Presented by Convince & Convert, Social Pros is one of the longest-running marketing podcasts in existence! Focused on the nexus of social media and other marketing disciplines, we bring you interviews and commentary from companies including Google, Reddit, Uber, Oracle, and many more to understand how social media impacts brand marketing, content marketing, reputation management, public relations, paid media, and much more.
After more than a decade, Social Pros is still the one podcast that brings listeners inside the minds of marketing leaders making real impact. Join us as we dive behind-the-scenes and share actionable marketing strategies that you can immediately implement.
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Tech Trends, Toddlers, & Tribalism with Chris Hackney
Episode 672
Friday, July 25, 2025 • Duration 35:45
What does it take to turn social media into a serious business driver for B2B companies? Chris Hackney, Chief Product Officer at Meltwater, joins the show to unpack how his team connects social engagement to pipeline and revenue. In this episode, we dive into Meltwater's approach to content strategy, channel differentiation, and analytics that prove impact across the funnel. Chris also shares how his team structures workflows, leverages influencer voices, and balances brand personality with professionalism in a global enterprise.
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Chris joins hosts Zontee Hou and Jennifer Harmon on this episode of Social Pros to share how Meltwater's social media strategy drives real business outcomes, especially in the B2B space. He breaks down how the team maps social content to different stages of the funnel, tailors messaging by channel, and uses data to prove the impact of social on both awareness and pipeline. Chris discusses how Meltwater's global team balances centralized governance with regional execution, and how they tap into employee voices and influencer partnerships to expand reach and relevance.
Chris also shares lessons from recent initiatives like their Meltwater Champions program, and explains why social media teams should think more like editorial hubs than traditional marketing arms. Chris reflects on the rise of AI in social workflows—calling it "in its toddler phase"—and urges marketers to stay curious as the tools mature. He also shares his take on where social apps are headed next, predicting even deeper tribalism and fragmentation across platforms. All that and more on an all-new episode of Social Pros!
In This Episode:
1:50 - Protecting your brand and earn back trust in the face of disinformation
6:02 - Opportunities for AI in marketing and communications
10:56 - Chris's advice for success in human team members meeting AI technology
14:41 - How to connect one-to-one when platforms are constantly changing
17:51 - How Chris manages which platforms to invest time, energy, and money into
20:12 - Using tools like media intelligence to stay on top of trends
22:34 - Producing a framework to keep on top of the things you need to know, and how to empower your team to react in real time
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Challenging the Status Quo in Social Strategy with Jermaine Peguese
Episode 671
Friday, July 11, 2025 • Duration 44:10
How do you build a higher education brand that feels personal, relevant, and rooted in real-world value? Jermaine Peguese, Owner and Lead Strategist of EJST Marketing, shares how his team taps into authentic storytelling, community conversations, and industry voices to connect with today's learners. From launching content series like Next Pulse at Nexford University to shaping market strategies with startup agility, Jermaine shows how higher ed marketers can think big, take risks and challenge the status quo.
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Jermaine joins host Zontee Hou on this episode of Social Pros to explore how marketing in higher education can be reimagined by leaning into authenticity, community, and social influence. Jermaine and Zontee discuss how today's students aren't just looking for facts, they're also looking for real voices they trust and want to see themselves in the stories being shared. Whether it's through expert-led content like Nexford's Next Pulse series or conversations in online forums, Jermaine shows how the most powerful messages come from relatable, human experiences.
He also shares how his time at Uber shaped his fast-moving, test-and-learn mindset, and why marketers should stay open to bold ideas— even late in the quarter. When entering new markets, Jermaine emphasizes the value of doing the groundwork: understanding your audience, and building a smart media mix that puts your message in the right places. It's not about being perfect; it's about being real, being thoughtful, and being ready to take a few smart risks, because that's where breakthrough moments happen.
