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Ep.3 Garden Education with Paul Zammit24 Dec 202400:57:37

In this interview episode, Sean chats with Paul Zammit about the life of a garden communicator. Paul has had a long career in horticulture and is presently a professor of Horticulture and Environmental Studies at Niagara College as well as CBC’s Ontario Today gardening expert—although “expert” is a term he would like to contest. After all, we never stop learning, and that’s especially true in the garden. Paul and Sean talk about selfish gardening (taking space from nature for ourselves) compared to building a biodiverse space that wildlife can enjoy alongside us—even if that means broadening our definition of beauty. They lament the spread of incomplete and untrue gardening tips online, although they’re still excited about the information-sharing power of social media. And although they’d happily talk forever, they force themselves to wrap up the conversation by answering some listener questions about insect-afflicted ash trees and re-blooming orchids. 

Find Paul on Instagram at @paulsplantpix  

Paul Zammit is a professor at  Niagara College’s School of Environment and Horticulture

He can be found giving garden advice on CBC’s Ontario Today program 

He occasionally co-leads international tours of public and private gardens. 

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0:45 Preamble

1:15 Interview

2:33 Paul’s Impressive Résumé

4:04 Leading Garden Tours

7:11 “Garden Expert”, and Other Misnomers

13:07 Gardening is different everywhere!

15:25 Biodiversity: If You Plant it, They Will Come

16:24 Invasive Species and Constructive Conversations

21:30 Rethinking Beauty

24:03 Cultivars Aren’t Evil

26:24 Gardening for Ourselves and for Nature

35:20 Social Media and Iffy Plant Hacks

42:07 Intermission

42:50 Q&A

44: 26 Emerald Ash Borers

46:35 Re-Blooming Orchids

53:12 Paul's Shout-Outs

56:20 Outro 

Ep.2 Poinsettia VS Amaryllis18 Dec 202400:48:07

In this “versus” episode, Erin and Sean face off with two big holiday plants: Poinsettias and Amaryllis. Erin comes in swinging with the fraught history of settler (Poinsettia) and Indigenous (cuetlaxochitl) names for her plant, but Sean pushes back with the romantic (or is it?) mythology behind amaryllis. Both contenders shatter misconceptions (Poinsettias are not toxic! Some amaryllis are imposters!) and share care tips for keeping these festive flora in good shape during the holidays and year round. A few tangents slip in about specialist insects that thrive on toxic plants and the way plants interpret light and darkness. And of course we get a plant rant about florists and nurseries using spray paint and glitter. The episode wraps up with a listener question about how late she can plant an evergreen tree. 

Who won the Plant Face-Off? Was it Erin with poinsettias or Sean with amaryllis? You decide! Send your vote by email or on Instagram, TikTok, or Facebook with the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 

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Citations

Cultural history of poinsettias

Kohfeld, M. (2024, November 30). Cuetlaxochitl: A cultural history of the Poinsettia. Swansons Nursery. https://www.swansonsnursery.com/blog/history-of-poinsettias 

Chart of specialist insects who sequester the toxins (glycocides) in milkweed sap 

Holdrege, C. (n.d.). The Story of an Organism: Common Milkweed — The Nature Institute. The Nature Institute. https://www.natureinstitute.org/article/craig-holdrege/the-story-of-an-organism-common-milkweed

Commercial production of poinsettias

Environmental Horticulture Department - UF/IFAS. (n.d.). Production Guidelines - Poinsettia Cultivation. Commercial Floriculture. https://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/floriculture/poinsettia/production_guidelines.shtml 

Dr. Ing-Ming Lee’s research into phytoplasmas

Ing-Ming Lee. (n.d.). The American Phytopathological Society (APS). https://www.apsnet.org/members/give-awards/awards/Fellows/Pages/Ing-MingLee.aspx

Care and reblooming of poinsettias

Schnelle, M. (2017, April 1). Poinsettia Care. Oklahoma State University Extension. https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/poinsettia-care.html

Weisenhorn, J. (2024). Growing and caring for poinsettia. UMN Extension. https://extension.umn.edu/houseplants/poinsettia 

Plants in the amaryllis family

Petruzzello, M. (2016, March 8). List of plants in the family Amaryllidaceae | Amaryllis, Narcissus, Hyacinth. Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-plants-in-the-family-Amaryllidaceae-2058006

Facts about Amaryllis

DeJohn, S. (2024, October 17). Amaryllis Legends and Fun Facts. Gardeners Supply Company.

https://www.gardeners.com/how-to/amaryllis-facts/8660.html 

 

Amaryllis and hippeastrum 

Mahr, S. (n.d.). Amaryllis, Hippeastrum. Wisconsin Horticulture. https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/amaryllis-hippeastrum/ 

0:51 What’s Growing On?

0:56 Winter Prep (and lack thereof)

1:57 Sean Got a Puppy!

2:51 The Plant Face-Off

3:30 Poinsettias and Pronunciation

4:22 Cottoneaster Tangent

4:42 Pointsettia Etymology

5:40 Poinsettia Sap: Not Toxic!

8:25 The Euphorbia Plant Family

10:16 Turning Shrubs into House Plants

12:12 Tricking Plants with Light

14:17 Spray-Painted Poinsettias

17:31 Poinsettia Care

21:50 How (not) to Research Plants Online

23:45 What is—and isn’t—an Amaryllis?

25:01 Amaryllis Relatives

26:26 The Amaryllis Identity Crisis

28:48 Naturalized vs. Invasive Plants

29:58 600+ Amaryllis Cultivars

30:50 Romantic(?) Amaryllis Mythology

31:43 How Amaryllis Grows

38:14 Amaryllis Care

44:47 Q&A: Can You Plant a Tree in Late Fall?

47:28 Contact Us & Outro

Ep.1 Erin VS Sean15 Dec 202400:43:07

In this pilot episode of Plants Always Win, Erin and Sean give the Plant Face-Off a trial run…with a twist. Instead of competing for viewers’ votes with the most interesting information about a plant or gardening concept, they go head to head with competing interviews of each other. Find out what theft has to do with Erin’s early forays into gardening, why she makes content about gardening with chronic illness and disability, and how talking about plants every week complements her literary life. Then learn how Sean’s mom got him into a horticulture career, explore the pros and cons of the profession, and get excited about Sean’s dreams for a botanical garden in Muskoka, Ontario. We wrap up with some impromptu (and impassioned) tangents on invasive plants in garden centres, cities that plant only male trees, cultivars vs. nativars, and permaculture.

 

Find Sean online at @GardenGuyMuskoka on TikTok and Instagram.

Find Erin online at @EarthUndaunted on TikTok, @ErinAlladin on Instagram, and at https://earthundaunted.com/.

 

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00:52 What's Growing On?

1:00: Erin vs. Quack Grass

2:17 Sean's Zone 4 Fruit Trees

3:27 Raccoons 1 | Chickens 0

4:50 First Frosts

6:24 Plant Face-Off

7:00 Sean's topic: Erin

7:52 Stealing Gardens from Parents

8:50 Gardening with Chronic Illness

12:40 Why Erin Agreed to Do This Podcast

13:52 Our Wives Think We’re Big Nerds

15:37 Erin's Least Favourite Thing About Gardening

19:15 Erin's Topic: Sean

19:20 Blame it on Sean's Mom

21:16 The Garden Labour Trap

22:57 The Master Gardeners of Ontario

24:00 Running a Landscaping Business

26:09 The Muskoka Botanical Garden Dream

27:26: Why Sean Started This Podcast

28:53: Sean's Rant: Stop Selling Invasive Plants

33:51 Erin's Rant: Male-Only City Trees

33:22 Nativars and Cultivars

38:17 Selfish Gardening vs. Permaculture

41:26 Contact Us & Outro

Ep.4 Bay Leaves VS Mustard Seed31 Dec 202400:47:08

In this Versus episode, it’s the battle of herbs and spices. Get your fill of these fascinating aromatic plants that have flavoured our food and changed our history since paleolithic times. Learn why they bother smelling so good—and what you can do to make the most of their flavour—then get ready to cast your vote in the Plant Face-Off. Sean is representing the herbs with bay laurel, a plant not to be confused with the many other bays and laurels in the world—especially not the toxic ones. Learn how it grows, how to preserve the leaves, and why there are so many misconceptions about its safety. Erin follows up with mustard seed and how to grow and prepare it…but first she shakes things up with some tasty knowledge about spices around the world.

Who won the Plant Face-Off? Was it Sean with bay leaves or Erin with mustard seed? You decide! Send your vote by email or on Instagram, TikTok, or Facebook with the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 

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Citations

What is a spice?

Hogeback, J. (n.d.). What’s the difference between an herb and a spice? Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-an-herb-and-a-spice

Essential Oils/Volatile Oils

Biology Online. (2023, September 15). Volatile oil - Definition and Examples - Biology Online Dictionary. Biology Articles, Tutorials & Dictionary Online. https://www.biologyonline.com/dictionary/volatile-oil

iHerb.org’s Herbs of the Year

International Herb Association. (2023, May 30). Herb of the Year™. https://www.iherb.org/herb-of-the-year/ 

Bay laurel’s history and use

Belsinger, S. (2009, March 18). Bay (Laurus nobilis): From Legend and Lore to Fragrance and Flavor. Fine Gardening. https://www.finegardening.com/article/bay-laurus-nobilis-from-legend-and-lore-to-fragrance-and-flavor?srsltid=AfmBOoonN-BDS8stQ2WPnnKPaq6O6XNdSRjOD1nROnT2zNqDeIo7KlEC 

The toxicity of laurel hedges

Hopes Grove Nurseries. (2024, September 23). Are Laurel hedges poisonous?. https://www.hopesgrovenurseries.co.uk/knowledge-base/are-laurel-hedges-poisonous/#:~:text=You%20are%20here%3A%20Home%20%C2%BB%20Are,cause%20serious%20complications%20if%20ingested 

Medicinal uses and side effects of bay laurel

BAY LEAF: Overview, uses, side effects, precautions, interactions, dosing and reviews. (n.d.). WebMD. Retrieved December 27, 2024, from https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-685/bay-leaf 

The biology of white mustard (also known as yellow mustard)

Canadian Food Inspection Agency. (2022, May 6). The biology of Sinapis alba L. (mustard). inspection.canada.ca. https://inspection.canada.ca/en/plant-varieties/plants-novel-traits/applicants/directive-94-08/biology-documents/sinapis-alba#a24 

Growing saffron in Ontario

Balzer, D. (2024, November 6). Growing saffron – in a cool Canadian climate! Donna Balzer. https://donnabalzer.com/growing-saffron-in-a-cool-canadian-climate/ 

Timestamps

00:12 Intro

00:53 What’s Growing On?

