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Show Notes:

2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship

3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity

5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework

5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter

8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product

9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective

12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech

13:30 Getty v. Stability finding  outputs are not copies so not infringements

14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms

17:05 US state and federal laws 

19:00 need for unified global protection

19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process 

21:40 Defining originality 

22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies 

24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness

24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern

25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works

26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense

27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm 

29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app 

31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language 

32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends

35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process

37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity

38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship

40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood 

43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI

44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output

45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools 

46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose

48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training

49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling 

50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk 

51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations

53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity

54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law

54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose 

55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork

55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries

57:25 Lebofsky’s work

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Show Notes:

1:45 Lawrence Badzin - introduction of The Surviving Project

5:45 three parts of Through Their Eyes Exhibition

7:00 Wings of Hope messages

9:00 stories from the delegation

10:15 exhibition mission

11:30 future cities for the exhibition: Chicago, Atlanta, LA, NYC, Toronto

12:40 how the exhibition addresses theme of drawing strength from what’s lost

15:00 defining justice – the way of getting back is continuing on

16:30 legacy of the exhibition 

18:00 Through Their Eyes Exhibition

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To learn more, please visit Father Harmon's site.

Show notes:

1:15 Harmon’s background and work as priest since 2008

2:10 teaching fine arts and being a pastoral resource at Loyola University

3:00 his work in the arts

8:20 history of art in Jesuit community 

12:00 Daniel Segers, Jesuit Priest and artist 

12:30  Harmon’s process as a painter in light of being a ‘work of service’

16:00 Harmon’s painting from pilgrimage through Spain

17:30 students’ responses

19:15 his attendance at New York Academy of Art  

23:30 Jerry Alonzo: how to communicate through your art

26:45 Pope Benedict XVI’s Encyclical Letter Caritas in Veritate 

28:20 definition of ‘sacred art’

30:30 seeking social justice through art

32:00 his work in Brownsville, TX connected to his art

33:00 his series of Catholic objects

35:30 his balance of time

37:25 Alan Robertshaw’s comments about all art being sacred

42:10 Tolkien and Flannery O’Connor on religious imagination

44:00 incorporating Catholic objects into his work

46:50 Emily Gould - spiritual impact of artwork/architecture/nature

49:15 Jarnick Vitters - importance of the physical objects to Harmon’s faith

51:00 Alan Robertshaw - subjective importance of objects

53:30 Yelena Khajekian - art as a sacred endeavor

54:40 Nnebundo Obi - interest in hearing about priest’s pursuit of other vocations 

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The featured image is titled Ahh...Youth! (2015 - ongoing), Sergio Muñoz Sarmiento. Ink jet print. Image: © and TM Sergio Muñoz Sarmiento. All rights reserved.

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0:06  routes taken by students wanting to pursue art law 

1:00 “gatekeepers” of art law

3:00  Sergio Sarmiento’s experience practicing art seriously since 1992, 

3:45 global expansion of art law practice 

4:10 former student in Seoul, Korea applying to law school there to do art law in Korea 

5:00 artists’ reliance on the law

6:00  protecting artist's rights through contract, as opposed to encouraging federal legislation in relation to resale royalties.

7:25  NFTs denied definition as art.    

9:10 reason for picking medium of NFT 

10:25 1970s pet rock 

13:00 1992 undergrad at the University of Texas at El Paso 

14:30 1995 CalArts 

15:25 teaching at University of Southern California 

15:50 focus on the concept of private property and public property

16:15 originally applied to law school as an art project

16:50 springboard for creating The Art & Law Program occurred during law school 

18:20 evolution of The Art & Law Program’s mission since 2010

22:35  skeptical now of art that that attempts or believes that it is critiquing the system

26:40 the necessity of the political mural 

29:40 how his perspective has changed on what is art and its value 

34:00  book project

36:20  National Basketball Association NFTs and terms of service

39:00   Art & Law Coloring Book 

44:20 how culture and justice addressed in Program

45:35 justice shown by example through cases read 

45:50 how justice is defined 

46:10 is justice provisional and bridge 

46:35 if justice is unachievable, is that why people are in a perpetual state of misery

47:00 diversity in Program

48:00 current cultural powers thwarting or facilitating justice 

49:00 museums’ use of their cultural power with social projects 

50:00 if art is everything, then art is nothing. If museums are everything, then museums are nothing. 

50:30  lecturer of The Art & Law Program questioning artist's work about immigration

52:15 plumbing services as art

53:30 acceptance of other forms or types of artistic activity doing social good institutionalizes that practice

54:45 what he would do differently would go back to 1997

56:10 impact he hope that his work, including the work with the Program, makes

56:30 practice as artist without institutional affiliation

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To learn more, please visit the websites of Terezín Music Foundation and its project Our Will to Live.

