Discover ancient solutions for modern health challenges. Join Dr. Chris Motley, expert in Traditional Chinese Medicine, frequency medicine specialist, and dedicated healthcare practitioner, as he breaks down real-life health issues with insight and approachability. Each week, discover simple, effective tools and techniques to elevate your health journey and pursue a vibrant life. Tune in every Tuesday and Friday for an East-meets-West approach to nurturing mind, body, and spirit.
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Numbed out, checked out, scrolling through your day? At 19, Nashville family therapist Dr. Stacy Jagger hit a wall that landed her in a psychiatric hospital. She shares what pulled her back and why your childhood voids become your adult values. Plus: the “turn off, turn in, turn up” questions she uses with families, and the one free step anyone can take if therapy isn’t affordable.
Includes discussion of suicide and abuse; if you're struggling call 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: call or text 988. RAINN: 800-656-4673.
Chapters:
00:00 Numbed out and don't know it
00:35 Intro: Dr. Stacy Jagger, round two
03:12 Raising Sassy: the book that starts in a hospital
05:06 Hitting a wall at 19
07:19 Three small moments that saved her
09:41 Numbed out or revved up: the signs
14:20 Seven to nine hours of screens
16:03 Turn off, turn in, turn up
20:32 Your nervous system in plain English, and the window of SASS
24:15 Your childhood voids became your highest values
25:58 The feelings ball (Dr. Motley goes first)
29:02 Club Potty: dancing at 5 a.m.
30:59 Trauma as residue, and ketamine-assisted therapy
36:34 What are you going to do with your broken heart?
40:52 You are nature turned inside out
44:40 Can't afford therapy? One trusted friend
49:31 The hard way is the shortcut
52:42 Catalytic Family Therapy and where to find her
55:35 Disclaimer
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Why Do Your Allergies Get Worse Indoors?
Monday, October 26, 2026 • Duration 01:04:03
Why do allergies get worse indoors? JASPR founder Mike Feldstein, a former wildfire and mold remediation pro, explains what HEPA labels leave out and why airflow (CADR) matters more than filter efficiency. He also shares what household dust reveals about microplastics, and why he calls air fresheners the new secondhand smoke. Sponsored by JASPR. Use code MOTLEY.
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JASPR'S LAB STUDIES (third-party testing by LMS Labs, commissioned by JASPR) Microplastic-sized particle test (latex beads), March 2025: removed about 98.7% of particles 0.016–10 microns in 60 minutes in a 4,000 cu ft chamber. CADR: 276 CFM.
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Extra reading:
Do I Need to Worry About Airborne Microplastics? (TIME)
You’re Breathing Microplastics: Here’s What You Can Do About It (JASPR)
Chapters:
0:00 Why your allergies follow you inside
0:34 Sponsor note and intro: Mike Feldstein of JASPR
2:22 From wildfire and mold jobs to clean air
4:35 The smoke-damaged home that re-contaminated in a week
7:08 Why big-box purifiers couldn't keep up
8:55 COVID, dentists, and the nine-minute room
12:28 "HEPA is kind of..." what the label really means
14:59 Why HEPA catches the tiniest particles best
15:58 99% of $1 or 95% of $5: why airflow wins
17:08 The new filter, and the trees behind the carbon
23:40 What your air-quality light can't see
24:55 Microplastics: what your dust is telling you
31:30 Snoring, sleep divorce, and seasonal allergies
37:20 The 80/20: air, water, light
39:19 Your air freshener is the new secondhand smoke
42:14 Smell your food before you eat
45:33 A school built around clean air
55:54 The MOTLEY code and the 30-day guarantee
59:25 Lung chi and the wrap
1:02:02 Disclaimer
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Your Spouse Could Be Reinfecting You
Thursday, October 22, 2026 • Duration 26:02
Treated the infection and it came back? Look at your spouse and your house. Dr. Chris Motley talks with Drs. Michael and Noah Lebowitz about how fast mold grows after a leak, why humidity alone is enough, and why to replace your pillow. They also cover the questions to ask about when you got sick, Typhoid Mary and the carrier who feels fine, Leviticus on mold and a week of isolation, and Lyme in a 5,300-year-old mummy.
