Welcome to Two Women Chatting - the podcast where midlife gets real, inspiring, and finds the joy in our second chapter. Hosted by broadcaster and book lover Michelle Ford, each week we dive into the topics that matter most to women in their 40s, 50s and beyond: midlife reinvention, menopause, confidence, parenting grown-up kids, and navigating relationships.
From bestselling authors like Elizabeth Day, and Donna Ashworth to wellbeing experts, celebrities, and women with extraordinary stories, Two Women Chatting is a space for connection, laughter, and wisdom.
If you’re searching for a podcast about midlife, menopause, women’s health, book club recommendations, lifestyle and inspiration, you’re in the right place.
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In the final episode of Season 7, Michelle sits down with Sara Davison, The Divorce Coach, to discuss the intricacies of navigating divorce in midlife. The conversation delves into the unique challenges faced by individuals during this stage of life and explores why divorce becomes more common, touching on factors such as empty nest syndrome and shifting priorities. Sara offers practical advice on finding a divorce lawyer, managing the cost of divorce, and understanding the different avenues available for ending a marriage.
Key Insights:
🎙️Divorce in Midlife: Divorce in midlife can be a challenging experience, but there are resources and support available to help individuals navigate this process. Sara emphasises the importance of building a support team and seeking professional advice.
🎙️Choosing the Right Divorce Lawyer: It is important to carefully choose a divorce lawyer who aligns with your needs and goals for the divorce. Sara shares tips on what to look for in a lawyer to ensure a smoother process. You set the tone for the divorce on the type of lawyer you choose.
🎙️Recognising and Addressing Toxic Relationships: Toxic relationships can be difficult to recognize, but it is crucial to take back your power and seek help from domestic abuse charities if necessary. Sara highlights the signs to look out for and steps to regain control.
🎙️Handling Divorce with a Narcissist: We really dig into how to handle approaching a break-up with a controlling or narcissistic partner in the second half of this episode. For anyone experiencing this kind of relationship, Sara’s guidance here for your emotional and physical wellbeing is really valuable.
🎙️Taking Back Your Power: Building a support team of friends, family, and professionals can provide emotional and practical support during the divorce process. Sara also discusses the importance of securing your financial resources and being well-informed about your financial situation.
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About Sara Davison: Connect with Sara Davison, known for her expertise in helping individuals through divorce and rebuilding their lives. Website: saradavison.com | Instagram: @saradavisondivorcecoach
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Jacynth Bassett | Let's drop the 'Best Before' date on Women
Season 7 · Episode 9
Monday, July 1, 2024 • Duration 30:15
In this episode, Michelle sits down with Jacynth Bassett, a leading pioneer and voice in the anti-ageism movement. Jacynth founded 'Ageism is Never in Style', a global consultancy, campaign, and community dedicated to addressing ageism in all its forms. Join them as they explore the impact of ageism on individuals of all ages and genders, and the intersectionality between ageism and sexism. Jacynth was behind viral campaigns #ILookMyAge #RemoveAntiFromAging viewed 40 million plus times on social media!
Key Insights:
🎙️The Impact of Ageism: Ageism affects individuals of all ages and genders. Jacynth discusses how ageist narratives and stereotypes permeate society and the importance of challenging these harmful perceptions.
🎙️Ageism at Any Age: Jacynth, being young in the industry, is walking proof that ageism can happen at any age. She shares her personal experiences and the unique challenges she faces as a young advocate in the anti-ageism movement.
🎙️Intersectionality of Ageism and Sexism: Ageism intersects with other forms of discrimination, such as sexism. Jacynth delves into the ways gendered ageism affects women and the need for a more inclusive approach in various industries.
🎙️Combating Ageism: Self-awareness and informed choices are crucial in combating ageism. Jacynth shares insights on how individuals and industries can become more age-inclusive and the growing appetite for conversations addressing ageism."
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Episode Resources: About Jacynth Bassett: Connect with Jacynth Bassett, the founder of 'Ageism is Never in Style' and a leading advocate for age inclusivity. Website: ageismisneverinstyle.com | Instagram: @jacynthbassett
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Jenny Eclair | Life After Menopause
Season 6 · Episode 12
Tuesday, March 26, 2024 • Duration 36:44
Join Michelle and Liz for a lively and candid conversation with Jenny Eclair, the comedic pioneer and author of acclaimed novels like 'Writing on the Wall' and 'Older and Wider'. In this episode, aptly titled 'Life After Menopause,' Jenny shares her anecdotes and insights on ageing, friendships, the entertainment industry, and the often hilarious, yet sometimes challenging journey of post-menopause.
