The Centre for Army Leadership Podcast – Details, episodes & analysis

In this episode, we’re thrilled to welcome Warren Gatland, the legendary Head Coach of the Welsh National Rugby team. With a remarkable career spanning both playing and coaching at the highest levels, Warren’s story is one of passion and dedication. 

Born in New Zealand, Warren began his rugby journey on the fields of his homeland, eventually earning a place in the All Blacks. His transition into coaching led to success across the Irish and English leagues before taking the helm of the Welsh national team from 2007 to 2019. Under his leadership, Wales secured three Six Nations Grand Slam titles and reached two Rugby World Cup semi-finals. Warren also made his mark as Head Coach of the British and Irish Lions, leading successful tours in 2013 and 2017. Now, he’s back with Wales, ready to inspire and lead the team once again.

In this episode we speak to former England cricketer, coach and now performance psychologist, Jeremy Snape. Jeremy's cricketing and coaching success at the highest levels proceeded a career which has branched out into performance psychology in other sports and the business world to. He offers a captivating perspective on how leadership is about doing the right thing, which is well aligned to the Army's perspective of leadership, grounded in our Values and Standards. Jeremy's moment of inspiration, driving him on to the path of leadership development and performance psychology actually came from a moment of failure on his part, from a mistake on a single ball during a high-profile match. Jeremy also spoke about the value of when to analyse difficult moments and when to rely on instinct to get you through, and the skill involved in recognising which approach to use when - something the Army recognise as situational leadership; matching the right leadership style and skills to the people that need leading in a particular moment.

To follow Jeremy on LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/jeremysnape Explore Sporting Edge: www.sportingedge.com                                          For his podcast: https://shorturl.at/iKPS3 

In this episode, we speak to US Army Major Ben Ordiway and Lt Colonel Kevin Cutright, based at the United States Military Academy at Westpoint. We discuss their developing concepts of Moral Terrain Coaching and how to consider empathy towards our adversary to gain an operational advantage. Both concepts are fundamentally important when the stakes are high, and for leaders to make time to engage with, train and practice the practical execution of morals, ethics and empathy if we are to prevail against our enemies, but also to protect our own forces. At its most basic level, there can be positive tactical advantages gained from being increasingly empathetic towards adversaries by understanding and anticipating them better, and being able to defeat them in more nuanced ways. 

In this episode, we speak to Tony Adams MBE, a football icon renowned for his remarkable contributions to Arsenal and the England national team. Tony's career spans playing at the pinnacle of the sport, where he not only showcased his prowess on the field but also in his captaincy for England. Beyond his playing days, he undertook a coaching and managerial journey that transcended international borders.

Yet, among the triumphs in both playing and management, we delve into the poignant moments of Tony's life - specifically, his challenges with alcohol addiction and mental health. Our discussion navigates the complexities of Tony's leadership approach, both on the pitch and throughout his personal life. We examine how he effectively managed the relentless pressures inherent in leading at the highest echelons of the sport, offering a profound insight into the resilience required to navigate such a demanding and spotlighted career.

In this episode, our host Colonel Henry Llewellyn-Usher speaks with Commander UK Strategic Command, General Sir James (Jim) Hockenhull, KBE, ADC Gen. General Jim commissioned into the Intelligence Corps in 1986 and has extensive operation experience across the globe. His Staff experience includes role at the UK Ministry of Defence, and at the US Command and General Staff College. He has extensive experience working in and with multinational forces. He was Chief of Campaign Plans in Headquarters Multinational Force Iraq, and Chief Plans at Headquarters Allied Rapid Reaction Corps (ARRC) and subsequently deployed to Afghanistan. On promotion to Brigadier in 2009, he assumed the role of Director Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) at Army Headquarters, and in Sep 2011 he returned to the Ministry of Defence as Head Military Strategic Planning. In June 2013, he was promoted to Major General, and deployed to Kabul as Director of the Ministry of Defence Advisory Group, before taking up his post as Director Cyber Intelligence and Information Integration in Mar 2015. In Dec 2018, General Jim assumed the appointment of Chief of Defence Intelligence on promotion to Lieutenant General. In 2022 General Hockenhull was appointed Commander UK Strategic Command.

In this episode, we speak to Lieutenant General Ian Cave CB, as he reflects on his imminent departure as Commander Home Command.

General Cave speaks about how he views leader development as a whole-career endeavour, and how his early leadership lessons continue to impact on his leadership style today. He speaks about the importance of self-awareness, and the ability to adjust his leadership style to the varied situations he has found himself in as a military commander. He also speaks about the strengths of young people in the Army today, and how he welcomes both the expectations they have of their leaders, and their modern approach to how they apply their own leadership styles.

