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Lisa is joined by April, a group coaching alum, as she discusses her journey of personal transformation, focusing on overcoming substance abuse and emotional eating, and the impact of emotional awareness in recovery programs. Her story emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and the influence of online content in personal growth.

Topics Include:

• Food and Body Issues
• Substance Abuse
• Recovery
• Emotional Awareness

[1:09] Lisa introduces April, a coaching graduate, and expresses excitement about sharing April’s journey. April shares her nervousness about the interview and her decision to approach it authentically without over-preparing. April introduces herself as a 58-year-old mother of three from Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and discusses her transition after her children left home.

[4:40] Lisa and April reflect on her childhood, noting that food issues weren’t apparent until later, but there were underlying dynamics related to food and money. April recalls learning about food as a reward or punishment during her childhood.

[9:01] April shares her self-perception as ‘big boned’ from childhood and how it evolved over time, particularly after having children and dealing with weight issues. Lisa and April discuss her childhood, including her parents’ young age, lack of attention, and the responsibilities she took on with raising her siblings, which contributed to her substance abuse starting at the age of 12. April reflects on her journey to sobriety at 25, and how a moment with her daughter prompted her to attend AA meetings.

[22:00] April describes her struggle with emotional eating as a coping mechanism for anxiety and stress, and her experiences with various diets over 30 years, often resulting in weight gain. 

[30:15] Lisa and April discuss the importance of recognizing the emotional component in programs, highlighting how it can be a transformative aspect for participants. Lisa mentions how social media algorithms can lead people to discover beneficial programs, as was the case with finding ‘Life With Kate’ on Instagram. April describes how following Lisa online provided significant insights and motivation, emphasizing the impact of online content on personal growth.

[39:54] Lisa explains the program’s structure, divided into three parts: understanding the problem, finding solutions, and maintaining progress. April shares her initial skepticism and eventual breakthroughs, emphasizing the importance of mindful eating and self-permission.

[46:05] April discusses significant personal realizations, such as not hating their body but disliking past actions. They highlight the importance of self-awareness, journaling, and reparenting themselves emotionally. Lisa uses Plato’s allegory of the cave to illustrate the transformative journey participants undergo, moving from ignorance to enlightenment and freedom.

[53:17] Lisa and April wrap up with the discussion of how April is incorporating the tools she learned to cope with the emotions of life and how she has created a sense of safety with them.  

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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025

In this episode, Lisa is joined by Gina, a mother of three and yoga instructor, who loves dogs and to cook, as they discuss the transformative power of yoga in personal and spiritual growth, emphasizing the importance of embracing discomfort, connecting mind and body, and nurturing one’s inner child for overall well-being.

Topics Include:

• Healing power of yoga
• Embracing Discomfort
• Importance of the Pause
• Self-Care

[1:35] Lisa begins with how yoga has been life-changing for her life, providing mental and physical challenges that promote personal growth. Lisa discusses her personal journey with being introduced to yoga and then becoming a yoga instructor. Lisa highlights the significance of a good yoga instructor, noting that Gina is exceptional in creating transformative experiences. Gina acknowledges that her teaching style may not be for everyone but is beneficial for those who embrace it. 

[8:21] Lisa and Gina discuss the value of discomfort in personal growth. Lisa shares how yoga challenges her ego, while Gina recounts overcoming her fear of public speaking, leading to growth as a yoga instructor.

[14:41] Gina shares her journey into yoga, starting from a suggestion to alleviate stomach pain, leading to a healthier lifestyle and a deeper spiritual connection. 

[22:49] Gina talks about her family dynamics, including her father’s influence as a recovering addict, which shaped her understanding of spirituality and personal growth. Gina discusses her spiritual growth influenced by her father’s recovery journey and yoga, emphasizing the idea of being a spiritual being having a human experience.

[38:53] Gina emphasizes the transformative power of taking a breath to gain perspective and manage daily stressors effectively. Lisa discusses how yoga helps in connecting the mind and body, aiding in recognizing stress responses and transitioning to stress relief.

[40:45] Lisa explains how emotional eating, whether through overeating or dieting, is a response to stress and disconnection from the body. Lisa highlights the physiological aspect of stress, explaining the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems’ roles and how breathing can shift between them.

