Joe Erato and Mike Van de Bogert, hosts of the Locations Unknown podcast, join us for a lively, laughter-filled conversation. Locations Unknown is a podcast that delves into unexplained and unsolved disappearances in America's wilderness, highlighting some of the eerie circumstances that often accompany these cases, such as search and rescue efforts being hampered by storms and missing individuals being found in semi-conscious states with no memory of their disappearance. In our conversation, we get a behind-the-scenes look at everything that goes into Locations Unknown, the cases that stay with Mike and Joe the most, and whether the stories they uncover have changed how they spend time outdoors. They also share some of their wildest wilderness tales—including camping overnight with armed park rangers searching for an aggressive grizzly in Glacier National Park—and even some stories that I, Maddie, "haven't told listeners yet." It’s a fun, unforgettable chat that left me grinning ear to ear long after our interview. Tune in to hear from the iconic hosts of Locations Unknown! 

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This episode features Haleakalā National Park on the island of Maui, Hawaii, from the perspective of its superintendent, Natalie Gates. Haleakalā National Park is home to the dormant Haleakalā Volcano, whose peak rises to 10,023 feet. Known for its breathtaking sunrise—described by Mark Twain as "the most sublime spectacle"—and excursions into the volcano's crater, the park is both a stunning natural wonder and a deeply sacred place for Native Hawaiians.

Natalie, who has served as superintendent since 2013, offers insights into the innovative Incompatible Insect Technique (IIT) used to protect Hawaiian forest birds, her monthly 13-mile hike into the crater, and her unique path from veterinarian to National Park Service leader. She also shares her thoughts on the sacred Kīpahulu District, a window into Old Hawaii, and the unparalleled sunrise experience at Haleakalā.

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Kobuk Valley National Park, located in northwestern Alaska is a fascinating park, with a rich history of caribou hunting and the onion portage and a unique landscape compared to other Alaska parks we have done so far with sand dunes and vast valleys where caribou migrate. In this episode we interview Ray McPadden, Kobuk Valley (and the larger Western Arctic National Parklands) Superintendent, and his story is one for the books. Not only does he manage such a vast landscape with resiliency and intelligence, but he also served in the military (earning a Purple Heart, two Bronze Stars, and a medal for valor during his four combat tours) and is an award winning author of two books stemming from his military experience. Full of laughter, awe and just good conversation, this is not an episode to miss as you will get a taste for the rugged and wild lifestyle of living and working in “the bush” and managing a park as remote as Kobuk Valley.

Zion National Park is globally known for its Narrows wading hike and Angels Landing, and in this interview with Superintendent Jeff Bradybaugh, not only do we dive into the details behind these famous hikes (including some tips on how to best enjoy the Narrows), but we also uncover facts and stories about Zion beyond its famous hikes. We learn what soundscapes are, talk about the backcountry experiences in the park and learn more about the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service (from Jeff’s experience working in both agencies). Jeff has loved the outdoors since he was a kid, and it is a treat to hear how he turned that love into a career protecting the lands we love so dearly.

Close your eyes and imagine a wilderness four times bigger than Yellowstone National Park. Imagine a landscape north of the Arctic Circle with rugged mountains, vast expanses of treeless tundra, glaciated valleys, forests and many rivers and lakes. In the winter the weather can dip below -50 degrees Fahrenheit and in the month of June the sun is out for 24 hours. This vast and expansive landscape is the home of Gates Of The Arctic National Park & Preserve, where this episode hears from its superintendent, Mark Dowdle.

A subterranean park filled with adventures where your boots barely fit through the infamous “mole hole”. This episode explores Mammoth Cave National Park through the lens of its superintendent, Barclay Trimble. Barclay is motivated by experiencing different parts of the country and coming into places that aren’t running as smoothly as they should be. He came from a business background and has had experiences across the country, ranging from Denali National Park up in Alaska all the way to the most eastern point of the continental United States as Superintendent of the Outer Banks Group. Listen to Barclay’s episode to learn how he is managing Mammoth Cave, the world’s longest cave system at 426 miles long, and how he is even making history by discovering new shark species underground.

