Oxide and Friends – Details, episodes & analysis

With Amazon's return to office (RTO) mandate in the news, Bryan and Adam revisit the topic (it's been 2.5 years since last time!). Are in-office epiphanies real or is RTO fueled by nostalgia, fear... and finance? Stay tuned / we apologize for the exposition on in-office games.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, speakers included friend of the pod, Matt Amdur, and Chris.

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• Message from CEO Andy Jassy: Strengthening our culture and teams
• OxF: The Future of Work
• Amazon leadership principles
• Nathanael's blog: Building Big Systems with Remote Hardware Teams

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next show will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time on our Discord server; stay tuned to our Mastodon feeds for details, or subscribe to this calendar. We'd love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

With some time passed, Bryan and Adam offer a non-hot take on Paul Graham's "Founder Mode" post. While there is plenty to quibble over, there's also the kernel of an important idea: how to balance experience, novel thinking, and limited time? Also stay tuned as they share a years old "ego con".

Your hosts were Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal.

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• Paul Graham Founder Mode
• Bryan Reflecting on Founder Mode
• Tim O'Reilly How I Failed
• Camille Fournier Founder Create Managers
• Bryan Chesky interview we mention
• OxF: on Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing
• Seagull Management
• How to Castrate a Bull NOT AN ENDORSEMENT; DO NOT READ
• The ego con: Non-Stop Hitz

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next show will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time on our Discord server; stay tuned to our Mastodon feeds for details, or subscribe to this calendar. We'd love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Bryan and Adam were joined by The Changelog’s Adam Stacoviak for a … wide ranging conversation! Something for everyone—especially fans of HBO’s Silicon Valley!

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, we were joined by special guest Adam Stacoviak.

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:
Bryan on Changelog

• Changelog: 23 years of Ruby with Matz
• SWOT
• Bachmanity Insanity
• Straight outta Kubecon
• Breakmaster Cylinder
• Adam Stac on github
• Changelog Dance Party by BMC
• Computer History Museum: Oral Histories
• Bryan's talk on social audio

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next show will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time on our Discord server; stay tuned to our Mastodon feeds for details, or subscribe to this calendar. We'd love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Oxide and Friends Twitter Space: November 29th, 2021

The Sidecar Switch

We’ve been holding a Twitter Space weekly on Mondays at 5p for about an hour. Even though it’s not (yet?) a feature of Twitter Spaces, we have been recording them all; here is the recording for our Twitter Space for November 29th, 2021.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, our special guest was Arjen Roodselaar; other speakers on November 29th included Rick Altherr, Simeon Miteff, MattSci, Jason Ozolins, Thomas and Edwin Peer. (Did we miss your name and/or get it wrong? Drop a PR!)

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• [@3:04](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=184) Arjen’s announcement about the rack switch
• Cadence Allegro PCB editor
• [@11:35](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=695) Should we do our own switch? 
  • “We’re just going to tweak existing designs…”
• Intel Tofino 2 page
  • Barefoot Networks wiki
  • P4 language wiki
• [@24:07](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=1447) What makes this chip a beast?
• [@33:24](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=2004) Cable backplane, sleds
• [@37:11](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=2231) Sidecar
• [@38:52](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=2332) Management network (out of band) 
  • NC-SI network controller sideband interface wiki > Rick: A lot of the BMC style management functionality just > kinda got tacked on to PC systems.
• [@48:36](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=2916) SDN software-defined networking wiki
  • NCI National Computational Infrastructure (Australia) wiki
  • Network function virtualization wiki
• [@55:12](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=3312) The tofino simulator
• [@59:51](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=3591) Trust model, root of trust, service processor
• [@1:02:31](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=3751) Can the switch run independent of the PCIe host?
• [@1:08:35](https://youtu.be/yl24yHlLRy0?t=4115) The journey. The time scale of these signaling components. Heat sinks and practice boards
• Happy Hanukkah!

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next Twitter space will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time; stay tuned to our Twitter feeds for details. We’d love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Oxide and Friends Twitter Space: November 22nd, 2021

Talking Turkeys

We’ve been holding a Twitter Space weekly on Mondays at 5p for about an hour. Even though it’s not (yet?) a feature of Twitter Spaces, we have been recording them all; here is the recording for our Twitter Space for November 22nd, 2021.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, speakers on November 22nd included Rick Altherr, Ian, Simeon Miteff, MattSci, Nahum Shalman, Jason Ozolins, pgray, Bill Blum, Matt Ranney, Matt Campbell, FesterCluck, Rahul Saxena and Bartz the Man. (Did we miss your name and/or get it wrong? Drop a PR!)