[44:18] Gina shared a personal story about controlling food intake during stressful times, realizing it was unhealthy, and the importance of addressing underlying issues rather than seeking control through diet. Lisa and Gina discuss how yoga helped them connect with their bodies, emphasizing the transformative power of yoga in understanding and feeling emotions physically.

[1:02:13] Lisa and Gina talk about using yoga to build tolerance for discomfort, which helps in personal growth. They emphasized the importance of feeling safe while being uncomfortable to facilitate growth. Gina advised against perfectionism, suggesting a B-plus approach to tasks to encourage action and progress, sharing personal experiences of overcoming perfectionism.

[1:06:30] Lisa discusses the concept of going on autopilot to make beneficial choices, emphasizing that it is a way to honor oneself rather than neglect. Gina agrees, relating it to nurturing the inner child and making healthier choices. Gina talks about nurturing the inner child and allowing children to shine by supporting their interests. This is linked to personal healing and self-care as adults. Gina emphasizes that one can restart their day at any time, accepting human imperfections and making better choices without letting past decisions derail their life.

[1:12:26] Lisa and Gina close by discussing how to register for their in-person workshop, Let That Sh*t Go, being held on December 7, 2:00 - 4:00 PM at Merrick Hot Yoga Studio, and how to find Gina on Instagram: GinaMarieYogini and WhatsGinaMaking.

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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025

Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, Kristin. They discuss Kristin’s decision to share her story and her journey out of the cave. They discuss her early relationship with food, how the OOTC group has helped her family, and made her a better person for everyone in her life.

Topics Include:

• Food as Comfort
• Self-Sacrifice/Trying to Help Everyone Else
• Choosing to Love Yourself
• What it means to be OOTC as a family

[1:47] Kristin introduces herself, how she came to find Lisa and the OOTC community, and her gratitude for everything she has learned through the group coaching program. 

[3:58] Lisa and Kristin discuss Kristin’s decision to not do the podcast anonymously. Kristin shared that she was afraid of making anyone uncomfortable with what she was sharing but ultimately decided that showing up authentically was important and healing.

[7:05] Lisa and Kristin discuss Kristin’s experiences with food from ages 0 to 5. Kristin shared memories of using food, especially sugary foods, to feel better during uncomfortable times. 

[13:41] Lisa and Kristin examine how Kristin’s use of food for comfort affected her weight and health, particularly during puberty. Kristin reflects on her experiences and symptoms during puberty and linked them to her eating habits. She shares how cultural influences and lack of positive body image role models led to a constant feeling of needing to improve her body.

[26:29] Kristin shares how growing up with a sibling with special needs led to self-sacrificing behavior and desire to not add to parental stress led to turning to food for comfort. 

[41:24] Lisa asked how Kristin learned that the way you eat and exercise affects your body weight and image. Kristin shares that through health class she learned about energy input and output, societal influences like movies and magazines emphasizing body image, and personal experiences with friends and family reinforced these ideas. 

[43:33] Kristin talks about how her body was signaling health issues, but they were not addressed properly until much later, symptoms like irregular periods, acne, weight fluctuations, and constant sickness, which were masked by temporary solutions.

[50:37] Lisa and Kristin discuss how she started to address health from a holistic perspective, including mental and emotional well-being, influenced by personal relationships and professional guidance. 

[52:10] Lisa and Kristin talk about how the OOTC program provided the missing piece in Kristin’s health journey, allowing her to integrate and apply all the knowledge she had gained. Kristin shares how even with this knowledge there is a continuous effort required to maintain personal growth and the realization that there is no finish line in perfectionism and that her problems were literally never about the food.

[1:09:10] Lisa and Kristin talk about how the OOTC program has provided tools to help parents understand her children better, breaking historical traumas, and fostering healthier relationships with food for the whole family. Kristin shared how her husband also joined the program which has made him a better husband, dad, brother, son, and friend.

[1:16:07] Kristin shares how by choosing to like herself has led to healthier choices around food and effortlessly losing weight.

[1:21:30] Lisa and Kristin wrap up with how the OOTC program is life-changing, making it a worthwhile investment. Kristin expressed gratitude for the program’s role in helping her focus on core issues, thereby improving her life so much.