“Creating memories is an act of preservation.” Grand Teton Superintendent, Chip Jenkins, is passionate about the impact us as visitors can have in the national parks. By visiting and sharing that we value the outdoors to our families and friends, we are creating stewards of the national parks for generations to come. “The National Park Service cannot care for Grand Teton entirely on its own.” Listen in to Chip’s interview to hear his heart, learn about his extensive experience across our nation’s gems and get a behind the scenes look at the Grand Teton and all that is going on in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, a place of international significance.

How did a lawyer become the Superintendent of our nation’s second most visited national park? Listen in to hear how Ed Keable, Grand Canyon Superintendent, transitioned into the National Park Service after serving as the highest ranking civil service lawyer in the Department of the Interior. With a commute along the canyon rim everyday, the vista reminds him of his responsibilities as superintendent and of his first experience at the grand canyon many years before, where he experienced the spirituality and beauty of such an awe-inspiring backdrop. From climate challenges and indigenous affairs to managing deferred maintenance and flying in the occasional helicopter and plane over the canyon, there is never a dull day as Grand Canyon Superintendent.

The National Park Service participated in two SXSW panels & I got to go & “report” on the discussions and attend a few days of SXSW (a tech, music, film & culture conference in Austin, Texas each year) -- truly a dream come true! This episode documents the two panels plus some fun tidbits and takeaways from my experience meeting National Park Service folks and folks across other governmental agencies and partners (like L.L.Bean & the National Park Foundation). With me documenting both the panels & my experience, this episode stands unique in comparison to superintendent interviews. Want to learn how the park service is ensuring they are at the forefront of the challenges both the government and the national park service are facing? Want to get a feel for who I am & my heart behind Who Runs This Park? Listen in!!

Step into the world of Glacier National Park alongside its superintendent, Dave Roemer, as he shares his deep insights into the park's rich tapestry of history and conservation efforts. Learn about his collaboration with indigenous tribes to restore the land and their cultural traditions, his “Drink Coffee with the Superintendent” initiative and his bold decisions to proactively combat climate change.

As someone whose love for the outdoors and desire to protect it for generations to come is evident, Kevin Schneider (Acadia Superintendent) gives us the inside scoop on the going-ons in Acadia National Park, from exciting housing projects, to his favorite places to ski within the park, to the various programs enabling people to spend time in Acadia (kids, teachers, etc), to the trails that were built during the late 1800s Rusticator Era, this is not an episode to miss!

BONUS EPISODE: There are over 400 National Park Sites outside of the 63 National Parks. This episode invites us deeper into the heart of the National Park Service where Eric Leonard, Superintendent of the High Plains Group (four National Park Sites across Colorado & New Mexico with a narrative arc tying them all together) shares his extensive experience across a wide array of national parks, historic sites, national monuments, etc. This episode is unique in that it doesn’t focus on a specific park but highlights riveting stories and fascinating new information -- this episode may take the cake in regards to one I learned the most in, and I am confident you will feel that way too.

Adam Ruggiero, Editor-in-Chief and Podcast Host at GearJunkie, joins me for a riveting and wide-ranging conversation. From media trips gone wrong to how we should think about AI from a journalism standpoint, this discussion is engaging and exciting. GearJunkie is an online hub for outdoor adventure, offering expert gear reviews, the latest outdoor trends, and inspiring stories for adventurers. Adam shares his experience living and working on a coffee farm in Hawaii, makes a case for journalism school, and gives a behind-the-scenes look at how to grab an editor’s attention if you're looking to get your product tested. My favorite quote from the episode: “Don't underestimate your ability to figure out more than you think you know when you embark on [the journey of quitting your job and taking a chance].”