In This Episode:
1:55 - Disrupting the traditional space of higher ed marketing
6:27 - Building a unique brand voice in the higher ed space
8:45 - How Jermaine's team has catered to non-traditional learners
11:51 - How to identify core customers
15:39 - How Jermaine thinks about data collection and customer research as an ongoing practice
18:52 - Using AI in the traditionally AI-adverse higher ed space, and how AI can help marketers in this moment
Wags, Whiskers, and Cause-Based Wins with Virginia Chavez + Bonus Interview with Jenny Force
Episode 670
Friday, June 27, 2025 • Duration 57:04
How do you turn a nonprofit's mission into a heartwarming and impactful social media experience that resonates and inspires action? Virginia Chavez, Content Manager at PetSmart Charities, joins the show to share how her team uses authentic storytelling to inspire and build community around pet adoption. She explains how they tailor content by platform, foster meaningful engagement, and prioritize stories that reflect their values. Virginia also emphasizes the power of collaboration, showing how relying on your team can turn big, ambitious ideas into impactful, resonant content. This episode also features a bonus interview with Jenny Force, Global VP of Demand Generation at Meltwater, who speaks with Zontee about their recent Meltwater Summit.
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Virginia joins host Jennifer Harmon on this episode of Social Pros to share how her team at PetSmart Charities uses storytelling to spotlight their mission of keeping people and pets together. She dives into the creative strategy behind their "11 millionth adoption" campaign—framed like a reality dating show—and how it was tailored differently for each major social media platform. Virginia also explains how collaboration, pre-planning, and staying true to the brand's authentic voice help their content resonate across audiences. She and Jennfier discuss the importance of bringing others into the creative process early, and relying on your team for feedback, support, and ideas that make the work stronger. It's an inspiring look at how social teams can turn mission-driven content into powerful, heartwarming stories that drive real-world impact!
Then, host Zontee Hou sits down with Jenny Force, Global VP of Demand Generation at Meltwater, to discuss key takeaways from the 2025 Meltwater Summit. She shares the top trends shaping marketing and PR today—including AI, agility, brand authenticity, influencers, and misinformation—and explains how brands can stay ahead by using data, embracing collaboration, and leaning into strategic experimentation.
In This Episode:
3:21 - PetSmart Charities and their mission
5:46 - Virignia's role as Content Manager
Your AI Maturity Check with Andy Crestodina of Orbit Media Studios
Episode 669
Friday, June 13, 2025 • Duration 39:21
How can marketers harness AI to improve their strategy while also staying irreplaceably human? Andy Crestodina, co-founder and CMO of Orbit Media Studios, joins the show to explore the real-world applications (and limitations) of AI in content marketing. From using AI for gap analysis and persona development to identifying the skills machines can't replicate, Andy shares actionable advice for marketers at every level of AI maturity.
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Andy joins hosts Zontee Hou and Jason Keath on this episode of Social Pros to chat about how marketers can level up their skills and stay competitive in the fast-evolving world of AI. He shares tactical insights on prompt libraries, custom GPTs, and why automation is the next frontier for marketers looking to work smarter and faster. Andy also explains why peer-to-peer conversations and informal mastermind groups are critical for learning in this space, and are often more impactful than staying glued to industry news. Andy also dives into creativity in the AI era and reflects on how to use AI not for perfection, but as a springboard for bolder, more human ideas.
Perhaps most importantly, Andy challenges marketers to take ownership of their growth, warning against waiting for organizational change and encouraging listeners to build their own intellectual property through tools like custom GPTs. You won't want to miss this all-new episode that's a must-listen for anyone navigating the evolving intersection of technology, creativity, and career security.
In This Episode:
1:47 - AI maturity for marketers and why it's important
5:32 - Knowing the AI proficiency of your team members
8:33 - Using AI to understand our audience better
12:50 - Andy's examples of gap analysis for content creation
15:15 - What AI isn't good at, and why it's important to know the limitations
20:10 - How to improve your SEO by creating content that AI can't
24:43 - How to build and leverage your prompt libraries to get ahead
28:21 - Which FAQs Andy receives are worth asking, and which aren't
From Bland to Bold B2B Content with Joel Harrison
Episode 668
Friday, May 30, 2025 • Duration 29:29
How do B2B marketers build genuine trust across the customer journey? Joel Harrison, Founder of B2B Marketing, shares how leading brands are using thought leadership, influencer partnerships, and creative audio to stand out. From award-winning campaigns to vibrant professional communities like Propolis, Joel offers insights that challenge traditional B2B norms. Tune in for a conversation that redefines what it means to connect in the B2B space!