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00:00 Spouse or house
00:09 Welcome and disclosure
00:53 Can an emotion make you sick?
02:11 Light, color and a case from 30 years ago
04:42 Leviticus, tzaraat and a week alone
05:58 Mold after a water leak
06:48 Mold with no leak at all
07:42 Air tests, mold plates and ERMI
09:05 Spouse or house
09:38 Typhoid Mary and the carrier who feels fine
09:55 The 30-minute history
10:48 Your pillow and your mattress
12:43 Acne after the wedding
13:45 Red flags for Lyme
14:47 Lyme in a 5,300-year-old mummy
16:17 Salmon, tomatoes and a stiff hip
17:47 Lecturing in Korea
19:34 The bunk bed and the mattress
20:07 Where to find Drs. Lebowitz
23:01 Disclaimer
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Why Your Parasite Cleanse Makes You Feel Worse
Monday, October 19, 2026 • Duration 34:18
A 15-herb cleanse gives you only about 30 to 50 mg of each herb, and a lot of people feel worse on it. Dr. Chris Motley sits down with Drs. Michael and Noah Lebowitz to talk about total load, why chasing one infection misses the rest, the milk thistle mycotoxin problem, and what “other ingredients” on a label really means. They also cover what’s on your organic produce, including a 2026 Texas settlement with Sprouts.
Sources are in the show notes.
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00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse
00:41 Welcome
00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain
02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code
02:45 What is total load?
03:58 Your body is a soup
05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize
05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit
07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?
07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now
08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load
10:10 Organic cotton beach towels
10:58 When certified organic failed the tests
11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement
12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?
12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed
13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem
15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas
17:21 The capsule math
17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake
19:12 Muscle testing versus labs
19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies
20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?
21:12 Six brands of vitamin D
22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for
23:37 Read the other ingredients
24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"
25:21 Plant protein versus animal protein
26:02 Adventists, Okinawa and your ancestry
28:07 Is your mouth feeding the rest of your body?
29:24 Cavitations: rarely the life changer
29:46 Thyroid, infections and nightshades
31:15 Disclaimer
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00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse
00:41 Welcome
00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain
02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code
02:45 What is total load?
03:58 Your body is a soup
05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize
05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit
07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?
07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now
08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load
10:10 Organic cotton beach towels
10:58 When certified organic failed the tests
11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement
12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?
12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed
13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem
15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas
17:21 The capsule math
17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake
19:12 Muscle testing versus labs
19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies
20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?
21:12 Six brands of vitamin D
22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for
23:37 Read the other ingredients
24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"
25:21 Plant protein versus animal protein
26:02 Adventists, Okinawa and your ancestry
28:07 Is your mouth feeding the rest of your body?
29:24 Cavitations: rarely the life changer
29:46 Thyroid, infections and nightshades
31:15 Disclaimer
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Your Vertigo Might Not Be Ménière's
Thursday, October 15, 2026 • Duration 35:37
Spinning attacks, a full ear, a roar you can’t shut off: that’s the classic Ménière’s picture. But a migraine that never causes a headache can mimic it almost exactly. Dr. Chris Motley explains the one test that tells them apart (the audiogram), why every Ménière’s treatment seems to work (in the biggest drug trial, the placebo group got better too), what Chinese medicine wrote about the spinning room 1,800 years ago, and four steps to take before anyone treats your ear. Sources are in the show notes. Educational only, not medical advice.
0:00 The spinning room: is it really Ménière's?