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• [@4:26](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=266) Thanksgiving
• [@6:13](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=373) David Tolnay 
  • twitter and github
  • Projects 
    • Serde
    • Anyhow
    • thiserror
• London hip hop musician Loyle Carner
• [@8:16](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=496) Adam is thankful for: 
  • ANTLR parser generator
  • pest
    • usdt DTrace probes
• [@11:35](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=695) Bryan is thankful for: 
  • build.rs Rust build scripts
  • Saleae logic analyzers
• [@16:33](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=993) Ian: YubiKey
• [@19:09](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=1149) Matt Campbell: open source, Python accessibility Windows libraries from Chapel Hill
• [@23:52](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=1432) FesterCluck: Nodejs
• [@26:03](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=1563) Patrick: RabbitMQ
• [@28:19](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=1699) Nahum: WireGuard and Tailscale
• [@32:04](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=1924) Jason: truss by Roger Faulkner
• [@37:37](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=2257) Rahul: tldp.org Linux documentation
• [@42:11](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=2531) Simeon: sigrok, PulseView, Anyhow, thiserror
• [@44:35](https://github.com/dtolnay/thiserror) Adam: QMK, Magic Lantern by Trammell Hudson (twitter)
• [@47:36](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=2856) Matt: eBPF, (wiki)
• [@54:59](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=3299) MattSci: CUDA, Ethernet
  • GPS
  • John Bloom (2016) Eccentric Orbits book
  • Differential GPS
  • BeiDou Chinese satellites, GLONASS Russian satellites, and Galileo European Union satellites
• [@1:09:20](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=4160) Bartz: grep
• [@1:10:30](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=4230) Rick: Ghidra reverse engineering tool 
  • Interactive Disassembler IDA
• [@1:12:28](https://youtu.be/U10SuAHV8kQ?t=4348) Bill: Fastest Fourier Transform in the West FFTW, and gnuplot > I’m thankful that everywhere I look there’s always something that hits my > sense of wonder. That’s the thing I love about working in this industry.
• Adam appreciates spreadsheets as tools for analysis

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next Twitter space will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time; stay tuned to our Twitter feeds for details. We’d love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Oxide and Friends Twitter Space: November 15th, 2021

The Wrath of Kahn

We’ve been holding a Twitter Space weekly on Mondays at 5p for about an hour. Even though it’s not (yet?) a feature of Twitter Spaces, we have been recording them all; here is the recording for our Twitter Space for November 15th, 2021.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, speakers on November 15th included Dan Cross, Tom Lyon, Antranig Vartanian, Mat Trudel, Gabe Rudy, Simeon Miteff and bch. (Did we miss your name and/or get it wrong? Drop a PR!)

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• Severo Ornstein (2002) Computing in the Middle Ages: A View from the Trenches 1955-1983 book
  • TX-2 computer in 1958
  • LINC Laboratory INstrument Computer in 1962
  • Wesley Clark
  • IMP
• [@6:21](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=381) Quote on paternity of ARPANET and the Internet
• [@7:51](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=471) Bryan meets Knuth… briefly 
  • SOAP
• [@20:00](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=1200) Quote from oral history of Bob Taylor (2008)
• [@21:37](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=1297) Dan meets Knuth?
• [@25:23](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=1523) The lone inventor
• [@26:40](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=1600) The patent race with Alexander Graham Bell and Elisha Gray (wiki) 
  • “Inventor” of email
• [@30:49](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=1849) Fathering and parenting (pioneers and settlers)
• Any lone inventors?
• Credit where credit is due. Teams as more than the sum of the parts. 
  • Turing Awards
• [@35:49](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=2149) Science papers, teams
• [@37:14](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=2234) Andy van Dam (wiki) 
  • “Hypertext ’87 Keynote” address
  • “Reflections on a Half Century of Hypertext” (2019) ~100mins presentation
• Ron Minnich (On the Metal podcast)
• [@39:11](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=2351) Dennis Klatt and DECtalk
  • DECtalk DTC01 used a 68000 and a TI 32010 DSP; DECtalk DTC03 used a 80186 and the same TI 32010. mame
• Doug Engelbart (wiki)
• [@44:37](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=2677) Who’s going to lead the charge? 
  • Michael Stonebraker (wiki)
  • Seeing things through
• [@49:23](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=2963) bch: communications and crediting
• [@50:53](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=3053) DTrace, ZFS
• [@53:15](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=3195) Mat: The Dream Machine 
  • M. Mitchell Waldrop (2001) “The Dream Machine: JCR Licklider and the Revolution that Made Computing Personal” book
  • DARPA, private public research funding
• [@56:57](https://youtu.be/oft5i5RzIC8?t=3417) The hero narrative sells well