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Lisa continues the conversation from the last episode and how our internal relationships with ourselves impact our physical relationship with food and our bodies.

Topics Include:

• The consequences of dieting and turning food into numbers
• Homeostatic Hunger (Physical Hunger) vs Hedonic Hunger (Emotional Hunger)
• What to do when we want to eat and know we are not physically hungry
• Changing our behaviors around food from a place of love rather than fear
• Standing in power and choice around food, eating, and body image

[2:30] A review of Ellyn Satter’s, Division of Responsibility and bringing back humanity around food

[14:00] Integrating and adapting the concept of Division Responsibility with ourselves and our own feelings and behaviors around food and the simple question we should be asking

[36:00] Reparenting our inner child around the purpose of food and addressing emotional issues and feelings with emotional solutions and using food for physical hunger, fuel, and nutrition (for the most part)

[49:30] Tips and suggestions for how to practice this on a very real tangible dimension

[1:09] This week’s “homework”

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Lisa provides information on the “how-to” in moving forward in mind-body alignment, so food, eating, and body-image take up much less time and mental space in your heart and mind.

Topics Include:

• The inner-child and inner-parent both getting their needs met in alignment
• The power of authenticity and honesty in healing our relationship to food, eating, and body-image
• Detangling ourselves from the emotional uses of food and finding emotional solutions to emotional issues
• The Division of Responsibility

[4:30] The self-objectification and neglect of the inner child when dieting

[11:45] Our primal connection to food and eating and it’s link to safety and survival and why we can’t coax, bribe, or trick ourselves into an inauthentic relationship with feeding ourselves

[16:15] How we can change our relationship to food and intuitively seek out nutritious foods in an authentic way

[22:00] The harmful impact of using (especially hyper-palatable) food as a reward or comfort

[35:30] Lisa defines “The Division of Responsibility,” a framework, by dietician, Ellyn Satter, for families to establish a healthy association to food and eating in children and how we can apply it to feeding ourselves

[1:02] Lisa previews next week's episode and gives the listener some action items for your consideration as you prepare for part 2 of this conversation

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Lisa sits down with Judy, Maternal Child Nurse and Board Certified Lactation Consultant to talk about what we can learn from the relationship between mother and baby to heal the relationship between our own inner child and inner parent when it comes to food and eating.

Topics Include:

• The unselfconscious drive to eat and fully living our body
• Moving from a power struggle to a dance
• The “On the Job” training of being a first time parent
• Child and parent BOTH getting their needs met
• Boundaries
• Our body as a tool

[1:30] Judy explains her 30 year career as a Maternal Child Nurse, Board Certified Lactation Consultant and her role in helping women be empowered in their choices

[7:00] The relationship between newborn and mother in the earliest moments of feeding and eating and the diad built between them

[14:00] Judy shares what she believes are the biggest lessons of parenthood

[23:00] What we’ve learned about feeding newborn in recent history, and the mistakes we’ve made in disrupting their own hunger and fullness cues before they are even 6 months old

[30:00] The “On the Job” training of being a first time parent and how mother’s were never meant to go it alone

[36:00] Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs and how babies live at the bottom where their basic needs are needing to be met, and all the way at the top we have self-actualization

[45:00] The holy grail of attachment and attunement

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Lisa chats with Emily G, former one-on-one coaching client about the hardship and pain caused by growing up in a bigger body, the dangerous road diet culture took her down, and how her concept of what a transformation or “before  and after” looks like has changed so drastically after coming out of the cave. Topics Include: Growing up the fat friend The consequences of bottling emotions TMS, Chronic Pain, and IBS Getting help and going to therapy Radical acceptance Creating a mental space of safety with an abundance mindset [3:00] Emily tells story about growing up in a bigger body as a child and teen and what that meant for her friendships, being bullied, playing team sports, shopping, diet, body image, and her relationship her mom and to herself [28:00] Dieting for the first time in highschool and how that impacted her relationship to food well after the diet ended [35:00] Emily talks about her college experience and how going to the gym to manage anxiety got her addicted to weight loss, and how the body image and food issues were exacerbated by moving into her sorority house, and how things came to a head during her semester abroad [47:00] Emily seeks out therapy because her relationship with food is causing anxiety and eventually supplements the good work she was doing in therapy with coaching with Lisa for a mind-body approach [1:06:00] Emily shares her biggest takeaways from being an Out of the Cave coaching client, including exercising from a place of self-love rather than fear, and going back to basics with eating, and talks about how her relationship to food, eating, and body image are different today Register Early Bird - Group Coaching and Save $500 All of March - Reserve Your Spot for the May 2022 Cohort https://www.outofthecave.health/work-with-me Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly https://www.outofthecave.health/membership EMail Lisa - We welcome questions, comments and feedback lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 https://www.outofthecave.health/shop Socials Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/outofthecavellc YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/lees325/videos

