"Third Space" is a space where two or more people with differing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. In this podcast two lifelong friends, Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus, carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom features an exploration of how to talk with one another about significant, even controversial, issues with grace and humor. Occasionally Lamar & Tom will welcome guests to the show.
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S3E11 - Navigating Politics When in a Significant Minority Position with Senator Ethan Corson
Season 3 · Episode 11
Monday, May 26, 2025 • Duration 01:16:52
In this conversation, District 7 Kansas State Senator Ethan Corson discusses his background, career, and the importance of civil dialogue in politics. He shares insights on navigating a Republican supermajority in the Senate, the differences between federal and state politics, and the significance of communication and listening skills in legislative processes. Ethan Corson emphasizes the need for respectful conversations and the role of civil dialogue in preserving democracy, while also reflecting on his personal motivations for entering politics and the challenges faced in today's political climate.
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded May 7, 2025, using Riverside.fm from Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, May 26, 2025.
S3E10 States Rights vs Federal Rights
Season 3 · Episode 10
Monday, May 12, 2025 • Duration 56:11
The Constitution has been the guiding document for the United State of America for nearly 250 years. The documents cover a wide range of issues which make it possible for people in a large, diverse country to live peacefully and harmoniously, most of the time. One of the important topics it addresses is the issue of which powers are “reserved” for States and which powers are “enumerated” for Federal government. Of course, it is not always so clear. In this episode, Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus discuss the concept of states' rights, exploring its historical context, evolution, and current implications, particularly in relation to education. They examine the tension between federal and state powers, the role of the 10th Amendment, and the influence of federal policies on local education systems. The discussion highlights concerns over public funding and the quality of education, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to governance.
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Look for yourself:
S3E1 - Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 1
Season 3 · Episode 1
Monday, January 6, 2025 • Duration 37:34
What is your relationship with social media? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you avoid it? What if there are good reasons to love it, hate it, and avoid it - all at once? In this podcast Lamar and Tom are joined by their friend, colleague, and charity culture catalyst Ed Shrager from London. They each had the assignment of watching the Netflix documentary/docudrama “The Social Dilemma” that provides an inside look at social media through the perspective of the people who developed it in the past…but now question its value. In this two-part podcast they discuss the film and its relevance. In this Part 1 they do their best movie critic impersonations by reviewing and rating the film. In Part 2 they will do a deeper dive in their discussion of the film focusing what it gets right, what it gets wrong, and the most critical takeaways each had from the film.
It’s a wrap on Season 2 of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom and on 2024. In this episode Lamar and Tom talk about holiday traditions and foods and they discuss their favorite Christmas movies. They take a few minutes to reflect on what they’ve learned doing the podcast in 2024 and what they would like to do in the future. They wander briefly into politics to discuss the most recent Congressional budget debacle. Finally, they remember the contributions of Tony Campolo to their lives, a minister and sociologist who passed away on November 19th.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
S2E20 - Journalist Alex Bhattacharji
Season 2 · Episode 20
Monday, December 9, 2024 • Duration 01:21:20
Today Lamar and Tom welcome award winning journalist Alex Battacharji to Getting to 3rd Space. Alex is the author of ‘We Didn’t Know What Was Next. Nobody Tells You.’ on Inc.com published on December 2,2024. The article is about the mass shooting at Excel Industries eight years later. Excel is where Lamar was the head of human resources at the time of the shooting. Previously we have aired an interview with Lamar about his experience. As with those previous podcasts, we want to let people know that some of our discussion may include descriptions of violence. If this podcast is difficult for you to listen to, we invite you to skip ahead to parts of the conversation that are more comfortable for you.
Meet Alex Bhattachargi
Alex Bhattacharji is an award-winning journalist, editor, writer, and producer.
In two decades as an editor, Alex led and launched culture-shaping publications (such as Conde Nast’s Details), worked with some of America’s leading writers, championed new voices, and was recognized with the National Magazine Award for General Excellence.
As a writer, Alex has produced profiles, essays, and narrative features. His work has appeared in numerous publications, including Conde Nast Traveler, Details, Esquire, GQ, The Hollywood Reporter, Inc., InStyle, Los Angeles Magazine, The Los Angeles Times, Men’s Health, Men’s Journal, The New York Times, Rolling Stone, Town & Country, Travel + Leisure, Wired, and the Wall Street Journal Magazine.
In 2024, Alex co-founded Feather Well Productions, which develops narrative audio, print, and film projects that originate in the non-fiction space but have the potential to go far beyond.