Key Insights:
🎙️ Embracing Life After Menopause: "Jenny Eclair invites us into the world beyond menopause, revealing it as a realm of self-discovery and newfound authenticity."
🎙️ Battling Ageism in Showbiz: "Explore the trenches of the entertainment industry with Jenny as she candidly discusses the uphill battle against ageism. Her experiences shed light on the hurdles faced by older women in the limelight."
🎙️ Navigating Youth and Ageing: "Delve into the intricate dance between preserving youthfulness and embracing the beauty of ageing. Jenny's insights offer a roadmap for gracefully navigating societal pressures and finding fulfillment at every age."
🎙️ Debunking Menopause Myths: "Join Jenny as she unravels the myths and misconceptions surrounding menopause, debunking stereotypes with wit and wisdom. It's a hilarious yet enlightening exploration of a topic often shrouded in taboo."
🎙️ Redefining Midlife Friendships: "Friendships in midlife undergo a metamorphosis, and Jenny's anecdotes offer both laughter and introspection. Discover the nuances of evolving relationships and the value of authentic connections."
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Episode Resources:
About Jenny Eclair: Connect with Jenny Eclair, the comedic genius and author known for her witty novels like 'Writing on the Wall' and 'Older and Wider', as she continues to challenge norms and entertain audiences.
Bonnie Langford: Back in Dr Who's Tardis!
Season 6 · Episode 11
Tuesday, March 19, 2024 • Duration 36:37
Picture this: celebrating 50 illustrious years in showbiz and still effortlessly doing the splits on stage!? Join Liz and Michelle as they sit down with the legendary Bonnie Langford on the Two Women Chatting Podcast. From her recent role in 'Stephen Sondheim's Old Friends' to her return to the Tardis in the new Doctor Who series, Bonnie Langford shares her insights on staying vibrant and embracing new opportunities in midlife.
Key Insights:
🎙️ Escapism Through Work: Bonnie discusses how acting serves as an escape from reality and the reason she continues to strive in her craft, holding her duty to put on a good show of the utmost importance.
🎙️ Early Stage Influences: Reflecting on her early stage career, Bonnie shares how growing up in showbiz shaped her and the importance of knowing how to behave (and how not to behave).
🎙️ Greatness in Gratitude: Bonnie expresses gratitude for having privacy in her early years in showbiz, a luxury not always granted to young performers today due to social media and external influences.
🎙️ ‘How Old Am I?’: Bonnie emphasizes not putting an age limit on anything, ‘I don’t even know how old I am and I don’t care.’ She reiterates that midlife is about embracing new chapters and opportunities, if you find you can no longer do something, there is always something else.
Episode Resources:
About Bonnie Langford: Connect with Bonnie and stay updated on her latest projects.
Inspiring Inclusion: International Women's Day Special
Season 6 · Episode 10
Wednesday, March 13, 2024 • Duration 34:07
Join Liz and Michelle for an extraordinary episode of Two Women Chatting, celebrating the spirit of International Women's Day at Wentworth Club. This special compilation brings you the highlights from the event where women from all walks of life gathered to champion inclusion and solidarity.
Key Insights:
🎙️Demanding a Seat at the Table: Guests discuss how they are done asking for permission and tackle issues such as fair access to healthcare, equal pay, and not relying on ‘allies’ to get the job done. 'No, you don't get today too!' - Jamie Klinger.
🎙️Inspiring Inclusion: In a bid to carry forward the mission of inspiring inclusion and equality, the panel discussion serves as a reminder of the progress made and the work yet to be done in women's rights worldwide. "Today makes such a difference. I’ve met so many beautiful people in one room, it was a huge success." - Anthea Turner.
🎙️70 Episodes Later: Michelle Ford reflects on how far the podcast has come. "Two years ago, starting with no celebrity connections, we couldn’t have imagined filling Wentworth’s ballroom with such an incredible group of supportive, well-known women and achieving podcast downloads in 95 countries. It proves that midlife is halfway through not halfway done. It’s never too late to pursue a passion or start anew."
🎙️Farewell to Liz: Co-host Liz Copping bids her farewell to Two Women Chatting. After two years, she sets off on her own midlife adventures, leaving behind a legacy of inspiring conversations and empowering insights.
