturnina Malm
33:30 Dr. Stefania Perzanowska 
35:00 view of women’s roles during war and instances of persecution 
38:00 empathic approach of Mehlberg as a model for today
42:00 propoganda
46:00 individual ways to address hate
49:00 justice
51:45 legacy
54:30 Sliwa’s focus on marginalized groups, including future volume on experiences of older jews before, during and after the Holocaust  

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Art Researcher Nathan Diament On the Legacy of Artist J.D. Kirszenbaum (1900-1954)11 Apr 202100:49:04

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Show Notes

04:30 Kirszenbaum’s work in Belgium after World War II

07:00 Israeli Museum Curator’s belief Kirszenbaum’s legacy should not die

07:40 Prof. Ziva Amishai-Maisels’ encouragement of Diament’s research

08:30 Art Loss Register and Kandinsky Library at Centre Pompidou 

09:15 600 of Kirszenbaum’s works burned during World War II

10:30 Baroness Alix de Rothschild’s assistance

11:20 Tel Aviv Museum’s works by Kirszenbaum

12:00 Dutch Artist Paul Lindgreen, a student of Kirszenbaum’s

12:20 Frans Hals Museum in Holland

13:50 Approximately 200 of Kirszenbaum’s works located

14:20 Israeli Exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work in 2013

16:30 Baroness Alix de Rothschild’s assistance

19:20 Book J.D. Kirszenbaum (1900-1954) The Lost Generation

21:00 Croatian exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work

22:00 Dutch Artist Paul Lindgreen, a student of Kirszenbaum’s

23:30 German exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work

24:00 French exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work upcoming

25:00 Kirszenbaum’s works about the Messiah and the Prophets

26:00 Tel Aviv Museum; Kirszenbaum’s Self Portrait with Cubism

26:55 Kirszenbaum’s caricatures in Germany during the world wars

28:00 Kandinsky Library at the Pompidou Center 

30:00 Baroness Alix de Rothschild’s assistance

34:45 Influences of Kandisky and Klee

35:55 Horseman of the Apocalypse

36:20 Kirszenbaum’s emancipation 

37:00 Chagall’s life and sources similar to Kirszenbaum’s 

42:40 Felix Nussbaum and Royal Museum of Belgium’s letter about Nussbaum

44:40 S.S. St. Louis

46:40 Baroness Alix de Rothschild commission of Prophets Triptych (Elias, Jeremiah, Moses)

50:00 Diament’s membership with Yad Vashem’s Commission of the Just

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Glance at Culture - In Every Generation: Remaking The Szyk Haggadah09 Apr 202100:03:51

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Glance at Culture - Law 101 for Dealers in Art and Antiquities02 Apr 202100:02:21

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Here is the link to the Institute of Art & Law's Law 101 for Dealers in Art and Antiquities


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Glance at Culture - Nuremberg Prosecutor Benjamin Ferencz 26 Mar 202100:02:59

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Glance at Culture - The $50 Million Art Swindle19 Mar 202100:03:51

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Artists' Rights, Heirs' Rights, Human Rights & Animal Rights: An Overview with Barrister Alan Robertshaw15 Mar 202100:58:32

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Show notes:

03:20 Banksy lawsuits
04:20 Tradeamarks
10:50 NFTs
11:45 moral rights
14:40 artist's right to disassociate from a work
18:00 Charging Bull & Fearless Girl
19:25 5Pointz
26:15 Banksy NFT
27:00 Certificates of Authenticy from Pest Control Office
30:00 Banksy's The Drinker
34:00 animal selfies
35:30 Harvard lawsuit over daguerreotypes of slaves
53:00 Confederate statutes; British statue of Edward Colston
55:00 Guelph Treasure case


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Glance at Culture - Benin Bronzes 12 Mar 202100:02:34

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The following are  links to the Art Angle Podcast episodes' first and second episodes that feature Dan Hick's discussion of the Benin Bronzes and his book, The Brutish Museums: The Benin Bronzes, Colonial Violence, and Cultural Restitution.


