Welcome to the Inclusive AF Podcast, your go-to destination for all things DEI, HR, and workplace inclusivity. Hosted by two BFFs with a combined decades of experience in the people space, Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton, this podcast is where candid conversations meet insightful, actionable strategies. Together, they dive deep into the complex (and often messy) world of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, exploring how to build workplaces that are not just diverse, but truly inclusive.
Katee is a dynamic Chief People Officer and DEI thought leader at WebPros, dedicated to shaping inclusive corporate cultures that empower underrepresented groups. With expertise in global HR strategy, leadership development, and talent management, Katee brings a wealth of knowledgeâand a sense of humorâto every episode.
Jackye, a seasoned HR tech and DEI professional, has spent over 15 years driving transformative change in the workplace. A connector at heart, she blends innovation, empathy, and data to craft inclusive work environments that thrive on diverse perspectives. Whether discussing the latest HR trends or sharing stories of workplace triumphs and struggles, Jackyeâs unique approach adds a bold, refreshing take to the conversation.
Together, Katee and Jackye have built a podcast that is as insightful as it is entertaining, with their signature banter and lighthearted humor making complex topics feel accessible and fun. Expect a mix of practical advice, personal stories, and monthly guest appearances from industry leaders and change-makers.
Whether you're an HR professional, a DEI champion, or simply someone passionate about creating better workplaces, Inclusive AF is the podcast thatâll inspire, challenge, and make you laugh. Tune in weekly for a fresh take on creating workplaces where everyone can show up as their true, authentic selves.
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Navigating AI Adoption in HR: From Shiny Tools to Meaningful Workforce Planning w/ Sarah & Sofia
Thursday, October 2, 2025 ⢠Duration 49:44
Ready to transform your HR strategy for the future of work? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, host Katee Van Horn sits down with Sophia Whelan and Sarah Smart, co-founders of Horizon Human, for an honest, insightful discussion about the evolving landscape of HR and Talent Acquisition in the age of AI.
Sophia and Sarah bring their expertise from top global organizations to break down how HR can drive trust, equity, and innovationâwithout falling for every "shiny" tech object. Discover why human-centered design matters more than ever, how to prepare your HR teams for the AI revolution, and the real impact of new regulations across the US and EU.
Youâll hear actionable strategies on:
- Identifying true pain points in HR processes
- Implementing AI ethically and effectively
- Building trust and transparency in organizations
- The crucial skills HR must prioritize for the future
- Real-world examples of team-level AI innovation
- Ensuring the candidate and employee experience remain front and center
If youâre an HR leader, practitioner, or just passionate about creating more inclusive workplaces through technology, you wonât want to miss this conversation!
Find Horizon Human here: https://www.horizonhuman.com/
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#HRStrategy #FutureOfWork #AIinHR #InclusiveWorkplace #HRLeadership #TrustInOrganizations #WorkforcePlanning #HumanCentricDesign #TalentAcquisition #EmployeeExperience #DEI #HorizonHuman #InclusiveAFPocast
Listen now and level up your HR game!
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HR Tech 2025: The Future of Retention Through Peer-Driven Recognition with Curtis Forbes
Wednesday, September 24, 2025 ⢠Duration 40:29
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đ¸ How can we make EVERYONE feel seen at workâwhile actually driving retention and business results? On this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, Katee Van Horn sits down with the dynamic Curtis Forbes (he/him)âformer jazz musician, serial entrepreneur, and founder of Mustard Hubâto jam about transforming workplace culture, recognition, and DEI through tech.
Curtis shares his unique journey from the jazz stage to launching an AI-powered employee engagement platform and dives into:
- What it means to truly "feel seen" at work
- How peer-driven recognition (not just top-down!) drives retentionâespecially for underrepresented voices
- Avoiding the recognition âblind spotâ that leaves diverse contributions unnoticed
- How predictive analytics and AI can pinpoint burnout, turnover risk, and even opportunities for growth
- Success stories in education and private equity that saved $$$ and improved culture
- Why building intentionally inclusive cultures is a MUST for all organizations, big or small!
If youâre an HR leader, people manager, DEI advocate, or just curious about the future of recognition tech, this episode will give you tools, ideas, and inspiration for your workplace.
Donât miss Curtisâ HR Tech sneak peeks, real-world impact stats, and fun stories from the world of jazz and karaoke!
đ Drop your experiences, questions, and favorite recognition wins in the comments!
đ Want to demo Mustard Hub at HR Tech? Find them at booth 6414 A N M.