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next Twitter space will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time; stay tuned to our Twitter feeds for details. We’d love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Oxide and Friends Twitter Space: November 8th, 2021

Supercomputers, Cray, and How Sun Picked SGI’s Pocket

We’ve been holding a Twitter Space weekly on Mondays at 5p for about an hour. Even though it’s not (yet?) a feature of Twitter Spaces, we have been recording them all; here is the recording for our Twitter Space for November 8th, 2021.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, speakers on November 8th included Tom Lyon, Shahin Khan, Darryl Ramm, Dan Cross, Courtney Malone, MattSci, Aaron Goldman, Simeon Miteff, and Jason Ozolins. (Did we miss your name and/or get it wrong? Drop a PR!)

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• Bryan’s tweet about George Brown’s recommending “The Supermen”
• Charles Murray (1997) “The Supermen: The story of Seymour Cray and the Technical Wizards Behind the Supercomputer” book
• [@1:28](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=88) Tom’s story meeting Boris 
  • Tom’s tweet on meeting Boris Babayan
  • Elbrus computers
• [@9:27](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=567) Supercomputers and power
• [@15:16](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=916) Cray designs 
  • Engineering Research Associates wiki
  • Control Data Corporation wiki, CDC 1604
• [@20:36](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=1236) ETA Systems wiki
• [@23:57](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=1437) On to the next big thing 
  • Steve Chen
  • Cray X-MP
• [@29:37](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=1777) Super computers as one-offs 
  • National Computational Infrastructure in Australia, NCI
  • Gallium arsenide
  • GPGPU
• [@33:47](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=2027) Shahin on interconnects 
  • Jason on failure caused by a storm
  • Cray C90
• [@41:06](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=2466) Courtney on bespoke toolchains and systems
• [@42:42](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=2562) Influence of Cray on Sun 
  • 1996 Sun to purchase Cray Business Systems Division, hpcwire
  • Floating Point Systems Inc wiki > Shahin: SGI really had no use for this system. They should have just killed it.
• [@50:10](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=3010) Origin story of DTrace (2006 article) 
  • E10k
• [@56:14](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=3374) Thinking Machines Corp, wiki
• [@57:36](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=3456) Seymour Cray 
  • Les Davis “The ultimate team player” write up
  • 2010 Oral history of Les Davis pdf
• [@1:00:08](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=3608) Business Systems Division history, long road to Starfire
• [@1:04:20](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=3860) SGI and Sun early history 
  • Non-uniform memory access NUMA
• [@1:10:40](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=4240) Cray T3E
  • Massively parallel MPP
• [@1:12:33](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=4353) E10k stories 
  • boo.com wiki
• [@1:18:37](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=4717) Cray, spooks, pop count
• [@1:20:45](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=4845) Chen 
  • Cray X-MP and Y-MP
  • Sequent
• [@1:24:04](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=5044) An engineer sees his defunct machine being scrapped
• [@1:26:27](https://youtu.be/y07PyBrrzMw?t=5187) Jason’s story of capacitors popping off the board 
  • The Capacitor plague

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next Twitter space will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time; stay tuned to our Twitter feeds for details. We’d love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Oxide and Friends Twitter Space: November 1st, 2021

On Code Review

We’ve been holding a Twitter Space weekly on Mondays at 5p for about an hour. Even though it’s not (yet?) a feature of Twitter Spaces, we have been recording them all; here is the recording for our Twitter Space for November 1st, 2021.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, speakers on November 1st included Kendall Morgan, Edwin Peer, Ryan Zezeski, Ian, Joshua Hoeflich, ZK Miyavi, Jason Ozolins, Nick Sherron and Austin Wise. (Did we miss your name and/or get it wrong? Drop a PR!)