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Glance at Culture - Ghosts of the Third Reich05 Mar 202100:04:03

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Glance at Culture - Guernica26 Feb 202100:03:25

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Glance at Culture - Fireflies in the Dark: The Story of Friedl Dicker-Brandeis and the Children of Terezin19 Feb 202100:04:17

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Researcher Chiara Gallo on Influencer Advertising & Art - A 2ND Saturday Conversation 21 Jan 202400:51:10

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Show Notes:

1:00 overview of thesis topic
3:00 2018 music video at the Louvre by Beyoncé and Jay Z 
3:55 Advertising campaign by Louis Vuitton that featured Joan Mitchell paintings
6:00 2020 Uffizi promotional campaign to promote Botticelli exhibition
7:25 Uffizi’s TikTok account posting with Dua Lipa 
8:10 criticism of Uffizi campaigns
9:20 Approaches by EU and UK
11:20 Influencer marketing
14:35 EU Directive
30:10 Italian approach 
33:00 liability under Italian case law and consumer code
35:30 historical events that caused Gallo’s choice on research and thesis
37:00 Emily Gould
38:20 Alan Robertshaw 
43:15 risks and contractual issue with fees
46:20 Gould
47:45 Gallo on InstaGram disclosure 

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Mosse Art Restitution Project: Director of Investigations J. Eric Bartko On the Washington Principles and Restitution Efforts In Poland, Israel, Russia and the Netherlands15 Feb 202101:42:31

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Show Notes:

9:30 - Berlin art dealer Karl Haberstock
11:30 - Lepke and Union auctions
13:30 - Berliner Tageblatt
23:50 - Washington Principles
27:30 - Three Dancing Maidens fountain, Berg Schlitz
51:00 - German museums, Museum Island
1:02:00 - http://www.lostart.de
1:06:00 - https://www.mari-portal.de
1:11:00 - restitution of Winter or Skaters from Arkell Museum
1:15:00 - restitution efforts within Poland
1:17:00 - restitution efforts within Israel
1:21:00 - Germany's holding of Karl Blechen's Scholastica 
1:25:00 - restitution efforts within Russia 
1:31:00 - restitution efforts within Israel
1:40:00 - restitution efforts within the Netherlands


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Glance at Culture - Der Kaiser von Atlantis12 Feb 202100:03:25

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The following is a link to the opera Der Kaiser von Atlantis.


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Glance at Culture - Phoenix05 Feb 202100:02:34

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Glance at Culture - Brundibár29 Jan 202100:04:03

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The following is a link to the children's opera Brundibár performed in Czech.


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Glance at Culture - No Night So Dark One Family's Story of Memory Stolen and Regained22 Jan 202100:05:19

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Glance at Culture - the Hare with Amber Eyes15 Jan 202100:03:01

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Max Stern Art Restitution Project: Dr. Willi Korte On Restitution of Nazi-Looted Art, Sales Under Duress, and the German Advisory Commission14 Jan 202101:01:30

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Show Notes:
3:30 Dr. Korte’s initial inquiries in Düsseldorf
4:00 Galerie Stern dealt in Old Masters and 19th / early 20th Century artists
4:30 Dr. Korte’s research of Nazi records and post-war restitution claims
5:50 Stern inventory sold in November 1937 at Lempertz auction house in Cologne
7:00 Stern’s 1933-1938 inventory 
9:30 post-war restitution proceeding confirmed  1937 auction was a sale under duress
11:30 Stern’s art pursued as stolen property
12:50 Max Stern Art Restitution Project unique as a foundation only
13:30 Girl from the Sabiner Mountains sold at the 1937 Lempertz Auction; surfaced in Rhode Island auction house
14:50 Civil suit for Sabiner Mountains focused on 1937 Auction as stolen property
Phases I – III Approach of Restitution:
16:20 Phase I: Sabiner Mountains case argument that sales under duress are the same as seizures and confiscations, and Stern’s 228 paintings were sold as stolen property
17:30 Stern  approached  Customs Service at  U.S. Attorney’s Office in S.D.N.Y. to have remaining 227 paintings reported to Interpol as stolen property
19:50 August 1935 Order from Nazis required Stern to shut  gallery, creating period of persecution that ran until  1937 auction
21:25 Phase II: Italian gallery that held painting sold in  1935-1937 period in its collection ignored requests from project that painting be returned;  painting then seized while it was  in New York; stipulation signed  confirmed  work sold in 1936 was sold under duress
23:10 Phase III: 2019 German Advisory Commission recommended return of painting sold by Stern in 1936, “Uhlans on the March”, and concluded  Stern was under duress as of spring/summer 1933
25:00 Project will now pursue hundreds of paintings sold as of mid-1933
27:00 Private collectors in Europe not held to German Advisory Commission’s recommendations/Washington Principles;  German collector of Sicilian landscape by Andreas Achenbach sold by Stern in 1937 sued for its listing with Interpol.
35:00  Dynamic within Germany’s  Commission  appointment of two Jewish members.
36:45 Paintings sought are mostly on  German art market with some Dutch Old Masters expected to  appear on  European/ U.S. markets.
43:20 Bruegel painting  returned by the Dutch Government.
44:30  recent criticism of  Dutch commission may invite requests to Dutch Museum.
47:00 Dutch government may have thought these claims were only P.R. problem.
48:00 Jewish gallery owners are  challenging group seeking restitution. 
52:45 justice is part of the Project’s work and  losses that have occurred thus far.
58:00  Stern Cooperation Project is a German-Canadian-Israeli scholarly research project  focused on the Stern family.