01:07 Erin Gets Native Seed Mail

02:17 This Episode is Dedicated to Siblings

02:58 The Plant Face Off

03:08 Herbs and Spices: Definitions

04:25 How Bias Affects Research

06:00 Sean’s Plant: Bay Laurel

08:05 The Laurecea Plant Family

08:45 A Laurel by Any Other Name Might be Toxic

10:02 Mediterranean Evergreens

11:22 Tree Genders

13:28 Medicinal Uses of Bay Laurel

14:40 Bay Leaves: They’re Sharp

17:49 Preserving Bay Leaves

19:40 Growing Bay Laurel 

20:40 Aromatics to Deter Pests

23:50 Erin’s Spice Journey

24:59 Preserving Spice Potency

26:41 Spice Fun Facts

28:56 Erin’s Plant: Mustard 

29:12 The Fascinating Brassica Family

32:28 Making Your Own Mustard

36:26 Mustard Types

39:13 Q&A: Low-Fuss, Low-Light Houseplants

43:23 Listener Feedback

45:41 Contact Us & Outro

Ep.5 Pokemon Ecology with Alex Meinders07 Jan 202500:44:10

We’re always pretty nerdy on Plants Always Win, but in this interview episode Alex Meinders helps us take it to a whole new level. He’s a wildlife biologist and videogame enthusiast whose passion project is the YouTube and TikTok channel Geek Ecology. He uses his real-world science know-how to analyze the biology and ecology of Pokémon—yes, those quirky monsters from the cartoon, card game, and video games. 

This week Alex speculates with us about the plant-inspired class of grass-type Pokémon. We consider their place in the food web (are they animals or vegetables?), their evolutionary history (what environmental pressure caused them to look like plants?) and their methods of reproduction (do they create clones by seed and genetic diversity by egg?). If you’re worried about missing out on real-world plant talk, never fear! We dig into some fascinating plants along the way, including the parasitic corpse flower, the piratical ghost pipe, and mandrakes, which really do look like that.  

Find Alex on YouTube, TikTok, and Twitter at @GeekEcology.

Fact Check:

We promised some fact-checking during the episode! Here are the results: 

Alex brought up the subject of a tissue-culture mammoth meatball that made news headlines. This was created in 2023 by Australian company Vow as a way to bring attention to their cultivated meat products. It turns out the meatball was not eaten since no one knows how our immune systems will react to protein from 10,000-year-old DNA. If someone wanted to eat it, the company would need to re-do the process with closer attention paid to the needs of regulators. But it’s a great story!

The Pokémon Grimer was part of Generation 1, which came out in Japan in 1996. Points to Sean for remembering that accurately.

It was actually four different fish who beat Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, since, for health reasons, their owner swapped in a different one every twelve hours. But, yes, the notoriously fail-proof game has been beaten by the random movements of fish swimming around a tank with quadrants mapped to the controller buttons.

We also mention the Feejee Mermaid. It turns out there were many such “mermaids” made from combining the bodies of fish and monkeys. They have cultural significance as “ningyo” in Japan, but when westerners like PT Barnum got their hands on them in the nineteenth century, shenanigans ensued.  

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Citations

The mammoth meatball (which was not, in fact, eaten by anyone):

Carrington, D. (2023b, March 28). Meatball from long-extinct mammoth created by food firm. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/28/meatball-mammoth-created-cultivated-meat-firm?CMP=share_btn_url 

P.T. Barnum’s Feejee Mermaid (one of many from the 1800s):

Szalay, J. (2016, September 9). The Feejee Mermaid: Early Barnum Hoax. livescience.com. https://www.livescience.com/56037-feejee-mermaid.html 

The meaning behind the name Oddish: 

Fandom. (n.d.). Oddish. Codex Gamicus. Retrieved December 10, 2024, from https://gamicus.fandom.com/wiki/Oddish 

Mandrakes:

The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica. (1998, July 20). Mandrake | Description, Species, & Traditions. Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/plant/mandrake-Mandragora-genus#ref202668 

Corpse flower, Rafflesia arnoldi, definitely the inspiration behind Vileplume 

Rafflesia arnoldi. (n.d.). Kew Royal Botanic Gardens. Retrieved December 10, 2024, from https://www.kew.org/plants/rafflesia-arnoldi 

Ghost pipe, a mycoheterotroph:

Ghost pipe. (n.d.). Nature Conservancy Canada. Retrieved December 10, 2024, from https://www.natureconservancy.ca/en/what-we-do/resource-centre/featured-species/plants/ghost-pipe.html

Timestamps

00:46 Introduction

01:56 Pursuing wildlife biology because Jurassic Park isn't real

3:54 What is Geek Ecology?

5:08 Pokémon Food Webs

10:27 The Fish who beat Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire

11:30 Why “grass type” and not “plant type”?

13:02 Are Pokémon their own kingdom of life?

14:00 A discussion on evolution

18:07 Angiosperms (flowering plants) and gymnosperms (non-flowering plants)

19:09 Impatiens would make good Pokémon

20:30 Plant Pokémon reproduction: seeds AND eggs??

22:10 Sean wants a Pokémon breeding simulator

12:45 Do Pokémon need to be pollinated?

25:29 What plant inspired the Oddish?

30:58 Vileplume: it’s just a corpse flower, right?

34:45 Parasitic plant tangent

29:25 Pokémon with fake Latin names

40:50 Find Geek Ecology online

42:55 Contact Us & Outro

Ep.7 Winter Sowing Native Plants with Amanda Jewell21 Jan 202500:52:22

You might think a gardening podcast would focus on guests who have a lifetime of gardening expertise and plenty of credentials. But we want to emphasize that anyone can garden, and amateurs everywhere find niches to flourish in. That’s why we invited Amanda Jewell to share her adventures in learning to grow native plants from seed.

Amanda is a vision therapist by trade. In her free time, she uses her postage-stamp urban yard in Northern Ontario to grow hundreds of native wildflowers every year. She describes for us the joy she felt the first time she discovered that her garden was supporting local insects and how the focus on bringing more wildlife to her yard drove her interest in native plants. She also explains how winter sowing has become such an effective technique for her, in spite of mishaps along the way, and how leaning in to nature’s lack of orderliness is both useful and liberating. We wrap up with conversation about finding community among gardeners and about resources and seed sources for listeners who want to try starting their own native plants. 

Amanda’s Shout-Outs:

The Ottawa Wildflower Seed Library distributes free seeds to organizations and gardeners every winter: https://wildflowerseedlibrary.ca/ 

The Butterflyway Project supports the creation of connected patches of butterfly habitat throughout neighbourhoods: https://davidsuzuki.org/take-action/act-locally/butterflyway/ 

The Miskwaadesi native garden is a new garden in North Bay, Ontario created by the North Bay Indigenous Friendship Centre: https://www.miskwaadesi.ca/ 

Timestamps

00:51 Intro

01:25 Gardening in Urban Northern Ontario

03:20 Observe Before You Grow

04:16 Becoming a Disney Princess for Hornets

08:10 A Cheap, Low-Maintenance, Wildlife-Friendly Garden

10:00 Growing Native Perennials Is Beginner Friendly!

11:23 Why Some Seeds Need Cold Stratification

13:57 What is Winter Sowing?

15:22 Organization Not Necessary

17:05 When to Open your Winter-Sowing Greenhouses

18:56 Collecting Native Seeds

21:29 Wildlife Garden With Their Poop!

22:07 Amanda’s Native-Plant Wishlist

23:19 Making a Microclimate for a Southern Plant

25:08 Making a Rain Garden or Pond

26:18 The Miskwaadesi Native Plant Garden in North Bay

28:29 Garden Centres vs. Nurseries

30:41 The Nativar Debate

36:26 Pollination and Genetic Diversity in the Garden

37:23 Understanding Your Garden Ecosystem

38:40 Add Rotting Wood to your Garden

43:40 A Warning about Growing Seeds in Mulch

47:20 Amanda’s Shout-Outs and Tips

Ep.6 Milkweed VS Beardtongue14 Jan 202500:50:00

This versus episode is a battle of the native wildflowers. Sean leads with penstemon, also known as hairy beardtongue, a charmingly fairytale-looking native perennial genus with species that grow across North America. Points in this plant’s favour: it has few pests and diseases, pollinators love it, and Sean lets us in on the secret to increased blossoms. Also: tube-shaped flowers = hummingbirds and adorably wiggling bee butts. 

Not to be outdone, Erin pushes back with common milkweed Asclepias syriaca, another native perennial that’s important for pollinators and a range of specialist insects, including monarch butterflies. Its sweet-smelling ball-shaped flower clusters seem engineered for human appeal, but this plant’s genes are wild and free. Erin explains what kind of garden space you need to grow them and addresses some common fears about the toxins in milkweed’s sap. And then both our hosts get into The Milkweed Controversy.

Tangents this week include rhizomes, informational websites with no dates on them, the ethics of merch, and the menace of black swallow-wort, a.k.a. dog strangling vine. 

Who won the Plant Face-Off? Was it Sean with beardtongue or Erin with milkweed? You decide! Send your vote by email or on Instagram, TikTok, or Facebook with the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 

Fact Check

We weren’t quite certain, but our memories were right: monarch butterflies are listed as endangered in Canada and, as of December 2024, threatened in the United States. However, it’s also important to know that provinces also have their own systems of classification. In Ontario, the monarch is only a species of “special concern,” which doesn’t come with the protections that “endangered” and “threatened” do.

La Grassa, J. (2024, December 13). Canadian monarch enthusiasts, experts welcome possible new protections for butterfly in U.S. CBC. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/monarch-butterflies-southwestern-ontario-1.7407440#:~:text=In%20Ontario%2C%20the%20monarch%20is,receive%20species%20or%20habitat%20protection.%22 

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Citations

Moving Penstemon from Scrophulariaceae to Plantaginaceae

Gerry. (2016, January 24). Genus Penstemon Moved from Scrophulariaceae to Plantaginaceae. USWildflowers.com Journal. https://journal.uswildflowers.com/2016/01/genus-penstemon-moved-from-scrophulariaceae-to-plantaginaceae/ 

Penstemon Basics:

Hairy Beardtongue. (2025, January 8). Ontario Native Plants. https://onplants.ca/shop/penstemon-hirsutus/ 

TWC Staff. (2023, February 22). Penstemon hirsutus (By The University of Texas at Austin). Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center. https://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=PEHI 

The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica. (1998b, July 20). Penstemon | Native, perennial, flowering. Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/plant/Penstemon

A Beginner’s Guide to Native Penstemons

Native Penstemons: A Beginner’s Guide. (2024, December 22). The Plant Native. https://theplantnative.com/plant/penstemon/ 

Medicinal uses of Wildflowers

Medicinal uses (By Oregon State University). (2019, March 13). College of Agricultural Sciences. https://agsci.oregonstate.edu/mes/sustainable-wildflower-seed-production/medicinal-uses 

Ellen Zachos, author of the books Backyard Forager: 65 familiar plants you didn’t know you could eat, The Forager’s Pantry: Cooking with wild edibles, and How to Forage for Wild Foods Without Dying: An absolute beginner’s guide to identifying 35 wild, edible plants, and more

Zachos, E. Backyard forager. Retrieved January 8, 2025, from https://backyardforager.com/

The David Suzuki Foundation Butterflyway Project

The Butterflyway Project. (2025, January 8). David Suzuki Foundation. https://davidsuzuki.org/take-action/act-locally/butterflyway/

Your local Native Plant Society will have information about the milkweed that grows in your area.