#InclusiveAF #DEI #HRTech #EmployeeEngagement #WorkplaceCulture #Recognition #Retention #FutureOfWork #PeopleAnalytics #AI #HRTech2024
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Navigating Uncertainty: Building Inclusive Cultures and Resilient Leaders w/ Dr. Carol Parker Walsh
Thursday, August 28, 2025 ⢠Duration 52:16
Ready for a fresh, honest take on workplace inclusion and leadership? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn are joined by Dr. Carol Parker Walsh, an expert in organizational culture and psychological safety. They dive deep into whatâs really going on in todayâs workplaces: layoffs in DEI, the pressures of AI, burned-out leaders, and the ever-changing expectations for managers.
Whether youâre unsure about your next career move, trying to foster belonging on your team, or simply want to stay ahead in a rapidly changing job marketâthis episode is full of practical advice and âaha!â moments. Learn how to control what you can, ask the right questions (of yourself and others), and leverage new tools like AI to build thriving workplaces.
đ Subscribe and listen for:
- Real talk about DEI layoffs and their impact on marginalized employees
- How organizations are (finally) embedding inclusion into their DNA
- Tips for finding your next role in the age of AI
- Why psychological safety is the new must-have skill for leaders
- How to hit âresetâ on your career and thrive, even during uncertainty
Donât forget to check out Dr. Carol Parker Walshâs podcast âPeople Forwardâ and connect with her for leadership development tips!
#InclusiveAF #DiversityAndInclusion #WorkCulture #PsychologicalSafety #CareerDevelopment #AIWorkplace #Leadership #WorkplaceInclusion #PeopleForward #Podcast
⨠Like, comment, and share if this episode sparks new ideas for youâand let us know your top takeaway in the comments!
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Would You Rather: DEI Hot Takes and Real Talk With Jackye and Katee
Thursday, August 21, 2025 ⢠Duration 44:05
Ready for a refreshingly REAL conversation about diversity, equity, and inclusion? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn turn up the fun with a rapid-fire âWould You Rather: DEI Editionâ game!
They tackle everything from DEI budgets vs. CEO support, to potlucks vs. unlimited PTO, dealing with microaggressions, navigating DEI strategy in the workplace, and even imagining BeyoncĂŠ or Lizzo at your next ERG Summit. If you need laughs, honesty, and actionable DEI insights, this episode is for YOU.
Whether youâre a DEI pro, HR leader, or anyone passionate about creating more inclusive workspaces, youâll find plenty to think aboutâand laugh aboutâhere. Plus, discover why Jackye is terrified of potlucks, why Katee hates explaining "weâre like a family," and their takes on unconscious bias, pronoun etiquette, and AI in hiring.
Hit LIKE if youâre ready to play along, SUBSCRIBE for more real-talk on inclusion, and COMMENT with your own âWould You Ratherâ answers!
đ Donât miss outâjoin the Inclusive AF community!
#DEI #Inclusivity #HRPodcast #WorkplaceCulture #Leadership #Equity #Podcast #Diversity #HumanResources #AI #WorkplaceInclusion #FunnyPodcast #Beyonce #Lizzo #PotluckFails #Teamwork
Listen now and let us know your thoughts below! đ
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Why Changing DEI Terms Wonât Change the Mission with Eric M. Bailey
Thursday, August 14, 2025 ⢠Duration 51:49
Welcome to another episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this insightful and candid conversation, we welcome back Eric M. Baileyâauthor of "The Cure for Stupidity"âto dig deep into the ever-evolving world of diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB) at work.
Things are shifting fast: DEI language is being weaponized, organizations are changing their approach (or just changing the name), and real change often feels stuck. Eric shares what heâs seeing in the field, how companies are struggling (or doubling down!) on inclusion, and why masking DEIB work with âsaferâ words doesnât actually change what matters mostâcreating spaces where everyone feels they belong.
We get real about:
- Why changing terminology (like removing âdiversityâ or âequityâ) misses the point
- The cultural backlash against DEI and how it affects workplaces and nonprofits
- How fear, discomfort, and misunderstood language create roadblocks (and why that discomfort is part of growth!)
- The power of curiosity and active listening to actually move inclusion forward
- Hilarious, relatable stories about idioms, travel, and what happens when cultural worlds collide
Whether youâre leading DEIB work, feeling discouraged by social and political barriers, or simply looking to grow and understand others better, this episode offers hope, wisdom, and a gentle push to stay curious, open, and kind.
âĄď¸ Donât forget to subscribe, like, and drop your thoughts in the comments!
Grab Ericâs book "The Cure for Stupidity": https://thecureforstupidity.com
#InclusiveAF #DEI #Belonging #DiversityAndInclusion #WorkplaceCulture #EricMBailey #CureForStupidity #Leadership #Curiosity #GrowthMindset #Podcast #WorkHuman #InclusionMattersIf you like what you hear, we would like to encourage you to subscribe to our channel!
