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AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part III07 Dec 202500:59:43

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Show Notes:

2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship

3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity

5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework

5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter

8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product

9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective

12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech

13:30 Getty v. Stability finding  outputs are not copies so not infringements

14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms

17:05 US state and federal laws 

19:00 need for unified global protection

19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process 

21:40 Defining originality 

22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies 

24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness

24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern

25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works

26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense

27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm 

29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app 

31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language 

32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends

35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process

37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity

38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship

40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood 

43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI

44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output

45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools 

46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose

48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training

49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling 

50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk 

51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations

53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity

54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law

54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose 

55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork

55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries

57:25 Lebofsky’s work


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"Through Their Eyes" Exhibition - The Story of Kfar Azza Before, During and After 7 October 202323 Nov 202500:19:52

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Show Notes:

1:45 Lawrence Badzin - introduction of The Surviving Project

5:45 three parts of Through Their Eyes Exhibition

7:00 Wings of Hope messages

9:00 stories from the delegation

10:15 exhibition mission

11:30 future cities for the exhibition: Chicago, Atlanta, LA, NYC, Toronto

12:40 how the exhibition addresses theme of drawing strength from what’s lost

15:00 defining justice – the way of getting back is continuing on

16:30 legacy of the exhibition 

18:00 Through Their Eyes Exhibition




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Jesuit Priest & Artist Father Jonathan Harmon on Art as a 'Work of Service', Defining Sacred Art and Seeking Justice Through Art13 Apr 202500:57:29

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Show notes:

1:15 Harmon’s background and work as priest since 2008

2:10 teaching fine arts and being a pastoral resource at Loyola University

3:00 his work in the arts

8:20 history of art in Jesuit community 

12:00 Daniel Segers, Jesuit Priest and artist 

12:30  Harmon’s process as a painter in light of being a ‘work of service’

16:00 Harmon’s painting from pilgrimage through Spain

17:30 students’ responses

19:15 his attendance at New York Academy of Art  

23:30 Jerry Alonzo: how to communicate through your art

26:45 Pope Benedict XVI’s Encyclical Letter Caritas in Veritate 

28:20 definition of ‘sacred art’

30:30 seeking social justice through art

32:00 his work in Brownsville, TX connected to his art

33:00 his series of Catholic objects

35:30 his balance of time

37:25 Alan Robertshaw’s comments about all art being sacred

42:10 Tolkien and Flannery O’Connor on religious imagination

44:00 incorporating Catholic objects into his work

46:50 Emily Gould - spiritual impact of artwork/architecture/nature

49:15 Jarnick Vitters - importance of the physical objects to Harmon’s faith

51:00 Alan Robertshaw - subjective importance of objects

53:30 Yelena Khajekian - art as a sacred endeavor

54:40 Nnebundo Obi - interest in hearing about priest’s pursuit of other vocations 

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The Art & Law Program: Sergio Muñoz Sarmiento on Artists Rights, Culture & Justice, and the NBA & NFTs06 Feb 202200:59:24

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0:06  routes taken by students wanting to pursue art law 

1:00 “gatekeepers” of art law

3:00  Sergio Sarmiento’s experience practicing art seriously since 1992, 

3:45 global expansion of art law practice 

4:10 former student in Seoul, Korea applying to law school there to do art law in Korea 

5:00 artists’ reliance on the law

6:00  protecting artist's rights through contract, as opposed to encouraging federal legislation in relation to resale royalties.

7:25  NFTs denied definition as art.    

9:10 reason for picking medium of NFT 

10:25 1970s pet rock 

13:00 1992 undergrad at the University of Texas at El Paso 

14:30 1995 CalArts 

15:25 teaching at University of Southern California 

15:50 focus on the concept of private property and public property

16:15 originally applied to law school as an art project

16:50 springboard for creating The Art & Law Program occurred during law school 

18:20 evolution of The Art & Law Program’s mission since 2010

22:35  skeptical now of art that that attempts or believes that it is critiquing the system

26:40 the necessity of the political mural 

29:40 how his perspective has changed on what is art and its value 

34:00  book project

36:20  National Basketball Association NFTs and terms of service

39:00   Art & Law Coloring Book 

44:20 how culture and justice addressed in Program

45:35 justice shown by example through cases read 

45:50 how justice is defined 

46:10 is justice provisional and bridge 

46:35 if justice is unachievable, is that why people are in a perpetual state of misery

47:00 diversity in Program

48:00 current cultural powers thwarting or facilitating justice 

49:00 museums’ use of their cultural power with social projects 

50:00 if art is everything, then art is nothing. If museums are everything, then museums are nothing. 

50:30  lecturer of The Art & Law Program questioning artist's work about immigration

52:15 plumbing services as art

53:30 acceptance of other forms or types of artistic activity doing social good institutionalizes that practice

54:45 what he would do differently would go back to 1997

56:10 impact he hope that his work, including the work with the Program, makes

56:30 practice as artist without institutional affiliation

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2ND Saturday Art + Justice Bonus: Barrister Alan Robertshaw on UK Law Related To Art as Protest and Free Speech01 Feb 202200:05:58

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Glance at Culture - Terezín Music Foundation: Mark Ludwig on his new book Our Will To Live, Social Justice and the Holocaust21 Jan 202201:26:22

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SHOW NOTES:
00:02:45 Foundation of Terezín Music Foundation

00:06:30 Our Will To Live

00:08:30 Ullmann as guide through Terezin’s cultural community 

00:09:35 Otto Weininger

00:12:20 Ullmann’s essays on Sigmund Schul included in Our Will To Live

00:13:30 Ullmann’s critiques of Carman and Verdi’s Requiem

00:14:45 Viktor Frankl

00:18:40 Council of Elders member Karel Herman

00:22:50 smuggling musical instruments

00:24:55 Ullmann’s critique of performance by Karel Švenk

00:26:05 knowledge of environment and history of creators enriches understanding of their work

00:26:10 George Horner

00:29:15 Yo-Yo Ma’s work with TMF

00:30:45 Yo-Yo Ma and George Horner’s performance at Boston’s Symphony Hall

00:32:45 Ludwig’s performance of Klein’s Lullabye for Dalai Lama at US Capital and in Sarajevo after seige

00:33:20 Our Will To Live as a work of historical justice

00:33:50 Primo Levy’s The Drowned and The Saved

00:35:00 How tracks for Our Will To Live were choosen

00:35:40 Karel Berman's performance of “A Sleepless Night” from Four Songs on Chinese poetry