Native Plant Societies. (n.d.). North American Native Plant Society. Retrieved January 8, 2025, from https://nanps.org/native-plant-societies/ 

The Xerces Society Milkweed Finder can help you find seeds if you want to grow your own.

Milkweed Finder. The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Protection. Retrieved January 8, 2025, from https://xerces.org/milkweed/milkweed-seed-finder

Raising monarch butterflies

Pasternak, Carol. How to Raise Monarch Butterflies: A Step-By-Step Guide for Kids (How it Works). E-book ed., Firefly Books Ltd., 2015. 

The life cycle and migration of monarch butterflies

“Life Cycle”, Monarch Joint Venture, https://monarchjointventure.org/monarch-biology/life-cycle. Accessed 20 November, 2024. 

A close study of milkweed and the species it hosts

Holdrege, Craig. “The Story of an Organism: Common Milkweed”, The Nature Institute, 2010, www.natureinstitute.org/article/craig-holdrege/the-story-of-an-organism-common-milkweed

Timestamps

00:11 Intro

01:04 What’s Growing On?

01:50 Sean’s Puppy Update

02:03 Erin’s New Book

05:00 The Plant Face-Off

05:23 Face-Off Results for Poinsettia vs. Amaryllis

06:30 Sean’s Plant: Penstemon, a.k.a. Beardtongue

06:57 The Reclassification of Penstemon

08:58 The Value of Dates on Research Materials

11:03 Penstemon Species and Ranges

12:19 Penstemon In Your Garden

14:21 Penstemon Pollinators, Featuring Bee Butts

16:38 Learning Medicinal Uses for Plants

19:30 Tending Penstemon

23:58 Erin’s Plant: Common Milkweed

25:56 What is Rhizome?

27:51 National Garden Bureau’s Year Of the Asclepias

28:55 Milkweed Misnomers

30:14 The Destruction of Common Milkweed

31:43 Toxic Sap and Nuanced Conversations

35:09 Would You Eat (cooked) Milkweed?

35:58 When Growing Milkweed Kills Monarchs

39:52 How to Source Milkweed for Your Region

41:23 Saving Monarchs—who, how, and why

46:00 The Problem of Dog-Strangling Vine

48:16 Outro

Ep.8 Peace Lily VS Phalaenopsis Orchid28 Jan 202500:58:37

This versus episode kicks off with a discussion about creating a safe space on social media for respectful, loving communication about everything plants and gardens, then digresses into a discussion of Latin pronunciations in botanical, liturgical, and classical settings. When we make it to the Plant Face-Off, Erin leads with peace lily, or Spathiphyllum spp. She explains why some plants in the Spathiphyllum genus have Big Spadix Energy, then explores the fascinating physical mechanism that makes biting a peace lily a bad idea. She explains how to approximate the conditions of its home in the understory of tropical rainforests and how to treat problems, then digs into why she and others are so darned allergic to its pollen. Finally, Erin and Sean dissect the infamous NASA Clean Air Study that still prompts publications to insist that peace lilies can purify your air of household toxins.

In the second half of the episode, Sean confidently takes the stage to predict a win for his favourite plants, Phalaenopsis orchids, also known as moon orchids or moth orchids (for their moth-like flowers). He explains how they grow hanging in the air, attached to trees or stones, and describes the various options for propagating them. Next he covers such controversial topics as what media to grow orchids in, how to water them, and where to position them for the best kind of light. As someone who has rehabilitated many a box-store orchid, he is well equipped with advice on helping them re-bloom and thrive. Sean closes his segment with some history and surprising medical uses for Phalaenopsis.

Who won the Plant Face-Off? Was it Erin with peace lilies or Sean with Phalaenopsis orchids? You decide! Send your vote by email or on Instagram, TikTok, or Facebook with the hashtag #PAWFaceOff.

Instagram: @plantsalwayswinpodcast 

Facebook: plantsalwayswinpodcast 

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Shout-Outs: 

Southern Ontario Orchid Society: https://soos.ca/

Central Ontario Orchid Society: http://coos.ca/ 

Knotmoth Micro Crochet: https://www.instagram.com/knotmoth/ 

Credits

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Citations

Phalaenopsis Culture Sheet

Phalaenopsis Culture Sheet - American Orchid Society. (n.d.). https://www.aos.org/orchid-care/care-sheets/phalaenopsis-culture-sheet 

The Phalaenopsis group on Missouri Botanical Garden’s Plant Finder

Phalaenopsis (group). (n.d.). Missouri Botanical Garden. https://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFinderDetails.aspx?taxonid=264608&isprofile=1&basic=phalaenopsis 

An updated version of a 1956 article in the American Orchid Society Bulletin 

Phalaenopsis, the Genus - Beginner’s Handbook, XXIII. (n.d.). American Orchid Society. Retrieved January 21, 2025, from https://www.aos.org/orchid-care/orchid-care-and-culture-sheets/phalaenopsis-culture-sheet/phalaenopsis-the-genus 

Research into medical uses for commercial orchid waste  

Minh, T., Khang, D., Tuyen, P., Minh, L., Anh, L., Quan, N., Ha, P., Quan, N., Toan, N., Elzaawely, A., & Xuan, T. (2016). Phenolic compounds and antioxidant activity of phalaenopsis orchid hybrids. Antioxidants, 5(3), 31. https://doi.org/10.3390/antiox5030031 

The history of orchids

Hill, E. (2021, March 26). The history of orchids. Love Orchids. https://www.loveorchids.co.uk/blogs/home/four-things-about-the-history-of-orchids-you-might-not-know?srsltid=AfmBOooOu7XYkq-RGQmlx8YUl1JBoj50X_3xPH1wgEjo3CmOf20X1hMR 

Peace lilies’ relatives: plants in the Araceae family

Grant, B. L. (2021, August 11). Arum plant information: Learn about common varieties of arum. Gardening Know How. https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/houseplants/hpgen/arum-plant-information.htm

Information about spathes and spadixes

Ellis, M. E. (2021, November 29). What is a spathe: Learn about the spathe and spadix in plants. Gardening Know How. https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/info/what-is-a-spathe.htm 

Spathiphyllum overview, including pests and diseases

Spathiphyllum (Peace lily, Spathe flower, White sails) | North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. (n.d.). Retrieved January 21, 2025, from https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/spathiphyllum/#poison 

Treating pests and diseases of Spathiphyllum 

Spengler, T. (2021, May 29). Diseases in spathiphyllum: Tips on treating peace lily diseases. Gardening Know How. https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/houseplants/peace-lily/diseases-spathiphyllum-tips-treating-peace-lily-diseases.htm 

How calcium oxalate crystals in peace lily leaves cause reactions 

Wismer, T. (2015). Feline toxins. August’s Consultations in Feline Internal Medicine, 7, 791–798. https://doi.org/10.1016/b978-0-323-22652-3.00079-7 

Spathiphyllum as an unusually bad trigger for allergies among houseplants

egás, V. H., Duch, G. D., García, V. G., De La Losa, F. P., Fernández, M. C., Velandia, D. G., & Jané, P. G. (2019). Allergy to Spathiphyllum wallisii, an Indoor Allergen. Journal of Investigational Allergology and Clinical Immunology, 29(6), 453–454. https://doi.org/10.18176/jiaci.0419 

Debunking popular NASA Clean Air Study interpretations

Editorial Staff. (2017, February 15). Getting into the Weeds: Do Houseplants Really Improve Air Quality? American Lung Association. https://www.lung.org/blog/do-houseplants-really-improve-air-quality#:~:text=This%20NASA%20study%20showed%20that,long%20history%20of%20health%20impacts 

NASA’s own account of the Clean Air study

Plants clean air and water for indoor environments. (2007). NASA Spinoff. https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2007/ps_3.html 

A deeper dive into the study and how houseplants really benefit your home

Russel, E. M. (2020, September 7). Debunked: Despite NASA clean air study claims, houseplants don’t effectively purify air. Clean Air Gardening. https://www.cleanairgardening.com/do-houseplants-clean-air/ 

Timestamps

00:57 Intro

01:13 What’s Growing On?

01:15 Opening our Discord to the Gardening World

2:45 Booking Some Public Gigs

04:20 The Plant Face-Off

04:43 Face-Off Results for Milkweed vs. Beardtongue

05:30 Pronouncing Latin: A Context Sport

07:05 Erin’s Plant: Peace Lily

07:22The Arum Family (Araceae)

08:20 Spathes and Spadixes

09:02 Corpse Flower Amorphophallus titanum: Big Spadix Energy

11:05 Peace Lily’s Not-so-Peaceful Toxic Reaction

14:09 Caring for your Peace Lily

19:52 Peace Lily Allergies

21:55 The Infamous NASA Clean Air Study

31:55 Sean’s Plant: Phalaenopsis Orchid

33:13 Orchid Taxonomy (and What’s Taxonomy, Anyway?)

33:06 Orchid Origins

36:33 Epiphytes on Trees and Lithophytes on Rocks

37:22 Three Ways to Propagate an Orchid

40:22 What to Grow your Orchid In

42:59 How to Have a Happy Orchid

48:50 Orchid Pests, Pestilence, and Stress

50:00 History Time, Featuring Orchid Delirium

53:30 Orchids in Medical Research

55:09 Shout-Outs

55:13 Ontario Orchid Societies

55:37 Knotmoth Micro Crochet

57:17 Contact Us and Outro

Ep.9 Garden Classrooms with Lauren MacLean04 Feb 202500:44:51

Have you learned to read your garden? This week we sit down with Lauren MacLean, a teacher, author, and podcaster from Richmond, British Columbia. She’s a big advocate for how outdoor classrooms help kids learn better, but a few years ago she had a learning experience of her own when her school built a new garden classroom. In this interview she shares with us her background as an outdoor educator and explains the magic of “sit spots” for creating a relationship with our environment—something we should all do in our own gardens. Lauren explains how even though she was new to gardening when her school dug into its new project, she was helped by the nature literacy she and her students already possessed. “Reading” the plants and the species who live in relationship to them is key.

Throughout today’s conversation we celebrate the value of garden failures and what they can teach us and the children who follow our example. We extend grace to ourselves and all gardeners (and houseplant parents!) who struggle to help their plants thrive. Lauren also offers advice for teachers to keep their garden classrooms afloat when the first bloom of ambition fades, and celebrates the community connections they can forge. Finally, we wrap up by trouble-shooting problems like summer watering, wildlife interactions, and weed identification. 

If you want to learn more from Lauren about outdoor learning, check out…

Lauren’s Courses: 

Nature’s Path: a Year of Monthly Sparks—monthly outdoor-learning professional development for educators and homeschooling families

Thrive Outside: Grow Your Teaching Space—a five-week program for teachers and homeschooling parents to grow their teaching into the outdoors

Lauren’s Books: 

Me and My Sit Spot—a picture book about choosing and using a sit spot

Finding Common Ground—a story set in an outdoor classroom

Sitting with Nature: An Educator’s Guide to Sit Spots—the book that brought Lauren and Erin together as author and editor, a resource that introduces why and how to use sit spots in the classroom (with lesson plans included!) 