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Navigating the VAâs DEI Rollback and The Real Cost to Veterans with Katee & Jackye
Wednesday, August 6, 2025 ⢠Duration 37:53
Welcome to another powerful episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! đď¸
In this episode, Jackye and Katee dive deep into the impact of the recent rollback of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives within the Department of Veterans Affairs. Discover how these changes are affecting marginalized veterans and active duty personnel, the removal of critical healthcare services (like gender-affirming care), and the troubling implications on mental health and suicide rates among our nationâs heroes.
We also unpack what organizations can do right now to support team members affected by these changesâcovering real, actionable strategies for HR teams and leaders, including mental health resources, employee assistance programs, and creative ways to foster community support inside and outside the workplace.
Plus, Jackye and Katee get candid about the emotional toll of these developments, the importance of taking care of each other, and how small, everyday acts of kindness and advocacy matter more than ever in times like these.
Whether you're an HR pro, a DEI advocate, or just someone who cares about inclusion, this episode offers tangible ideas and heartfelt guidance to help you make a difference.
Donât forget to like, subscribe, and join the conversation in the comments below. How is your community supporting those most affected by these changes? đŹ
#InclusiveAF #VeteransAffairs #DEI #MentalHealthMatters #TransRights #LGBTQSupport #DiversityAndInclusion #EmployeeWellbeing #SupportVeterans #CommunityCare
Listen in for real talk, resourceful ideas, and a reminder that supporting each other is the most inclusive thing we can do. đ
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What to Do When Work Feels Hopeless: Realities Facing Employees and HR Today with Katee & Jackye
Thursday, July 24, 2025 ⢠Duration 43:11
Welcome to the Inclusive AF Podcast! In our most recent episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn get real about what's happening in workplaces and in the world right now. From HR ethics scandals and employee morale drops to the impact of DEIB cuts and the increasing role of AI at work, we dive deep into the stories making headlinesâand the ones that should be.
We talk about:
- Why recent public scandals (think high-profile affairs at work!) shake company culture
- How the rollback of DEIB efforts and politicians' choices impact employees
- The truth behind return-to-office mandates, layoffs, and plummeting morale scores (like Dellâs ENPS!)
- How AI is changing daily work, what weâre missing in upskilling, and tools you should actually be using
- The real-life effects of legislative attacks on LGBTQ+ and other marginalized communities
- Why itâs so hard to feel good about your job when leadershipâs values donât match your own
- Plus: Using fear, distraction, and power plays to keep people disengagedâand what we can do to push back
We keep it honest, sometimes sassy, and always focused on how inclusivity, authenticity, and transparency can help us get through this wild year.
Hit like, subscribe, and be part of the conversation by commenting below. We want to know: What are you seeing at work? How are current events impacting your morale?
#InclusiveAF #WorkplaceCulture #DiversityAndInclusion #DEIB #HRpodcast #EmployeeMorale #AIEthics #LGBTQ #CurrentEvents #TeamCulture #ReturnToOffice #MentalHealthAtWork #AuthenticityAtWork
Donât forget to check out our recent episode with Lindiwe for serious self-care tips!
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From Burnout to Boundaries: Protecting Your Space in Challenging Times with Lindiwe Davis
Thursday, July 17, 2025 ⢠Duration 52:28
Ready for some real talk on navigating job pivots, protecting your mental health, and finding your purposeâespecially when it feels like the world is upside down? Join hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton for another empowering episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! đď¸
This week, returning guest Lindiwe Davis (aka The Couch Coach) is back to dish on:
- How to stay the course in your careerâeven when the path twists and turns
- Setting boundaries to protect your energy (and why thatâs 100% OK!)
- Embracing discomfort vs. struggling and the secret to smart pivots
- The power of community, courage, and giving yourself permission to just be
- Dealing with imposter syndrome and why it means youâre already doing the thing
Plus, get some laughs as the hosts talk dessert fixes, Love Island, and the fine line between foolishness, shenanigans, and insanity (ah, the workplace!).
If youâre looking for inspiration, practical coaching advice, and authenticity from people who have been through it (and survived to tell the tale), this episode is for you. Donât forget to subscribe, like, and drop your thoughts in the commentsâwe want to hear YOUR story, too!
#InclusiveAF #Podcast #CareerGrowth #MentalHealthMatters #StayTheCourse #JobPivot #Coaching #Boundaries #ImposterSyndrome #WomenInPodcasting #DiversityAndInclusion #RealTalk #Community
Tune in, get inspired, and remember: the price is the priceâso make it count for you. đ
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HRâs Wake Up Call: Auditing AI Tools After the Workday Bias Case with Katee & Jackye - Episode 155
Friday, July 11, 2025 ⢠Duration 36:46
đď¸ Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this must-listen episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn dive into one of the hottest and most pressing topics in HR: AI Bias in Recruitingâespecially focusing on the landmark Mobley vs. Workday lawsuit. With over 1.1 BILLION applications potentially impacted, what does this mean for your organization and your hiring practices?