00:36:00 cabaret works by Karel Svenk

00:37:15 Tracks of the month by OWTL

00:38:15 TMF’s ‘Finding A Voice’ program curriculum

00:39:55 enabling individuals to find their voice 

00:40:50 social justice and the voice of society

00:41:20 voices of Ullmann, Hans Krása,  Gideon Klein

00:42:05 Friedl Dicker-Brandeis 

00:44:50 Pavel Haas’ “A Sleepless Night” from Four Songs on Chinese Poetry

00:46:20 Gideon Klein’s String Trio, Second movement

00:46:55 Ullmann’s Third String Quartet

00:47:40 Hans Krása’s children's opera Brundibar 

00:48:10 Krása’s Passacaglia and Fugue for String Trio 

00:48:50 Picasso’s Guernica

00:49:30 Ullmann’s Don Quixote Overture 

00:51:10 TMF’s legacy

00:55:40  Track 27 Viktor Ullmann, Third String Quartet [13:38] (Terezín, 1943)
performed by Hawthorne String Quartet

01:09:45 Track 11 Gideon Klein, String Trio, Movement II — Theme and Variations [07:17] (Terezín, 1944), performed by Ronan Lefkowitz, violin; Mark Ludwig, viola; Sato Knudsen, cello

01:17:45 Track 12 Gideon Klein, String Trio, Movement III — Molto Vivace [03:04] (Terezín, 1944) performed by Ronan Lefkowitz, violin; Mark Ludwig, viola; Sato Knudsen, cello

01:21:05 Track 16 Pavel Haas, Four Songs on Chinese Poetry (for Karel Berman) “A Sleepless Night” (Han Yu [14:11] (Terezín, 1944) performed by Karel Berman, baritone, and Přemsyl Charnát, piano, November 1991 Czech Radio broadcast of a concert featuring Terezín composers in the Jewish Town Hall, Prague.

01:25:10 Track 29 Karel Švenk, “Why Does the Black Man Sit at the Back of the Car?” [01:16] (Terezín, 1943) Arrangement by David L. Post; performed by Thomas Martin, clarinet, and Hawthorne String Quartet

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The Whitworth and Manchester Art Galleries: Alistair Hudson on Social Justice, Economics and the Role of Museums09 Jan 202200:45:34

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2:00 Evolution Whitworth and Manchester Galleries’ mission

4:30 Use of art as a process for social change

5:00 Manchester Art Gallery

5:45 Whitworth Gallery

6:50 Healthy mind, body and spirit agenda

7:50 Platt Hall redevelopment

12:00 Pub as art center in Cumbria

14:00 Museum 3.0

16:30 Arte Útil and Cuban Artist Tania Bruguera 

18:10 Whitworth’s Office of Arte Útil

20:00 Aplicación Legal’s use of legal loopholes

20:58 Núria Güell’s Degenerate Art Protocol

22:00 Núria Güell’s project involving loophole that allowed occupation of Tower block in Spain after removing doors

23:30 Decentralizing Political Economies research platform

23:50 Joy Forever exhibition – based on Social Reformer John Ruskin’s 1857 two-day lecture on economy as making the right conditions for living 

24:55 Interplay between art and economy is fundamental to the way we develop society - how to see the world truthfully and then act ethically 

25:25 Art defined as what’s done with care and consideration 

26:05 Economics the Blockbuster exhibition

26:35 Reclaiming art as the operating system for our living conditions, as good housekeeping

27:50 Decentralizing Political Economies platform

28:30 NFT of William Blake’s The Ancient of Days

30:40 Proceeds of Blake NFT to be used for social programmes

31:41 Story of NFT to be used in exhibition 

33:15 U.S. Artist Suzanne Lacy’s current show at The Whitworth

34:05 SF MoMA’s version of a Suzanne Lacy retrospective

34:35 Lacy’s What Kind of City? A Manual for Social Change

36:10 Lacy’s Oakland Projects to be used for a new project in Manchester to give youths agency

37:55 Lacy’s Uncertain Futures project to be used for better working rights for women over 50 years old 

39:10 Capacity for change with individuals involved in and benefiting from these projects 

42:30 These projects are elegant demonstrations of why art matters

42:50 Art world individuals who have a vested interest in the status quo are sometimes the ones who criticize these types of projects

43:20 Social justice at the center of these projects 

43:50 The Whitworth and Manchester Galleries’ design as social instruments 

44:10 The beauty of ethics and equitable relationships 

45:00 Use of museums’ cultural power


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2ND Saturday Art + Justice Bonus: Artist Nnebundo Obi on Painting and Social Responsibility 03 Jan 202200:20:55

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Glance at Culture - A Conversation with Art Historian and Author Dr. Laura Morelli on Historical Justice and Historical Fiction17 Dec 202100:53:39

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Show Notes: 

2:20 Travels in Europe began  interest in art history

3:00 academia to historical fiction

4:20 Dual timelines of The Night Portrait and The Stolen Lady

5:45 Characters in The Night Portrait set around da Vinci’s Lady With an Ermine in  Italian Renaissance and its theft in Nazi-Occupied Poland

7:30 The Stolen Lady set around creation of Mona Lisa and efforts to save it during WWII

8:40 Conspiracies around Mona Lisa

9:40 16th and 17th Century copies of Mona Lisa

10:35 Theft of Mona Lisa in 1911 by Italian contractor who thought it had been stolen from Italy

11:45 Da Vinci’s work in Court of France; how Mona Lisa came to be in French Royal Collection and then Louvre

13:00 Use of protagonist Bellina’s agency as servant

15:45 Bonfire of the Vanities after  Medici  expelled from Florence, Italy

17:40 The Gondola Maker - 16th Century Venice

18:45 Gondola burning as a Venetian act of justice to punish gondolier

20:20 Characters in The Night Portrait

20:54 Cecilia Gallerani, subject of Lady with an Ermine

22:35 German art conservator Edith conscripted into looting 

23:30 Scale of art looting during World War II 

24:30 Hans Frank who served as Nazi General Governor of Nazi-occupied Poland and was known as the Butcher of Poland

25:50 Value of art versus value of life during war

26:45 Review of The Night Portrait compared character of Edith with character of Hannah in The Woman Who Heard Color by Kelly Jones 

27:45 Complications of character with Edith

28:40 Outlining 

31:20 Advice for historical fiction authors

32:05 Empowerment of writers

32:35 Read with eye of craftsperson to see skeleton of book

33:10 Foreshadowing in first chapters that will come to fruition later

34:00 recommendations of Tracy Chevalier and Geraldine Brooks

34:18 Author recommendation of Ken Follett, including his book The Pillars of the Earth about construction of a cathedral in Medieval England

35:20 Author recommendations of Umberto Eco; Maggie O’Farrell, including  Hamnet; and Karen Maitland

35:50 LauraMorelli.com and Art History Academy under ‘Learn’ tab

37:40 Virtual visits to Italian museums and archeological sites

39:00 Using art as research resource 

39:20 Books on daily life in era recommended as an aid for sensory details

40:25 Recommendations - craft of writing

42:35 Survivor bias 

44:15 Da Vinci’s missing/destroyed hydraulic and engineering projects

45:25 Raphael’s missing Portrait of a Youth

47:30 Facilitating historical justice through books like The Night Portrait

48:50 Upcoming book on the evacuation of the Uffizi Gallery

50:20 Uffizi book inspired by ways art evacuated/managed in Italy than elsewhere during WWII 