Lauren’s Online: 

Teach Outdoors is Lauren’s podcast about outdoor learning.

teachoutdoors.ca is her website.

Lauren’s Social Media

Instagram: @teachoutdoors.ca

Facebook: Lauren MacLean-Douglas

Bluesky: @teachoutdoors.bsky.social

Timestamps

00:34 Intro

01:12 Lauren’s Outdoor-Learning Origin Story

02:40 Sit Spots: Building a Relationship with Nature

08:34 Lauren’s Garden-Classroom Learning Curve

10:10 Developing Plant Literacy

11:30 The Value of Failure in the Garden and the Classroom

16:55 Taking the Whole Curriculum Into the Garden

20:56 How Not to Abandon Your Garden Classroom

24:05 Classroom Gardens and Community

24:30 Summer Watering

27:47 Mulch and Acidity (worry less about it)

29:40 What Does Your (School) Garden Grow?

30:30 Fruit Trees in Schools?

30:50 An Ode to the Serviceberry

34:25 Lauren’s Home Gardening Mishap

35:00 Plant Propagation

38:54 The Importance of Weeding Guides

41:27 Lauren’s Courses, Books, and Podcast

43:33 Outro

Books and Experts Referenced in this Episode

Monty Don’s Down to Earth, in which he talks about building a place to sit in every garden

Don, M. (2020). Down to earth: Gardening Wisdom. National Geographic Books.

Megan Zeni, Outdoor Educator

Zeni, M. (2025). Megan Zeni - Room to Play Consulting. MeganZeni.com. https://meganzeni.com/ 

Robin Wall Kimmerer’s The Serviceberry

Kimmerer, R. W. (2024). The ServiceBerry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World. Simon and Schuster.

Erin’s picture book Outside, You Notice

Alladin, E. (2021). Outside, you notice. Pajama Press. 

Ep. 12 Groundcovers with Kathy Jentz18 Feb 202501:07:25

This week we cover a lot of ground on the subject of groundcovers with Kathy Jentz. Kathy is the editor and publisher of Washington Gardener, the host of the Garden DC podcast, and the author of Groundcover Revolution, a book written to give inspiration and examples for turf grass substitutes that gardeners everywhere can use to find the best plants for their region. They can also use its attractive and accessible photographs to get their spouses and their HOA on board.

We start our conversation by establishing some ground rules: what is a groundcover? Kathy says it’s any plant that covers the ground thickly enough to suppress weeds, which kicks off a conversation about turf substitutes, plant height, maintenance, and moss lawns. We reflect on the history of lawns, the aggressive nature of many groundcovers, and how to manage them through plant choice or through physical intervention. What about avoiding invasive species of groundcovers altogether? Kathy shares some favourites and some species she would never recommend in her region, Washington DC. Erin and Sean offer their own top and bottom choices for Central Ontario and discover, in spite of distance and very different growing seasons, some common ground.

For more of Kathy, you can find her in the following places:

Upcoming speaking engagements

  • The 2025 Northwest Flower Garden Festival in Seattle 
  • The 2025 Philadelphia Flower Show

Kathy’s Online Platforms

• Washington Gardener Plant Store:

https://shop.kathyjentz.com/

• Washington Gardener Blog:

www.washingtongardener.blogspot.com

• Washington Gardener Archives:

http://issuu.com/washingtongardener

• Washington Gardener Discussion Group:

https://groups.google.com/g/washingtongardener/

To join, send an email to - washingtongardener+subscribe@googlegroups.com

• Washington Gardener Twitter Feed:

www.twitter.com/WDCGardener

• Washington Gardener Bluesky Feed:

https://bsky.app/profile/wdcgardener.bsky.social

• Washington Gardener Instagram Account:

https://www.instagram.com/wdcgardener/

• Washington Gardener Pinterest Account:

https://www.pinterest.com/wdcgardener/boards/

• Washington Gardener TikTok Account:

https://www.tiktok.com/@wdcgardener

• Washington Gardener Facebook Page:

https://www.facebook.com/WashingtonGardenerMagazine/

• Washington Gardener Youtube: 

www.youtube.com/washingtongardenermagazine

• Washington Gardener Amazon Affiliate Store:

www.amazon.com/shop/wdcgardener

• Washington Gardener Podcast: GardenDC

https://anchor.fm/gardendc/

Kathy’s Books

Groundcover Revolution: How to use sustainable, low-maintenance, low-water groundcovers to replace your turf

The Urban Garden: 101 Ways to Grow Food and Beauty in the City

Books and Experts Referenced in this Episode:

The Magical World of Moss Gardening by Annie Martin, a.k.a. Mossin’ Annie

Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon

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Website: www.plantsalwayswin.com 

Credits

Website Design and Illustration by Sophia Alladin

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Timestamps

00:45 Intro

01:10 Welcoming Kathy Jentz

1:53 What is a Groundcover, Anyway?

03:39 Moss Lawn Appreciation

06:03 Mossin' Annie, Moss Lawn Expert

08:07 Kathy’s New Book, Groundcover Revolution

09:25 Writing Gardening Books for an International Audience

11:52 Lawns, Landowners, and Historic Showing Off

14:55 Managing Aggressive and Invasive Groundcovers

20:39 A Native Lily of the Valley

24:45 Growing Conditions in Washington, DC

28:49 Growing Conditions in Central Ontario

31:50 Very Different Growing Seasons

34:50 Kathy’s Favourite Groundcovers

40:35 Erin’s Favourite Groundcovers

43:40 Sean’s Favourite Groundcovers

48:28 Gardening with Deer

50:47 Groundcovers Kathy Never Recommends

53:22 Groundcovers that Sean Never Recommends 

54:54 Managing the Mint Family

57:47 Don’t Shame Your Neighbours

1:02:30 Erin’s Least Favourite Groundcover

1:04 Where to Find Kathy

1:05:53 Contact Us and Outro

Ep.11 Valentine's Day Special, Part 2, Carnation Nation14 Feb 202500:43:07

This is the second instalment of our two-part Roses vs. Carnations Valentine’s Day special. After Sean eloquently shared his love for roses earlier this week, Erin barges in with the claim that roses are elitist and carnations are the flower of the people. Her focus is Dianthus caryophyllus, a cut-flower relative of some familiar garden flowers like pinks. She takes us back to the Carnation Revolution and other people’s uprisings in which carnations became important symbols, tells us what the name “pink” has to do with dianthus’ ruffled petals, and explores carnations’ aromatic uses. When Erin puts Sean on the spot to describe the science behind why putting food colouring in a carnation’s water source will dye it, he pulls it off admirably and gives us some bonus facts about mineral buildup on tap water-fed houseplants. 

The episode gathers steam with school carnation sales at Valentine’s Day (awkward), Mother’s Day symbology (touching), and the Vicorian language of flowers (not Erin’s favourite thing). Then it winds down with carnation care both in the garden and as cut flowers. 

Are you ready to join Carnation Nation? Or have roses won your heart? Cast your vote by tagging us on social media and using the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 

Fact Check

We promised to find out which was named first: pinking shears (which cut saw-toothed edges in fabric) or garden pinks (which have petals with saw-toothed edges). The answer is not clear-cut, but we highly recommend the Online Etymology Dictionary’s interesting entry about it: https://www.etymonline.com/word/pink 

Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon

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Citations

Carnations overview

Dianthus caryophyllus “Vienna Mischung.” (n.d.). Missouri Botanical Garden. Retrieved February 6, 2025, from https://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFinderDetails.aspx?kempercode=z910

Carnations’ Caryophyllaceae relatives 

The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica. (1999, May 4). Caryophyllaceae | Description, Taxonomy, Genera, & Species. Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/plant/Caryophyllaceae

 Growing carnations

NC State Extension. (n.d.). Dianthus caryophyllus. North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. Retrieved February 6, 2025, from https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/dianthus-caryophyllus/

Caring for your carnation bouquet

Plant Addicts. (2023, April 5). Cut Carnation Flower Care | Plant Addicts. https://plantaddicts.com/cut-carnation-flower-care/?srsltid=AfmBOoomoX8SAtbDhtMp6O2aJ9c0bqjVF7i2Mxq12NotQoMiF1zWtRa-

Carnations Flower Care. (n.d.). Farmgirl Flowers. Retrieved February 6, 2025, from https://farmgirlflowers.com/care/care-by-flower-type/carnations?srsltid=AfmBOoqvVyDnu1wEwiRoqpfa9sYsja3keUGZ6K8yqnNayTL4MsfB6k1Y



Timestamps

1:00 Intro

Erin’s Plant: Carnations

1:38 Dianthus caryophyllus and Family

3:37 Which Came First, the Pink or the Shears?

4:35 Carnation Etymology

6:15 How to Describe a Carnation

9:03 Transgenic Cultivars

11:18 A Symbol of the People

13:32 Aromatic Uses 

15:15 The Science of Colouring Carnations with Food Dye

17:46 Mineral Buildup on Houseplants

20:06 Carnations’ Mild Toxicity

20:58 Valentine’s Day School Carnation Sales

22:48 The Motherhood Connection

22:30 The Victorian Language of Flowers

25:42 Growing Carnations at Home

29:59 Cover your Bare Soil!

32:09 Insects Hosted by Carnations

33:36 Caring for your Carnation Bouquet

40:13 Points per Pun

40:51 Contact Us and Outro

Ep.10 Valentine's Day Special Part 1: Roses11 Feb 202500:49:26

This is a special two-part Plant Face-Off! We had so much to say about roses and carnations that we had to split the recording into two episodes. In this instalment, we start with some housekeeping, answering the listener question “What is Patreon?”, explaining why we’re phasing off the Meta platforms Facebook and Instagram, and reminding YOU to reach out if you’d like to join the conversation at our Plants Always Win Discord server.

After that Sean takes us through history and around the world with the ever-sweet subject of roses. Learn about the surprising members of the rose family fruit tree, explore their history and symbolism, and learn how to take care of them in your garden—especially here in Ontario. Sean also answers some questions from the internet, such as “Can I regrow my rose bouquet?” “Are rose petals edible?”, and “How can I make my cut roses last?” 

But the face-off doesn’t end here. Come back later this week for Part II when Erin takes the floor with roses’ Valentine’s Day competitor, carnations. Then cast your vote by email on social media with the hashtag #PAWfaceoff. 

Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon

Bluesky: @plantsalwayswin.com 

TikTok: @plantsalwayswinpodcast 

YouTube: @plantsalwayswinpodcast

Website: www.plantsalwayswin.com 

Credits

Website Design and Illustration by Sophia Alladin

Intro and Outro Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/when-my-ukulele-plays

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Citations

Roses (native and not) that grow in Ontario

Ontario Trees and Shrubs - Roses Group. (n.d.). http://ontariotrees.com/main/group.php?id=80 

Distinguishing different types of roses

The Different Types of Roses: An Ultimate Guide. (n.d.). Jackson & Perkins. Retrieved February 4, 2025, from https://www.jacksonandperkins.com/ultimate-guide-rose-types/a/types-of-roses/ 

General information about the Rosa genus

roses (Genus Rosa). (n.d.). iNaturalist. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/53438-Rosa 

Roses and their soil pH needs

Jones, S. (n.d.). Balancing soil pH for growing roses. Santa Clarita Valley Rose Society. Retrieved February 4, 2025, from http://www.santaclaritarose.org/BalancePH.html 

Research into traditional medicinal uses of roses

Schwarcz, J., PhD. (2023, February 8). Valentine’s Day! Time to smell the roses! McGill University Office for Science and Society. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/valentines-day-time-smell-roses

Timestamps

00:59 Intro

1:41: Audience question: What is Patreon?