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Janey McGill | It's Never Too Late For Adventure
Season 6 · Episode 9
Tuesday, March 5, 2024 • Duration 38:46
Join Michelle and Liz for a riveting conversation with Janey McGill as she shares her extraordinary experience leading an expedition with two Omani women across the Empty Quarter, the world's largest sand desert. Janey reflects on the challenges faced, personal growth attained, and the bonds forged with her team. Through her journey, she overcame imposter syndrome, emphasised the importance of setting personal goals, and shattered societal expectations.
Janey's film, "Arrowhead," captures the expedition's essence, promoting unity and breaking stereotypes. The conversation also explores the significance of appreciating surroundings, taking breaks, and prioritising self-care for overall well-being.
Key Insights:
🎙️ Embrace Challenges and Personal Goals: Janey's journey highlights the importance of embracing challenges and setting personal goals beyond societal constraints. Crossing the vast expanse of Rub’ al Khali, the Empty Quarter, they aimed to become the first modern women to conquer this barren waste.
🎙️ Overcoming Imposter Syndrome: Through self-reflection and a shift in mindset, Janey conquered imposter syndrome, and shared personal reflections of family trauma and upbringing which was brought to a forefront while in the desert.
🎙️ Cultural Unity and Humanity: Janey's expedition exemplifies how focusing on shared humanity breaks cultural barriers and stereotypes, promoting unity. ‘You get to the essence that the three of you are just women facing an enormous challenge and you're all the same’.
🎙️ Revelations in Extreme Environments: Stepping outside comfort zones reveals inner strengths and weaknesses, fostering personal growth.
Episode Resources:
Connect with Janey on social media for more inspiring stories and updates.
Ever wondered what it means to be a Queenager? Is midlife truly a time for rediscovery and empowerment?
Join Michelle and Liz in conversation with Eleanor Mills, the founder of Noon, an online community dedicated to empowering women in midlife. In this episode, they delve into the unique challenges and triumphs faced by women over 50, exploring the need for a fresh narrative and media representation.
👑 What is a Queenager?
Eleanor Mills defines a Queenager as a woman in her midlife who embraces her wisdom, experience, and power. It's a term that challenges societal norms and celebrates the strength that comes with age. In this episode, Eleanor shares insights into what it means to be a Queenager and how embracing this identity can lead to a fulfilling and purposeful chapter in life.
Key Takeaways:
🎙️ Recalibrating Perception: "Eleanor Mills advocates for a new narrative surrounding women in midlife. It's a call to challenge stereotypes and embrace the power and wisdom that comes with being a Queenager."
🎙️ Media Representation Challenges: "Explore the struggles Eleanor faces in obtaining media representation for women over 50. The conversation sheds light on the beauty-focused media landscape and the need for change."
🎙️ Queen-Ager Wisdom: "Eleanor shares insights into the challenges of gendered ageism and double standards faced by older women. It's a conversation about rewriting societal norms and embracing a new chapter in life."
🎙️ Shaping Midlife Feminism: "Explore the evolving dynamics of midlife feminism and the crucial role of reshaping corporate culture. Eleanor emphasizes finding joy, rediscovering passions, and building a supportive tribe in midlife."
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BA Paris | A New Chapter in Midlife
Season 6 · Episode 7
Tuesday, February 20, 2024 • Duration 32:01
Ever found yourself wanting to start a new chapter in midlife? Have you got a book in you? Join Liz and Michelle in an eye-opening conversation with the incredible B.A. Paris, bestselling author of psychological thrillers, ‘Behind Closed Doors’ and ‘The Guest’ as she takes us through her inspiring journey of transitioning to a successful writing career in her 50s.
Key Insights:
🎙️ Reinventing Midlife: "It's never too late to pursue your passion. Midlife can be the perfect time for a fulfilling career change and self-discovery."
🎙️ The Publishing Journey: "Finding an agent and getting published requires perseverance and adaptability. B.A. Paris shares her experience and valuable insights into navigating the competitive world of publishing."
🎙️ The Allure of Psychological Thrillers: "Discover why psychological thrillers continue to captivate readers. B.A. Paris sheds light on the genre's popularity and its unique ability to evoke fear and suspense."
🎙️ Crafting Stories: "Explore B.A. Paris's writing process, drawing inspiration from real-life stories, and the importance of adding depth and authenticity to fictional narratives."