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Glance at Culture - Transit08 Jan 202100:02:59

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Glance at Culture - The Art Dealer01 Jan 202100:02:59

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Chasing Portraits: Author and Filmmaker Elizabeth Rynecki on the Legacy of Warsaw-Based Artist Moshe Rynecki (1881/1885 – 1943)14 Dec 202000:38:27

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Show Notes: 

2:50 Moshe Rynecki is likened to an ethnographer and documented similar scenes that Roman Vishniac photographed

4:00 three surviving studies from Moshe’s time in the Warsaw Ghetto

5:00 Yehudit Shendar from Yad Vashem

8:00 Archives of Emanuel Ringelblum from the Warsaw Ghetto

9:15 Moshe’s decision to stay in Warsaw Ghetto to be with his people

13:30 Moshe hid 800 artworks;120 of the surviving artworks are with the Ryneckis

15:08 Warsaw’s Jewish Historical Institute has 52 works

15:14 Private collectors of Moshe’s work are in Canada, Israel, the U.S. and France

15:30 How the Jewish Historical Institute acquired the 52 works by Moshe in its collection

17:00 Restitution issues and historical justice 

20:00 Carla Shapreau

24:00 Artworks are also survivors with a story

25:00 Elizabeth Rynecki’s decision to author a book and create a film with this story

27:00 Elizabeth’s advice on seeking lost art: persistence and a sense of practicality

29:20 Books recommended by Elizabeth, including Landscape with Smoke Stacks: The Case of the Allegedly Plundered Degas that relates to a restitution case involving Simon Goodman 

35:20 Poland’s approach to restitution 


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Anthropologist and Author Dr. Giovanni Ercolani on Artists in Ukraine Who Are Preserving the Spirit of Maidan 07 Jan 202401:06:54

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To learn more, please have a look at Dr. Ercolani's book, The Maidan Museum: Preserving the Spirit of Maidan.
Show Notes:
1:00 Ercolani’s background
3:50 Ercolani’s focus of Ukraine
6:40 research and writing The Maidan Museum: Preserving the Spirit of Maidan
11:40 new Maidan language created that includes symbols
14:45 portraits by Marina Sochenko
16:50 Yulia Ovcharenko
17:45 Tatyana Cheprasova
18:20 Cheprasova’s use of Caravaggio 
19:00 Oleksandr Ivanovych Melnyk’s “I Can See Your Deeds”
19:45 Melnyk’s “I Can See Your Deeds”
20:25 French anthropologist Marc Augé - ‘anthropology of encounter’
21:15 Marina Sochenko’s art as documentation
21:55 Artistic Hundreds group
22:15 Artist Ivan Semesyuk with Artistic Hundreds
26:15 Kandinsky quote that artists are receivers and beneficiaries
28:15 Maidan art and a new world order
33:45 NATO
36:45 Maidan revolution and the current war
41:00 memory of identify and identity war
42:05 author Andrey Kurkov’s move to Ukraine to have the identity of Ukrainians
43:25 significant of preserving art and cultural heritage in times of conflict
47:00 his legacy 
49:50 his definition of justice
51:15 the constitution of Melfi by Emperor Frederick II
53:15 link between Russian-Ukraine War and Maidan Revolution
58:45 next projects focused on conflict in society
1:00:30 anthropological identity work tied to art and cultural heritage
1:02:30 artist seen as enemy

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Nazi Plundered Art: Miriam Friedman Morris On the Legacy of Artist and Activist David Friedmann (1893-1980)16 Nov 202001:44:28