52:35 Historical justice theme in upcoming Uff

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Columbia Law School's Inaugural Artist-In-Residence: A Conversation with Bayeté Ross Smith on Social Justice, Racial Injustice and Virtual Reality (VR)12 Dec 202100:58:48

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Show Notes:

1:15 Genesis of Art of Justice program

6:00 African American experience in America

9:00 Florida A&M University’s business school 

12:25 Shift from corporate business to photography 

14:20 Our Kind of People project

16:40 Columbia’s Artist-in-Residency program

30:00 How  his audience has changed

34:30 U.S. government entities

36:40 State property exhibition related to state prisons

40:40 Continuing Legal Education 

42:00 Red Summers series

49:20 Historians who have worked with him

53:40 Red Summer series as a corrective narrative that connects to current times and aids in producing future outcomes

55:25 Upcoming projects

56:20 Legacy of his work as a resource 


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2ND Saturday Art + Justice Bonus: Artist & Retired Judge Jerry Alonzo on Sculpture and Social Justice 10 Dec 202100:06:20

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Glance at Culture - The Neumann Exhibition at Worcester Art Museum: Claire Whitner on Art Restitution, Nazi Looting and Historical Justice19 Nov 202100:50:47

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SHOW NOTES

 2:45 Richard Neumann’s grandson Tom Selldorff  approached Worcester Museum to take  Neumann collection of 16 recovered works on long term loan

3:45 exhibition is meant to tell the story of the Neumann collection and efforts to reconstitute it 

4:25 Richard Neumann was a collector’s collector 

5:10 two exceptional works by Alessandro Magnasco

5:50 Madonna and Child by Neri di Bicci

7:45 Maerten van Heemskerck Donor Panels

9:20 Donor panels held in the Künsthistorisches Museum 

12:00 Neumann’s inventory 

12:50 Neumann’s lecturing on art in Cuba 

13:10 collection includes some works Neumann purchased from the Habsburg Dynasty holdings

13:45 Neumann’s primary advisors included Albertina Museum curator Otto Benesch and Italian drawings specialist Lili Fröhlich-Bume

14:25 Vienna was a city of Old Master and new artists when Neumann is collecting all while royal collections are also becoming available 

16:05 Sophie Lillie’s role in restitution of works to Neumann family 

17:40 di Bicci panel  discovered in a Sotheby’s catalog by Lillie

18:00 materials incorporated into exhibition 

18:30 verso of two paintings on pedestals 

18:40 di Bicci’s verso 

19:00 images in exhibition include French Ministry of Culture ceremony in 2013 for return of six works to Neumann family

19:30 Neumann family’s experience of looting speaks to larger narrative 

20:00 Neumann family’s efforts to locate looted works

20:30 museum’s responsibility for looted works

20:50 Worcester Museum publishes all works with incomplete Nazi provenance online and is in the process of working with one family to determine if a work in the Worcester collection is the looted work that the family is seeking

21:40 exhibition design: recreation of works in the Neumann’s Vienna home and process of locating works post-war 1950s-2021

25:20 verso of works 

26:50 forced sales / sales under duress

27:55 di Bicci’s Madonna and Child and Magnasco’s Monks at Mealtime appeared at auction 

30:00 Sotheby’s Art Loss Register search for Magnasco’s Monks at Mealtime 

31:20 1938 inventory of Neumann assets

32:20 1938 inventory includes paintings but not sculpture or works on paper

33:20 Linz Museum and works shipped to Paris

34:00 missing from Neumann inventory - van Dyck and Rubens

35:00 late 17th C / early 18th C Barogue / Rococo paintings for Linz Museum 

35:30 oil sketches

37:30 visitor reactions

40:15 exhibitions that informed Whitner in preparation of Neumann exhibition 

44:45 Sophie Lillie’s book Was Einmal War (What Once Was)

46:10 Stephanie Barron’s catalog of Degenerate art exhibition for LACM 

47:15 French government website with images of looted works 

48:30 Richard Neumann’s legacy is one of generosity and tenacity

50:00  escape from Vichy France to Cuba


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Art Crime & ARCA: Dr. Noah Charney About Art History, Art Recovery and Art Crime Education14 Nov 202100:43:04

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SHOW NOTES:

03:00 Dr. Charney’s interest in being a playwright led to foundation of Association for Research into Crimes against Art (ARCA)

05:00 Charney’s first book 

05:30 first conference to bring academics and art police together

06:30 criminalistics applied in Slovenia - a balanced policing system that merges the theories of criminology and practice of criminal investigation, forensics & police procedure

11:00 ARCA’s summer conference on art crime in central Italy

14:00 Italy’s Carabinieri Art Squad

17:50 ARCA’s CEO Linda Albertson

18:30 Albertson’s blog post about return of objects to Cambodia by Doug Latchford’s Estate

19:00 ARCA’s blog

21:30 recommendations on return of looted art or cultural heritage objects

24:00 Missing Masterpieces exhibition 

25:35 thief of Van Gogh’s Parsonage arrested though painting is still missing

25:50 tip on whereabouts of Jean-Baptiste Oudry’s The White Duck

26:20 panel of Ghent Altarpiece stolen in 1934 is still missing and is an ongoing open case in Ghent, Belgium

27:45 a work is ‘extant’ if its location is known

28:25 Justice Cycle panels by Rogier van der Weyden referenced in Charney’s Museum of Lost Art 

29:00 The Deposition in the Prado considered van der Weyden’s masterpiece

29:10 van der Weyden considered The Justice of Trajan and Herkinbald from the Justice cycle to be his masterpiece

29:45 the Justice cycle destroyed in a fire circa early 17th C.

