The Special Lists – Détails, épisodes et analyse

Beyond clinical skill, running a successful dental practice requires clear vision, strong systems, and the right people.

Periodontist and MAZ Management co-founder Dr. Justin Zalewsky shares the leadership principles that guide his approach, including organizing life into three buckets — work, thinking, and personal time — and using tools like impact filters to keep projects and teams aligned. 

He explains how core values and structure shape hiring, promotions, and day-to-day decision-making.

Justin also addresses the challenges of hiring associates, emphasizing mentorship, clear expectations, and structured onboarding. 

GUEST

Justin Zalewsky, DMD
President & Co-founder, MAZ Management

Justin is a board-certified periodontist who has practiced in the Washington, D.C. metro area for more than 15 years. Seven years ago, he co-founded MAZ and began expanding through strategic acquisitions, building a network that now includes three periodontal practices and four general dental offices. Today he leads an organization of more than 80 team members and 15 doctors, supported by a centralized management team that allows him to remain an active clinician while guiding the company’s growth. His leadership focuses on developing strong teams, placing people in roles where they can thrive, and building practices that deliver exceptional patient care.

Learn more about MAZ Management

Learn more about Alexandria periodontist Dr. Justin Zalewsky

Connect with Justin on LinkedIn

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.

Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience. 

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction. 

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University.

More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

What does it really take to build a dental practice that’s future-proof and not just profitable?

Through relentless investment in safety, leadership, and education, oral and maxillofacial surgeon Dr. David Lee Hill shaped Chapel Hill Oral Surgery into what it is today. 

From rebuilding his entire facility to meet AAAHC standards, to adopting a dual-provider anesthesia model, to embracing dynamic navigation technology, doing things the hard way early paid off later.

Hear why delayed gratification beats shortcuts, how mentorship and continuing education shaped his career, and why having the right leadership team matters more than any single piece of technology. 

Listen for his takes on anesthesia models, surgical planning, culture, and why perseverance—not perfection—is often the real differentiator between practices that stall and those that thrive.

GUEST

David Lee Hill, JR., DDS
CEO, OMS Chapel Hill Oral Surgery

Dr. Hill is a Diplomate of the American Board of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery, a member of the American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons, the International Congress of Oral Implantologists, the Academy of Osseointegration, the International Team for Implantology, North Carolina State Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons, North Carolina State Dental Association, the American Dental Association, and the American Association of Dental Research.
Dr. Hill is an active sportsman, a deep sea fisherman, a cyclist, and an enthusiastic UNC Tar Heel fan. He enjoys spending time with his family, his wife, Olivia, and his son Rémy Oliver (5y/o) and daughter Violette (1.5y/o).

Learn more about Chapel Hill Oral Surgery

Follow Dr. Hill’s practice on Instagram @chapelhilloralsurgery

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.
Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience. 

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction. 

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University.

More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

Dr. Jason Stoner built his career with equal parts vision, grit, and style—often quite literally. From a single practice in Columbus, Ohio, he’s grown to eight locations, achieved financial independence by 48, and earned a reputation as one of dentistry’s boldest innovators.

Dr. Stoner shares how reverse engineering guides both his business and his life, why teamwork is the ultimate growth strategy, and how true success comes from prioritizing patient care over production. 

He breaks down how he empowers his team, builds trust through referrals, and integrates specialists and hygienists to deliver seamless, high-quality care.

With humor, humility, and practical wisdom, Dr. Stoner reflects on the mentors, friends, and mindset shifts that shaped his path, and why doing things differently (and doing them well) is still the best formula for lasting success.

GUEST

Jason Stoner, DDS
Periodontist at Stoner Periodontic and Implant Specialists & Clinical President, Periodontology and Dental Implantology at Gen4 Dental Partners

With over 22 years in private practice, Dr. Jason Stoner is passionate about dentistry’s blend of business, leadership, and patient care. He values strong core values, academic excellence, and a thriving team culture.

Learn more about Columbus periodontist Dr. Jason Stoner

Follow Stoner Periodontic Specialists on Instagram @stonerperiodonticspecialists

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.
Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience. 