A proud son of Flatbush, Alex followed the Dodgers’ path, leaving Brooklyn for Los Angeles’ East Side, where he resides with his wife and dog.
S2E19 - Donald Trump's Cabinet Picks and Our Thanksgiving Special
Season 2 · Episode 18
Monday, November 25, 2024 • Duration 55:29
During this past couple of weeks President-elect Donald Trump has been making nominations for his cabinet. In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom talk about a few of his nominations. Please note, though, that politics and news changes quickly and so did at least one of his nominees discussed in this podcast. By the time we posted this podcast to the internet about 4 days later, the nominee had withdrawn. That’s how things happen sometimes, and so we have to be prepared to swerve and then keep going. Also, this podcast is also a Thanksgiving Holiday Special for Lamar and Tom as they really talk turkey (with occasional bad puns). And, of course, they talk a bit of Hawkeye football and basketball.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
The 2024 Presidential Election is over. It’s been a long and eventful political season. In this episode Lamar and Tom discuss their thoughts on it.
About This Episode
They also talk about errant tumbleweeds, meteors (or possibly space junk), and upcoming podcasts.
Please note: In the last few minutes of the podcast, a software issue caused our images to "flip" (change places) on the screen. You are not imagining it and it is nothing to be concerned about. It did not impact the flow of the podcast. We just didn't want you to think you were seeing things.
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
S2E16 - We Are Back...Almost
Season 2 · Episode 16
Saturday, September 21, 2024 • Duration 24:15
Wow, life happens and sometimes it can be exciting even if it is disruptive. In our case it has been both exciting and disruptive, and we needed to suspend our podcast briefly but we are working our way back. We’ve recorded this brief podcast to catch you up on what has been happening. And, wow, have we missed a lot of stuff while we’ve been away.
We are taking a brief hiatus but we’ll be back sooner than you might imagine. Maybe even sooner than you had hoped!
Thanks for your patience and keep checking back here for the next podcast.
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Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. When we come back full time, we’ll also be on YouTube again but likely with a new address.
Meet Lamar & Tom
Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.
S2E15 - Quieting the Noise of this Political Season
Season 2 · Episode 15
Monday, August 5, 2024 • Duration 51:24
Whether we like it, love it, or hate it, we are now in the midst of a full-blown Presidential campaign. The news just keeps happening. After the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump, President Joe Biden decided to end his run for a second term. He endorsed his Vice President, Kamala Harris, and all political parties are now in full campaign mode. As a result, conversations about politics will be unavoidable for most of us. Though we try to avoid politics in our podcast, we are going to try something a bit different. We are going to talk about the issues in the campaign (not the personalities) and offer some suggestions for how you can have similar conversations on political topics. This week we are going to focus on how you can silence the noise being produced by the campaigns and become more clear about how you feel about the issues. The links below will take you to some websites where you can learn more about media bias and where you can do your own fact checking…without the noise, without the pundits.
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S2E14 - An Assassination Attempt and Turning Down the Temp
Season 2 · Episode 14
Monday, July 22, 2024 • Duration 54:57
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!
As we were preparing for our next podcast, former President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. One bullet grazed his right ear and bullets struck three people in the audience. One died and two others were seriously wounded. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about the escalation of violent rhetoric in the 2024 U.S. Presidential campaign and the need to turn down the temperature by choosing our words and language more carefully. They discuss four suggestions for making this campaign more civil in the wake of the Trump assassination attempt, offered by Luke Hallam in his Persuasion article titled How to Walk Back from the Brink - https://www.persuasion.community/p/how-to-walk-back-from-the-brink?r=5pobe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true
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Rachel Kleinfeld on the Attempted Assassination of Donald Trump and the Rise of Political Violence in America - https://yaschamounk.substack.com/p/kleinfeld2?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Democratic Party Platform: A draft of the 2024 platform was release on July 13, 2024 but will not be finalized until the DNC Convention in Chicago, August 19-24m 2024. You can read the current platform and follow updates to it here: https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/
Republican Party Platform for 2024: To find the RNC platform on its website, click on the following link then scroll to the middle of the page. Under “Our Platform,” click on the “Learn More” button on the red banner and this will open up a PDF version of the 2024 platform approved at the RNC July convention in Milwaukee: https://gop.com/about-our-party/
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space
Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b
Meet Lamar & Tom
Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI
Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
An interesting, and mostly 3rd Space, conversation between Jon Stewart and Bill O’Reilly on The Daily Show after the Trump assassination attempt. https://youtu.be/h7qZE4C_neo?si=a7ZjJTDAsevxBGeL
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space
Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b
Meet Lamar & Tom
Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI
Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
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