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Cover art: 1922 painting by David Friedmann. To learn more, please visit David Friedmann's site,  view his 1920s portraits, and more:

https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/last_portrait/friedmann.asp
https://www.visitnorman.com/events/testimony-the-life-and-work-of-david-friedman
https://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/wall-of-fame/friedmann.html
https://blog.nli.org.il/en/lbh_friedmann/?fbclid=IwAR3xrdcUEDhSyMckJDFBEXIPmWAsS8ALOGmtOPdCkMX8uX2nM175CnQ6p9

Show Notes:

2:20 born in 1893 in Austria-Hungary
2:45 Studied with German painter/printmaker Lovis Corinth and German Etcher Hermann Struck 

6:40 Lodz Ghetto then Auschwitz

11:20  Lodz Ghetto Chronicle header -  Lodz Ghetto Bridge sketch

12:30 Austrian Writer Oskar Rosenfeld wrote about Friedmann

13:40 Jewish Museum in Prague

14:00 Auschwitz Museum donation  of Polish prisoner portrait

18:40 Berlin’s Centrum Judaicum Synagogue exhibited  Polish Prisoner sketch 

20:30 1943 sketches of hat factory survived

23:00 Researcher Eva Wiater located album with 33 colorized drawings at  Jewish Historical Institute 

37:00 Artwork surfaced in France marked with number that indicates  auction  

38:50 Buffalo, New York gallery  gifted Friedman works  

44:00  claimed 800 missing works in restitution claims - 2,000 actually missing

48:00  rebuilt  life in  U.S. - created billboards

49:00  Czech exhibition in  1946 - met second wife, Hildegard Taussig 

52:52 Holocaust paintings 1945-1946 - Palestine office purchased some - 1947 Palestine tour

53:15 During D.C. Jewish Holocaust Survivior’s Conference in 1983, Miriam learned seven  are held by Yad Vashem and three are at Holocaust History Museum

55:00 Etching by Friedmann dedicated to his violin teacher located 

1:04:00 Long Island chess player’s heirs donated some of Friedmann’s chess portraits to  Cleveland Public Library

1:05:00 2009 Holocaust Era Assets Conference Panel in Prague 

1:07:30  two Holocaust series

1:10:00 Sudeten Germans in Western Bohemia's use of Holocaust series for ration cards

1:19:00 1962 returned to  Holocaust paintings 

1:27:00 Drawings of  Prague Jewish Community leaders donated to Yad Vashem

1:29:00 Album of portraits exchanged between friends

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The Orpheus Clock: Art Researcher and Author Simon Goodman On Nazi-Looted Art, the Gutmann Collection, the HEAR Act, the Washington Principles, Provenance Research and Dutch Restitution Policy19 Oct 202000:56:51

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For more information, please have a look at The Orpheus Clock by Simon Goodman.

Show Notes:

3:00 Simon Goodman’s background that led to writing The Orpheus Clock

4:30 Location of first looted painting in Chicago in 1995 led to first restitution suit in U.S. 

7:00 Nazi inventories and handwritten note by Gutmann gave evidence of looted works; works were sent for safekeeping in Switzerland, the Netherlands and the U.S.

10:30 Anne Webber’s documentary about the Gutmann story, Making a Killing

17:00 Post-war, claimants were required to file individual claimants; Goodman’s father, for example, filed over 1,000 individual claims with the Dutch government

20:00 Goodman’s senate judiciary testimony to extend the statute of limitations for restitution claims; issues that make locating works difficult include change of dimensions, titles, attributions, etc.

24:00 Avoiding litigation in favor of negotiations 

30:00 6-7 successful restitutions from Dutch Committee with one pending and a claim to be filed against a museum in the Hague 

32:00 Goodman’s complaints to Dutch Committee about its change of direction to deny claimants based on revisionist thinking that museums have feelings and care about what’s in storage; and adoption of the concept of good and bad heirs

35:00 Right of inheritance and right to private property are international principles that should be observed

39:00 Potential claims for return of Goodman’s family home Bosbeek; expectation that one in a concentration camp was still expected to pay their mortgage and property taxes; and government refusal to re-write laws to address these types of injustices

41:00 Shares of the bank that the family founded in Germany

42:00 Simon focuses on the art because searching for beautiful thinks makes the search tolerable compared with searching for the missing insurance policies

43:00 Impediments to heirs include lack of evidence 

49:00 The Orpheus Clock was used as the title of the book because of its symbolism on many levels, including that it was the first direct restitution from a German official body