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction. 

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University.

More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

Dr. Chris Catalano started early, mopping floors at veneer courses and absorbing everything. Working alongside some of cosmetic dentistry’s biggest names, he learned through failure and built a practice patients rave about today.

Reflecting on what it means to be a “safe beginner,” Dr. Catalano’s special list includes lessons from a practice collapse that reshaped his vision, and why vision boards, mentorship, and resilience matter as much as technical skill. 

For Dr. Catalano, dentistry is about more than veneers and esthetics—it’s about building raving fans like you would in any great business, leaning on your community, and remembering human connection will take you farther than textbooks ever will.

GUEST

Chris Catalano, DDS
Cosmetic Dentist, Owner of Chris Catalano Cosmetic Dentistry

Dr. Chris Catalano was born and raised in Marin County, where he now practices cosmetic dentistry. He graduated from the University of the Pacific Arthur A. Dugoni School of Dentistry in 1991 and immediately dove into continuing education in cosmetic dentistry, learning from some of the field’s top leaders. Over time, he began giving back by teaching in hands-on veneer programs. He also held a unique associate position with Dr. David Hornbrook, a pioneer in cosmetic dental education, which allowed him to travel and learn extensively under his mentorship.

Learn more about Kentfield cosmetic dentist Dr. Chris Catalano

Follow Dr. Catalano on Instagram @drchriscatalano

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.

Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience. 

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction. 

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University.

More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

Dr. Mitch Godat never planned on becoming a dentist, but a life-changing accident at 14 set him on a path to periodontics and dental implants. He looks back on his career, from joining Dr. P.D. Miller’s practice to learning why mentorship and community matter just as much as clinical skill.

Learn about the value of mastermind groups where peers share challenges, swap strategies, and lean on one another when practice ownership feels heavy. Hear how post-COVID dynamics have shifted the way teams connect, why structured meetings and core values keep a practice grounded, and how celebrating patient milestones can boost both morale and referrals.

For Dr. Godat, success in dentistry comes down to people. Mentorship is a responsibility to pass on, mastermind groups keep professionals inspired, and genuine care keeps patients coming back. In a world where AI is on the rise, he argues that human connection will always be the competitive edge.

GUEST

Mitchel Godat, DDS
Partner, SGA Dental Partners and President, Periodontal Associates of Memphis

After a traumatic accident at 14 left him with multiple injuries, including extensive broken bones and dental trauma, Dr. Godat knew he wanted to help heal people. With this in mind, he dedicated himself to the study and practice of periodontics and dental implants to help restore healthy smiles to patients. In 2000, he joined Periodontal Associates of Memphis, the office of The Father of Periodontal Plastic Surgery Dr. P.D. Miller.

Learn more about Memphis periodontist Dr. Mitch Godat

Follow Dr. Godat on Instagram @mitch_godat_dds_ms

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.
Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. 

More about San Rafael periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

Dr. Rob Ritter has spent decades proving that dentistry is so much more than drilling and filling. It’s leadership, branding, and running a small business that actually thrives.

Since the early ’90s, he’s watched the profession change and has built a career on mastering his craft, protecting his brand, and never lowering his standards. His course, The Protocol, bridges the gap between what dental school teaches and what the real world demands.

He’s blunt about the challenges facing today’s dentists—student debt, insurance headaches, and the steep learning curve of business ownership—and why mentorship is the key to growth.
Dr. Ritter breaks down why strong GP-specialist communication drives better patient outcomes, why branding is about every touchpoint (not just your logo), and why a cohesive, empowered team is your best business asset.

For him, excellence means blending clinical skill with business savvy and protecting your reputation at all costs, because your name is your brand, and that’s the one thing you can’t get back.

GUEST

Rob Ritter, DMD
Dentist & Co-Owner of The Protocol

For over 27 years, Dr. Rob Ritter has been a restorative dentist in Jupiter, Florida. He’s spent thousands of hours on continuing education, which has helped his practice flourish. For more than two decades, Dr. Ritter has also lectured nationally and internationally, sharing his expertise with other dentists. He's a graduate of both the Kois Center and Spear Education and holds fellowships and memberships in numerous prestigious dental organizations.