29:55 survivor bias - 2018 book The Museum of Lost Art

31:10 The Devil in the Gallery: How Scandal, Shock, and Rivalry Made the Art World? also has a negative space approach

31:55  2017 book The Collector of Lives focuses on the life of Giorgio Vasari 

33:00 rivalry of artists in Caravaggio’s 1599 The Calling of St. Matthew - used duplicate of Sistine Chapel’s hand of God by Michelangelo to paint hand of Jesus 

34:15 Charney’s online discussion of Caravaggio’s 1599 The Calling of St. Matthew 

34:50 Book of Drawings, twelve folios by Giorgio Vasari

36:05 Vinci’s Battle of Angiati; Vasari’s use of false walls to preserve works he valued like da Vinci’s Battle of Angiati

37:15 third work would be the Justice Cycle

37:30 Charney’s preference for work in situ

39:00 Vasari’s use of false walls to cover paintings 

39:50 Vasari’s false wall in front of da Vinci’s Battle 

40:50 Charney’s recommendations of books published by ARCA

41:10 Context Matters: Collating the Past by David W.J. Gill - essays on antiquities, looting and archaeology

41:20 Transnational Art Crime by ARCA academic director Edgar Telehouse

41:45 The Secret Collector: the Lost Art Collection of Erich Šlomovič by Leon Pogelick and Slavko Pregl

42:45 Charney’s The Art Thief’s Handbook 


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AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part I02 Mar 202501:30:23

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Show notes:

3:00 David Newhoff - question of authorship

7:15 Peter Wasilko

9:00 Andres Guadamuz - blog post on AI copyright authorship

10:30 China’s focus on “intellectual achievement” 

12:20 Section 9(3) of its Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 

13:00 Emily Gould - whether copyright is fit for purpose 

13:30 UK joint evidence session on the future of AI and copyright law 

17:15 Newhoff - use of an artist’s style 

18:40 Wasilko - an artist’s training of a model with its own work

20:15 artist's post-stroke gen-AI recording from model training on his work

21:00 Salles Bruins' question on definition of intellect 

25:40 - Ankit Sahni -  China’s protection

28:30 Sahni - India’s position on creativity falls in the middle 

29:00 Ankit Sahni - RAGHAV output “Suryast” 

33:45 Ankit Sahni - protection of AI-assisted works by China’s courts 

35:00 Wasilko - hypothetical of photographing sunsets on VR headsets

36:50 Ankit Sahni - USCO’s case by case basis

37:50 Newhoff - what is actually protectable against infringement

39:30 Sarony decision: looking at human choices used to create photos

41:00 Newhoff - ‘authorship by adoption’ is a “bridge too far”

42:15 Salles Bruins - question about training in Wasilko’s hypothetical

43:10 Wasilko - “bridge too far”-requiring license to “learn” from works

48:00 Stanford’s CodeX Group - talk on product JudgeAI 

50:30 Andres - human creativity exists irrespective of copyright 

52:00 Salles Bruins - copyright is a tool to enable artists to profit 

53:30 Kritika Sahni - defining intellect dependent on AI context 

54:50 Ankit Sahni - sui generis system of registration 

58:45 Gould - applying a right like copyright to output  "tough" to get right

1:02:00 Guadamuz - Ukraine’s sui generis right for AI works 

1:03:45 Jason Jean - defining intellect 

1:08:50 Newhoff - unconvinced that it’s a “sui generis question”

1:09:30 Wasilko - whether inputting human work makes model “assistive”

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Glance at Culture - Curators Darsie Alexander & Sam Sackeroff Discuss the Jewish Museum's Afterlives Exhibition, Historical Justice, Art Restitution and the International Culture of Memory15 Oct 202101:14:24

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Cover Art from the Afterlives Exhibition by Kurt Schwitters, Opened by Customs, 1937 or 1938, Paper, printed paper, oil, and graphite collaged on paper Tate, London, purchased 1958

For more information about the Afterlives exhibition, please visit the Jewish Museum's website.

Show Notes:
00:02:00 inspiration for Afterlives: Recovering the Lost Stories of Looted Art

00:06:30 design of Afterlives 

00:10:15 windows metaphor of seeing through to the history of works and events

00:11:20  August Sander’s portrait photos of persecuted Jews

00:13:00 Jeu de Paume’s “Room of the Martyrs”

00:13:40 1942  photograph of Room of the Martyrs includes images of work by  Matisse,  Picasso,  Léger, and  Derain who were defamed as degenerate 

00:14:15 exhibition reunites large nude by Cezanne, small surrealist Picasso and post-cubist painting Composition by Fédor Löwenstein

00:14:52 Cezanne and Picasso looted from Alphonse Kann

00:15:00 Composition seizure

00:16:20 restution of Composition  in  process

00:17:45 works celebrate history of their creation and document their looting

00:18:00 artwork as documentation 

00:19:30 Rose Valland

00:20:20 Dachau records in ‘Creativity Under Duress’ gallery

00:20:50 work  by artists in exile

00:21:05 work  by artists  in camps and/or in hiding

00:22:00 Nuremberg trial  excerpt 

00:25:30 Judaica Room includes pieces from Jewish Museum’s collection affiliated with Jewish Cultural Reconstruction (JCR) and community of Danzig and  installation by Maria Eichhorn

00:28:15 Jewish Museum as temporary storage depot for the JCR 1949-1952

00:32:00 JCR aluminum tags on objects

00:32:20 Hannah Arendt’s work at the core of  Eichhorn’s commission

00:34:40 Eichhorn’s commission 

00:37:50 Arendt’s documents 

00:39:30  commissions by Lisa Oppenheim, Hadar Gad, Dor Guez and  Eichhorn

00:41:30 international perspective from these artists 

00:42:15  Oppenheim’s piece deals with work by Jean-Baptiste 

00:46:00 historical justice

00:49:00 international culture of memory

00:50:00 symposium

00:52:00 Pechstein's 1912  Paysage and Löwenstein’s 1939 Composition

00:54:45 We Fight to Build a Free World: An Exhibition by Jonathan Horowitz; and upcoming exhibition related to Ephrussi family story 

00:57:45 1940 charcoal portrait by Jacob Barosin while in French forced labor camp of fellow prisoner

01:00:15 Picasso’s 1929 Group of Characters

01:02:50  Pissarro’s 1872  Portrait of Minette

01:06:00  Portrait of Minette, Group of Characters and Cézanne’s Bather and Rocks 

01:06:50 Kurt Schwitters’ Opened by Customs from 1937/38

01:09:35 Afterlives  catalog 

01:10:30 reactions of visitors


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Guest Work Agency: Alana Kushnir on Art Law, Legal Design & NFTs10 Oct 202101:17:26

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To learn more about the Legal Lab Report, please visit Serpentine Legal Lab's website.

Show Notes:

2:30 Alana’s inspiration to merge curatorial and legal work into a single agency

5:50 Goldsmiths, University of London

9:30 curator and attorney Daniel McClean played a role in her creation of GWA

10:15 Daniel McClean’s books Dear Images: Art, Copyright and Culture and The Trials of Art

12:00 2017 exhibition Travelers: Stepping Into the Unknown at Osaka’s National Museum of Art

16:00 The Legal Bookshop

17:30 Traveler’s exhibition rose from exploration of how law is impacting contemporary art

19:00 book project Cooking Sections by Daniel Fernández Pascual and Alon Schwabe that celebrated their public installation in London titled The Empire Remains Book Store.