1:03 Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast
1:16 What a definite Ménière's diagnosis requires
3:00 Vestibular migraine: the condition that mimics it
4:05 The one test that tells them apart: the audiogram
4:32 Why the right label matters before treating the ear
6:53 Why every treatment seems to work
7:56 The betahistine trial: the placebo group got better too
10:00 A crack in the fluid-pressure theory
11:20 What happens when Ménière's comes into my office
12:24 A patient story: vertigo, tinnitus, and afternoon fatigue
13:50 The kidney meridian and the 3 to 5 p.m. window
15:35 Tongue, pulse, and EAV testing
18:20 The urinalysis and the audiologist's results
21:03 Chinese medicine, the spleen, kidneys, and fluid
23:15 Supporting the spleen, kidneys, and lymph
24:58 Homeopathic remedies for vertigo
26:52 Herbs for the kidneys: uva ursi and chanca piedra
27:55 Supplements for the spleen
30:06 Four steps to take this week
31:32 Closing thoughts
32:34 Disclaimer
Supplements Dr. Motley recommends:
SPLEEN
Spleeno-Lyph by Nutri-West
Spleen PMG by Standard Process: https://us.fullscript.com/welcome/doctormotley/signup
Albizia Supreme by Supreme Nutrition: https://shop.supremenutritionproducts.com/?aff=28
KIDNEY
Uva Ursi by Supreme Nutrition: https://shop.supremenutritionproducts.com/?aff=28
Body Guard by Supreme Nutrition: https://shop.supremenutritionproducts.com/?aff=28
Cranberry
UT Vibrance
Homeopathics that help with vertigo:
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Professional Formulas "Vertigo Syncope": https://professionalformulas.com/patientcode/?doctorname=Christopher&doctor_code=GXN776D
Vertigoheel
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The common four herbs that help with vertigo:
Cocculus
Conium
Theridion
Ambra
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Is Mold in Your House Making You Sick?
Wednesday, October 14, 2026 • Duration 33:38
The viral fungus numbers are real: about 7,300 deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations a year, per the CDC. But those figures count fungal infections, not the mold behind your shower. Dr. Chris Motley explains what damp buildings probably do to health (asthma, wheeze, cough, respiratory infections), why a urine mycotoxin test can't tell you if your home is making you sick, how Chinese Medicine describes "dampness," and the step that matters most: find the water.
Sources below. Educational only, not medical advice.
Mold Testing:
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Tight Jaw, Tight Hips? Where Your Body Holds Stress
Monday, October 12, 2026 • Duration 56:10
Tight jaw, shoulders up by your ears, waking at 3 a.m.? Somatic movement teacher Liz Tenuto, author of When the Body Speaks, joins Dr. Chris Motley to explore where the body holds stress, why she favors tiny, lazy movements over force, why animals shake it off, and how to recognize when you’re still bracing. Dr. Motley adds the Chinese Medicine perspective on the jaw and waking at 3 a.m.
Sources and corrections are included in the show notes.
Content note: This episode discusses trauma, emotional healing, and the mind-body connection. Take care while listening, and feel free to pause or skip around if you need to.
Educational only, not medical advice.
Chapters:
00:00 Cold open: where your body holds stress
00:44 Welcome: Liz Tenuto, somatic movement teacher
02:45 Ten years without sleep, and everything she tried
03:51 "People rolling around on the floor in their pajamas"
04:47 Inside a somatic class: the laziest movements possible
05:52 From workhorse to gentle, and what surfaced
07:06 A dancer, disconnected from her emotional body
08:45 Does the body remember?
11:55 Dance, EMDR, and life before The Body Keeps the Score
13:23 Is fascia a highway for emotion?
15:00 Shoulders at her ears, and the saran wrap picture
16:58 Tiny lazy movements and new pathways
18:30 Calm, wired, or shut down: the "Goldilocks" state
19:41 Why people keep going back to the chiropractor
20:46 Calm takes reps
22:09 How your body learns tension
25:02 Can a stuck joint slow your lymph?