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“Preservation of public land, an act known round the world” -- Yellowstone hails as America’s first National Park, coining what is widely known as America’s Best Idea, the National Park Service. In this episode, we are chatting with the big kahuna, Cam Sholly, Superintendent of Yellowstone National Park. From heroically navigating a historic flood in 2022 (an 100% increase in cubic ft/s in the river since the last recorded flood), to both recognizing progress from a conservation perspective (as compared to the 1950-60s with folks lining up to feed bears out of garbage cans & the extirpation of the whole wolf population) and continuing to push for better protection and management of Yellowstone, to setting the standard for employee housing across the park service, Cam’s insight, leadership and experience captivates any listener.

Cueing us into the ins-and-outs of desert parks, Jane Rodgers shares priceless tidbits on Joshua Tree, including how Minerva Hoyt, a marketing genius, promoted the establishment of Joshua Tree National Park, emphasizes that no park can operate as an island (highlighting the wide array of partnerships Joshua Tree has) and shares how they are working to achieve sustainable tourism amidst increased visitors and more people moving to surrounding communities.

Unveiling the wonders of Alaska’s wilderness, Susanne shares her experiences as managing one of America’s most remote national parks: commuting via plane over awe-inspiring landscapes, experiencing hair-raising encounters with coastal brown bears and navigating the challenges and preparation involved in fieldwork within Lake Clark.

Standing waist deep in the Everglades amongst bellowing alligators, mesmerized at the end of the ice road by aurora borealis and a blanket of stars, and inspired by the opportunity to work for an agency with such an outstanding mission are just a few of the experiences Bob DeGross, Superintendent of Voyageurs National Park, invites us into in this episode -- you don’t want to miss learning about his experiences across the park service and his unique insight into Voyageurs National Park. Bob shares how implementing wisdom from the Voyageurs (French-Canadian Fur Traders) & Ojibwe tribe can reduce Search & Rescue incidents within the park, reminds us that preservation is much less expensive than restoration and discusses the challenges with the “accomplishment mindset” folks have today.

Sue Fritzke, former Superintendent of Capitol Reef National Park, takes us on a riveting journey of her career, starting in the Peace Corps in Ecuador, meandering through stints at some of our country's gems, including Mount Rainier, Yellowstone and Yosemite, all the way to her final position before retirement as Superintendent of Capitol Reef National Park. ⁠from the Peace Corps in Ecuador to various positions. Not only does she take us through her career but invites us into some of the joys and hardships along the way. This was the second episode I (Maddie) recorded so you'll learn a lot of National Park Service terminology, including what a deputy superintendent is, what a detail is and many other things.

Paul Labovitz, former Superintendent of Indiana Dunes National Park, walks us through his career and his time in the National Park Service up until his final position before retirement at Indiana Dunes. Paul is a self-proclaimed city kid whose transformational experience outdoors changed his life and charted his course to work in the outdoors. In his interview, he surprises us with a career change to the National Park Service due to the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, shares insights about "sister parks" where National Parks partner with other National Parks internationally (learn about Costa Rica & Poland) and shares his appreciation for the accessibility of Indiana Dunes to the Greater Chicago Area.

David Smith, Superintendent of Golden Gate National Recreation Area, takes us on a riveting journey of his career, from working in border patrol, working in the House of Representatives as a part of the Bevinetto Fellowship, giving a TED talk on the importance of community engagement in national parks, being superintendent for almost 10 years at Joshua Tree all the way to his new posting at GGNRA, since January of 2023. In this conversation, he shares his excitement in exploring the amazing GGNRA sites, his incredible view of the Golden Gate Bridge from his office in Fort Mason, his pride in the amazing programs at GGNRA, such as the Lifeguard training program, and his awe at the way the community cares for and supports this NPS site.

Laura A. Miller, Superintendent of Hot Springs National Park dives deep into the National Park Service's presence and history in Arkansas. She gives us a behind the scenes look at how National Park Sites are set up and created (namely Little Rock Central High School and President William Jefferson Clinton Birthplace Home), talks about the unique aspects of Hot Springs National Park, with thermal water at 140 degrees and a history as a medicinal "treatment" facility, highlights all the exciting ways for people to recreate at Buffalo River and shares a little of her heart on why Hot Springs means so much to her.