21:00 Cooking Sections' franchising heads of agreement 

22:20 collaborations

24:00 Serpentine Legal Lab’s project

28:00 Victoria Ivanova developed Serpentine’s R&D platform circa 2018-2019

28:45 Serpentine’s arts technologies department

29:45 Serpentine’s legal lab, block chain lab, creative AI lab and science lab

31:00 Serpentine’s chief tech officer Ben Vickers

32:20 Serpentine’s 2019 summit 

35:45 Marie Potel-Saville, Founder & CEO of Amurabi: Legal Innovation by Design

37:15 Three-prong research process for quantitative and qualitative research

42:00 Legal design defined as an approach to legal thinking and legal practice to promote access to justice

42:30 pioneer of legal design Margaret Hagen at Stanford Law School’s Legal Design Lab 

44:00 Legal design’s user-oriented research and user’s pain points

48:00 Cross-disciplinary advisory panel to address action points raised in Legal Lab Report 1

50:45 Serpentine’s affiliation with University College London

52:20 Serpentine’s future creation of a Model Code

54:20 Those interested in contributing can reach out via legallab@serpentinegalleries.org

54:50 Kushnir’s article The Legal Ambiguities of Art Collaborations and their Compatibility with NFTs

57:30 research of NFT platform’s website terms of use with GWA paralegal Mia Schaumann 

59:20 The Mars House controversy

1:04:30 Advice to those pursuing art law

1:06:05 Guest Club

1:09:00 Transparency in collecting

1:12:20 Turkish Artist Rafik Anadol’s Quantum Memories series 


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Glance at Culture - Paintings, Politics and the Monuments Men: Dr. Peter Bell on the Weisbaden Manifesto, Berlin Masterpieces and Provenance Research17 Sep 202100:47:20

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For more information about the Paintings, Politics and the Monuments Men exhibition, please visit the Cincinnati Art Museum's website.

Show Notes:

04:00 Inspiration for Paintings, Politics and the Monuments Men: The Berlin Masterpieces in America

05:15 How issues surrounding post-WWII exhibition of Berlin 202 are addressed

07:50 Prizes of war or protection mission for German patrimony per Truman Administration

11:30 Reasoning for Weisbaden Manifesto

12:00 “Art & Injustice”

15:30 Design process of the exhibition 

18:00 Legacy of Weisbaden Collecting Point Director Captain Walter Farmer

18:30 Red background inspired by Army tour’s exhibition catalog

19:30 Oskar Kokoshka painting in 1937 Degenerate Art Exhibition and sent to Lucerne auction

20:30 Botticelli’s Ideal Portrait of a Woman

21:45 Self-Portrait by Moravian painter Martin Quadal

22:15 Madonna and Child from Jacques Goudstikker’s collection

24:20 Reactions of visitors

26:15 Message of the exhibition 

28:50 why does it matter who takes care of artwork, where they travel and how they are used?

29:30 archival material in exhibition 

31:10 The Berlin Masterpieces catalog

33:00 the fundamental importance of provenance research 

35:25 Advice to those interested in a career as a provenance researcher and/or curator

37:20 ‘web of connections’ in art history

37:45 Book recommendation: Rape of Europa

39:15 Worcester Museum’s current exhibition as a case study on Nazi looted art

40:00 Symposium will include keynote speaker Dr. Richard Kurin, Under Secretary for History, Art, and Culture and Ambassador at large for the Smithsonian Institution


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Mosse Art Research Initiative: Dr. Meike Hoffmann on Provenance Research, International Cultural of Memory and Degenerate Artists12 Sep 202101:08:47

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Show Notes

4:00 German culture of memory

5:00 MARI-first collaboration between German public institutions and Holocaust victims

7:00 Historical question addressed about Rudolph Mosse as art lover

8:50 location of objects related to politicians and individuals in culture scene of Mosse’s day 

11:00 Hanns Fechner’s portrait of German writer Theodor Fontane held by daughter of Nazi finance Minister Hjalmar Schacht

16:00 Venus Chasing Cupid-sculpture localized during first phase of MARI

17:00 sculpture not included in Nazi arranged auction of Mosse collection

19:00 MARI contact with those believed to hold works from Mosse Collection

20:30 Tel Aviv Museum – tapastries and Jozef Israels’ From Darkness to Light

25:00 Historical justice achieved by making history visible  

26:00 MARI’s impact-to prompt scrutiny of provenance of collections

27:30 size of Mosse’s collection

28:30 MARI’s first phase began in early 2017

31:00 MARI’s staff assignment

34:00 Hoffmann’s work on Gurlitt project as researcher and task force member

35:00 portal database for MARI – starts with resources not objects

40:00 Hoffmann began first academic training program for provenance research in 2011

41:30 Adolph Menzel painting – no trace since 1934 auction

43:15 expertize outside of MARI for Eyptian antiquities and Benin Bronzes

46:30 Gurlitt work

50:00 Frie University’s degenerate art program

52:30 Hoffman’s work as Brücke Museum curator

54:40 International Circle of Provenance Research member

59:50 exhibitions that show provenance research

1:02:00 Artist Maria Eichhorn 

1:03:00 Hoffmann curated 2019 exhibition Escape Into Art? 

1:06:00 future of degenerate artists 


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Glance at Culture - The Last Cyclist: Naomi Patz on the Holocaust, Terezín Concentration Camp and Karel Švenk20 Aug 202100:54:04

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SHOW NOTES:

3:30 background in Holocaust studies

6:00 Jana Šedová’s essay referenced The Last Cyclist

9:00 Terezin March used in 1995 version of The Last Cyclist created by Patz

12:00 Svenk died in death march

14:00 title of The Last Cyclist rooted in bitter joke

16:30 Jana Šedová

21:00 The Last Cyclist underscored prisoners’ resilience and spiritual resistance 

24:00 Holocaust was a shaky topic under Communists 

27:30 The Lost Food Card

30:00 Verdi’s Requiem Mass brought to Terezin by Rafael Schächter

35:00 Emperor of Atlantis

36:45 Brundibar

39:00 Lullaby from The Last Cyclist survived but not in current version

40:45 4-part documentary is in process

42:45 The Last Cyclist is also a film 

45:30 Director Edward Einhorn

46:25 Terezin Music Foundation

47:30 Composer Stephen Feigenbaum

48:00 Artwork by Mark Podwal

48:45 The Last Cyclist’s ongoing relevance to address bigotry and bullying

49:40 justice facilitated by The Last Cyclist


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Vertigo Graffiti: Camilo Fidelo Lopez on Bogotá, Colombia, Public Murals and Social Justice15 Aug 202101:04:51

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Show Notes:

2:00 relationship with public space changes when art is placed in it

4:00 nature of graffiti; Vertigo blog’s proposal to leave graffiti in Bogotá’s transit system

10:00 focus of Vertigo’s graffiti on universal issues of tolerance, acceptance and diversity

15:00 ‘Kiss of the Invisibles’ mural

23:00 graffiti’s ability to help create empathy for others

25:30 reaction to public murals

31:00 advise to graffiti artists to doubt everything 

33:30 self-sensorship

39:00 ‘Shared Glance’ mural 

47:30 legal spaces for graffiti

52:00 Grandmother series

1:04:00 thoughts for those who doubt the importance of graffiti


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Glance at Culture - Defiant Requiem: Maestro Murry Sidlin on Terezín Concentration Camp, Verdi's Requiem, the Arts & Social Justice16 Jul 202101:24:13