4:37 Social Media Changes

5:59 Merch Update

6:50 Our Discord Server

8:10 The Plant Face-Off

8:32: Sean's Plant: Roses

9:45 The Surprising Rosaceae Family

12:15 The Symbolism of Roses

13:13 Greek and Egyptian History

14:35 Roses Come From Everywhere!

16:28 A Rose by Any Other Type...

18:16 Growing Roses in your Garden

19:02 Fertilizer Tangent: They Alter pH?

22:34 Pruning and Deadheading your Roses

24:32 Rosehips Don't Lie: Eating Roses

25:33 Reverting to Wild Rootstock

26:24 What Pests and Diseases? Basically All of Them.

30:01 Rose Fragrances: Perfumes, Oils, and your Grandma's Soap

31:35 Pigments, Dried Flowers, and Other Uses

33:24 Culinary and Medical Uses (and Speaking to the Deer)

38:10 Answering Internet Questions about Roses

40:49 Regrowing your Bouquet

43:05 Caring for your Cut Roses

46:20 Shoutout to Teacup Miniature Roses

48:14 Outro

Ep. 13 Beneficial Non-Natives? Borage vs. Cosmos04 Mar 202501:00:38

It’s a concern being voiced by conscientious gardeners everywhere: is it okay to plant a non-native flower that feeds pollinators but also self-sows freely? One suspect that is being discussed in many online gardening groups in borage. It shows up in pollinator-garden seed mixes that the purchasers expected to be 100% native. It features at seed swaps and in seed libraries because its seeds are easy to collect, and established gardeners know it always brings the bees in. But it also sows itself aggressively, and it didn’t evolve alongside North American pollinators. The people want to know: is it problematic to grow it? Is an aggressive plant necessarily invasive? 

That’s the question that sets the stage for this week’s versus episode. Sean takes on the borage question while Erin examines her own potentially-problematic fave, cosmos. They look into each plant’s origins, its spread around the world, and how manageable it is once it’s in your garden. They examine studies about wildlife use and raise questions about nectar and pollen quality. Along the way, they uncover a treasure trove of interesting science…and a wealth of questions still to be answered. 

Who brought the most fascinating facts about their plant this week? Vote for borage or cosmos by tagging us on social media and using the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 

Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? Email us, reach out over social media, or get Q&A priority by supporting us on Patreon

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Intro and Outro Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/when-my-ukulele-plays

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Citations

What is Borage?

borage. (2025). In Merriam-Webster Dictionary. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/borage 

A broad overview of Borage

Hageman, B. (2024, December 10). Borage: a beautiful herb with many benefits. Grow Organic. https://www.groworganic.com/blogs/articles/borage-a-beautiful-herb-with-many-benefits?srsltid=AfmBOorlAOi28B_PjvoYMORhIqEzDctHk2McssEbhsKe870WpYnYA8yn

Use of borage for gamma-linolenic acid (GLA)

Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs. (n.d.). Specialty cropportunitites - borage. Specialty Cropportunities. Retrieved February 24, 2025, from https://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/CropOp/en/indus_misc/oil_crops/borage.html

Borage’s medical potential

BORAGE: Overview, uses, side effects, precautions, interactions, dosing and reviews. (n.d.). Web MD. Retrieved February 24, 2025, from https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-596/borage 

The origin of the word cosmos for the well-arranged flower and the well-ordered universe

Liddell, H. G., & Scott, R. (n.d.). κόσμος. Henry George Liddell, a Greek-English Lexicon. Retrieved February 24, 2025, from https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=ko/smos

Kosmos Meaning - Greek Lexicon | New Testament (NAS). (n.d.). Bible Study Tools. Retrieved February 24, 2025, from https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/kosmos.html

Growing and keeping cosmos as cut flowers

Boeckmann, C. (2025, February 7). Cosmos Flowers: Planting, growing, and caring for Cosmos. Almanac.com. https://www.almanac.com/plant/cosmos

Care and wildlife use

Iannotti, M. (2024, July 19). How to grow and care for cosmos. The Spruce. https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-grow-cosmos-4125538

An account of leafcutter bees using cosmos

Burlew, R. (2017, March 31). Cosmos: a multipurpose bee flower. Honey Bee Suite. https://www.honeybeesuite.com/cosmos-a-multipurpose-bee-flower/

The food value of cosmos pollen and nectar

Hicks, D. M., Ouvrard, P., Baldock, K. C. R., Baude, M., Goddard, M. A., Kunin, W. E., Mitschunas, N., Memmott, J., Morse, H., Nikolitsi, M., Osgathorpe, L. M., Potts, S. G., Robertson, K. M., Scott, A. V., Sinclair, F., Westbury, D. B., & Stone, G. N. (2016). Food for Pollinators: Quantifying the nectar and pollen resources of urban flower meadows. PLoS ONE, 11(6), e0158117. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0158117

Use of quercetin in cosmos rhizomes for treating malaria

Ali, A. H., Sudi, S., Shi-Jing, N., Hassan, W. R. M., Basir, R., Agustar, H. K., Embi, N., Sidek, H. M., & Latip, J. (2021). Dual Anti-Malarial and GSK3Β-Mediated Cytokine-Modulating activities of quercetin are requisite of its potential as a Plant-Derived therapeutic in malaria. Pharmaceuticals, 14(3), 248. https://doi.org/10.3390/ph14030248

One of many personal accounts of using Sulphureus for dye

Keegan, G. (n.d.). Cosmos. Graham Keegan. Retrieved September 5, 2023, from https://www.grahamkeegan.com/cosmos?srsltid=AfmBOooSp8-OAkqSDU6XCI6pd0VP-Ny6aGKZvqfDgCfORtTfFTHmEuRu

Commentary on the potential invasiveness of cosmos

Ask Mr. Smarty Plants. (2013, April 26). Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center - the University of Texas at Austin. https://www.wildflower.org/expert/show.php?id=9284 

Timestamps 

00:37 Should We Grow Non-Native "Beneficial" Flowers?

01:41 Erin’s Sentimental Attachment to Cosmos

03:53 The Plant Face-Off

04:14 Sean’s Plant: Borage

04:25 The Boraginaceae Family

05:19 Borage Etymology

05:58 True Annuals, and How They Die

12:12 What Makes a Flower Perfect?

14:15 Borage’s Native Range

15:11 Gamma-Linolenic Acid

17:20 Eating Borage

18:44 Borage Benefits and Warnings

21:35 Are Hairy Plants Pest Assassins?

25:05 Do Naturalized Plants Stay Non-Invasive? 

30:56 Water Break

32:33 Erin’s Plant: Cosmos

34:01 Cosmos Name Origins

36:19 What’s a Half-Hardy Annual?

37:31 Uses for Cosmos

38:25 Seeking High-Quality Nectar and Pollen

42:22 Growing Cosmos

43:09 Can You Eat Cosmos? No One Agrees.

47:43 Medicinal Uses of Cosmos

49:25 Cosmos Range and Invasiveness

53:38 Do All Flowers Benefit Pollinators?

56:17 Deciding Whether to Plant Non-Native Flowers

57:46 The Things That Get You Gardening

58:56 Contact Us and Outro

Ep. 17 Plants Need Bugs08 Apr 202501:03:50

Plants always win…and to manage it, they need insects, arachnids, and other creepy-crawlies on their side. Of course, those creatures need plants too. In this episode, Sean and Erin are joined by Kelly and Amanda of Bugs Need Heroes. And what happens when you cross-pollinate a gardening podcast with one where an entomologist and an illustrator create bug-based superheroes? There’s a lot of laughter, a heaping scoop of science, and the birth of a new squad of garden defenders.

Insects and their compatriots come armed with some pretty impressive real-world superpowers that savvy gardeners can use to their advantage. This week’s discussion delves into the incredible diversity of insect species, the role biting insects play in pollination, the importance of leveraging friendly neighbourhood garden expertise for advice that suits your location, and the villainy of spraying for mosquitoes. Then there’s the highlight of the episode: superhero personas based on the denizens of the garden, including bumblebees, wolf spiders, and…well, you’ll have to listen to find out.

Want more of Kelly and Amanda? Visit the Bugs Need Heroes website at https://www.bugsneedheroes.com/ or find their Reddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/BugsNeedHeroes/

Fact Check:

The year of the last recorded death by black widow venom in the United States is stated on many websites as 1983. Wikipedia offers a link to the Clinical Toxicology paper this fact apparently comes from, although the link is broken.

If you have questions of your own or if you want to weigh in on these topics (we love learning new things through respectful discussion!), email us or reach out over social media.

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Citation

Bumblebee Proboscises by Rusty

Burlew, R. (2024, July 8). Hey bee, stick out your tongue and say “Ahh.” Honey Bee Suite. https://www.honeybeesuite.com/hey-bee-stick-out-your-tongue-and-say-ahh/

Timestamps

00:00 Introducing Bugs Need Heroes!

02:40 Bugs are everywhere

03:22 How Many Wolf Spiders? We Don't Know. 

04:45 Plants vs. Insects: How they Make New Ones

07:40 Amanda's Real Superhero Background

09:20 Kelly's Real Bug Background

10:53 Mosquitoes are Essential, Actually (Stop Spraying!)

17:43 Context! Nuance! Location Matters.

21:26 The One Species Kelly would Remove from Earth

22:30 Yes, Sean has Mites in his Eyebrows (So Do You)

23:40 Insect Superheroes

24:56 Erin's Insect Hero: Just a Happy Lil Bumblebee

30:45 Kelly's Insect Hero: Wolf Spider

32:46 Black Widow Bites

37:16 Maman the Spider Sculpture in Ottawa

40:03 The Hunter Hunter Phagogenesis Tangent

42:15 Amanda's Luck-Powered Hero Insect

47:50: Sean's Serviceberry Hero

51:18 Is Superman a Plant?

57:33 Snail Teeth are Stronger than Diamonds

58:50 Our Hero Costumes

1:01:16 Shout-Outs

1:02:30 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 16 Q&A Special: Cedars, Compost, and Cardboard Mulch01 Apr 202501:00:08

We’re cultivating a safe space to ask gardening questions!