Lisa continues to discuss what it means to live balanced in terms of doing versus being, right brain and left brain, and thinking versus feeling, when it comes to our bodies and how we feed ourselves in regards to nutrition.

Topics Include:

• Getting in touch with what works for you when it comes to nourishment
• The lack of moral value in food versus the nutritional and emotional value
• Adding in and crowding out
• Eating healthy when it’s not about shame, aesthetic, or diet culture but to live the life we deserve
• Feeding yourself as means to treat yourself with respect
• Nutrition 101

[5:50] What does it really mean for a food to be healthy versus unhealthy, when we move away from the dichotomy of good versus bad food, while we expand our definition of health

[16:00] The concept of adding in and crowding out foods in order to work with our physiology and our psychology

[29:30] Going to human school, pretending you're an alien and learning how to take care of human body on Earth and how to survive in an “Earth suit”

[40:00] Moving into a health mindset and away from a diet culture/weight mindset and what that looks like when grocery shopping and choosing foods, considering the source of our food, and how to begin to look at a food label, and identify real food

[1:10] Living in a state of abundance and safety rather than restriction and fear

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Lisa discusses what it means to live balanced in terms of doing versus being, right brain and left brain, and thinking versus feeling, when it comes to our bodies and how we feed ourselves

Topics Include:

• The behaviors of the True self vs False Self
• Doing versus being
• Living in the Wise Mind
• Diet Culture Trends vs Bio-Individuality and Nutrition

[4:00] Aiming for balance with: doing and being, right and left brain, and thinking and feeling

[17:00] Doing and being in terms of food, eating, and body image

[23:00] Being intuitive with our bodies, both emotionally and physically, how to feel our feelings versus thinking about our feelings, and staying present with our body’s sensations and how this helps heal our relationship with food

[30:00] Moving from living in your brain to living in your brain and your body and why some struggle around the concept of intuitive eating

[41:00] Why we are moving away from “Good Food” vs “Bad Food” Dichotomy

[44:00] Being a “scientist” around food and eating

[46:30] The concept of bio-individuality, and how it must be at the root of nutrition

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Lisa talks to her right hand woman, Out of the Cave’s very first employee, Alé Cardinalle, MSW, about her own personal story around food, eating, and body image, as well as her journey from diet culture, to anti-diet culture, and ultimately to Out of the Cave, and Lisa.

Topics Include:

• Childhood trauma and eating behaviors
• Trending beauty standards
• Disordered eating behaviors
• Releasing shame through knowledge
• Anti-diet industry and the intuitive eating movement
• Self-Compassion and Self-Discipline

[5:15] Alé talks about her awareness and sort of obsessive thoughts around body size and image  began

[8:35] How the early 2000s beauty standards led Alé to dangerous  restrictive  behaviors

[12:15] Alé goes to inpatient treatment for PTSD and major depression and loses a significant amount of weight and for fear of gaining it back asked to be prescribed adderall

[21:15]  After major weight loss, followed by major weight gain, Alé finds intuitive eating and when that wasn’t quite the  fix she hoped for, Lisa fell into her life while they were both Master of Social Work Students at NYU

[32:15] Alé goes into detail about her personal experience with the anti-diet movement

[44:15] What spirituality means to Alé, and how learning to trust herself and tell the truth have been integral components to her healing journey around food, eating, and body image

Connect with Alé

Email: ale.wildheartcollective@gmail.com

Website: wildheartcollective.us

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