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3:30 Maestro Murry Sidlin’s creation of  concert-drama Defiant Requiem: Verdi at Terezín 

6:00  Eizenstat’s contribution to formation of Defiant Requiem foundation

8:00 Rafael Schächter’s background and work before being interned at Terezín

10:40 Schächter’s decision to pack the Czech opera, Bedrich Smetana’s Bartered Bride

11:50 Schächter’s decision to pack Verdi’s Requiem Mass 

14:30 Terezín Commandants, including SS First Lieutenant Karl Rahm

16:45 Terezín became a hotbed of arts and humanities

19:00 Schächter taught Verdi’s Requiem Mass
to approximately 150 singers by rote

20:20 Edgar Krasa’s recollection of Schächter as “merciless” in rehearsals because they “could not afford for any minds to wander”

21:15 Verdi’s Requiem Mass was performed 16 times at Terezín

21:45 Edith Steiner Kraus’ recollection that the chorus led by Schächter in Terezín would make one proud “in any urban setting” and the singers were “so far inside the music that we’d returned to Verdi’s desk”

24:00 Edgar Krasa’s recollection about  controversy between  Jewish Council and Schächter over performing Verdi’s Requiem Mass

31:15 Jewish Council’s concern that Requiem Mass had Catholic origin

36:50 Sidlin’s one act “speculative history” drama  Mass Appeal 1943 based on Schächter’s meeting with Jewish Council

38:00 Schächter’s use of Verdi’s Requiem as an act of defiance and to uplift prisoners

39:30 Jewish Council’s censorship of Ullmann’s Der Kaiser von Atlantis and Kael Švenk’s The Last Cyclist

44:00 Performance of Defiant Requiem at Terezín 

48:30 composer Ilsa Weber at Terezín 

49:55 Inspiration for Foundation’s concert, Hours of Freedom: The Story of the Terezín Composer that includes work by composers such as Victor Ullmann, Pavel Haas, Gideon Klein, Hans Krasa, James Simon, Zikmund Schul, Rudolf Karel and others

54:00 Pianist and Composer James Simon’s background and work

56:15 Simon’s colleague Violinist Alma Rosé 

59:00 Pavel Haas and Karel Ančerl

1:00:20 Conductor Karel Ančerl 

1:01:30 Phillip Silver’s contribution to Hours of Freedom

1:04:10 Hours of Freedom arranged by chapters that include Longing, Hope, etc.

1:05:00 Composer, Conductor, Pianist, Singer Karel Berman created Terezín Suite that includes Auschwitz Corpse Factory 

1:06:20 10-minute memorial by Martinů

1:09:00 Maestro Sidlin’s challenge to a description of Ullmann as ‘finding his voice’ in Terezín and his thoughts on Ullmann’s critical essay that described his experience at Terezín 

1:13:45 cloud over many composers was their background training in the law

1:16:10 misconception that Gideon Klein learned to compose at Terezín

1:16:50 Strauss’ unsuccessful efforts to have daughter-in-law’s grandmother released from Terezín

1:20:00 Maes

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Fighting Artist Arthur Szyk: Szyk Expert Irvin Ungar on Social Justice, Historical Justice and the Artist's Role 11 Jul 202101:49:38

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SHOW NOTES:

3:00 Ungar’s introduction to Szyk

10:15 Byron Sherwin’s involvement with creating a solo show Justice Illuminated: The Art of Arthur Szyk in Chicago with the Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies 

15:25 2000 Library of Congress exhibition, Artist for Freedom

21:00 2002 U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum’s exhibition, The Art and Politics of Arthur Szyk

23:25 Biography of Szyk by Joseph Ansell entitled Arthur Szyk: Artist, Jew, Pole

25:20 Exhibitions in Poland

32:45 2008 Deutshes Historiches museum exhibition

42:00 2017 New York Historical Society exhibition Soldier In Art

50:50 Bergson Group

55:50 McCarthyism & Szyk’s Thomas Jefferson’s Oath: “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. 

1:07:15 2017 Ungar’s book Arthur Szyk: Soldier In Art won 2017 National Jewish Book Award

1:13:20 Wagner

1:22:30 Comparison of Chagall’s White Crucifixion, Picasso’s Guernica and Szyk’s De Profundis

1:30:25 Japanese Historian Rinjiro Sodei’s book illustrated with Szyk’s work, Representing Hirohito in Wartime: The Art of Arthur Szyk

1:44:45 Book in progress to list the thirty institutions that hold Szyk’s work

1:46:35 Ungar’s memoir, Reviving An Artist’s Fame: My Life With Arthur Szyk

1:48:00 Short documentaries about Szyk 


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Glance at Culture - Nelson-Atkins Museum's Provenance Specialist: MacKenzie Mallon on Nazi Looted Art, Restitution and Provenance Research18 Jun 202100:47:04

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4:15 How Discriminating Thieves exhibition came about

6:20 Title of Discriminating Thieves exhibition came from correspondence by Nelson-Atkins’ first director Paul Gardner

7:30 One of the four works in the exhibition: painting by German Expressionist Emil Nolde titled Masks 

8:50 Karl Buchholz held Masks for a decade until 1948 when he sent it to dealer Curt Valentin 

11:30 Nolde was a member of Nazi party but still targeted by Nazis

15:00 Pitfalls of researching women

18:00 Marguerite Stern’s ownership of Jean – Francois Ducis’ 1779 Bust of Augustin Pajou 

19:50 Pierre Bonnard’s Still life with Guelder Roses

21:30 Nicolas de Largillière’s Augustus the Strong – erroneously listed on property card as portrait of King Frederick of Denmark 

25:00 2019 Collecting and Provenance: A Multidisciplinary Approach by Jane Milosch, Nick Pearce

25:50 German-American Provenance Research Exchange with the Smithsonian Provenance Research Initiative and Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation was a “game changer”

35:35 Guest speaker for Discriminating Thieves Exhibition was Corine Wegener, Director of the Smithsonian Cultural Rescue Initiative

42:00 The process of provenance research is never finished as new resources become available 

44:30 Importance of research in museum setting by individuals with specialized knowledge

46:30 Cincinnati Art Museum’s exhibition Paintings, Politics and the Monuments Men: The Berlin Masterpieces in America

47:30 Nelson-Atkins’ first curator of European Art Patrick Kelleher was one of the signatories of the Weisbaden Manifesto


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Victoria and Albert Museum's Provenance and Spoliation Curator: Dr. Jacques Schuhmacher on Provenance Research, Art Restitution and the Role of Museums13 Jun 202101:07:58

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The following is a link for more information on the Victoria & Albert Museum's Concealed Histories Exhibit.