26:17 Dr. Motley's method: meridians, muscles, and the liver
30:17 An old basketball injury and three months of brain fog
33:10 How Liz starts with a new client
34:41 Why animals shake it off
38:04 Where your body holds stress: hips, shoulders, neck, jaw
39:48 Jaw tension, TMJ, and the Gallbladder channel
41:17 How long does it take?
42:29 Why forcing a release backfires
44:37 Why Dr. Motley tells patients a year
45:31 Signs you're storing stress
46:40 3 a.m., your lungs, and the Chinese medicine clock
47:35 What letting go feels like
49:24 Where to find Liz
50:50 Closing thoughts
52:09 Disclaimer
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Tired and Losing Hair? Check Your Ferritin
Thursday, October 8, 2026 • Duration 45:46
Tired, losing hair, and told your labs are “normal”? Endocrinologist Dr. Cassie Smith explains the new 2026 American Society of Hematology ferritin thresholds, why your thyroid needs iron, the pregnancy thyroid rule every woman on thyroid medication should know, the gut signs you may be ignoring, and her honest take on GLP-1 drugs. With Dr. Chris Motley.
00:00 Dr. Cassie Smith is back
01:08 Graves' disease in med school, at 130 beats a minute
02:38 "Normal" labs, and the fertility questions you sent in
03:33 Why fertility starts in the gut, and PCOS gets a new name
04:30 What birth control does to your gut bacteria
06:21 Thyroid, nutrients, and early miscarriage
07:07 Why your TSH drops when you get pregnant
08:13 On thyroid medicine? The nine-dose rule
09:07 Which probiotic? The Akkermansia gap
10:58 After a miscarriage: the labs to ask for
13:02 Thinning hair and the new ferritin guidelines
14:58 A tongue and pulse read, and a ferritin result
17:24 Gut warning signs: bloating, reflux, gas
18:38 Acne, rashes, and swollen joints
19:57 Depression and anxiety after a baby
20:39 Can you inherit a bad gut?
21:56 Glutamine, butyrate, and the scab rule
24:42 Fiber, and the free fixes nobody can sell you
26:34 Gluten, Roundup, and your thyroid
28:53 GLP-1s: an endocrinologist's honest take
30:42 Insulin as traffic cop
32:27 Why kids stop eating when they're full
33:15 Using GLP-1s right: protein, water, weights, then stop
34:32 Where to find Dr. Smith
35:11 An endocrinologist who wants to learn acupuncture
37:50 Teeth, meridians, and infertility
39:38 Closing thoughts
41:28 Disclaimer
Sources are included in the show notes. Educational only - not medical advice.
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Could Your Anxiety Be Lyme in the Brain?
Thursday, October 1, 2026 • Duration 01:01:04
Dr. Eboni Cornish, MD, of Amen Clinics and ILADS, returns for a third conversation, live in Nashville. She and Dr. Chris Motley talk about Lyme and other tick-borne infections in the brain: anxiety and depression, kids labeled ADHD, puberty flares, mold and memory, and why she calms the brain before treating anything. Plus her best question: when did your symptoms start, and where were you? Sources in the show notes. Educational only, not medical advice.
00:00 Depression, anxiety, and a Lyme test
00:39 Welcome: Dr. Eboni Cornish, live in Nashville
02:20 From bored family doctor to Lyme practice
04:13 How Lyme gets into the brain
06:12 What a Lyme brain looks like on a SPECT scan
08:02 The limbic loop: calm the brain
10:21 Is neurology catching up?
12:30 Floaters, light sensitivity, and trouble reading
14:05 Tinnitus and sound sensitivity
15:08 Can kids have Lyme? Pregnancy and newborns
17:48 Why puberty can trigger a flare
20:12 ADHD, PANS, and a gentler approach for kids
23:32 Food, kids, and the one-food trade
25:56 Sudden anger in children
27:23 Joint pain and injuries that won't heal
28:57 Teeth, gums, and cavitations
31:09 Babesia and your red blood cells
32:34 MTHFR, explained
35:11 Swollen lymph nodes and lymphatic drainage
36:47 Memory loss, mold, and dementia risk
39:42 Where were you when your symptoms started?