 51:00 Restitution for Simon’s grandmother’s fur coats

52:00 Restitution of Orpheus Clock triggered need to revive family trust and to create compact with remaining cousins, which helped to restore familial relationships broken by the Holocaust

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"Real" Artists Pursuing the Law: Artists from North America to Africa on the Study of Law, the Practice of Law and the Work of the Artist01 Oct 202002:00:25

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Show Notes:

Legal and Arts Careers

1:45 Lutswata Enid

8:50 Taylor Cobb

24:45 Conner Reddan

38:00 Andrew Smith

47:50 Jerry Alonzo

Defining Justice and Identifying Social Justice Issues

1:19:00 Lutswata Enid

1:23:00 Conner Reddan

1:27:00 Taylor Cobb

1:36:00 Andrew Smith

 Perseverance and Mapping Injustice

1:54:45 Taylor Cobb

1:55:35 Jerry Alonzo 

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Monuments Men and Women Foundation: Anna Bottinelli On World War II, Restitution, the Italian Carabinieri Cultural Heritage Protection Unit and the Weisbaden Manifesto26 Aug 202000:34:48

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Show Notes:

3:00 348 professionals including architects, librarians and curators comprised the Monuments, Fine Arts and Archives Organization known as the  Monuments Men

4:00 Robert Edsel’s founded of the Monuments Men Foundation 

4:40 Foundation’s initial mission to locate living Monuments Men, record their stories and honor their legacies; 2015 ceremony to award Congressional Gold Medal to Monuments Men

6:15 Foundation’s mission includes locating and returning objects looted during World War II; to date, over 38 objects have been located and returned

7:00 Foundation’s archives given to the National World War II Museum; Museum to open a Monuments Men Gallery

10:00 Foundation’s mission includes raising awareness about the importance of preserving cultural heritage in all countries; membership program launching soon

11:00 Foundation also conducts provenance research

14:00 Foundation’s website features top 15 looted works still missing from World War II

17:00 Foundation’s alliance with Italian Carabinieri Cultural Heritage Protection Unit

23:00 Foundation’s return of objects includes to German museums and individuals

24:30 Foundation’s quarterly newsletter

25:00 Foundation’s return of Italian books

26:00 Foundation’s return of paintings to South German gallery 

28:45 Significance of the Wiesbaden Manifesto

33:00 Foundation’s education programs

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Nazi Looted Art in the Netherlands: Author Janet Berg On Her Debut Novel, Rembrandt's Shadow, Nazi-Looted Art and Dutch Restitution Policy28 Jul 202000:33:31

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Show Notes:

 3:30 Katz Gallery targeted by Nazis as of 1938/39.

4:00 Katz family’s survival based on a Rembrandt painting

6:30 Bergs hired Lynn Nicholas, author of Rape of Europa, to research art looted from Katz Gallery

8:45 Rembrandt’s Portrait of Raman was exchanged with Nazis for 25 Jewish lives, returned by Dutch Government and donated to the L.A. County Museum

10:30 Characters in Rembrandt’s Shadow based on family

12:45 Family  became aware of location of looted paintings when visiting Dutch museum 

15:00 manifestations of trauma 

20:00 Family escaped to Jamaican internment camp

25:30 Katz Gallery’s inventory meant for  Führermuseum in Linz and for Göring

27:00 Family is  seeking  return of 144 paintings from Dutch Government

28:00 Dutch Government  possesses paintings looted from Katz Gallery 

29:00 Nazis gave appearance of legitimacy to sales by Katz Gallery

31:15 Berg’s second book, Restitution

Katz Gallery History:
In the late 1880s, Dutch Jewish businessman Katz opened a gallery to sell arts and antiquities that became an authoritative leader in the European art world in the 19th into the 20th Century. It specialized in 16th and 17th Century Dutch Master paintings, including those by Rembrandt and one of Rembrandt’s star students, Ferdinand Bol.

Brothers Nathan and Benjamin Katz took over the business in 1930,  attracted Nazi collectors during WWII and by May 1940 they were faced with a choice: sell paintings to Nazi officials like Göring and art dealer Alois Miedl [3] or face torture and murder.  Janet Berg's husband is the grandson of gallery owner Benjamin Katz.