Don Striker, Superintendent of North Cascades National Park, goes into detail on his time in the National Park Service, sharing the ways nature brings people to tears (from Mount Rushmore to Denali), laughing about the hair-raising encounters with wildlife (including a humorous yet tense squirrel episode), reminiscing on people who took a chance on him and were willing to promote a less conventional path, highlighting unique challenges such as reintroducing wolves into Yellowstone in the 1990s and sharing some unique insights into what makes North Cascades such a special place, and in some regards, an undiscovered gem.

Clay Jordan, the Superintendent of Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks, gives us a peak into his 35-year career in the National Park Service, highlighting his experiences and insights in managing these iconic parks, including dealing with challenges like wildfires and surging visitor numbers and sheds light on the dedication and collaborative spirit required to protect and preserve our national treasures. Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks are nestled side by side in Central California's Southern Sierra Nevada and showcase the grandeur of nature with their towering trees, majestic mountains, deep canyons, and more.

Check out our BRAND NEW SEGMENT, Park Enthusiasts, with Parks Project CEO and Founder, Keith Eshelman. Parks Project is an outdoor lifestyle brand with purpose. Parks Project gives back to conservation efforts focused on restoring habitats in our parklands and activates communities of volunteers to support parks. In only 7 years, what started as a one t-shirt business, has grown to an assortment of head-to-toe apparel and home goods and more than $2.6 million in donations to over 50 park conservatories, inspiring the next generation to leave it better than we found it. Keith, himself, is passionate about habitat restoration and making conservation accessible and cool. Prior to starting Parks Project, Keith was one of TOMS earliest employees, and it was there during a volunteer day in the Santa Monica mountains that he discovered the overwhelming backlog of much-needed funding to complete projects in parks and uncovered a need to educate the next generation of advocates. This episode dives into how Keith creates product stories with a purpose, his craziest moment in a national park, how Parks Project ran the E-Commerce experience for the National Park Service’s Find Your Park Campaign and the brands he looks up to. Listen in!

Uncover the heroes behind your favorite National Parks through these interviews with National Park Superintendents. Get a look into their career path, unique experiences and stories of adventure and get a glimpse into their heart for preserving our Nation's treasures. Our first episode releases Tuesday, September 5th at 6AM EST with following episodes released every other week.

Get a sneak peek into the hidden gem that is Lassen Volcanic National Park from the superintendent herself, Roseann Worley. Lassen Volcanic National Park is sometimes referred to as "Little Yosemite." Imagine all the geothermal and natural features of Yellowstone in a more condensed and less populated space—Roseann argues Lassen Volcanic is even better ;). Lassen Volcanic is located in Northeastern California and was the 15th national park established by Congress, in 1916, the same year the National Park Service itself was founded. The park is a crossroads, featuring all four types of volcanoes and a rich biodiversity, as it lies at the intersection of the southern Cascade Range, the northern Sierra Nevada, and the Great Basin area. Listen to this episode to learn about the impact of fires on the park, the famous Benjamin Franklin (B.F.) Loomis’s photos of the 1914 and 1915 eruptions, the unique ways people recreate across the seasons in Lassen Volcanic, the role Search and Rescue teams play in the park, and the old ski lift and its archaeological remains. Roseann’s evident love for recreating in Lassen Volcanic shines through in our conversation, and you’ll be inspired to discover this hidden gem for yourself after listening to the episode.

"Sucking Wind" is a term coined by Crater Lake park rangers to describe the moment when someone walks up to the rim of the caldera for the first time and takes a deep breath, overwhelmed by the surreal scene. Today, we have the privilege of interviewing Superintendent Craig Ackerman, the caretaker of this inspirational and sacred place, Crater Lake National Park. Crater Lake National Park is located in Southern Oregon, and the lake itself is the deepest in the U.S. Known as the “Mirror of Heaven”, the lake’s deep blue color comes from its purity and clarity. In this episode, you'll learn about the historic journey of how Crater Lake became a National Park, thanks to the heroic and persistent efforts of a single person. You'll learn about story of the "Old Man of the Lake," a 30-foot log that floats vertically around the lake. And, you'll learn about Crater Lake's sister parks in Slovenia and China, the tale of a car in neutral tumbling 1,000 feet into the lake, and a unique biking event called Ride the Rim. After listening, Crater Lake will quickly jump to the top of your bucket list.