General Cave notes the spirit of openness and the value of welcoming challenge in a leadership approach as a great start point, but that this needed to be routinely practiced and rewarded within the team if it is to become genuinely effective. He also shares his view that humility was the most preeminent trait in great leadership, and that humour, of the right nature, and at the right time, can go a long way in lifting the morale of a team under pressure.

Finally, as he describes how it felt to be leading the military contribution to Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's funeral, and His Majesty King Charles III's coronation, he fell back on the value of wearing responsibilities lightly and using the Army's Values and Standards as the foundation for getting things right when under pressure.

In this episode we speak to Brigadier James Cook OBE, who commissioned into the Royal Artillery (RA) in 1995. He has served most of his Regimental Duty in 29 Commando Regiment RA and commanded 105 Regiment RA. He completed the Combat Arms Fighting Systems Course at the Royal College of Military Sciences in 1999, and has instructed soldiers in training as well as being a Company Commander at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.

As a member of the General Staff, he has focused on the future of warfare as Assistant Head of Concepts in Army HQ, been the Assistant Head of Career Management of the General Staff in the Army Personnel Centre, and is now Director of the work that is developing the future of the Army's personnel and talent management: Programme CASTLE.

He is also the Chairman of Army Rugby Union and a member of the Army Football Union Board, being appointed an OBE in 2016 for services to Army sport. He is also Chair of the RA historical committee, and the chair of both a Governors' and Parent Teachers' Association. He completed his Phd in 2020 on how the British Army transformed during the first World War.

In this episode our host, Lieutenant Colonel Dean Canham OBE, speaks to bestselling author, speaker and leadership and high-performance consultant, James Kerr. 

James has worked with elite teams around the world, across numerous sports, businesses and military units, developing their cultures and leadership in the pursuit of success at the very highest level. He is the author of the renowned global bestseller ‘Legacy’, which delivers a unique insight into the culture that drives the worlds most successful sporting team - The New Zealand All Blacks. His forthcoming book ‘Ethos: The Legacy Playbook’ is a practical guide for putting vision into action, and purpose into practice. 

James is emphatic in his belief that servant, or coaching, leadership must be the norm for successful leaders, and that leaders should consider themselves a resource for the teams that they have the privilege of leading. He emphasises the significance of adaptability in leadership, that it is imperative that leaders have the ability to change depending on the context of a situation, and though leadership provides complexities, self-awareness - or ‘leading from within’ - must be the start point of any leader’s journey. 

He comments on the people-centric nature of leadership, recognising that the ‘soft skills’ can actually prove to be some of the hardest to put into practice, but the rewards for doing so, are great. James suggests that leaders ‘make the weather’ in a team, and where climates add up to cultures, great cultures are founded in respect, humility, accountability, and psychological safety. Like us, James believes that the development of leadership should be a continual, through-life journey, where the character of a leader is ‘mission critical’. 

In this episode we speak to the Chief of the General Staff (CGS), General Sir Patrick Sanders, KCB, CBE, DSO, ADC Gen. Commissioned into the Royal Green Jackets (RGJ) in 1984, he served in Northern Ireland, Kosovo and Bosnia, before commanding the 2nd Battalion RGJ in 2005, where he managed their transition to become the 4th Battalion the Rifles, deploying with them to Iraq in 2007. In 2009, he commanded 20th Armoured Brigade, a role in which he deployed to Afghanistan to command Task Force Helmand in 2011. Subsequently, he served as the Chief of Defence Staff's Liaison Officer to the US Joint Chiefs of Staff in 2012, later becoming Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Operations) in the UK Ministry of Defence. Following his command of the 3rd (UK) Division in 2015, General Patrick assumed the role of Commander Field Army in 2016. He later took command of Joint Force Command (now Strategic Command) in 2019 and, in June 2022, became Chief of the General Staff and professional head of the British Army.

In the latest edition of the Centre for Army Leadership Podcast, we are joined by the Commander of the Army Special Operations Brigade, Brigadier Rob Hedderwick. Brigadier Rob talks to us about his role leading the brigade and their role in delivering persistent military assistance around the world. He talks to us about the democratisation of command and decision making within the brigade, highlighting how junior leaders are empowered and trusted to guide senior decision-making at the one and two start levels. To enable this, he highlights how leaders within the Ranger units must not only have the basic military skills to operate at reach, but they must also have the 'soft skills' to help build trust and relationships with partners from different cultures. More broadly, Brigadier Rob speaks to us about his personal leadership philosophy and the importance he places on not equating leadership with rank or position, instead valuing the collective experience and thoughts of a team.

A fascinating insight from the Commander of the Army Special Operations Brigade.