Many of the Katz Gallery WWII sales became the subject of restitution claims in the Netherlands.  After WWII, the Netherlands was a party to various “Collection Point Agreements” by which it agreed to receive certain looted artworks as a custodian until they could be returned to their owners, including paintings taken from the Katz family.  Many of those works are now on display at various Dutch museums and state buildings, or in their storage.

The terms of those collection point agreements define the Netherlands “as custodians pending the determination of the lawful owners thereof; [and] that said items will be returned to their lawful owners”. By definition, one would imagine that a ‘custodian’ would guard property – not take ownership of it. 

Also as Janet mentioned, the Katz heirs pursued their claims with the Dutch government without much success.  In late 2012, the Dutch Restitution Committee issued its findings related to a claim for return of 189 works “sold” to the Nazis, only recommending return of a single painting.  After that a US suit was filed in federal court that was recently dismissed and is on appeal.

The Bergs' suit in the US is Berg v. Kingdom of the Netherlands, et al, Docket No. 18-CV-3123 (D.S.C. 2018).

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Nazi Looted Art: The Gurlitt Art Trove 28 Jun 202000:14:37

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This episode focuses on Nazi art dealer Hildebrand Gurlitt, recent findings about the history of the art he held, and ongoing efforts to return Nazi-looted art found in his collection, which was in the possession of his son, the late Cornelius Gurlitt. 

Show Notes:

1:30 Hildebrand Gurlitt exhibited modern artists, including German Expressionists 

2:30 Gurlitt began work for Nazis; he gathered art for the Führermuseum and was authorized to liquidate degenerate art

4:25 Hildebrand’s son, Cornelius, inherited his father’s collection 

5:20 German tax investigation led to locating approximately 1,500 works in Cornelius’ residences in Munich, Germany and Salzburg, Austria

6:20 Claim by Alfred Flechtheim’s heirs for Beckmann’s The Lion Tamer

8:00 Kunst Museum Bern inherited Gurlitt’s collection

8:30 Manet’s Ships at Sea in Stormy Weather was sold to Tokyo’s National Museum of Western Art

8:50 Gurlitt Art Find: Paths of Research 

10:15 27,000 documents from Gurlitt’s estate provide unreliable information about sales

11:00 Thomas Couture’s Portrait of a Seated Woman

11:40 Paul Cezanne’s Mont Sainte-Victoire

12:20 To date, 14 looted works have been returned to heirs, including Henri Matisse’s Woman with a Fan and Max Liebermann’s Two Riders on a Beach 

13:50 Questions arising from the Gurlitt Collection: how can right and wrong be so easily blurred? 

15:00 Why, in the shadow of mass murder, is the stealing of art important? Because small steps of hate, like theft of a people’s culture, lead to larger steps.

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Warfare of Art & Law - Introductory Episode28 Jun 202000:05:14

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This introductory episode discusses the true-life war stories to be shared in the coming episodes of this podcast. Each story is rooted in true events, ranging from Nazi-looted art to graffiti.

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*Bonus* “Signs” from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid22 Dec 202300:03:54

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Featuring excerpts from Episode 121, an interview with Dr. Samson Munn and musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023.


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Copyright Advocate & Author David Newhoff on State Sovereign Immunity, IP, AI and Artists' Rights - A 2ND Saturday Conversation17 Dec 202301:07:52

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Cover Photo of David Newhoff by Sean Mekas

To learn more, please visit Mr. Newhoff's site as well as his blog, The Illusion of More.

Show Notes:

1:45 Newhoff’s background 

4:15 impetus to write Who Invented Oscar Wilde?: The Photograph at the Center of Modern American Copyright? 

6:15 SCOTUS’s Warhol decision

10:00 Sarony’s input compared with and AI users’ input

14:00 Newhoff’s comments to USCO’s NOI and Request for Comments

17:20 compulsory licensing scheme

18:50 RightsClick

25:45 USCO’s focus on how a work was created (by AI or human) versus leaving that to courts

25:55 feedback on his comments to USCO

32:00 AI copyright lawsuits in the US

36:25 liability for AI training data

40:45 Emily Gould: whether training involves making copies, EU exception for copies

43:00 whether US copyright is still fit for purpose in light of issues raised by AI

44:20 work “in the style of” 

48:40 Deborah Roberts vs Lynthia Edwards - suit over collage works

52:30 Alan Robertshaw: threshold of infringing work versus transformative work

54:50 why use AI to create artwork

56:45 NFT hype

57:35 the legacy Newhoff hopes to be creating 

58:50 Newhoff’s view of justice 

1:01:00 status of Allen v. Cooper and Allen’s pending constitutional takings claim

