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This conversation peels back the glossy veneer on modern church culture and asks what Jesus actually had in mind. We talk megachurch money, the “business model” of religion, and whether tithing-as-law was ever the point. Amy unpacks the influencer pastor era, the pressure-cooker system that breeds burnout, and why Acts-style fellowship (shared tables, rotating teachers, real accountability) still works. We compare Sunday stage shows to small, Spirit-led communities and ask if the apostles would even recognize our churches. From Laodicea warnings to Watchman Nee–style generosity, we press into discipleship over attendance. It’s frank, hopeful, and aimed at reform from the inside out with one of our favorite guests- Amy from Eyes on the Right podcast!
Timestamps: 00:01:00 Exposing the business of Christianity 00:02:47 Mention of “The Religious Business” documentary 00:05:08 Heart posture vs church consumerism 00:07:29 Institutional systems and fallen influence 00:09:42 Pastoral pressure and spiritual burnout 00:11:56 Success measured by butts in pews 00:14:23 What is church? The body of Christ 00:16:42 Pedestal pastors and misplaced focus 00:18:59 Shared teaching and authentic leadership 00:21:25 Comparing Acts church to modern models 00:22:05 Tithing vs New Covenant generosity 00:24:32 Giving as worship and heart posture 00:26:45 Generosity, reaping, and sowing in faith 00:29:05 Can the megachurch model be redeemed? 00:31:22 Laodicea church and spiritual blindness 00:33:43 House church rhythm and online fellowship 00:36:03 Would the apostles recognize our churches? 00:38:19 One-anothering and real fellowship 00:40:41 Why recovery groups feel like real church 00:43:07 Transparency, confession, and authentic ministry 00:45:26 Amy’s story — “Get up” and walk again 00:47:46 Prayer for the church and believers 00:49:53 Guest plugs and final thoughts
E177 The C👁️🗨️A's Greatest Hits
Monday, October 13, 2025 • Duration 44:18
Brandon and Lindsy welcome a guest who cracks open a hidden dossier on culture-war psyops—where protest songs, psychedelics, and carefully scripted narratives intertwine. Listeners are led through a labyrinth of acid parties that weren’t so “free,” Laurel Canyon salons doubling as distribution hubs, and elite families underwriting a psychedelic renaissance that looks far less organic than advertised. From Lennon to Hendrix, Cobain to Tupac, the names you thought were untouchable are revealed as pawns in a much bigger game. This conversation pulls the velvet curtain back on COINTELPRO echoes in hip-hop, the strange survival of “sex & rock ’n’ roll” while “no drugs” artists vanished, and the shift from vinyl manipulation to viral manipulation. Guiding us through this maze of evidence and implication is researcher and filmmaker John Potash.
00:52 Setting up today’s topic – hidden war through drugs & culture 02:00 John Potash joins 03:15 John’s personal story with LSD and realization 05:20 Counseling, corruption & activism background 07:45 Oligarch fingerprints on U.S. intelligence 10:00 How John got sources on Tupac & COINTELPRO 12:10 CIA whistleblowers & early articles 14:30 Courtney Love, Kurt Cobain & LSD distribution 16:50 MKULTRA documents & acid in colleges/prisons 19:10 Timothy Leary, Millbrook Mansion & the Mellons 21:25 Ken Kesey, Merry Pranksters & the psychedelic bus 23:50 Crisis-actor rumors about Tupac 26:15 The Grateful Dead & acid tests 28:30 How psychedelics weaken emotional control 31:20 John Lennon’s story, Yoko Ono & manipulation 33:35 Heroin as a control tactic & parallels with other artists 36:00 Psychedelics today, ketamine, and medical narrative 38:15 Funding links: MAPS, Heffter Institute & billionaires 40:35 Church abuse, MKULTRA techniques still active 42:55 John’s website, books & projects / closing thoughts
E169 Weird Is Biblical… and We’ve Got More Proof
Monday, August 18, 2025 • Duration 48:48
This conversation gets Holy Spirit wild! We toss the religious rule book aside and step straight into the deep end of supernatural encounters—exploring altered states of consciousness in the Bible, Old Testament prophets who acted in ways that would shock most church folks today, and how these experiences can’t be judged by outward appearance alone with returning guest Dr. Merrill Greene, author of Drunk in the Spirit. Merrill unpacks both the scholarship and the strangeness, tying ecstatic experiences to solid biblical precedent, while Brandon shares some wild personal stories (including one about Sandy getting “glued” to the floor). From Saul’s prophetic nakedness to modern misunderstandings like “Kundalini” accusations, this episode pushes past fear, control, and skepticism to ask—what if God is stranger than we think, and closer than we realize?