Rhonda Loh, a local girl from Hawaiʻi, has been working and volunteering at Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park for over three decades. She has been the superintendent since 2020, with her first day on the job coinciding with an eruption—quite the greeting and way to jump into the role. In this episode, we get firsthand insight into how volcanic activity is monitored and evaluated by the US Geological Survey (USGS) and how they collaborate with the park. We also get a glimpse into how the park is restoring native rainforests and studying fire ecology. Rhonda’s love for the park is evident as she reminisces about camping under the stars. Her knowledge of the park is extensive, as she holds a Master's in Chemistry and a PhD in Plant Ecology. Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park is located on the Big Island of Hawaiʻi, rising from sea level to an elevation of over 13,000 ft. It encompasses two of the world’s most active volcanoes, Kīlauea and Mauna Loa, includes seven ecological zones, and is home to 54 threatened and endangered species. The park is famous for its recent and historic lava flows, creating an ever-changing landscape. What a unique and magnificent park we got to learn about in this episode from a dedicated and caring superintendent!

Also referred to as the Galapagos of North America, Channel Islands is located 60 miles offshore from Santa Barbara, California and is made up of five islands. The stories Ethan McKinley, Channel Islands National Park Superintendent, shares are jaw dropping at the least -- from capturing golden eagles using helicopters and essentially pillowcases, to implementing a New Zealand designed biosecurity station, and to needing any ranger on San Miguel Island to be trained in unexploded ordnances. Ethan McKinley has been superintendent of Channel Islands National Park since 2019 and is one of the park service’s youngest superintendents - go Ethan! I promise you'll be itching for a trip out to the islands soon - it truly is a miracle we have a park with such internationally significant cultural resources and human history, with such pristine and wild wilderness and ecosystems and a wide array of recreation possibilities just off the coast of Los Angeles. As Ethan says, "I feel so fortunate that we're able to provide access to this quality of a national park this close to so many people."

Arches and Canyonlands National Parks are located in Eastern Utah and are both famous on their own accord. Arches is home to the Delicate Arch, which has become a famous symbol of Utah (it is on their license plate) and is one of the most recognized natural formations in the United States. Canyonlands is a much larger park with many opportunities for outdoor adventure through four wheel driving, challenging backpacking, etc. Today’s episode dives into the Lena Pace's (Arches & Canyonlands superintendent) perspective on the park as she ramps up to being superintendent (she has been superintendent since early April 2024). We are lucky to get unique and never before heard insight into her transition, into the partnerships she is maintaining and growing, the trails she is exploring and the Canyonlands districts she is learning about. We also hear about her experience growing up in rural Alaska and her 20+ years of experience as a Law Enforcement ranger. There is a lot of laughing in this episode, not one you want to miss.

Cuyahoga Valley National Park, located in northeastern Ohio is a breathtaking expanse of natural beauty, rich history, and vibrant wildlife and is unique in its proximity and relationships with surrounding communities/municipalities and its drastic transformation from a place where the river historically caught on fire to a river rich in ecology and opportunities for humans to recreate. Lisa has been superintendent at Cuyahoga Valley since 2021 but has been working at Cuyahoga Valley for almost 25 years, previously serving in a variety of leadership positions and working as a wildlife biologist and her passion for this park is evident in our conversation. Learn about the plans Cuyahoga Valley has for the future, the ways challenges with the scenic railroad were mitigated and resolved and, in the words of the superintendent herself, learn about “the sense of awe [you can] get from a place that just seems ordinary”. Listen for yourself, “because I think you'll be surprised”.