We have been plotting for some thyme to add some dedicated Q&A episodes to the recording schedule. While we love seeding quick questions into the end of a show, and while many of our most popular episodes have sprouted from a particularly juicy inquiry, there are plenty of other questions that merit ten minutes of discussion rather than sixty or two. In this inaugural Q&A special, we tackle a bushel of cedar and shrub questions and spend some time in the vegetable garden as well:

  • Do you need to mitigate any environmental impacts when removing cedars near your home?
  • Are the rumours true? Is using cardboard mulch in your veggie garden unsafe?
  • Why do some people call Rose of Sharon a “dirty” tree?
  • When an old cedar hedge develops gaps, how can they be filled?
  • Can you shorten an established cedar hedge that’s giving too much shade?
  • What’s the best soil-to-compost ratio to help a struggling vegetable garden?

If you have questions of your own or if you want to weigh in on these topics (we love learning new things through respectful discussion!), email us or reach out over social media.

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Citations

Understanding PFAS

Our current understanding of the human health and environmental risks of PFAS | US EPA. (2024, November 26). US EPA. https://www.epa.gov/pfas/our-current-understanding-human-health-and-environmental-risks-pfas

Figure out if your cardboard mulch has (significant amounts of) PFAS

Olson, T., & Olson, T. (2024, May 23). Is cardboard mulch toxic? – Mother Earth News. Mother Earth News – the Original Guide to Living Wisely. https://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/gardening-techniques/is-cardboard-mulch-toxic-zm0z24jjzols/

Debunking the anti-cardboard crusade

Hoag, M. (2024, April 2). Addressing the 2024 cardboard Sheet-Mulching myth madness. Transformative Adventures. https://transformativeadventures.org/2024/04/01/debunking-the-2024-cardboard-sheet-mulching-myth-madness/ 

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction

00:53 What's Growing On? Erin's False Spring

04:36 What's Growing On? Sean's Pupdate and Seedling Roulette

17:10 Water Break

17:26 Removing Cedars Near a House: Environmental Impacts?

12:35 Is Cardboard Mulch Really Unsafe?

24:48 What Gives Rose of Sharon a "Dirty Tree" Reputation?

31:18 How Can You Fill in Gaps in a Sparse, Old Cedar Hedge?

37:10 Can You Shorten an Established Cedar Hedge?

48:55 What's the Best Soil-to-Compost Ratio for Veggie Gardens?

57:37 Invitation to Conversation

58:39 Conclusion and Contact Us

Ep. 15 Lost Ladies of Garden Writing with Carol Michel25 Mar 202500:41:56

Carol Michel is a garden author and co-host of The Gardenangelists podcast. She boasts of having the world’s largest hoe collection…which is overshadowed only by her library-worthy collection of gardening books. Among the hundreds of volumes on her shelves are hard-to-find copies of books by a number of American women who were horticultural experts of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, but who have been all but forgotten by history. To honour them, Carol started a Substack called the Lost Ladies of Garden Writing. On this week’s episode of Plants Always Win, she invites us into some of their stories. 

Publishing styles and garden trends change over time, but some things stay the same. People want to know how to make their poinsettia re-bloom, how to get rid of pests, how to find the hottest new cultivar. Carol uses genealogical records, newspaper archives, and Google Books to piece together the lives of the women who were answering those questions in decades past, then shares them with her subscribers. It’s a project of passion and dedication, and it has given her some extraordinary stories to tell!

Lost Ladies featured in this episode include:

  • Cynthia Westcott, who saved the Azaleas of the southern United States 
  • Grace (G.A.) Woolson who was, as America’s foremost fern expert, often assumed to be a man
  • Viola Brainerd Baird, whose 1940s Wild Violets of North America is still unmatched
  • Kate Brewster, whose book The Little Garden for Little Money was somewhat hampered by her own wealth
  • Alma C. Guillet moved from Toronto to New York City and catalogued all the trees and shrubs in Central Park
  • Mrs. L.L. Huffman, who wrote under her husband’s initials and was actually called Minnie Enola

Some better-known ladies of garden writing are also mentioned:

  • Cassandra Danz, A.K.A. Mrs. Greenthumbs
  • Elizabeth Lawrence, whose Charlotte, North Carolina garden was so beloved it’s now part of a bird sanctuary
  • Jean Hersey, whose book The Shape of the Year is still read and enjoyed

To enjoy more garden gab with Carol, find her in the following places:

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Timestamps

00:30 Introducing Carol Michel

01:30 The World's Largest Hoe Collection

04:45 Carol's Gardening Book Library

07:40 The Lost Ladies of Garden Writing Project

10:30 Garden Writing Then and Now

11:34 Cynthia Westcott, PhD: The Gardener's Bug Book

13:48 Can We Trust Old Gardening Books?

15:18 Buckner Hollingsworth, Gardening on Main Street

16:51 Carol convinces Sean to Become a Collector

19:57 G.A. (Grace) Woolson, Ferns

24:39 Elizabeth Lawrence, A Southern Garden

26:29 How Carol Does her Research

27:38 Writing Under their Husbands' Names

29:33 Kate Brewster, The Little Garden for Little Money

30:41 Jean Hersey, The Shape of the Year

34:36 Alma C. Guillet, Make Friends of the Trees and Shrubs 

35:20 Cassandra Danz, Mrs. Greenthumbs

38:54 Carol's "Humorous but Helpful" Gardening Books

39:07 Find Carol Online

40:53 Contact us and Outro

Ep. 14 Living Soil with Michelle Bruhn18 Mar 202501:04:35

Soil is the foundation of a healthy garden…or homestead…or farm. For sustainable gardening that gives us nutritious food without depleting the land, we need to know how to feed and maintain living soil. After all, it’s the community of living things in the soil that feeds the plants we eat ourselves. That’s where Michelle Bruhn comes in. Michelle is a suburban homesteading author, speaker, and educator who manages the online information hub Forks in the Dirt. This week, she joins Erin (who’s always excited about home-scale regenerative agriculture) to talk about how she has turned a sandy suburban lot into a tiny paradise that produced almost seven hundred pounds of food in 2024.

Through the course of this conversation, Michelle gives us the dirt on a range of organic practices that build soil, feed it, and maximize its effectiveness, even in a short growing season. We’re talking composting in place with sheet mulching, lasagna gardening, and hügelkultur; supporting healthy soil food webs with companion planting, mulch, and cover crops; and extending the growing season with cold frames, hoop houses, and even plastic bins. If you think you’re already a master of all these things, so did Erin—and this interview got her out gardening in the early-March snow to try something she’s never done before.

If you want to keep learning from Michelle Bruhn, check out…

You can also find her on social media:

Citations:

Jeff Lowenfels’ book Teeming with Microbes, which discusses how adding Nitrogen fertilizer to soil decreases the Nitrogen produced by bacteria:

Lowenfels, J., & Lewis, W. (2010). Teaming with Microbes: The Organic Gardener’s Guide to the Soil Food Web. Timber Press (OR).

Michelle’s recommended source on nutrients and wood decomposition (correction: from USDA, not US Forest Service): 

Marcot, B. G. (2023, February 10). Ecosystem processes related to wood decay. DecAID. https://apps.fs.usda.gov/r6_decaid/views/ecosystem_processes.html

The study on nitrogen immobilization with wood decomposition that Erin referenced:

van der Wal, A., de Boer, W., Smant, W. et al. Initial decay of woody fragments in soil is influenced by size, vertical position, nitrogen availability and soil origin. Plant Soil 301, 189–201 (2007). https://doi.org/10.1007/s11104-007-9437-8

Sepp Holtzer, Hügelkultur expert

Holzer, S. (n.d.). Huegel Culture Design. Sepp Holzer Permaculture. Retrieved March 10, 2025, from https://www.seppholzer.info/huegel-culture-design/

Michigan State Extension Services study on the pest suppression abilities of mustard as a cover crop

Snapp, S., Date, K., Cichy, K., O’Neil, K., & Michigan State University, Department of Crop and Soil Sciences. (2006). Michigan farmers rely on a wide range of cover crops as vital management tools. In Michigan Farmers Rely on a Wide Range of Cover Crops as Vital Management Tools. https://midwestcovercrops.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/MI_2006_Mustards-A-Brassica-Cover-Crop-for-Michigan.pdf

Utah State Extension publication on squash beetles and blue Hubbard squash

USU Extension IPM program. (2021). Blue hubbard squash as a trap crop to suppress squash bugs. In USU Extension IPM Program. https://extension.usu.edu/planthealth/ipm/veg/Trap-Crops-Squash-Bugs.pdf

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Timestamps

00:11 Introduction

01:00 Michelle Bruhn and Forks in the Dirt

03:10 Michelle’s Suburban Homestead

03:26 Lawns for Bees and for Kids

06:03 Growing Neighbours through Gardening

08:28 Sheet Mulching for No-Dig Garden Beds

11:39 Urban and Suburban Pollinator Habitat

17:22 Why Compost Instead of Chemicals?

23:10 Water Break

25:00 Leaf Mulch and the Law of Return

28:55 Lasagna Gardening

30:25 Hügelkultur: Turn Wood Debris into Soil

37:58 Fungal Decomposition Beats Bacterial Decomposition

38:48 Permaculture and Indigenous Knowledge

40:47 Companion Planting: Optimize the Plant Community

43:15 Using Trap Crops for Aphids

46:01 Yellow Mustard and Cover Crops

48:23 Growing Zones and Frost Dates

53:42 Season Extension in Cold Climates

1:02:36 Find Michelle Online

1:03:44 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 18 Seed Starting vs. Direct Sowing15 Apr 202500:54:35

As a changeable April wears on, spring-hungry northern gardeners are anxious to get seeds planted. But should they start those seeds indoors with grow lights or on a widow sill? Or can they put them directly in the ground outside (if the snow ever melts!)? That’s the subject of this versus episode.

Normally, Erin and Sean compete to see who can make their versus topic more interesting. This week, it’s more of a collaboration. Erin gives us the rundown on materials needed for direct sowing (not much but a rake and a gentle watering head are your friends) and Sean does the same for seed starting, covering grow lights, types of soil and soilless media, fans, and more. They compare the pros and cons of each method, which plants have a preference for one or the other, and what gardeners need to know about timing, growing season, and microclimates. They also shine a light on common seed-starting mistakes and explain how hardening off works. As always, accessibility and flexibility are Erin and Sean’s watchwords; as they say, failure is a common part of gardening and anything is worth an experiment. By the end of the episode, you’ll have your own ideas germinating about how to make the most of your gardening season .

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Timestamps

00:12 Introduction

00:44 What's Growing On: Erin's Seed Snails

02:50 What's Growing On: Sean's late-season winter sowing

05:17 The Plant Face-Off, Sort Of

05:32 Water Break

05:38 Definitions: Direct Sowing

06:16 Definitions: Seed Starting

07:05 When do I Direct Sow my Seeds?

12:35 Winter Sowing: a Hybrid

13:20 When do I Start Seeds Indoors?

18:46 Materials for Direct Sowing

21:33 Materials for Seed Starting

22:49 Soilless Media

24:02 "With Mycorrhizae" Advertising

31:04 Which Plants To Start Indoors or Out?