Timestamps 00:08 Saul’s example and modern parallels 00:27 Intro to the episode 01:00 Holy Spirit wild and Dr. Merrill Greene returns 02:50 From cessationist to charismatic 05:13 Brandon’s and Sandy’s personal encounters 07:35 Power of lived experience over doctrine 09:55 Old Testament altered states examples 12:16 Misunderstanding altered states in the West 14:26 Academic hesitation toward supernatural topics 16:41 Biblical illiteracy and ignoring the weird parts19:03 Letting go of control for God’s purposes21:17 Practicing and maturing in spiritual gifts23:36 Signs that make you wonder26:00 Ephesians 5:18 and spiritual intoxication28:16 Tongues under the prophetic ecstasy umbrella30:41 Biblical and extra-biblical perspectives33:07 Archaeology, incense, and hallucinogenics35:28 Strange fire and God’s terms for communication37:50 Lonnie Frisbee and encountering Jesus despite drugs39:55 Future revival and manifestations42:25 Kundalini accusations and discernment of spirits44:47 Mislabeling spirits and Catholic demonology47:35 Closing and where to find Dr. Merrill Greene
E62 The Feathered Serpent: A Mythical Creature Connecting Heaven and Earth
Monday, November 20, 2023 • Duration 01:16:26
Hey there! Welcome to this awesome episode of the Unrefined Podcast, where we will be taking you on a wild ride through the world of genetic engineering, Mayan lore, and corn. Buckle up!
So, in this episode, our fabulous hosts Brandon, Lindsy and BT are diving deep into the fascinating world of corn. And no, we're not just talking about your average corn on the cob here. We're talking about the genetically engineered corn that has some seriously cool ties to Mayan mythology. How cool is that?
We kick things off by discussing this mind-blowing book called "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" by Charles Simon. This book takes us on a journey to explore the origins and unique characteristics of corn. Who knew corn had such a rich history, right?
But wait, there's more! Lindsy and Brandon also delve into the mystical figure of Quetzalcoatl in Aztec and Mayan mythology. This dude is seriously symbolic and has been depicted in ancient Mesoamerican art. We're talking about some seriously cool visuals here, people!
And of course, no mythological discussion is complete without touching on creation stories. Our hosts explore various creation stories in Aztec and Mayan mythology, giving us a glimpse into the historical changes in religious beliefs. It's like a rollercoaster of ancient awesomeness!
But hey, we're not just here for the myths and legends. Lindsy and BT also touch on the potential health effects of corn in our diets. It's always good to know what we're putting into our bodies, right?
To wrap things up, your hosts are kind enough to recommend additional resources for all you curious listeners out there who want to dive even deeper into Mayan and Aztec culture. We've got your back!
So there you have it, folks. Get ready to have your mind blown by the incredible world of genetic engineering, Mayan mythology, and corn. It's gonna be a wild ride, so let's get started!
E61 A Father's Unwavering Love: Behind The Scenes With Tom Dunn
Monday, November 13, 2023 • Duration 50:16
Welcome to this awesome podcast episode where I, your super cool host Brandon along with my lovely wife Sandy, have invited the one and only Tom Dunn to join us. Tom is not just any ordinary guy - he's a minister and an investigator of satanic crimes. How cool is that?
So, in this episode, Tom spills the beans about his personal experiences with faith and family. Sandy and I were blessed to attend a conference where Tom was speaking, and his message about prodigals deeply moved us. I knew then that I wanted him on the podcast to share his insights with all of you.
