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Episode 7: Artificial Intelligence

Episode 7

Tuesday, April 14, 2026 • Duration 46:55

Artificial intelligence may be the most talked-about issue of our times. Simon and Gary bring the policy dimension of this issue to life, discussing historical analogues, how responsible AI might be brought about, and whether the US or China will emerge ahead on this increasingly important topic.

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Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration.

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Episode 6: Private Credit Under Pressure

Episode 6

Monday, April 6, 2026 • Duration 45:04

Simon and Gary provide a primer on private credit, a topic that's been in the news lately as investors seek to withdraw their money. They discuss what private credit is, why it developed, and whether you should be worried about these recent withdrawal attempts.

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Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration.

Episode 5: Prediction Markets

Episode 5

Monday, March 30, 2026 • Duration 45:59

Simon and Gary discuss prediction markets, where users can make bets on, well, just about anything. How do these markets work? Should they be regulated, and if so, under whose authority? What might happen if regulation is insufficient?

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Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration.

Episode 4: Is Greenland Next?

Episode 4

Monday, March 23, 2026 • Duration 43:51

Simon and Gary unpack an issue that may have fallen off the radar of many: Greenland. They discuss what factors are shaping the U.S.'s approach to Greenland, how actions related to Greenland could affect relationships between the U.S., Europe, and China, and whether Greenland might once again become a hot-button topic in the near future.

For bonus thoughts on each episode, visit powerandconsequences.com, where you can sign up for our newsletter!

Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, .

Episode 3: Economic Impacts of the Iran Conflict

Episode 3

Monday, March 16, 2026 • Duration 45:32

Simon and Gary consider the current Iran crisis, what the short- and long-term effects on oil and gas prices will be, how the impact might spread to sectors like agriculture, and who will ultimately profit from the crisis.

For bonus thoughts on each episode, visit powerandconsequences.com, where you can sign up for our newsletter!

Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration.

Episode 2: The Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy

Episode 2

Monday, March 9, 2026 • Duration 41:33

Simon and Gary discuss the current happenings at the Federal Reserve, how the role of central banks has changed over time, and who's really in charge of monetary policy.

For bonus thoughts on each episode, visit powerandconsequences.com, where you can sign up for our newsletter!

Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration.

Episode 1: Immigration

Episode 1

Monday, March 2, 2026 • Duration 43:59

Simon and Gary tackle the history of immigration in the U.S. and think about what lessons from the past can be applied to today.

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Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration.

Episode 0: Introduction

Monday, February 23, 2026 • Duration 16:10

In this special preview, former SEC chair Gary Gensler and Nobel Prize-winning economist Simon Johnson discuss why they've decided to start a podcast and what you can expect from future episodes of Power and Consequences.

Subscribe to the Power and Consequences Substack for bonus thoughts on each week's topic: https://simonhrjohnson.substack.com/s/power-and-consequences

Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration, which Simon and Gary co-edited, can be found here.

Host bios:

Gary Gensler is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management as well as of Finance at the MIT Sloan School of Management. Former chair of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, former chairman of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, and former Under Secretary for Domestic Finance, U.S. Treasury Department. With broad experience in the private sector, advising political leadership, and running policymaking agencies, Gary has been teaching at MIT’s Sloan School of Management since 2017. Gary also coauthored a book presenting common-sense investing advice for everyday Americans, The Great Mutual Fund Trap, (Broadway Books, 2002).

Simon Johnson was chief economist at the International Monetary Fund in the run-up to the Global Financial Crisis (2007-08) and is the long-time head of the Global Economics and Management Group at MIT’s Sloan School of Management. Best selling author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress. In 2024, for his work on “institutions and economic growth,” Simon was awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics. Simon also previously co-founded and ran a successful blog, BaselineScenario, which discussed developments in the global economic and financial system. In 2025, the British government appointed him as an “AI Ambassador”. At MIT, Simon co-directs the Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work.

Episode 24: Does Science Matter?

Episode 24

Monday, August 10, 2026 • Duration 47:37

Simon and Gary unpack science funding, tackling the value of basic science, the different roles that the government and private backers play, and the serious effects of the current decrease in U.S. government funding.

For bonus thoughts on each episode, visit powerandconsequences.com, where you can sign up for our newsletter!

Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, The .

Episode 23: Is The Global Dollar System In Decline?

Episode 23

Monday, August 3, 2026 • Duration 45:36

Simon and Gary dive into how the U.S. dollar became the currency hegemon, how this status influences the actions of countries around the world, and what it would take for another currency to become the standard.

For bonus thoughts on each episode, visit powerandconsequences.com, where you can sign up for our newsletter!

Host bios:

Gary Gensler, former Chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management, and Professor of the Practice of Finance, at MIT Sloan School of Management. His research focuses on artificial intelligence, finance, and economic policy. He previously served as Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Chair of the Maryland Financial Consumer Protection Commission, and Senior Advisor to Senator Paul Sarbanes. Earlier, Gensler was at Goldman Sachs for 18 years, where he became a partner.

Simon Johnson, a 2024 Nobel laureate in economics and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship at MIT Sloan School of Management, head of its Global Economics and Management group, and Co-Director of MIT’s Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. He co-chairs the CFA Institute Systemic Risk Council and is an AI Ambassador for the UK. Simon is the author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress: Our Thousand-Year Struggle Over Technology and Prosperity.

Gary & Simon also co-edited, with Ugo Panizza and Beatrice Weder di Mauro, The .

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