SHOW NOTES:
00:02:45 Foundation of Terezín Music Foundation

00:06:30 Our Will To Live

00:08:30 Ullmann as guide through Terezin’s cultural community 

00:09:35 Otto Weininger

00:12:20 Ullmann’s essays on Sigmund Schul included in Our Will To Live

00:13:30 Ullmann’s critiques of Carman and Verdi’s Requiem

00:14:45 Viktor Frankl

00:18:40 Council of Elders member Karel Herman

00:22:50 smuggling musical instruments

00:24:55 Ullmann’s critique of performance by Karel Švenk

00:26:05 knowledge of environment and history of creators enriches understanding of their work

00:26:10 George Horner

00:29:15 Yo-Yo Ma’s work with TMF

00:30:45 Yo-Yo Ma and George Horner’s performance at Boston’s Symphony Hall

00:32:45 Ludwig’s performance of Klein’s Lullabye for Dalai Lama at US Capital and in Sarajevo after seige

00:33:20 Our Will To Live as a work of historical justice

00:33:50 Primo Levy’s The Drowned and The Saved

00:35:00 How tracks for Our Will To Live were choosen

00:35:40 Karel Berman's performance of “A Sleepless Night” from Four Songs on Chinese poetry

00:36:00 cabaret works by Karel Svenk

00:37:15 Tracks of the month by OWTL

00:38:15 TMF’s ‘Finding A Voice’ program curriculum

00:39:55 enabling individuals to find their voice 

00:40:50 social justice and the voice of society

00:41:20 voices of Ullmann, Hans Krása,  Gideon Klein

00:42:05 Friedl Dicker-Brandeis 

00:44:50 Pavel Haas’ “A Sleepless Night” from Four Songs on Chinese Poetry

00:46:20 Gideon Klein’s String Trio, Second movement

00:46:55 Ullmann’s Third String Quartet

00:47:40 Hans Krása’s children's opera Brundibar 

00:48:10 Krása’s Passacaglia and Fugue for String Trio 

00:48:50 Picasso’s Guernica

00:49:30 Ullmann’s Don Quixote Overture 

00:51:10 TMF’s legacy

00:55:40  Track 27 Viktor Ullmann, Third String Quartet [13:38] (Terezín, 1943)
performed by Hawthorne String Quartet

01:09:45 Track 11 Gideon Klein, String Trio, Movement II — Theme and Variations [07:17] (Terezín, 1944), performed by Ronan Lefkowitz, violin; Mark Ludwig, viola; Sato Knudsen, cello

01:17:45 Track 12 Gideon Klein, String Trio, Movement III — Molto Vivace [03:04] (Terezín, 1944) performed by Ronan Lefkowitz, violin; Mark Ludwig, viola; Sato Knudsen, cello

01:21:05 Track 16 Pavel Haas, Four Songs on Chinese Poetry (for Karel Berman) “A Sleepless Night” (Han Yu [14:11] (Terezín, 1944) performed by Karel Berman, baritone, and Přemsyl Charnát, piano, November 1991 Czech Radio broadcast of a concert featuring Terezín composers in the Jewish Town Hall, Prague.

01:25:10 Track 29 Karel Švenk, “Why Does the Black Man Sit at the Back of the Car?” [01:16] (Terezín, 1943) Arrangement by David L. Post; performed by Thomas Martin, clarinet, and Hawthorne String Quartet

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Please visit the websites for Whitworth Art Gallery, Manchester Art Gallery, Decentralizing Political Economies, and Arte Útil to learn more.

2:00 Evolution Whitworth and Manchester Galleries’ mission

4:30 Use of art as a process for social change

5:00 Manchester Art Gallery

5:45 Whitworth Gallery

6:50 Healthy mind, body and spirit agenda

7:50 Platt Hall redevelopment

12:00 Pub as art center in Cumbria

14:00 Museum 3.0

16:30 Arte Útil and Cuban Artist Tania Bruguera 

18:10 Whitworth’s Office of Arte Útil

20:00 Aplicación Legal’s use of legal loopholes

20:58 Núria Güell’s Degenerate Art Protocol

22:00 Núria Güell’s project involving loophole that allowed occupation of Tower block in Spain after removing doors

23:30 Decentralizing Political Economies research platform

23:50 Joy Forever exhibition – based on Social Reformer John Ruskin’s 1857 two-day lecture on economy as making the right conditions for living 

24:55 Interplay between art and economy is fundamental to the way we develop society - how to see the world truthfully and then act ethically 

25:25 Art defined as what’s done with care and consideration 

26:05 Economics the Blockbuster exhibition

26:35 Reclaiming art as the operating system for our living conditions, as good housekeeping