🎙️ 'The Guest': "Get a sneak peek into B.A. Paris's latest novel, 'The Guest.' Learn about the inspiration behind the story and the creative process involved in bringing it to life."
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Episode Resources:
About B.A. Paris: Connect with Bernadette Paris, the mastermind behind gripping psychological thrillers.
Ever wondered how to redefine intimacy and maintain a satisfying sex life in midlife? Join Liz and Michelle as they dive into the complexities of midlife sex with the brilliant Kate Moyle, a leading expert in psychosexual therapy. Together, they unravel the intricacies of sex beyond intercourse, the importance of communication and fun in long-term relationships, and navigating changes in desire and intimacy. Michelle, Liz, and Kate explore body confidence, managing menopause, using sex toys, and addressing issues like erectile dysfunction.
Key Insights:
🎙️ Beyond the Basics: "Forget the old-school view of sex—it's more than just the usual stuff. The circular model says it's a diverse experience with 237 reasons why people get down to it. It's not just about making babies; there's a whole lot more to the story!"
🎙️ Body Confidence and Menopause: "Body confidence is about how we feel, not how we look. Engaging in activities that make you feel good in your body, such as wearing a texture that feels nice on your skin, can root you in sensations, fostering comfort and pleasure."
🎙️ Sex Toys and Openness: "Sex toys are a great addition at any stage, and they're not just about reaching orgasm. Incorporate them into non-genital play, make it fun, and choose together. Pleasure is the measure, and introducing them with a partner can be a great, laughter-filled adventure!""
🎙️ Health Benefits of Midlife Sex: "Maintaining a healthy sex life in midlife has numerous benefits, including strengthening the pelvic floor and improving overall well-being."
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Also check out our latest blog on Midlife Sexlife in our Midlife Library!
Neens and dB | Midlife Rants and Big Pants
Season 6 · Episode 5
Tuesday, February 6, 2024 • Duration 39:19
Join Michelle and Liz in a spirited conversation with Neens and dB from Rants and Big Pants, a dynamic space advocating for the representation and empowerment of midlife women. In this episode, they explore the origins of Rants and Big Pants, the impact of the menopause conversation, and the importance of normalising menopause experiences.
Key Insights:
🎙️ Creating Rants and Big Pants: "Neens and dB share the inspiration behind Rants and Big Pants, a platform challenging stereotypes and advocating for midlife women. It's a space where authenticity and representation matter."
🎙️ Menopause Conversations: "Discover the impact of discussing menopause openly and the need to normalise these experiences. The conversation sheds light on breaking down taboos and fostering understanding."
🎙️ Size by Side Campaign: "Explore the Size by Side campaign, a movement promoting body positivity and style for all sizes. The hosts delve into the importance of embracing diversity and challenging societal norms."
🎙️ OurPact for Child Safety: "Neens and dB discuss the dangers of the TikTok generation and how they use ‘OurPact’, a software for controlling children's social media usage, may be useful for listeners. It's a valuable insight into ensuring the safety of kids online and fostering responsible digital habits."
🎙️ Weekenders: "The conversation concludes with a preview of the upcoming Weekender organised by Rants and Big Pants. Michelle and Liz explore topics like authenticity, happiness, affordability, and empowering women."
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Episode Resources:
About Rants and Big Pants: Connect with Neens and dB, the visionaries behind Rants and Big Pants, redefining the narrative for midlife women.
Connect with Michelle at twowomenchatting@gmail.com for collaborations, ideas, and comments! Remember to rate, review, and share our show to join the laughter-filled conversation about midlife empowerment and beyond...
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Don't miss out on this inspiring conversation with Bonnie Langford. Tune in to the Two Women Chatting Podcast for insights on staying energized, navigating midlife, and embracing new opportunities!
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Connect with Michelle at twowomenchatting@gmail.com for collaborations, ideas, and comments! Remember to rate, review, and share our show to join the laughter-filled conversation about midlife empowerment and beyond...
Connect with Michelle at twowomenchatting@gmail.com for collaborations, ideas, and comments! Remember to rate, review, and share our show to join the laughter-filled conversation about midlife empowerment and beyond...
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Connect with Kate Moyle, a leading expert in psychosexual therapy.
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Tune in for an inspiring conversation on authenticity, empowerment, child safety, and creating a supportive space for midlife women with Neens and dB from Rants and Big Pants!'
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