SHOW NOTES

 3:30 importance of provenance research regarding potential for Nazi-looted art in collections outside of countries that had been occupied by the Nazis

 7:35 provenance gaps in Gilbert Collection didn’t raise concerns when the Gilberts were acquiring the collection; 

 9:40 Nazi-looted art found in U.S. collections in the 1990s, making this an issue for the international art market 

 10:55 Unclear provenance of snuffbox from Gutmann Collection 

 15:50 massive red flags raised by some objects like the Louis XVI enameled gold snuffbox looted from Maximilian von Goldschmidt-Rothschild

18:30 Decisions about restitution of looted art are not made by UK museums but by a panel of experts

19:45 The only restitution to date by the V&A has been of Meissen pieces.

22:05 even after Monuments Men joined the museum, an unbroken chain in provenance was not necessary; acquisition protocol in the U.K. didn’t change until 1998

23:40 Deaccession laws in the UK under the Heritage Act were changed with the U.K.’s Holocaust Act 2009 

35:30 no claims for works in the Gilbert Collection

37:35 Victoria & Albert Musuem’s Concealed Histories. 

38:38 Magdala1868 exhibition of Ethiopian cultural objects inspired V&A’sConcealed Histories.

41:35 MacKenzie Mallon with the Nelson-Atkins Museum had put on the Discriminating Thieves exhibition, which was a huge inspiration for V&A’s Concealed Histories

 42:50 Provenance research into Nazi-looted art detached from other types of provenance research

 44:45 Ethiopian Embassy negotiations for return of objects looted during Colonial era

 45:00 Long-term loans used to return work that is subject to deaccession laws; example being long term loan of silver item stolen during church festival in Spain

46:45 In 1999, discovered that V&A had bought in 1950s a silver item without realizing it was stolen in the 1890s in Spain; object has been on long-term loan since 2005

48:25 Gilbert collection is on 100+ years long term loan

50:00 Museum Association guidelines for restitution claims being updated

 51:15 Virtual loans

52:49 Notion of digital restitution 

54:30 upcoming provenance research handbook for researchers in English-speaking countries 

57:30  idea of a mega-website arose from the 1998 Washington Conference to allow cross-referencing to identify objects

58:35 no replacement for archival research

1:01:50  provenance research  includes newly acquired objects, loaned objects and objects for which questions are raised

1:05:15 He studied history and did PhD in German/Allied war crimes then worked at London’s Commission for Looted Art

1:07:50 Student inquiries about provenance research welcome

 

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AI, Copyright and Justice - A Conversation with Copyright Lawyer Anja Neubauer02 Feb 202500:42:23

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1:30 background in the law and tech 

4:45 overview of global framework “AI and Authorship Redefined: Towards a Global Copyright Framework for Commerce and Human Originality - Exploring Ownership, Infringement, Moral Rights, and Human Originality”

12:35 question of authorship

19:35 moral rights

26:30 viability of global copyright 

28:20 issues of injustice raised by AI

34:30 German study about developers’ infringement

38:00 public’s choice to lock up data 

39:00 The Congress 



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Glance at Culture - The Holocaust in Modern Art: Professor Ziva Amishai-Maisels on Artists Picasso, Chagall, Rothko, Bacon and more21 May 202101:03:51

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3:55 Marc Chagall's Passion imagery led the way for other artists

8:00 Lea Grundig

9:30 Francis Bacon

12:20 Mark Rothko

15:15 Picasso

20:05 Robert Morris

22:55 Jean Fautrier

25:25 Naftali Bezem; Igael Tumarkin

27:35 Lea Grundig

32:25 Hans Grundig

32:50  Zoran Music

35:45 Artists in Terezin: Bedrich Fritta and Leo Hassin 

44:00 Sculptors Jacques Lipschitz and Leonard Baskin 

52:20 Artists not in Holocaust who integrated Holocaust iconography

55:45 Anselm Kiefer

56:55 Death Fugue by Holocaust survivor Paul Celan 

58:00 Kiefer’s Margarethe and Shulamith series


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Institute of Art & Law: Alexander Herman & Emily Gould on Restitution, the Holocaust, Copyright, NFTs and Benin Bronzes16 May 202101:14:06

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3:05 Alexander Herman discusses the Institute of Art and Law’s beginning in 1995

4:40 IAL founded by Norman Palmer and Ruth Redmond-Cooper 

5:15 IAL mission

7:15 Emily Gould discusses growth of art law

9:20 online courses 

10:05 Diploma in Art Profession Law and Ethics; next beginning online 5 June 2021

11:45 Diploma in Law and Collections Management 

12:15 Diploma in IP and Collections

13:25 Art as Security Seminar 

13:50 Restitution Dialogues

16:30 Blog 

16:50  Herman’s blog post on Copyright in America

18:10 Cariou v. Prince 

20:55 Marano v Metropolitan Museum of Art

23:00 Herman’s transformation of cover art from Supertramp’s 1979 album 

26:10  Gould's blog on Benin Bronzes

35:50 Museums and the Holocaust, Second Edition  

37:35  UK Holocaust Act

46:14 Topics covered in  Art Antiquity and Law Journal

51:05 Art, Business and Law LLM 

57:45 Conflicts and compliments of art and  law

1:00:45 NFTs

1:07:00 Smart contracts for NFTs

1:08:00 impact of art law and culture 

1:12:15 IAL speaks to justice by informing the public of the complexities within art law matters 


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Glance at Culture - Painter/Poet Marc Chagall14 May 202100:03:26

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Glance at Culture - The Rothko Chapel07 May 202100:03:13

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Glance at Culture - Cocktails with a Curator's Discussion of Lady Meux30 Apr 202100:03:51

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Glance at Culture - 2ND Saturday Art + Justice Online Gatherings Announcement23 Apr 202100:01:43

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Second Saturday Art + Justice is an offering from the non-profit Art Haus for Justice.