41:31 Gratitude and the brain
43:59 How your gut shapes your mood
46:09 Her morning routine
48:19 Saunas, baths, and cold water
50:38 Belly breathing for kids
51:11 Her fall speaking tour
54:14 Where to find Dr. Cornish
55:34 Wrap-up
57:01 Disclaimer
Key Takeaways:
Tick-borne illness can show up in the brain. Lyme can reach the nervous system. If you have neurological symptoms and you are not getting better, Dr. Cornish says to put tick-borne disease on the list (5:16).
Calm the brain before you push treatment. Her patients who react to everything are often stuck in fight or flight, a "limbic loop" (9:37). She starts by calming the nervous system.
Kids get labeled. Many of her pediatric patients arrive diagnosed with ADHD or "being bad" (20:50). A sudden change in a child, over days rather than months, is worth asking your pediatrician about by name: PANS.
Trade one food, not the whole diet. She asks a reluctant kid for one food that "doesn't love your brain," and trades a supplement off the list in return (25:04). Then she asks AI for realistic swaps a family will actually eat.
Babesia lives in red blood cells. If you have tested positive, don't donate blood. Federal blood-safety rules agree.
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Your Calcium Score Is Zero. Are You Safe?
Monday, September 28, 2026 • Duration 01:02:21
At 34, Dr. Stephen Hussey had a zero calcium score and a heart attack six months later. Dr. Chris Motley talks with him about what his tests missed, infrared light, structured water, and his case that the heart is more than a pump. Sources in the show notes. Remember: chest pain means call 911. Educational only, not medical advice.
00:00 Zero calcium score, heart attack at 34
00:24 Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast
00:33 Meet Dr. Stephen Hussey 01:38 Hives, asthma, and type 1 diabetes at nine
03:04 Fit, healthy, perfect labs, then a heart attack
04:42 Alone in the hospital with 11 prescriptions
06:34 A blocked leg artery after the heart cath
08:55 Why he bought an infrared sauna
11:18 Half of sunlight is infrared, and we live indoors
14:09 Structured water, explained and disputed
18:42 What makes blood clot: Virchow's three conditions
22:43 Stop the heart and the blood keeps moving?
25:43 Red light panels, and how much is too much
30:08 Is the heart really a pump?
30:39 A quick word on LDL
31:51 Three roles of the heart, starting with the pump question
35:14 A heart that twists
37:40 Sponsor: Timeline
39:05 Role two: the heart as a brake
41:08 Role three: the heart as a sensor
46:06 Heart rate variability and the ability to adapt
48:54 Chinese medicine: the heart governs the blood
50:15 Grounding: how much is enough
53:36 Three books
55:48 Why he stopped practicing to teach full time
57:34 Wrap-up 58:18 Disclaimer
Key Takeaways
A zero calcium score is good news, not a guarantee. It measures calcified plaque only. Dr. Hussey says so himself (3:40): it does not see soft plaque, and it cannot see a clot that forms on a clean artery wall.
Heart attacks are not all plumbing. Stress cardiomyopathy and coronary artery spasm are real, recognized events that do not start with a blocked artery.
Get outside. About half of sunlight is infrared, and Americans spend about 93 percent of their time indoors or in vehicles (NHAPS, 2001).
Light has a dose. Red and infrared light help up to a point, then stop helping. Dr. Hussey calls it a "bell curve" (26:52), and the research agrees.
The heart twists as it contracts, and heart rate variability matters. Both are well measured. Low heart rate variability tracks with heart failure and depression.
Chinese medicine says the heart governs the blood and houses the spirit. Dr. Motley connects that classical idea to Dr. Hussey's argument that the heart is more than a mechanical pump (48:54 to 50:11).
Remember: Don't stop or change heart medications without your cardiologist.
Chest pain, pressure, or shortness of breath: call 911, whatever your last scan said.
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