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• Context tweet
• Kendall Morgan (2021) “Thoughts on Code Review” essay
• [@3:57](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=237) Adam’s story, first code review at Sun
• [@6:32](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=392) Choosing a reviewer
• [@9:43](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=583) Unblocking others. Empathy in feedback. Asking questions, learning.
• [@15:43](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=943) Bryan reviewing Jeff Bonwick’s code at Sun 
  • Odd working hours
  • Screaming Red Chairs
• [@19:47](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=1187) In-person code review vs digitized. Tools
• [@24:29](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=1469) Not just finding bugs. Darin’s Law
• [@25:59](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=1559) Adam’s story around a bug in a big diff, tracepoints in the kernel
• [@32:28](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=1948) Adam’s favorite useless code review comment 
  • Marginally useful changes, what to do with multiple good alternatives
  • Matters of style and taste > Joe Kowalski: Is there a problem with this code, or is it not > implemented the way you would implement it?
• [@38:41](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=2321) Ian on tools. Different languages, mediums. loom for short video messages
• [@44:37](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=2677) Tools designed for specific tasks. 
  • Gerrit
  • Code review policies
• [@49:31](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=2971) Jason’s story about HPE project with SCSI bug. Patch submitted to kernel group
• [@54:59](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=3299) Bryan’s story about an n^3 algorithm in SCSI target code
• [@56:55](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=3415) Rust compiler, resource awareness, error paths 
  • Often more modular than C code
  • rust-analyzer, seeing inferred types
• [@1:01:15](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=3675) Joshua’s experience with in-person reviews, whiteboarding 
  • Working arm-in-arm with people
  • Sourcegraph Dev Tool Time videos
• [@1:05:21](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=3921) How do you scale quality code review in bigger teams? 
  • Culture of code review at a company
• [@1:07:15](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=4035) How to convince your team of the value of code review? 
  • Review can catch bugs
  • Cross team knowledge, bus factor
  • Speed in the short term vs speed in the long term
• [@1:14:39](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=4479) Ian on cultivating organizational review practices
• [@1:16:32](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=4592) Austin’s story on assuaging management fears around new practices 
  • Joshua: communication, writing, and accountability
  • What code don’t we review?
• Code review as quality check
• [@1:23:55](https://youtu.be/JZdXDyeSvtc?t=5035) Engineering product quality, not always obviously of benefit to the business 
  • Skipping code reviews to show quality consequences
• Adopting code review practices, incrementally

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next Twitter space will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time; stay tuned to our Twitter feeds for details. We’d love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Oxide and Friends Twitter Space: October 25th, 2021

Coder’s Block

We’ve been holding a Twitter Space weekly on Mondays at 5p for about an hour. Even though it’s not (yet?) a feature of Twitter Spaces, we have been recording them all; here is the recording for our Twitter Space for October 25th, 2021.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, speakers on October 25th included Brigid Gaffikin, Tom Lyon, MattSci, Simeon Miteff, Edwin Peer, Ian, Nima Johari, Matt Campbell, Joshua Hoeflich, Bill, Ariel Machado, and Kendall Morgan. (Did we miss your name and/or get it wrong? Drop a PR!)

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• BattleTris stories
• [@10:15](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=615) Writer’s block, flow (instigating tweet)
• National Novel Writing Month NaNoWriMo
• Flow wiki
• [@16:54](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=1014) “If you’re just problem solving, you can’t have writers block” 
  • Many degrees of freedom
  • Shiny new object
• [@20:39](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=1239) Remedies for writer’s block? 
  • Decide if you’re looking for tactics or strategy; is it small technical issues or not?
  • Tactics: Hone in on ‘the craft’ – work on the language
  • Strategy: Is this going to reach an audience/get an agent?
  • Write a scene from a different character’s PoV; write a vignette
  • This sounds like prototyping in software
  • If you’re stuck on debugging, write some debug infrastructure
• [@24:16](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=1456) Doing something else entirely 
  • Brigid: ceramics, sound walks
• [@27:43](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=1663) Not everything is burnout
• [@34:13](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=2053) Software analogies to writer’s techniques
• [@36:04](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=2164) Personal productivity obsession 
  • Writer Emergency Pack by John August, site
  • “You’ve got to get back to the coal face. You’ve got to finish it.”
• [@41:00](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=2460) Does Rust make this indecision worse? 
  • Pressure to find the “right” way
• [@43:56](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=2636) Arthur Whitney (wiki) > The best analog for software is poetry
• Pandemic life, collaboration and conferences
• [@51:51](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=3111) Hallway track. Software is collaborative but ultimately programming is a solitary act 
  • Nimo’s experience, it’s all collaborative. Code review, art
• [@59:36](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=3576) Cliff code reviews, how to do good reviews 
  • Lack of code reviewers for Rust at Google
• [@1:04:16](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=3856) Writer’s groups, different focuses
• [@1:08:04](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=4084) Grad school during pandemic, gather.town - video chat platform for virtual interactions
• [@1:11:54](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=4314) Goals, take the wins that you can, boundaries between work life and home life
• Kendall Morgan “Thoughts on Code Reviews” blog post
• [@1:17:38](https://youtu.be/QGs5hlH6cLk?t=4658) Bill’s experience switching things up, and enjoying computing again
• Wrap up tweet