37:10 Containers and Up-Potting

37:43 Hardening Off and Transplant Shock

42:45 Pros of Starting Seeds Indoors

45:05 Pros of Direct Sowing Outdoors

48:14 Sean's Biggest Problem: Managing Moisture

49:22 Erin's Biggest Problem: Labels

53:06 Outro

Ep. 19 Moths and Butterflies with Stoned Affection22 Apr 202501:05:49

Susie of Stoned Affection is a practicing entomologist who has been raising moths and butterflies—and raising awareness of them—since 2014. She also creates beautiful art from lepidoptera taxidermy. This week Susie joins Sean to talk about what it’s like to work with moths and butterflies, especially the ethical considerations that go into sourcing and raising both native and tropical species. If you’ve ever wondered about butterfly farming, butterfly houses, and sending live specimens through the mail, this is the episode to satisfy your curiosity. You’ll also find out what Susie thinks of lepidoptera in media, whether butterflies make good pollinators, and what the differences are between butterflies and moths. 

To learn more about Susie, her art, and her outreach, visit her website at www.stonedaffection.com, or catch a Twitch live stream at https://www.twitch.tv/stonedaffection.

You can also find Susie on social media: 

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@stonedaffection 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stonedaffection/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/stonedaffection 

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Timestamps

00:46 Introducing Susie of Stoned Affection|

03:21 Name Origins: Plants Always Win

05:00 Ordering Insects by Post

07:45 The Difference Between Moths and Butterflies

11:40 The Family Lepidoptera

12:50 Butterflies are Surprisingly Nasty, Little Creatures

14:23 Moths That Can't Eat

16:12 Are Butterflies Good Pollinators?

17:35 Making Silk from Silk Moths

19:25 What do Moths Get Up to at Night?

22:30 Ethically Sourcing Tropical and Local Insects

27:00 Farmed Tropical Insects

28:00 Butterfly Houses: Good or Bad?

30:50 Susie's Favourite Squeaking Moth Species

33:10 Susie's Favourite Butterfly

35:19 What Happens when a Butterfly Pupates?

40:28 Lepidoptera in Movies and TV Shows

43:20 Susie's Public Outreach Work

47:14 Sean's Relationship with Insects

50:40 Jumping Spiders as Pets

54:52 Earthworms in North America

58:45 Susie's Plugs

1:04:15 Susie's Word of Wisdom

1:04:30 Conclusion and Contact Us

Ep. 20 Ask Erin Anything about Monarch Butterflies29 Apr 202500:52:44

How much expertise does a children’s author need to write about monarch butterflies? In this episode, we find out.

It’s a special show for a special day. Our co-host Erin Alladin is launching her second picture book, Wait Like a Seed, and we’re testing just how much research she did….and how much she retained. Wait Like a Seed uses the relationship between monarch butterflies and milkweed to teach kids the life cycle of a seed, and at the back of the book are nine extra pages of information about both monarchs and milkweed. We know from Episode 6: Milkweed vs. Beardtongue that she knows her stuff on asclepias. But what about Danaus plexxipus? 

Sean comes in hot with some challenging questions from his young daughter (How do monarchs fly so far?). “How long do monarchs live” is a trick question, but Erin is ready for it. The conversation wings its way through life cycles (egg, larva, pupa, adult), migration (incredible), and the threats they face (numerous). If you’d like to help monarchs in your own garden, community, or region, Erin and Sean tell you how to grow a butterfly garden, join a conservation initiative, and access excellent resources online.  

For more information about Wait Like a Seed, contact your local bookstore or visit https://pajamapress.ca/book/wait-like-a-seed/. You might also enjoy Erin’s previous picture book, Outside, You Notice: https://pajamapress.ca/book/outside-you-notice/.  

Find information about Erin’s life as an author, editor, and presenter (she does great nature-based school visits!) at https://erin-alladin.com/

Follow her on social media:

TikTok (Gardening account): https://www.tiktok.com/@earthundaunted 

TikTok (Writing and Editing Account): https://www.tiktok.com/@erinalladin

Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/erinalladin.bsky.social 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erin-alladin/ 

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Learn More and Help Monarchs

The Butterflyway Project: https://davidsuzuki.org/take-action/act-locally/butterflyway/ 

Xerces Society Milkweed Finder: https://www.xerces.org/milkweed/milkweed-seed-finder

North American Native Plant Society: https://nanps.org/native-plant-societies/

Canadian Wildlife Federation Garden Habitat Certification: https://cwf-fcf.org/en/explore/gardening-for-wildlife/action/get-certified/ 

The Mayors’ Monarch Pledge: https://www.nwf.org/MayorsMonarchPledge 

iNaturalist: https://www.inaturalist.org/ 

Monarch Joint Venture: https://monarchjointventure.org/

Monarch Watch: https://monarchwatch.org/ 

Citations

How fast monarchs fly

Davis, A. (2017, January 1). How fast does a monarch fly? A close look at the science. monarchscience. https://www.monarchscience.org/single-post/2016/12/31/how-fast-does-a-monarch-fly-a-close-look-at-the-science 

Monarch migration and daily travel distances

Fall Migration - How do they do it? (2022, August 11). Monarch Joint Venture. https://monarchjointventure.org/blog/fall-migration-how-do-they-do-it 

Monarch Migration. (n.d.). Monarch Watch. Retrieved April 28, 2025, from https://monarchwatch.org/migration/ 

The monarch life cycle

Life cycle. (2024, September 19). Monarch Joint Venture. https://monarchjointventure.org/monarch-biology/life-cycle

Livestock eating milkweed

Milkweed (Asclepias spp.) : USDA ARS. (n.d.). Retrieved April 28, 2025, from https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/logan-ut/poisonous-plant-research/docs/milkweed-asclepias-spp/

What Monarchs do during the Winter

Monarch Joint Venture. (2022, May 26). Overwintering. https://monarchjointventure.org/faq/overwintering

The rumored, presumably false, Lake Superior detour

Inglis-Arkell, E. (2013, May 24). Butterflies remember a mountain that hasn’t existed for millennia. Gizmodo. https://gizmodo.com/butterflies-remember-a-mountain-that-hasnt-existed-for-509321799

Identifying Males vs. Females

Male and Female Monarch Butterflies: How can you tell? (n.d.). Journey North. Retrieved April 28, 2025, from https://journeynorth.org/tm/monarch/id_male_female.html 

Monarchs’ Endangered Status

Monarch butterfly proposed for Endangered Species Act protection | U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service. (2024, December 10). FWS.gov. https://www.fws.gov/press-release/2024-12/monarch-butterfly-proposed-endangered-species-act-protection 

Canada, E. a. C. C. (2025, February 18). Monarch Butterfly: profile of a species at risk. Canada.ca. https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/species-risk-public-registry/factsheets/monarch-butterfly.html

Monarch. (n.d.). ontario.ca. Retrieved April 28, 2025, from https://www.ontario.ca/page/monarch 

OE (Ophryocystis elektroscirrha), the protozoan parasite that affects monarch butterflies

University of Georgia. (n.d.). What is OE? | monarchhealth. Monarchhealth. Retrieved April 28, 2025, from https://www.monarchparasites.org/oe 

Natural history. (n.d.). Center for Biological Diversity. Retrieved April 28, 2025, from https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/species/invertebrates/monarch_butterfly/natural_history.html 

Pupae: They Go Runny

Jabr, F. (2024, February 20). How Does a Caterpillar Turn into a Butterfly? Scientific American. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/caterpillar-butterfly-metamorphosis-explainer/ 

Timestamps

00:21 Introducing Erin Alladin, Children's Nonfiction Author

03:20 About the Picture Book Wait Like a Seed

6:48 Water Break: Contest Announcement

7:40 How Can Monarchs Fly for So Long?

10:05 Monarch Butterfly Life Cycle, Life Spans, and Migration

15:15 How Long and Far Monarchs Fly in a Day

17:35 Mass Migration Tangent

20:03 Identifying Male and Female Monarchs

21:15 Monarch Conservation Status

24:15 Threats Faced by Monarchs

25:13 Monarchs are Specialist Insects

27:32 Cocoon vs. Chrysalis

29:01 The Dangers of Tropical Milkweed and OE

32:15 Butterfly Metamorphosis

35:35 Is it Okay to Rear Butterflies?

39:45 Growing a Butterfly Garden

42:30 Protecting Butterfly Habitat in the Community

44:50 Monarch Predators and Toxicity

48:40 Plant Rant: You Don't Need Pesticides

51:10 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 21 Permaculture and Biodynamics with Debby Ward06 May 202500:35:13

Have you ever wanted to go a step beyond organic gardening and buzzword-y sustainable practices? To grow food, flowers, community, and even society in relationship with the land? This week’s guest, Debby Ward of Prior Unity Garden, helps her clients and students do just that in their own yards. This week she joins Erin to talk about two systems she draws on in her work: permaculture and biodynamics.

Debby shares her own journey in organic gardening and her mission to help clients understand their gardens, not just to maintain them. She and Erin compare notes on the principles of permaculture (Observe and interact! Use small, slow changes! Stack functions!) and the ethics that underpin it (earth care, people care, fair share). Then Debby introduces Erin to biodynamics, another holistic approach to food production that seeks to marry the scientific and the spiritual. The conversation emphasizes the debt owed to Indigenous ways of knowing, the interconnectedness of gardening practices, and the importance of building community relationships with both the human and the more-than-human worlds.

Debby offers courses, coaching, blog posts, and resources a-plenty at her website: http://priorunitygarden.com/

You can also find her on social media: 

Pinterest: https://ca.pinterest.com/priorunitygarden/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8PXaUp3Y5_8QXmu4Wt2vKQ 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/priorunitygarden/?ref=embed_page#

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Timestamps

00:12 Intro

00:48 Introducing Debby Ward

2:07 Prior Unity Garden

05:17 Defining Permaculture: Integrated, Evolving Systems

07:00 The Permaculture Ethics: Earth Care, People Care, Fair Share

08:25 The Permaculture Principles

11:12 Permaculture Origins

15:20 How Debby Applies Permaculture with Clients

18:32 Water Break: Giveaway!

19:30 Biodynamics: Relationship with the Spirit of the Land

22:15 Applying Biodynamics as a Home Gardener

24:10 Provings, Research, and Radishes

26:45 Using Biodynamics with Clients: Everything is Connected

29:09 Resources and Contact Debby

30:08 What the Horticulture Industry Could Learn from Holistic Practices

32:20 Find Debby on Social Media

33:49 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 22 No Mow May...Debunked?14 May 202500:45:49

Every spring, the gardening and sustainability side of the internet explodes with posts: Practice No Mow May! Let your lawn bloom! Support pollinators! But does a lawn and garden initiative begun in the UK have the same environmental impact in North America? That’s the subject under scrutiny in this episode as we examine whether well-meaning horticulture advice can be exported around the world. 

This week, Sean comes armed with research while Erin is equipped with curiosity. Is practicing No Mow May in Ontario helpful, harmful, or neutral? Does a lawn full of imported dandelions somehow hinder our pollinators? What native plants should they be visiting in spring? Sean shares the history of the No Mow May initiative, the research that has been undertaken in recent years, and the nuance needed to consider non-pollinating insects as well. And of course our hosts both make sure to send you on your way equipped with ideas for lawn care and landscaping that really do result in healthy soil and thriving wildlife and insects for your Ontario garden. 