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Joel joins hosts Zontee Hou and Jason Keath on this episode of Social Pros to explore how B2B marketers can embrace creativity, take smart risks, and reclaim the power of brand. He explains why the industry is shifting toward long-term brand building and trust as key drivers of growth. Joel also shares why bravery is now one of the most valuable qualities for B2B marketers, and how storytelling and strategic thinking are making a strong comeback.
Joel, Zontee and Jason also dive into the growing role of influencers in B2B, the power and resonance of audio content to build emotional connections, and how the best campaigns often come from clear-minded boldness. Joel also reveals how the most effective marketers today are balancing performance with purpose—and even weighs in on which B2C tactics don't translate to B2B.
In This Episode:
1:48 - The anti-corporate creativity trend
2:26 - Favorite examples of creative anti-corporate campaigns
3:51 - Is there a clear line of going too far with this kind of work?
6:25 - How brands can do better at standing out creatively
8:09 - How organizations can wade into this influencer space by building trust and to coming off authentically
10:08 - How to successfully cultivate thought leadership internally
13:27 - Thought leadership as part of full funnel marketing
15:33 - Why engagement and conversion respond so well to creative content
16:07 - Tactics to get creative campaigns approved by CFOs, CMOs
18:20 - Upcoming trends in the awards submissions space
19:37 - What B2B can learn from B2C
The ROl of Authenticity with Joseph Perello, CEO of Props
Episode 667
Friday, May 16, 2025 • Duration 31:01
How do you combine the power of creator marketing with performance-driven results? Joseph Perello, CEO of Props, shares how his platform helps brands create content that's not only authentic but also measurable and effective. From emphasizing credibility to redefining how success is tracked in the creator economy, Joe -- who's also worked with such high-level clients as David Bowie, AAA, and the New York Yankees -- offers insights into making influencer partnerships truly impactful.
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Joseph joins host Hannah Tooker on this episode of Social Pros to explore how the creator economy is redefining influencer marketing and what brands need to do to adapt. Joe breaks down the key differences between creators and traditional influencers, highlighting the pitfalls of the outdated "follower fallacy" and the importance of pairing creator content with paid media to drive measurable results. He also shares how Props is helping brands and creators build trust at scale using AI-powered tools that ensure creator authenticity, compliance, and brand safety.
Joe also reflects on the evolution of viral marketing, the reality of sustaining attention online, and why consistent, data-driven content is more valuable than chasing fleeting hits. Plus, he offers practical advice for aspiring social pros on blending analytical insight with creative instinct to craft effective campaigns. And in a memorable moment, Joe shares his dream video call pick and the heartfelt story behind it. All that and more on an all-new episode of Social Pros!
In This Episode:
1:41 - Joe's career so far and how Props works
6:33 - How Props uses storytelling as its marketing foundation
12:00 - Thinking about creators differently than influencers and how Props measures success
14:17 - Client success stories, from AAA to College Ave
18:04 - The biggest pitfalls in influencer marketing
20:58 - Where Joes sees creator-driven marketing heading next
25:43 - Joe's advice for aspiring social pros
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Intellectual Property, AI, and Influencers: Decoding the Legal Implications of Marketing in 2025 with Ruth Carter from Geek Law Firm
Episode 666
Friday, May 2, 2025 • Duration 37:53
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How can marketers stay creative while steering clear of legal landmines? Ruth Carter (they/them), attorney, writer, and speaker at Geek Law Firm, joins Social Pros to unravel the legal implications of today's hottest marketing trends—from AI-generated content to brand collaborations. In this episode, Ruth shares practical guidance on navigating intellectual property, distinguishing between copyright and trademark, and staying compliant without sacrificing innovation. Whether you're experimenting with UGC or working with creators, this conversation is packed with essential legal insights for every marketer.
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Ruth joins hosts Zontee Hou and Sunny Hunt on this episode of Social Pros to unpack the complex legal landscape marketers must navigate in today's ever-evolving industry. Ruth dives into how marketers and content creators should think about intellectual property, contracts, and copyright issues, especially when AI tools are involved in generating content. They explain why contracts should explicitly address AI use, the importance of transparency in data handling, and how marketers can avoid common legal pitfalls when working with third parties. Ruth also emphasizes the need for proactive data governance, especially in regulated industries, and encourages brands to build collaborative relationships with legal teams from the start — not just as a final approval step. Throughout the episode, they offer clear, actionable advice with their signature wit (jokingly referring to themself as a "professional killjoy") and deliver one of the most practical tips yet for anyone in a service-based business.