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Glance at Culture - Toyland16 Apr 202100:01:57

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Art Researcher Nathan Diament On the Legacy of Artist J.D. Kirszenbaum (1900-1954)11 Apr 202100:49:04

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Show Notes

04:30 Kirszenbaum’s work in Belgium after World War II

07:00 Israeli Museum Curator’s belief Kirszenbaum’s legacy should not die

07:40 Prof. Ziva Amishai-Maisels’ encouragement of Diament’s research

08:30 Art Loss Register and Kandinsky Library at Centre Pompidou 

09:15 600 of Kirszenbaum’s works burned during World War II

10:30 Baroness Alix de Rothschild’s assistance

11:20 Tel Aviv Museum’s works by Kirszenbaum

12:00 Dutch Artist Paul Lindgreen, a student of Kirszenbaum’s

12:20 Frans Hals Museum in Holland

13:50 Approximately 200 of Kirszenbaum’s works located

14:20 Israeli Exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work in 2013

16:30 Baroness Alix de Rothschild’s assistance

19:20 Book J.D. Kirszenbaum (1900-1954) The Lost Generation

21:00 Croatian exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work

22:00 Dutch Artist Paul Lindgreen, a student of Kirszenbaum’s

23:30 German exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work

24:00 French exhibition of Kirszenbaum’s work upcoming

25:00 Kirszenbaum’s works about the Messiah and the Prophets

26:00 Tel Aviv Museum; Kirszenbaum’s Self Portrait with Cubism

26:55 Kirszenbaum’s caricatures in Germany during the world wars

28:00 Kandinsky Library at the Pompidou Center 

30:00 Baroness Alix de Rothschild’s assistance

34:45 Influences of Kandisky and Klee

35:55 Horseman of the Apocalypse

36:20 Kirszenbaum’s emancipation 

37:00 Chagall’s life and sources similar to Kirszenbaum’s 

42:40 Felix Nussbaum and Royal Museum of Belgium’s letter about Nussbaum

44:40 S.S. St. Louis

46:40 Baroness Alix de Rothschild commission of Prophets Triptych (Elias, Jeremiah, Moses)

50:00 Diament’s membership with Yad Vashem’s Commission of the Just

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Glance at Culture - In Every Generation: Remaking The Szyk Haggadah09 Apr 202100:03:51

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Glance at Culture - Law 101 for Dealers in Art and Antiquities02 Apr 202100:02:21

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Art/Cultural Heritage/IP Law Attorney & Musician Leila Amineddoleh - a 2ND Saturday Conversation05 Jan 202501:08:35

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Show Notes:

1:00 Amineddoleh’s background and work in music and law

4:00 Patty Gerstenblith 

7:00 building Amineddoleh & Assoc.

8:45 Amineddoleh's work with Greece 

10:00 perspective as musician aids in work as attorney to other artists 

11:00 Amineddoleh's experience with plagiarism 

14:20 Amineddoleh’s practice

15:45 Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act

19:50 artists’ perspectives in hiring an attorney 

22:50 Jerry Alonzo: what brings artists to seek out Amineddoleh

26:00 return of golden coffin of Nedjemankh 

31:45 use of AI 

36:30 AI-assisted Beatles song 

37:45 analogy of photography to AI outputs

38:20 Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto 

39:45 suit over copyright of monkey selfie 

41:45 Thaler v. USCO 

44:30 Rupali Gujral: negotiating on a client’s behalf

48:30 Stefania Salles Bruins: history of art collecting

52:30 Bruins: Amineddoleh's balancing of legal and musical practices

54:00 Amineddoleh’s perspective on sharing her music and performing

56:30 Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2  played by Bugs Bunny 

57:20 Amineddoleh’s performance of Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3 

59:00 under-appreciated composer Brahms 

1:01:20 injustices in art law

1:04:30 Amineddoleh’s definition of justice - access

1:06:00 John Cage’s 4’33” 



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Glance at Culture - Nuremberg Prosecutor Benjamin Ferencz 26 Mar 202100:02:59

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Glance at Culture - The $50 Million Art Swindle19 Mar 202100:03:51

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Artists' Rights, Heirs' Rights, Human Rights & Animal Rights: An Overview with Barrister Alan Robertshaw15 Mar 202100:58:32

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03:20 Banksy lawsuits
04:20 Tradeamarks
10:50 NFTs
11:45 moral rights
14:40 artist's right to disassociate from a work
18:00 Charging Bull & Fearless Girl
19:25 5Pointz
26:15 Banksy NFT
27:00 Certificates of Authenticy from Pest Control Office
30:00 Banksy's The Drinker
34:00 animal selfies
35:30 Harvard lawsuit over daguerreotypes of slaves
53:00 Confederate statutes; British statue of Edward Colston
55:00 Guelph Treasure case


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Glance at Culture - Benin Bronzes 12 Mar 202100:02:34

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Glance at Culture - Ghosts of the Third Reich05 Mar 202100:04:03

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Glance at Culture - Guernica26 Feb 202100:03:25

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Glance at Culture - Fireflies in the Dark: The Story of Friedl Dicker-Brandeis and the Children of Terezin19 Feb 202100:04:17

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Mosse Art Restitution Project: Director of Investigations J. Eric Bartko On the Washington Principles and Restitution Efforts In Poland, Israel, Russia and the Netherlands15 Feb 202101:42:31

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Show Notes:

9:30 - Berlin art dealer Karl Haberstock
11:30 - Lepke and Union auctions
13:30 - Berliner Tageblatt
23:50 - Washington Principles
27:30 - Three Dancing Maidens fountain, Berg Schlitz
51:00 - German museums, Museum Island
1:02:00 - http://www.lostart.de
1:06:00 - https://www.mari-portal.de
1:11:00 - restitution of Winter or Skaters from Arkell Museum
1:15:00 - restitution efforts within Poland
1:17:00 - restitution efforts within Israel
1:21:00 - Germany's holding of Karl Blechen's Scholastica 
1:25:00 - restitution efforts within Russia 
1:31:00 - restitution efforts within Israel
1:40:00 - restitution efforts within the Netherlands


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Glance at Culture - Der Kaiser von Atlantis12 Feb 202100:03:25

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Glance at Culture - Phoenix05 Feb 202100:02:34

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Researcher, Writer & Advisor Frances Liddell on the Intersection of Emerging Tech, the Arts & Culture01 Dec 202400:53:45

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0:00 Frances Liddell on justice and technology
1:30 Liddell’s background
2:50 CryptoKitties
3:50 NFTs
5:20 ORAgen
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7:20 C2PA
8:15 tokenized rights
9:45 ORA use cases
10:30 themes from ORA interviews
12:15 YouTube as a supportive platform v. TikTok
13:00 smart contracts and licensing
15:00 perspectives on attribution
16:30 Emily Gould question on attribution
24:50 animation sector with stronger preference for attribution not open source
26:45 interviews revealed uncertainty on data scraping
29:50 lack of awareness about the environmental impact of blockchain
31:50 repatriation and blockchain and her work as associate research fellow with
Art & Antiquities Blockchain Consortium
34:50 Balot NFT - Balot sculpture in Virginia Museum of Fine Arts 
37:30 ORA project status
38:15 ORAgen Fables
39:00 recommendations for creatives: to review C2PA & Content Credentials
41:00 Gould: responses during interviews about copyright concerns 
45:30 location of individuals interviewed
47:20 impact of tech on issues of injustice - benefits/concerns surrounding decentralization 
50:40 current work with ORA
51:30 Oluwatobi Aluko

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Glance at Culture - Brundibár29 Jan 202100:04:03

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Glance at Culture - No Night So Dark One Family's Story of Memory Stolen and Regained22 Jan 202100:05:19

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Glance at Culture - the Hare with Amber Eyes15 Jan 202100:03:01

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