"Third Space" is a space where two or more people with differing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. In this podcast two lifelong friends, Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus, carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom features an exploration of how to talk with one another about significant, even controversial, issues with grace and humor. Occasionally Lamar & Tom will welcome guests to the show.
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Lamar and Tom welcome Allen Schrag, an innovative Kansas farmer and business person with a lifetime of experience in farming. In this conversation, they discuss the current state of agriculture, comparing it to the 1980s farm crisis, and explore the risks and challenges faced by farmers today. Allen, and his son Paul, operate Silver Creek Farms where they utilize an array of innovative farming techniques, including the use of biologicals to enhance crop production and to maintain soil health for future generations. To learn more about Allen, Paul, and their approach to farming, visit this website: https://locusag.com/grower-spotlight/allen-schrag-silver-creek-farms/
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded May 15, 2025, using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland, Kansas, and Arkansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, June 9, 2025.
S3E11 - Navigating Politics When in a Significant Minority Position with Senator Ethan Corson
Saison 3 · Épisode 11
lundi 26 mai 2025 • Durée 01:16:52
In this conversation, District 7 Kansas State Senator Ethan Corson discusses his background, career, and the importance of civil dialogue in politics. He shares insights on navigating a Republican supermajority in the Senate, the differences between federal and state politics, and the significance of communication and listening skills in legislative processes. Ethan Corson emphasizes the need for respectful conversations and the role of civil dialogue in preserving democracy, while also reflecting on his personal motivations for entering politics and the challenges faced in today's political climate.
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
The Constitution has been the guiding document for the United State of America for nearly 250 years. The documents cover a wide range of issues which make it possible for people in a large, diverse country to live peacefully and harmoniously, most of the time. One of the important topics it addresses is the issue of which powers are “reserved” for States and which powers are “enumerated” for Federal government. Of course, it is not always so clear. In this episode, Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus discuss the concept of states' rights, exploring its historical context, evolution, and current implications, particularly in relation to education. They examine the tension between federal and state powers, the role of the 10th Amendment, and the influence of federal policies on local education systems. The discussion highlights concerns over public funding and the quality of education, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to governance.
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Look for yourself:
S3E9 - What Does it Mean to "Buy American"?
Saison 3 · Épisode 9
lundi 28 avril 2025 • Durée 01:00:20
Do you “buy American?” If so, what does that mean?
Does it mean you “buy American” all of the time? Does it mean you purchase only those items that are both sourced and manufactured in the United States? Or, does it mean you purchase items that are “made in the USA” but with materials that come from outside the country? What about services?
To “buy American” may not be as easy as it once was, with or without tariffs. In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom talk about their experiences of buying American, how it has changed over time, and explore what it might mean today.
It’s Your Turn: We suggest you Google this question: What percentage of food consumed in the USA is actually produced in the USA?
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
S2E8 - Truth, Truthiness, and Not So Truthy Conversations
Saison 3 · Épisode 8
lundi 14 avril 2025 • Durée 46:52
Civil conversations and dialogue are made more difficult when participants are not speaking honestly, are simply parroting the ideas of others, or are unwilling to consider being changed through dialogue. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about conversations in which truth is illusive, and truthiness is not valued.
Learn more:
The work of Alan Yarborough and his organization, Habits of Discourse, was part of the inspiration of this episode:
https://www.habitsofdiscourse.com/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
On this April Fools’ Day eve Lamar and Tom have a bit of fun with some of the odd but true stories in the news. Hey, we all need a break when things have been pretty heavy in the world, right? Thankfully we have April Fools’ Day to help us out.
S3E6 - A Table Talk on Crime-Punishment-and-Pardons
Saison 3 · Épisode 6
lundi 17 mars 2025 • Durée 59:18
President Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of nearly 1,600 people who committed “certain offenses” at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. As these folks return to their homes, how do their communities respond to them? Inspired by a story of one such J6 defendant in the New York Times, Lamar and Tom have a Table Talk on crimes, punishments, and pardons.
Presidential Actions:Granting Pardons and Commutation of Sentences for Certain Offenses Relating to the Events at or Near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021:
S3E5 A Table Talk on the Early Days of the New Administration
Saison 3 · Épisode 5
lundi 3 mars 2025 • Durée 01:01:29
What is new was old. What is old is new again. This is true of many things, including politics. On January 20th Donald J. Trump became President of the United States again for the second time. It has been a fast-paced and interesting (some would say “frightening”) few weeks. In this podcast Lamar and Tom scootch up to the kitchen table, pour a cup of coffee, and talk about what has been happening. Join us!
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
S3E4 - Heidi & Guy Burgess - Part 2
Saison 3 · Épisode 4
lundi 17 février 2025 • Durée 01:08:34
Part 2 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado.
In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution.
As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States.
In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI)
The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics.
Part 1 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado.
In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution.
As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States.
In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI)
The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics.
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Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded April 16, 2025; Original Publishing Date April 28, 2025
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Recorded March 11, 2025; Original Publishing Date: March 31, 2025
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