If we got something wrong or missed something, please file a PR! Our next Twitter space will likely be on Monday at 5p Pacific Time; stay tuned to our Twitter feeds for details. We’d love to have you join us, as we always love to hear from new speakers!

Oxide and Friends Twitter Space: October 18th, 2021

Dijkstra’s Tweetstorm

We’ve been holding a Twitter Space weekly on Mondays at 5p for about an hour. Even though it’s not (yet?) a feature of Twitter Spaces, we have been recording them all; here is the recording for our Twitter Space for October 18th, 2021.

In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, speakers on October 18th included Edwin Peer, Dan Cross, Ryan Zezeski, Tom Lyon, Aaron Goldman, Simeon Miteff, MattSci, Nate, raycar5, night, and Drew Vogel. (Did we miss your name and/or get it wrong? Drop a PR!)

Some of the topics we hit on, in the order that we hit them:

• Dijkstra’s 1975 “How do we tell truths that might hurt?” EWD 498 tweet > PL/1 > belongs more to the problem set than to the solution set

The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offenceAPL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a new generation of coding bums - [@3:08](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=188) Languages affect the way you think It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. - [@4:33](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=273) Adam’s Perl story - The Camel Book, not to be confused with OCaml - “You needed books to learn how to do things” - CGI - [@9:04](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=544) Adam meets Larry Wall - [@11:59](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=719) Meeting Dennis Ritchie - “We were very excited; too excited some would say…” - [@15:04](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=904) Effects of learning languages, goals of a language, impediments to learning - Roger Hui of APL and J fame, RIP. - Accessible as a language value - Microsoft Pascal, Turbo Pascal - Scratch - LabVIEW - [@25:31](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=1531) Nate’s experience - Languages have different audiences - [@27:18](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=1638) Human languages - The Esperanto con-lang - Tonal langages - Learning new and different programming languages - [@37:06](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=2226) Adam’s early JavaScript (tweet) - <SCRIPT LANGUARE="JavaScript"> circa 1996 - [@44:10](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=2650) Learning from books, sitting down and learning by typing out examples - How do you learn to program in a language? - Zed Shaw on learning programming through spaced repetition blog - Rigid advice on how to learn - ALGOL 68, planned successor to ALGOL 60 - ALGOL 60, was, according to Tony Hoare, “An improvment on nearly all of its successors” - [@50:41](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=3041) Where does Rust belong in the progression of languages someone learns? Rust is what happens when you’ve got 25 years of experience with C++, and you remove most of the rough edges and make it safer? - “Everyone needs to learn enough C, to appreciate what it is and what it isn’t” - [@52:45](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=3165) “I wish I had learned Rust instead of C++” - [@53:35](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=3215) Adam: Brown revisits intro curriculum, teaching Scheme, ML, then Java - Adam learning Rust back in 2015 (tweet) “First Rust Program Pain (So you can avoid it…)” Tom: There’s a tension in learning between the people who hate magic and want to know how everything works in great detail, versus the people who just want to see something useful done. It’s hard to satisfy both. - [@1:00:02](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=3602) Bryan coming to Rust - “Learn Rust with entirely too many linked lists” guide - Rob Pike interview Its concurrency is rooted in CSP, but evolved through a series of languages done at Bell Labs in the 1980s and 1990s, such as Newsqueak, Alef, and Limbo. - [@1:03:01](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=3781) Debugging Erlang processes. Ryan on runtime v. language - Tuning runtimes. Go and Rust - [@1:06:42](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=4002) Rust is its own build system - Bryan’s 2018 “Falling in love with Rust” post - Lisp macros, Clean, Logo, Scratch - [@1:11:27](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=4287) The use of anthropomorphic terminology when dealing with computing systems is a symptom of professional immaturity. - [@1:12:09](https://youtu.be/D-Uzo7M-ioQ?t=4329) Oxide bringup updates - I2C Inter-Integrated Circuit - SPI Serial Peripheral Interface - iCE40

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