Get ready for a wild ride as he shares the incredible story of his son Elijah's spiritual journey. From losing faith after his parents' divorce to finding his way back to Christianity, it's a rollercoaster of emotions.
But wait, there's more! Tom also dives into his own spiritual encounters. Brace yourself for a mind-blowing tale of how he had this super powerful encounter with God at a Christian music festival.
To wrap things up, Tom leads us in a prayer for all you awesome listeners and your loved ones. And hey, if you want to dive deeper into Tom's ministry, make sure to check out his website called "Through the Black". Trust me, it's totally worth it.
So, grab your snack, sit back, and get ready to have your mind blown by this incredible episode. Let's do this!
Tom's Background and Inspiration (00:03:20) Tom shares his journey of how he got into ministry, starting with attending conferences and being mentored by Russ Dizdar.
Tom talks about his mentor Russ Dizdar and his work investigating satanic crimes and helping survivors of ritual abuse.
E60 Time Travel and Toilet Trips
Monday, November 6, 2023 • Duration 01:09:14
In this episode, author Ryan Anderson discusses his views on pre-earth history, the motives of Lucifer's rebellion, and the concept of time travel from a biblical perspective. He also explores the connections between Moses, Elijah, and Jesus, suggesting that their biblical encounters could be a form of time travel. Anderson shares his research process, including his exploration of additional texts like the Book of Enoch for broader understanding. The episode concludes with a light-hearted discussion on time travel movies.
Introduction of Guest and Topic (00:00:45) Introducing Ryan Anderson, an author and father, and discussing the exciting and stretching topic they will be talking about.
Lucifer's Rebellion and the Gap Theory (00:04:16) Exploring the gap theory and discussing the different interpretations of Lucifer's rebellion against God.
The Fall of Lucifer and his Protest against Man (00:11:31) Ryan discusses the idea of Lucifer protesting man in the courts of heaven and the possible connection to Islamic, Jewish, and Gnostic traditions.
The Timing of the Fall of Angels (00:13:14) Ryan and Brandon speculate on whether the fall of angels occurred during the Garden of Eden and the potential implications of this perspective.
Different Viewpoints on the Fall of Satan (00:21:09) Ryan and Brandon explore the various beliefs and viewpoints regarding when Satan fell, highlighting the lack of a predominant perspective.
Time Travel in the Bible (00:24:32) Ryan discusses the possibility of time travel being a biblical concept, challenging philosophical objections.
Understanding Time and Eternity (00:29:09) Ryan explains that time was created by God and that He exists outside of time, being able to see the beginning, middle, and end.
Malleability of Time (00:33:05) Ryan cites examples from Scripture where time appears to be manipulated, such as Hezekiah's request for the sundial's shadow to go backward and Joshua's command for the sun and moon to stand still.
E59 Logical Fallacy: Ad Hominem
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 • Duration 16:29
In this episode the hosts discuss logical fallacies, focusing on ad hominem attacks. They introduce Brandon Wallace as a new co-host and announce his new podcast, "Truth and Shadow," launching in November. The hosts explore different types of ad hominem attacks, including circumstantial ad hominem and guilt by association, and the fallacy of arguing from commitment. They emphasize the importance of constructive dialogue and avoiding personal attacks. The hosts also discuss the credentials fallacy, sharing personal experiences and emphasizing the need for logical arguments supported by evidence. UPCOMING LOGICAL FALLACIES- in our MEMBERS ONLY COMMUNITY APP.
Ad Hominem Attacks (00:03:08) Discussion about ad hominem logical fallacy, where an argument attacks a person instead of dealing with the argument itself.
Circumstantial Ad Hominem (00:04:44) Explanation of circumstantial ad hominem, which points out that someone's circumstances or attributes determine their viewpoint.
Guilt by Association (00:06:14) Discussion of guilt by association, attacking a person's associates instead of addressing the argument.
Ad Hominem Attacks and Educational Credentials (00:11:07) The hosts discuss the ad hominem logical fallacy and how it is often used to attack someone's educational credentials.