1:04:00 camouflage patents

1:05:20 change from allowing IP claims against states to decision that Congress does not have that authority and 11th Amendment’s restriction of individuals bringing suit against states controlled 

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Dr. Samson Munn on Recovering Art by Jacob Mącznik and other School of Paris Artists, Escaping the Burden of Silence Through Dialogue, Citizenship, Israeli PM Netanyahu, the Fraught Concept of Legacy & Defining Justice03 Dec 202301:25:55

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Cover Image:  Self-Portrait, oil on canvas by Jacob Mącznik.

To learn more, please visit the website for Jacob Mącznik, the Lost Art Database page for Mącznik's Still Life with FishThe Austrian Encounter and the trailer to The Ghosts of the Third Reich.

Show Notes:

0:00 Dr. Samson Munn discussing Van Ham art auctionhouse

1:45 Munn’s background

2:50 history of Holocaust-related dialogue with Dan Bar-On

4:00 Children of the Third Reich

4:20 Austrian dialogue group 

4:35 Ghosts of the Third Reich

6:00 second group, The Encounter 

7:45 Dan Bar-On’s book Fear and Hope

12:00 examples from dialogue groups

17:15 Munn’s initial motivation to start dialogue group - emotional responsibility 

24:40 Munn’s dialogue work in Northern Ireland

27:25 dialogue work with descendants of displaced indigenous peoples

28:50 preparation for dialogue group facilitators 

32:20 screening individuals for dialogue groups

33:45 Israeli, Polish and German citizenship

44:30 Jacob Mącznik’s work 

1:00:00 Van Ham auctionhouse

1:06:00 Parisian archive research

1:11:00 Munn’s research of other artists from the Paris School

1:12:30 female artists from the Paris School

1:14:30 Mącznik catalogue raisonne

1:17:00 legacy that Munn is working to create

1:19:30 justice

1:22:30 Israeli PM Netanyahu


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Fair Use and AI - A 2ND Saturday Exploration19 Nov 202300:45:09

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Show Notes:

0:00 Yelena Khajekian

1:30 Warhol v Goldsmith decision by SCOTUS 

3:00 USCO NOI’s Question 8

4:00 Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc., 593 U.S. ___ (2021)

4:20 liability question

4:45 Emily Gould - fair use

6:30 Alan Robertshaw - Warhol court’s focus on use of the work

7:50 Khajekian - artists’ perspective on Warhol decision

9:00 Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994)

10:20 confusion of fair use analysis and court’s aesthetic analysis

12:00 USCO NOI’s Question about fair use 

13:00 Robertshaw - UK’s fair dealing analysis

15:50 Gould - big players like Getty 

17:45 text and data mining exception

20:10 Drawdy - private contracting as a solution

21:00 Robertshaw - Getty

22:15 Khajekian - conceptual art

25:55 Warhol’s 2 Cir decision 

26:50 Gould & Khajekian - Richard Prince decision held not fair use

27:20 Khajekian - equity issue

28:40 Gould - UK courts’ emphasis on purpose, e.g., Stormtrooper helmet case 

30:30 Drawdy - amount and substantiality of use

31:10 Gould - Australian case about Men at Work’s use of folk song Kookaburra in its pop song Down Under

32:20 Robershaw - dispute over Vanilla Ice’s Ice Ice Baby

33:00 Ed Sheeran  

34:15 Getty case pending in UK

35:00 Khajekian - international versus US issues 

37:30 Robershaw - test that contemplates level of effort or end result regarding AI output

40:30 Gould - risks involved with AI

40:50 EU’s application-based approach 

41:10 AI for medical applications

41:55 detecting forgeries will still require humans, e.g., conflicting AI results regarding Raphael

42:50  implicit bias in AI

43:15 dogs detecting forgeries 

43:40 chickens detecting shapes

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Glance at Culture - Martha Szabo's NYC Solo Exhibition & MSeum's Celebration of Unknown Female Artists05 Nov 202300:54:31

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Cover art: Martha Szabo, Rooftops in Snow 11, oil on linen, 24 x 35 in., circa 1964

To learn more, please visit the sites for Martha Szabo and MSeum.