27:50 Decentralizing Political Economies platform

28:30 NFT of William Blake’s The Ancient of Days

30:40 Proceeds of Blake NFT to be used for social programmes

31:41 Story of NFT to be used in exhibition 

33:15 U.S. Artist Suzanne Lacy’s current show at The Whitworth

34:05 SF MoMA’s version of a Suzanne Lacy retrospective

34:35 Lacy’s What Kind of City? A Manual for Social Change

36:10 Lacy’s Oakland Projects to be used for a new project in Manchester to give youths agency

37:55 Lacy’s Uncertain Futures project to be used for better working rights for women over 50 years old 

39:10 Capacity for change with individuals involved in and benefiting from these projects 

42:30 These projects are elegant demonstrations of why art matters

42:50 Art world individuals who have a vested interest in the status quo are sometimes the ones who criticize these types of projects

43:20 Social justice at the center of these projects 

43:50 The Whitworth and Manchester Galleries’ design as social instruments 

44:10 The beauty of ethics and equitable relationships 

45:00 Use of museums’ cultural power

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Please visit Laura Morelli's website to learn more.

Show Notes: 

2:20 Travels in Europe began  interest in art history

3:00 academia to historical fiction

4:20 Dual timelines of The Night Portrait and The Stolen Lady

5:45 Characters in The Night Portrait set around da Vinci’s Lady With an Ermine in  Italian Renaissance and its theft in Nazi-Occupied Poland

7:30 The Stolen Lady set around creation of Mona Lisa and efforts to save it during WWII

8:40 Conspiracies around Mona Lisa

9:40 16th and 17th Century copies of Mona Lisa

10:35 Theft of Mona Lisa in 1911 by Italian contractor who thought it had been stolen from Italy

11:45 Da Vinci’s work in Court of France; how Mona Lisa came to be in French Royal Collection and then Louvre

13:00 Use of protagonist Bellina’s agency as servant

15:45 Bonfire of the Vanities after  Medici  expelled from Florence, Italy

17:40 The Gondola Maker - 16th Century Venice

18:45 Gondola burning as a Venetian act of justice to punish gondolier

20:20 Characters in The Night Portrait

20:54 Cecilia Gallerani, subject of Lady with an Ermine

22:35 German art conservator Edith conscripted into looting 

23:30 Scale of art looting during World War II 

24:30 Hans Frank who served as Nazi General Governor of Nazi-occupied Poland and was known as the Butcher of Poland

25:50 Value of art versus value of life during war

26:45 Review of The Night Portrait compared character of Edith with character of Hannah in The Woman Who Heard Color by Kelly Jones 

27:45 Complications of character with Edith

28:40 Outlining 

31:20 Advice for historical fiction authors

32:05 Empowerment of writers

32:35 Read with eye of craftsperson to see skeleton of book

33:10 Foreshadowing in first chapters that will come to fruition later

34:00 recommendations of Tracy Chevalier and Geraldine Brooks

34:18 Author recommendation of Ken Follett, including his book The Pillars of the Earth about construction of a cathedral in Medieval England

35:20 Author recommendations of Umberto Eco; Maggie O’Farrell, including  Hamnet; and Karen Maitland

35:50 LauraMorelli.com and Art History Academy under ‘Learn’ tab

37:40 Virtual visits to Italian museums and archeological sites

39:00 Using art as research resource 

39:20 Books on daily life in era recommended as an aid for sensory details

40:25 Recommendations - craft of writing

42:35 Survivor bias 

44:15 Da Vinci’s missing/destroyed hydraulic and engineering projects

45:25 Raphael’s missing Portrait of a Youth

47:30 Facilitating historical justice through books like The Night Portrait

48:50 Upcoming book on the evacuation of the Uffizi Gallery

50:20 Uffizi book inspired by ways art evacuated/managed in Italy than elsewhere during WWII 

52:35 Historical justice theme in upcoming Uff

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Cover Photo from Bayeté Ross Smith's Our Kind of People: Campaign.

Please visit Bayeté Ross Smith's website to learn more.

Show Notes:

1:15 Genesis of Art of Justice program

6:00 African American experience in America

9:00 Florida A&M University’s business school 

12:25 Shift from corporate business to photography 

14:20 Our Kind of People project

16:40 Columbia’s Artist-in-Residency program

30:00 How  his audience has changed

34:30 U.S. government entities

36:40 State property exhibition related to state prisons

40:40 Continuing Legal Education 

42:00 Red Summers series

49:20 Historians who have worked with him

53:40 Red Summer series as a corrective narrative that connects to current times and aids in producing future outcomes

55:25 Upcoming projects

56:20 Legacy of his work as a resource 

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