Attacking Based on School Affiliation (00:11:45) The hosts mention the fallacy of attacking someone based on the school they attended, using the example of being accused of not being able to speak thoroughly about evangelical topics because of attending a certain college etc
Importance of Constructive Dialogue and Avoiding Name-Calling (00:13:20) The hosts emphasize the need for constructive dialogue, avoiding personal attacks, and focusing on logic and evidence to support claims instead of name-calling.
E58 Classic Cryptids with Dr. Judd Burton
Monday, October 30, 2023 • Duration 01:06:24
In this episode, host Brandon introduces guest host Kenny and they discuss the biblical connections of classic cryptids like vampires and werewolves, with insights from historian and author Dr. Judd Burton. Kenny shares his experience with vampireology class and they explore the concept of "vampire zero" as a supernatural disease. The conversation also touches on the potential demonic origins of cryptids, their physical characteristics, and possible connections to biblical creatures. They delve into the biblical directive against the Amalekites, speculating on a potential link to vampirism.
Timestamps: [00:01:44] The biblical backing for classic cryptids
[00:03:16] The impact of Dr. Judd Burton's vampireology class
[00:08:21] Vampires and their biblical connections
[00:13:30] The danger of making vampires laudable: The hosts discuss the danger of portraying vampires as cool and desirable, despite their historical association with curses and evil.
[00:18:19] Vampires and the Antediluvian World
[00:21:21] Vampires in the Old Testament: The speaker talks about Lilith, a night demon mentioned in Isaiah 34 and Psalms, known for feeding on the blood of innocent children and stealing the life force of men.
[00:26:58] The Alukah : A Vampire Demon
[00:27:35] The vampire-werewolf connection
[00:28:29] Biblical references to cryptids
[00:29:34] Translation and cultural influences
[00:36:58] Vampire Zero
[00:37:53] Chimeric Nephilim and Possession
[00:44:02] Dogman and Werewolves
[00:46:20] The werewolf and dogman behaviors
E57 Primer on Freemasonry
Monday, October 23, 2023 • Duration 01:13:40
In this episode, hosts Brandon and Lindsy, along with guest Amy, discuss Freemasonry and secret societies. They delve into the history of Freemasonry, its connections to the Knights Templar and stone masonry guilds, and its various branches. The conversation also covers the initiation rites, practices, and symbolism within these societies. The hosts and Amy discuss the psychological tactics used by these societies to manipulate their members and the importance of questioning and understanding their core beliefs. They also touch on the infiltration of secret societies into various facets of society, including government, arts, and media. The episode concludes with a discussion on the tactics used by secret societies to exert influence.
[00:22:05] The initiation rites and Christian influence
[00:23:07] Fraternities and secret societies
[00:26:59] Similarities between witchcraft and Freemasonry
[00:33:06] The term "Worshipful Master
[00:34:07] Misleading and lying in secret societies
[00:37:20] Psychological warfare and deception in secret societies
[00:43:14] The importance of asking questions
[00:44:17] Jesus as a brilliant man
[00:45:18] The need for fellowship and acceptance
[00:54:16] The history of secret societies
[00:55:34] Symbols and celebrities
E56 Rediscovering God's Divine Design
Monday, October 16, 2023 • Duration 01:03:46
In this episode, Author and Pastor, Doug Levy, and former member of a Christian heavy metal band, delves into his personal faith journey and his book titled "Are We Doing Church Wrong? Rediscovering God's Divine Design for His Church". He highlights his belief that the contemporary church often veers away from the biblical blueprint, stressing the significance of perceiving the church as a family and bride before assuming the roles of a body or army. Doug also explores the transition towards a more relational and organic church model, and recounts a remarkable supernatural encounter that led him to meet his wife. https://unrefinedpodcast.com 5foundationsbook@gmail.com Book: https://amzn.to/3wFEES7
Timestamps: [00:01:09] Doug's background and journey to faith
[00:07:28] Living in Los Angeles and reasons for moving back
[00:09:35] The journey to faith and writing the book
[00:10:39] Teaching and writing the book
[00:12:57] The five foundational identities of the church
[00:20:23] The importance of community and building strong communities of Christ followers
[00:21:35] The emphasis on modeling rather than just teaching in the church
[00:23:17] The danger of idolizing past movements and traditions in the church
[00:30:34] The importance of the field before the building
Timestamps: The Book "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" (00:02:01) The hosts discuss the book by Charles Simon, which challenges previous beliefs about the population and civilizations in the Americas before Columbus.