Show Notes:

0:00 Art historian Kathleen Hulser

1:30 Journalist Julia Szabo’s motivation to work on Martha Szabo’s body of work

4:30 MSeum to be built in the Catskills

5:00 National Association of Women in Construction

7:50 Justice for unknown female artists

11:15 Museum’s mission related to blind and low-vision visitors

13:45 Sculpture Robin Antar’s limestone sculpture of Szabo’s “Red Sunset”

15:20 Legacy to be created with MSeum includes redefining storage

16:45 Visible storage space

18:30 Julia Szabo’s parents

19:45 ‘Mother Artist’ field of scholarship

20:00 Author Hettie Judah

21:20 Reception for Martha Szabo’s exhibition Up On the Roof

22:10 Artist Christina Massey

23:20 Museum’s director Kathleen Hulser

24:30 “Up On the Roof” exhibition curated by Hulser

26:00 “Incorrigibles” trans media project

27:45 MSeum’s creation and mission

34:15 Hulser’s scope a MuSeum

36:45 Martha Szabo’s background and how it impacted her work 

43:15 Feedback about Martha Szabo’s solo exhibition Up On The Roof: Liberation, Transformation, Celebration

49:35 MSeum and exhibitions like “Up On The Roof” role in bringing some historical justice for female creatives

52:10 David Richard Gallery


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Glance at Culture - Anna D. Smith shares about Los Angeles Prisoner Artist Donald "C-Note" Hooker15 Oct 202300:34:30

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Cover art by Donald "C-Note" Hooker: top image "Cell Time" (2019); bottom image "During the Flood" (2017)

To learn more, please visit the sites for Donald "C-Note" Hooker and Art for Redemption.

Show Notes:
0:00 Anna D. Smith discussing C-Note Hooker’s artwork entitled “During the Flood”
1:20 Smith’s background
3:15 Smith’s work as a court advocate
4:00 Smith’s adoption of son, Emmanuel 
4:45 Smith’s contact with artist Donald “C-Note” Hooker
5:55 Art for Redemption coffee book
6:10 C-Note’s work related to social justice
6:45 “During the Flood” aka “Count Time”
7:50 California prison built on flood-prone areas 
8:45 compensation for incarcerated workers
11:00 Smith’s efforts to sell C-Note’s artwork
11:45 billboards “Incarceration Nation” and “Look Up Hope and Beauty”
12:20 “Colored Girl Warhol”
13:20 Billboard events to raise awareness about issues for the individuals in the system, the homeless, parolees 
14:10 “Incarceration Nation”
14:50 misconceptions about individuals in the system
16:45 defining justice and amendment of the 13th Amendment 
19:00 power of imagery to impact social awareness about issues with the system
20:30 legacy and need for connections
21:00 Martin Luther King’s inspiration to love one’s enemies
24:00 incarcerated individual who entered contest about rehabilitation 
27:00 view of justice for Smith began with her father’s work as teacher of economics to those incarcerated
30:30 Vanity Fair article 
32:00 importance of the arts in the system 

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Artist in Exile: Tetiana Cheprasova Shares About Her Work as a Witness of her Time07 Jul 202400:59:22

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To learn more about Tetiana Cheprasova, please visit her page at Agency of Artists in Exile.

Special thanks to Valentina Kostornichenko for acting as interpreter in this episode.

Show Notes:

0:00 Tetiana Cheprasova's view of the war in Ukraine & interpreter Valentina Kostornichenko

1:30 Cheprasova's background and work in painting, photography, sculptures and graphic design 

4:50 Giovanni Ercolani’s book The Maidan Museum Preserving the Spirit of Maidan. Art, Identity and the Revolution of Dignity that features Cheprasova’s paintings inspired by Caravaggio

8:00 from Cheprasova's Depassement portfolio - paintings of hands, including wounded hands signifying stigmata 

10:30 Mariupol woman who inspired Cheprasova

20:40 ‘Stop Emotions’ series of 9 paintings

25:00 Cityscapes of Mariupol

29:30 sculpture that’s part of new work to depict destruction in Ukraine

34:00 Parisian architecture

35:00 consequences of war 

38:00 power of art to address social injustices and the impact of war

41:00 Cheprasova's view of justice 

45:40 Cheprasova’s work as art therapist

49:20 Cheprasova’s hope for viewers of her work

53:00 Giovanni Ercolani’s questions to Cheprasova 

56:00 if only one person is impacted by your work, it’s worth doing 

56:50 Artists as witnesses of their time

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