In This Episode:
2:29 - What marketers need to know about protecting IP, and the differences between trademarks and copyright
5:50 - The specific criteria needed in order to trademark
8:34 - Leveraging the IP of others for your own purposes without getting into legal trouble
12:05 - What marketers should have in place in preperation for others to license their content
13:24 - Common mistakes and how people get themselves into trouble with legal
Does Email Marketing Still Matter? Lessons in Humanizing Data and Building Trust with Robbie Fitzwater
Episode 665
Friday, April 18, 2025 • Duration 44:50
Is email marketing a thing of the past, or should it still be a key part of your marketing strategy? To coincide with the launch of C&C's new newsletter, The Trendline, on this episode we welcome Robbie Fitzwater, founder of digital agency MKTG Rhythm. Robbie shares his deep insights into how email and one-to-one communication remain the backbone of any successful digital marketing strategy. Robbie also talks about how to "out-human" big competition by blending creativity with technology, and highlights the value of segmentation and personalizing messaging for different customer segments, and also discusses why his team doesn't hire anyone without AI experience in today's world.
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Robbie joins hosts Zontee Hou and Jason Keath on this episode of Social Pros to dive into the ever-evolving world of email marketing, segmentation, and content creation. He shares how brands can use AI and personalization to deliver highly relevant and engaging experiences for different customer segments, while balancing automation with a human touch. Robbie discusses how MKTG Rhythm leverages AI for content creation, from crafting tailored email sequences to generating creative designs for campaigns. He also explains the importance of understanding customer behavior across multiple channels, maximizing content reach, and driving conversions with data-driven strategies. Robbie highlights that while they can't outscale the giants in their space, they can out-human them, bringing a unique, personal touch to their marketing efforts. All that and more on this new episode of Social Pros!
In This Episode:
2:01 - The value of email newsletters and how they're evolving
4:41 - How frequent email newsletters should go out
7:19 - Creating newsletters with thought leaders and unique voices vs. a larger brand, and how to choose which one is right
12:45 - How Robbie guides his clients on the importance of email in their overall marketing plan
15:55 - Robbie's advice on collecting and leveraging customer data through email
19:52 - The importance of SMS and combining it with email
21:45 - Specifics on how to get that additional data and building the consumer profile
TikTok Tips and Creator Partnership Lessons with Geisha Garcia from U. of Miami
Episode 664
Friday, April 4, 2025 • Duration 40:22
How can universities harness the power of social media to elevate their institution, engage students, and build lasting communities on and off campus? Geisha Garcia, Executive Director of Social Media at the University of Miami, knows the impact of strategic content, influencer partnerships, and community-driven storytelling. In this episode, we dive into how Geisha's team creates authentic, high-performing content, fosters collaboration with students, and integrates social media into broader institutional initiatives. From student creator programs to major brand activations, Geisha shares how social teams can claim their seat at the table and drive meaningful engagement.
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Geisha Garcia joins host Jason Keath on this episode of Social Pros to share how the University of Miami is redefining higher ed social media through authenticity, collaboration, and strategic content creation. She dives into the impact of student creator programs, how her team balances institutional messaging with relatable social-first content, and why engagement is just as important as content itself.
With brand activations playing a bigger role on campus, Geisha explains how social teams can proactively integrate into broader marketing initiatives—rather than reacting after the fact. She also breaks down the power of influencer partnerships, why micro-influencers often outperform big names, and how community management on TikTok is a game-changer.
Geisha also shares how her team stays ahead by fostering collaboration, testing formats like carousels, and pushing for social's seat at the table—ensuring it remains a strategic force within the institution.
Stay tuned after Geisha's interview for a conversation with Jason, Zontee and Sunny about Convince & Convert's new newsletter, The Trend Line.
In This Episode:
1:55 - UMiami's social partnerships with other universities
7:15 - Successes and lessons learned from UMiami's TikTok account
8:31 - UMiami's new student creator program and how it operates
23:59 - Tapping into communities, social groups and others influencing prospective students
29:22 - Lessons from Uber, and what higher ed can learn from the startup world
31:48 - Solving problems when moving into a new marketing space
37:16 - Jermaine's advice for aspiring social pros
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