Danielle LaRock and Cassie Yahnian, hosts of the National Park After Dark podcast, join us on the pod today. This was a big moment for me as a longtime fan of NPAD—I was definitely having a fangirl moment! For those who don’t know, National Park After Dark is a podcast for the morbid outdoor enthusiast, sharing stories from our national parks and other public lands that showcase their darker or spookier sides. Danielle and Cassie, both former vet techs, have created a thriving community of morbid outdoor enthusiasts and have hosted countless trips with their audience through TrovaTrip (my dream!). In our conversation, we go behind the scenes of National Park After Dark, hearing about everything that goes into making the show, their wildest outdoor experiences, their most memorable or favorite Trail Tale, the books they've loved while researching episodes, how they prepare for each episode, and the why behind each of their favorite national parks. If you’re an NPAD fan, you won’t want to miss it.

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Collyn “Doc” Nielsen, host of Hiker Trash Radio podcast, joins Maddie Pellman, host of Who Runs This Park for a unique episode. Together they highlight noteworthy moments from each of their podcasts. Maddie highlights conversations with the Grand Teton National Park Superintendent, Lake Clark National Park & Preserve Superintendent, and the Kobuk Valley National Park Superintendent and why these have been some of her favorite conversations thus far. Doc covers an exceptional expeditionist, an unbelievably thrilling finish to the world’s toughest race, and an epic cyclist. You don’t want to miss this episode. 

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This episode highlights Congaree National Park in South Carolina through the perspective of its superintendent, Greg Hauburger. Known for preserving the largest tract of old-growth bottomland hardwood forest in the southeastern United States, Congaree National Park boasts a rich array of biodiversity. Visitors will find towering trees—some of the tallest in the eastern U.S.—and a variety of wildlife, including river otters, bobcats, and alligators. The Congaree River flows through the park, and a scenic boardwalk trail winds through its swamp-like environment for visitors to enjoy.

Greg, who has served as superintendent since 2022, offers listeners an iconic 24-hour itinerary in Congaree, dispels myths about the park, discusses the unique floodplain ecosystem, and shares about restoration efforts to reintroduce the endangered Red-cockaded Woodpecker. He even provides insight into the fun South Carolina Pimento Cheese Passport.

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This episode spotlights Gateway Arch National Park in St. Louis, Missouri, through the eyes of its superintendent, Jeremy Sweat. Known for its iconic 630-foot monument, Gateway Arch National Park commemorates America’s westward expansion and serves as a testament to the ingenuity and perseverance of its creators. Visitors can explore the story of the Arch's construction—one that took more than three decades to secure funding for—and the complex history of the surrounding area, including the St. Louis interstate history and the historic Old Courthouse.

Jeremy shares his journey to becoming superintendent, something he uniquely set his mind on at a young age. Learn about the largest public-private partnership in national park history, fascinating tidbits about the Arch's tram system, and even the mock trials that take place in the park’s Old Courthouse. Plus, hear about the thrill of throwing out a first pitch at a Cardinals game and how security has become a top priority in managing this national treasure.

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Sandy Colhoun, National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS) President, joins Maddie Pellman, host of Who Runs This Park, Park Enthusiasts. NOLS, built on the vision that wilderness is the great equalizer, stands as THE leader in outdoor education—a nonprofit Maddie has been captivated by since taking her first Wilderness First Aid Course in 2022, followed by an unforgettable backcountry skiing adventure in Japan on a NOLS alumni course. You can tell in the interview, Maddie is beyond excited to be talking with Sandy. 

In this episode, Sandy shares his own life adventures, from biking through the Himalayas to ski patrolling in Park City, while diving deeper into the mission and vision of NOLS. He reflects on the idea that life happens at the crux of opportunity and preparation, emphasizing the power of taking leaps of faith and embracing learning. Sandy also touches on the unique role NOLS plays in training programs for both the Navy and astronauts, highlights the concept of Expedition Behavior, and discusses how national parks and public lands have shaped NOLS and his own life. This is not an episode you’ll want to miss!

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