Learn more about The Protocol

Learn more about Ritter & Ramsey

Follow Dr. Rob Ritter on Instagram @drrobritter

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.
Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. 

More about San Rafael periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

Dr. Jennifer Doobrow knows leadership isn’t just a fancy title—it’s a lifelong grind of learning, serving, and owning your actions.

From running the playground in elementary school to shaping the future of dentistry in Alabama as president of the Alabama Dental Association, she’s dedicated herself to mentoring, facing challenges head-on, and keeping her ego in check.

She breaks down why transparency is the ultimate trust-builder in organized dentistry and why analytics, referrals, and ongoing education are the real game-changers for a practice.

For Dr. Doobrow, great leaders show up for their community, stay just uncomfortable enough to keep leveling up, and lead by example, because if you want your team to change, it starts with you.

GUEST

Jennifer Hirsch Doobrow, DMD
Owner and CEO of Periodontal and Implant Associates and President of Alabama Dental Association

Dr. Jennifer Hirsch Doobrow, a Board-Certified Periodontist, is the Owner and CEO of Periodontal and Implant Associates, Inc. located in Cullman, AL. She earned her DMD at the Medical University of South Carolina in 2007 and received her certification in Periodontics from the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB) in 2010. She serves as the President for the Alabama Dental Association (ALDA), Immediate Past-President for the Southern Academy of Periodontology (SAP) , Board of Trustee, American Academy of Periodontology, faculty member for the Pikos Institute.

Learn more about Alabama periodontist Dr. Jennifer Doobrow

Follow Dr. Doobrow’s practice on Instagram @cullmanperio

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.
Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. 

More about San Rafael periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

Dr. James Woodyard doesn’t believe in coasting.  After over two decades in practice, he still looks at everything with a “fresh eyes” approach, from hygiene exams to communicating risks without sugarcoating to help patients confidently make difficult decisions.

From the team training method inspired by his Boy Scouts leadership to his zero tolerance for gossip, his special list will help you rethink leadership, reset expectations, and align your team around clear, strategic goals.

For Dr. Woodyard, transparency builds trust, and that trust leads to better outcomes.

GUEST

James Woodyard, DMD
President Woodyard Periodontics and One of the Leaders of the Perio Division of Gen4 Dental Partners

Dr. James Woodyard is a board-certified periodontist in Newburgh, Indiana, specializing in periodontics and dental implants. He earned his DMD from the University of Kentucky and completed a residency and master’s in oral biology at the University of Louisville. 

A national lecturer and founder of the Select Study Club and Tumbleweed Mastermind Group, he’s active in multiple professional organizations and was honored with the 2023 Seattle Study Club Excellence in Leadership Award. Outside of dentistry, he’s a proud dad to two future Eagle Scouts, a Cubmaster, and a sporting clays champion.

Learn more about Newburgh periodontist Dr. James Woodyard

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.
Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. 

More about San Rafael periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

There’s no such thing as autopilot when it comes to running a dental practice. Every day brings new challenges, and there’s no such thing as a one-size-fits-all solution. 

Hosts Cameron Full, Dr. Michael Seda, and Dr. Jason Souyias bring their combined decades of failures and wins in the dental practice management world to help you problem solve and do what best fits your practice.

From hiring smarter to improving case acceptance, tracking the right data, and navigating the ups and downs of ownership, Cameron, Michael and Jason share their “special lists” of hard-earned lessons and honest advice to help you build a thriving practice.

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Learn more about Referral Lab, specialized practice referral software for dentists and dental specialists

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists.
Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game.

Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter.

This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today.

Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com 

Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io 

Cameron Full
Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries.

Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn

Jason Souyias, DDS
Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab

Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists.

More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias

Michael Seda, DMD, MS
Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab

A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.

Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  

He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  

His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. 

More about San Rafael periodontist Dr. Michael Seda

Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio

Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS
Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis
Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart
Engineering: Cameron Laird
Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang
Cover Art: Dan Childs

The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io 

Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experiences—changes the game. The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. 

Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you hard-earned wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their practices today.