Quetzalcoatl and Mesoamerican Mythology (00:09:21) The hosts explore the figure of Quetzalcoatl in Aztec and Mayan mythology, discussing its connection to the feathered serpent and its presence in ancient Mesoamerican art.
The Feathered Serpent and Creation (00:12:17) Discussion on the symbolism of the handbag-like object in Mesoamerican art and its connection to creation.
The Origins of the Feathered Serpent (00:12:52) Exploration of the earliest depictions of the feathered serpent in Olmec and Maya art and its association with conjuring and ancestor worship.
Quetzalcoatl and the Maya (00:14:37) Explanation of the different names and influences on the figure of Quetzalcoatl in Aztec, Maya, and Toltec mythology, and the presence of the feathered serpent in Maya artwork.
The creation of different suns (00:27:53) The hosts discuss the Aztec and Mayan belief in different eras with different suns, each representing a new attempt at creating something like human beings.
Survivors of the flood turned into dogs (00:33:21) In the legends of the sun, two survivors of a flood are turned into dogs by the gods after they offend them by smoking up the heavens while cooking fish.
Quetzalcoatl stealing the bones from the underworld (00:34:36) Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent, is sent into the underworld to steal the bones of the previous people destroyed in the flood, possibly the bones of giants.
The Origins of Corn (00:38:13) The hosts discuss the creation of the first humans from the blood of the feathered serpent and the bones of the ancient giants, and the introduction of corn as the sacred food.
Symbolism of Corn in Mesoamerican Mythology (00:41:39) The hosts explore the interconnectedness between all life symbolized by the creation of man from maize, and the significance of corn as a staple in our diets.
The Process of Preparing Corn (00:44:59) The hosts discuss the ancient process of using lime to wash corn in order to make it edible, and the secret knowledge behind the discovery of this method.
The Feathered Serpent and Quetzalcoatl (00:47:49) The hosts discuss the figure of Quetzalcoatl in Aztec and Mayan mythology, and its connection to the feathered serpent.
The Hero Twins and Defeating the Monster (00:50:23) The hosts explore the story of the hero twins defeating the monster, Seven Macaw, and the significance of this common theme in Native American mythology.
Creation of Humans from Corn and Serpent Blood (00:57:27) The hosts discuss the various attempts to create humans, including the mixing of corn dough with the blood of a serpent deity, and the repudiation of the line of Noah.
Quetzalcoatl and his origins (00:59:59) Discussion on the figure of Quetzalcoatl, his miraculous birth, and his role as a Toltec priest king.
The dark mirror image of Quetzalcoatl (01:03:45) Exploration of the contrasting figure of Tezcatlipoca, also known as Tescatlipoca, who works against Quetzalcoatl and takes part in the creation.
Quetzalcoatl and the morning star (01:05:06) Connection between Quetzalcoatl and the morning star, as well as the interpretation of ancient Mesoamerican art depicting Quetzalcoatl leaving on a raft of snakes.
The Dresden Codex (01:13:01) The hosts mention the Dresden Codex, a codex that listeners can find out more about in relation to Mayan mythology.
History and Mythology of the Aztecs (01:13:31) The book "History and Mythology of the Aztecs" by John Beer Horst is mentioned as a source for the legends of the sun.
Cultural Appreciation (01:14:14) The hosts discuss the importance of cultural appreciation and learning about other cultures, celebrating uniqueness.
Russ Dizdar and Investigating Satanic Crimes (00:05:31)
Tom's Oldest Son Elijah (00:11:19) Tom discusses his oldest son Elijah and the prayer he prayed before his birth, expressing his excitement and anticipation for the work and ministry to come.