We break down:
- The real risks of bias in AI-powered ATS systems like Workdayđ§
- What the Workday lawsuit means for companies (hint: itâs not just about tech, itâs about accountability!)
- The practical steps every HR professional and recruiter needs to take NOW to audit and protect their hiring funnel
- Why relying solely on AI isnât enough and how YOU hold the responsibility
- The right questions to ask your vendors to avoid being at the center of the next big discrimination case
Plus, we keep it real, weaving in candid stories from our careers, a few laughs about 90s Sun-In hair disasters, and our hot takes on the future of compliance.
Whether you're in HR, recruiting, or leadership, you can't afford to miss these insights on protecting your company, candidates, and reputation in the age of AI.
đ Donât forget to subscribe, like, and share! And keep your eyes peeled for our upcoming Inclusive AF swag storeâannounced soon!
#AIInRecruiting #HRTech #WorkdayLawsuit #InclusiveAF #DiversityHiring #AIBias #HRCompliance #Recruiting #DEI #HumanResources #ATS #WorkplaceEquity #AIAccountability
Listen NOW and get ahead of what's coming for HR and recruiting leaders everywhere! đŞ
Got questions, comments, or want to share your own story? Drop a comment belowâwe LOVE hearing from our Inclusive AF family!
ATS Vendor Evaluation Questions â Bias Detection & DEIB Alignment
Bias Detection & Mitigation
- How does your system detect or flag potential bias in candidate screening or selection?
- Do you conduct regular audits (internal or third-party) to assess disparate impact in hiring outcomes?
- Can you share the results of your most recent bias audit or fairness analysis?
- How do you monitor for demographic drop-off or funnel imbalances (e.g., by race, gender, age, disability)?
- Do you offer real-time alerts or bias flags during recruiter or hiring manager interactions?
Transparency & Explainability
- Can your algorithmic decisioning or scoring be explained to end users (e.g., recruiters, candidates)?
- Do you provide visibility into how candidate matches, rankings, or scores are calculated?
- How can recruiters override or contest algorithmic suggestions?
Anonymity & Data Privacy
- Does your platform offer blind screening (e.g., redacting names, photos, graduation dates)?
- How do you protect candidate PII (personally identifiable information) throughout the hiring process?
- Can recruiters be restricted from seeing demographic details to reduce unconscious bias?
Analytics & Reporting
- What diversity analytics or dashboards do you offer for tracking pipeline health and equity?
- Can we track pass-through rates by demographic category across stages (e.g., applied â screened â hired)?
- Do you offer any benchmarking to compare our data against industry or peer norms?
Compliance & Regulation
- How do you support compliance with local and global AI/HR laws (e.g., EEOC guidance, NYC Local Law 144, EU AI Act)?
- Do you provide the required disclosures and opt-outs for jurisdictions with AI bias laws?
- How do you stay current on regulatory changes impacting algorithmic hiring tools?
Commitment to DEIB
- How does your tool support our DEIB goals beyond just compliance (e.g., inclusive language checkers, diverse sourcing tools)?
- Do you work with DEIB consultants, advisory boards, or audit partners to review your tech?
- What ongoing improvements are planned to ensure fairness and accessibility in your platform?
Getting Inclusive AF with Dr. Rebecca Eldredge - Episode 154
Monday, June 16, 2025 ⢠Duration 52:13
Ready to explore what real inclusion and well-being look likeâespecially for those doing the heavy lifting on the frontlines of change?
On this episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton are joined by Dr. Rebecca Eldridge, a licensed psychologist with 20+ years of expertise in multicultural issues and organizational well-being. Together, they dig into the often-overlooked toll of fighting for equity (especially for Black and Brown women), intergenerational trauma, and why self-care isnât just a buzzwordâitâs essential for sustainable change.
Youâll hear actionable advice for leaders navigating tough topics like global conflict at work, the importance of psychological safety, and why âfinding your calmâ matters (even if it feels uncomfortable or impossible). Plus, thereâs real talk about burnout, what organizations get wrong about DEI, and how small changes can have big impact.
If you care about inclusion, employee wellness, or the âreal workâ of creating changeâthis episode is both validating and a must-listen.
đ Listen, learn, and join the conversation!
#InclusiveAF #DEI #WorkplaceWellbeing #WomenInLeadership #PsychologicalSafety #Burnout #SelfCare #SocialJustice #Leadership #Podcast #InclusionMatters #MentalHealthAtWork
đ Drop your thoughts in the comments! How does your workplace support (or NOT support) well-being for DEI leaders and changemakers?
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