The Divorce and its Impact on Elijah's Faith (00:12:58) Elijah's strong faith was affected by his parents' divorce when he was nine years old, leading to a gradual drift away from his faith.
Elijah's Rebellion and Struggles (00:15:14) Elijah's rebellion and search for acceptance led him to engage in harmful behaviors and have a darkening heart.
Answered Prayers and Elijah's Return Home (00:21:25) After years of prayer and fasting, Elijah reached a turning point, called his father, and expressed his desire to come home, leading to his return and newfound sobriety.
The Journey of Growth (00:23:27) Tom discusses his son's spiritual growth and the changes he has observed in his behavior. A Scary Situation (00:24:38) Tom shares a story about his son being in a dangerous situation while riding with someone who was taking drugs. The Power of Hope (00:30:56) Tom talks about the encouragement he finds in studying God's word and how it has strengthened his faith and hope in difficult times. The Divorce and Forgiveness (00:35:08) Tom shares his personal experience of going through a divorce and how it taught him about forgiveness. The Importance of God Being Real (00:36:17) Brandon and Tom discuss the significance of God being real to their children and the impact it has on their faith. The Powerful Presence of God (00:41:11) Tom recalls a supernatural experience at a Christian music festival where the presence of God was so powerful that people were deeply moved and experienced spiritual manifestations. The lost loved ones (00:47:11) Tom prays for those who have lost loved ones and asks for strength and encouragement to continue praying for their salvation.
Moses' Encounter with God (00:36:07) Moses pleads with God to show him His glory and God reveals His goodness while covering Moses with His hand.
Elijah on Mount Sinai (00:39:56) Elijah, after a bold confrontation with false prophets, runs away and is instructed by God to go to Mount Sinai. God passes by and reveals Himself to Elijah.
Jesus on the High Mountain (00:43:57) Peter, James, and John accompany Jesus to a high mountain, possibly Mount Sinai, where Jesus is transfigured and reveals His glory to them.
The Transfiguration (00:44:56) Jesus is transfigured before Peter, James, and John, and Moses and Elijah appear before them.
Moses and the Ten Commandments (00:45:54) Moses rewrites the Ten Commandments after being with Jesus on the mount, and his face is glowing.
Elijah's Boldness and Anointing (00:46:50) Elijah becomes bold, anoints a new king, and gains a new helper, Elisha, after being with Jesus on the mount.
The deep revelation of Scripture (00:56:40) Discussion on how the understanding of Scripture goes beyond surface-level and continues to reveal deeper truths over time.
The value of non-inspired books (00:59:14) Exploration of the apocrypha and other non-inspired books as sources of valuable information that shed light on the Word of God.
Favorite time travel movie: "About Time" (01:04:49) Ryan Anderson shares his favorite time travel movie, "About Time," and describes its plot and themes.
The movie with two names (01:07:06) Discussion about a movie with Ryan Reynolds that has two names and is considered vulgar but cute and funny.
Ryan Reynolds' little kid version (01:07:34) Remembering a movie with Ryan Reynolds where he played a character that resembled his little kid version.
Unidentified movie (01:07:38) The hosts and guest discuss a movie they can't remember the name of and ask the audience for help in identifying it.
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[00:47:09] Bipedalism and quadrupedalism of dogman
[00:49:08] The possibility of cryptids using portals
[00:56:28] The link between vampirism and the Amalekites
[00:59:32] The significance of the blood drinkers attacking the Hebrews
[01:01:13] A paranormal experience involving a spell and car accidents
[01:00:46] Infiltration and control
[01:04:33] The brainwashing tactics
[01:06:06] The core of secret societies
[01:10:44] The need for discernment
[00:32:31] Changing the focus from receiving to giving in church culture
[00:38:08] Unity and collaboration among different churches
[00:41:37] The shift towards house churches
[00:44:26] Unity in the church through mission
[00:48:47] The importance of the great commission and the great commandment
[00:51:32] Meeting Wife and the Heavy Metal Church
[00:53:04] Hearing the Audible Voice of God
[00:56:18] The Importance of Organic Church
[01:01:21] Reaching out to Doug
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