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Citations

The World Wildlife Fund’s suggestions for better practices than No Mow May

Jakubowski, E. (2024, May 1). Does ‘No Mow May’ really help pollinators? - WWF.CA. WWF.CA. https://wwf.ca/stories/no-mow-may-help-pollinators/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=10648121956&gbraid=0AAAAADtP0wTPs9QPnyYBcokUaZZXTAaOt&gclid=CjwKCAjwiezABhBZEiwAEbTPGLUOHJp-q4gXd_Nb2UdOWbyxzZeeJUjZRQwsA1thuLTxyKe-4roM0hoC5YcQAvD_BwE

A discussion of what will pop up from your lawn’s seed bank if you don’t mow

Vogt, B. (2023, April 9). Just say no to no mow may. Monarch Gardens. https://www.monarchgard.com/thedeepmiddle/just-say-no-to-no-mow-may



Timestamps

00:12 Intro

2:06 What's Growing On: Erin's Spring Bulbs

3:22: What's Growing On: Sean's Client Gardens...with Erin!

6:05 Water Break

06:15 What is No Mow May (and Mo-Mo May)?

07:42: Does No Mow May Work in North America?

08:15 The Harms of Not Mowing in May in Ontario

11:15 Our Native Pollinators Visit Shrubs in May

12:38 Studies Conducted on No Mow May

14:10 Tree Seedlings vs. Meadows (Who Will Win?)

15:00 Lawn-Cutting Equipment Options

18:15 Pros of No Mow May

19:50 How to Help Your Lawn Support Insects

23:46 Converting Lawn to Wildflowers

30:25 Better Ways to Help Pollinators

38:00 Doing Without Pesticides, Herbicides, and Synthetic Fertilizers

43:00 Say No to Absolutes, Usually

44:23 Conclusion and Contact Us

Ep. 23 Life, Death, & Master Gardeners with Cole Imperi20 May 202501:01:22

Cole Imperi is known for her trailblazing work in thanatology, the study of death, dying and grief. But she’s also a master gardener: someone who helps others learn how to make life flourish. In this interview, she shows us how grief and gardening have much in common, from the importance of community engagement and cultural sensitivity to the roles of healing, resistance, and emotional well-being. After all, gardening can’t be separated from cultural practices and traditions. Everything in gardening connects back to broader societal themes. 

On a more pragmatic level, Cole and Sean compare notes on how the Master Gardeners in Ontario (Sean) and Los Angeles (Cole) are trained, and what role they serve in their communities. The Master Gardener mandate is to offer free, unbiased gardening advice to the public, but how they do that can vary from place to place. Cole also reveals to our hosts the existence of master preservers in the United States, and the wealth of safe, tested recipes available from the National Center for Home Food Preservation. The conversation touches on the roles of citizen science and the Master Gardeners in the wake of the 2025 LA wildfires, the potential gardening has to spark social change, California’s unique gardening sunset zones, the right to rot, and the role of embalming in various cultures. 

Trigger warnings: death, dying, embalming, LA wildfires

For more on grief, loss, gardening, and thanobotany, visit Cole’s website at coleimperi.com.

You can also find Cole on social media:

TikTok: @coleimperi

Instagram: @imperi

The Curious Spirit newsletter: https://imperi.substack.com/ 

Cole’s Plugs

The University of California Master Gardeners: https://ucanr.edu/statewide-program/uc-master-gardener-program 

The National Center for Home Food Preservation: nchfp.uga.edu 

Sunset Zones: https://sunsetplantcollection.com/climate-zones/ 

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Timestamps

00:38 Introducing Cole Imperi

1:27 Thanatology: the Study of Death, Dying, Grief, and Loss

06:42 How Cole Came to the Master Gardeners of LA

08:02 Master Gardeners in the United States

11:44 How Sean Came to the Master Gardeners of Muskoka

16:16 The Mission of the Master Gardeners

20:33 Community Loss and Gardening in Glassell Park, Los Angeles

23:15 Training Master Gardeners in Grief and Trauma after the LA Wildfires

27:15 Soil Samples, Citizen Science, and The Plants that Survived the Fires

29:05 Plant Names: Accessibility and Decolonization

33:05 Garden Plots and Cemetery Plots: What is Permanent?

35:08 The Master Food Preserver Program

39:30 Water Break

40:19 The Land We Take Up After Death

44:18 Culture and the Embalming Spectrum

50:28 Cole’s Favourite Plant: The Sunchoke

52:04 Hardiness Zones and Sunset Zones

58:10 Find Cole Online

58:57 Cole’s Plugs

59:28 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 24 Serviceberry vs. Haskap27 May 202501:03:38

We’re berry excited for this extra delicious plant face-off. 

In this week’s shrub showdown, our hosts go head to head with serviceberries and haskaps. Sean represents the former, a member of the Amelanchier genus also known as saskatoons, juneberries, and shadbushes, among other names. With cocky confidence of a guaranteed win, he extols their hardiness (down to zone 1!), their robust hybridization, and their independence when it comes to fertilization. Who needs a pollenizer? Not serviceberry! Sometimes they don’t even need pollinators. With tangents into breeding seedless fruits and food-as-medicine research, we savour serviceberry’s taste, versatility, abundance, ecosystem benefits, and ability to thrive across North America.

Erin swings in second with haskaps, a relatively new fruit on the commercial block. She tells us about breeding programs in near-polar regions around the world that are crossing varieties from Canada, Russia, and Japan for taste and resilience. While haskaps do need pollenizers to set fruit, Erin argues for their ease of care, their long lives, and their bountiful all-at-once harvests. The conversation delves into humane ways of bird-proofing berry crops, the perils of “superfood” marketing, and the fragility of fruit trees that bloom too soon. Haskap blossoms, by the way, can survive a -7 C frost. 

Who made you want to grow their berry of choice in your own garden? Vote for your favourite by tagging us on social media and using the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 

Citations

Serviceberry Species in Ontario

Muma, W. (n.d.). Serviceberries Group. Ontario Trees and Shrubs. https://ontariotrees.com/main/group.php?id=81

The Downy Serviceberry Tree

Tree Canada, Arbres Canada. (2017, August 6). Downy serviceberry (Amelanchier arborea) - Tree Canada. Tree Canada. https://treecanada.ca/resources/trees-of-canada/downy-serviceberry-amelanchier-arborea/ 

The cultivar “Altaglow”, a dwarf Saskatoon, is hardy to zone 1

Mahr, S. (n.d.). Serviceberry, Amelanchier spp. Wisconsin Horticulture. https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/serviceberry-amelanchier-spp/ 

Serviceberry phytochemical research

Donno, D., Cerutti, A., Mellano, M., Prgomet, Z., & Beccaro, G. (2016). Serviceberry, a berry fruit with growing interest of industry: Physicochemical and quali-quantitative health-related compound characterisation. Journal of Functional Foods, 26, 157–166. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jff.2016.07.014

Haskap resilience.

Camerise Québec. (2025, January 21). Grow haskap - Camerise Québec. https://camerisequebec.com/en/grow-haskap/

Growing haskaps in Canada resource from the University of Saskatchewan breeding program

Bors, B. & University of Saskatchewan. (n.d.). Growing haskap in Canada. https://research-groups.usask.ca/fruit/documents/haskap/growinghaskapinCanada.pdf

Antioxidants and Vitamin C in haskaps: Specialty Croppertunities

Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs. (n.d.-a). Haskap. Specialty Croppertunities. https://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/CropOp/en/spec_fruit/berries/hask.html

Haskap care for home gardeners

Haskaps - Gardening at USASK - College of Agriculture and Bioresources. (n.d.). Gardening. https://gardening.usask.ca/gardening-advice/gardenline-nested-pages/food-plant-pages/fruit/haskap.php

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Timestamps

00:12 Introduction 

1:12 What's Growing On: Erin’s Weeding Adventures

1:58 What’s Growing On: Sean’s Woodchips and Natural Wall

06:12 Should Have Asked for a Hoe

09:15 The Plant Face Off: Serviceberries, Sean’s Guaranteed Win?

10:20 A Serviceberry By Any Other Name

13:30 Range and Growing Habits

17:35 Sean’s Ode to the Beauty of the Serviceberry

20:50 Apomixis: This Plant Don’t Need No Man (or Woman)

22:40 Diploids and Polyploids: Making Seedless Plants

26:35 Serviceberry Hardiness Zones

29:30 Serviceberry Pests and Diseases

32:16 When Will Western Medicine Research More Food?

33:59 All Hail Alexis Nikole, AKA Black Forager

36:42 The Plant Face-Off: Haskaps

35:06 Haskap Etymology: Hasukappu, Honeyberry, Lonicera caerulea

38:36 The Endless Loop of Inter-Referential Internet Research

40:27 The Cultivation History of Haskaps

43:10 The University of Saskatchewan Breeding Program

45:00 Using Fruit Tree Pollenizers

49:17 What’s a Haskap Like Anyway? Totally Tubular.

48:53 How to Know Your Haskap Berries are Ripe

50:11 Safe Bird Netting for Berries

51:43 Haskaps Tolerate Cold, Clay, Damp, Disease, and Pests

54:25 Haskap Uses: Food, Medicine and Superfoods

56:45 Plant Care: Growing Haskaps at Home

58:55 Patented Plants

1:02:00 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 25 Smart Hydroponics with Jennifer Holston04 Jun 202500:56:04

Smart hydroponics pioneer Jennifer Holston grows a living pantry in her home through all seasons. And so can you. 

When most of us hear the word “hydroponics,” we picture sprawling operations in a warehouse or basement, possibly constructed from home-drilled PVC pipes and buckets. We might also have a very specific idea of the kind of plants that are grown hydroponically. But over the last decade, attractive, compact, and easy-to-use home-scale hydroponic systems have become available. This week’s guest, Jennifer Holston, was an early adopter and she uses her bookshelf-sized indoor garden to grow everything from the expected herbs and lettuce to tomatoes, cucumbers, and even an experimental pumpkin. 

Jennifer wants everyone to feel comfortable embracing hydroponic gardening—not necessarily as a replacement for growing plants in soil, but as a complement to it. She explains how the technology in today’s hydroponic systems (including AI features in some) has taught her to be more sensitive to her plants’ needs, and how this kind of gardening is both surprisingly sustainable and prodigiously productive. The conversation addresses nutrient management, plant care, disease prevention, maintenance, and resources where listeners can learn more (see below for that list). 

Jennifer is working on the first comprehensive book for home hydroponic gardeners, Arable: Modern Indoor Hydroponics to Sustain and Fulfill (coming in 2026). Stay tuned for announcements (and read Jennifer’s blog posts) on her website at www.Gardening-anywhere.com.

You can also find Jennifer on social media:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GardeningAnywhere

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gardeninganywhere

Online Resources

Cornell University—Agriculture and Life Sciences, www.greenhouse.cornell.edu 

University of Arizona—www.ag.arizona.edu/hydroponic 

U.S. Department of Agriculture—www.usda.gov 

National Library of Medicine (search here for studies about hydroponics)—https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ 

Books

Howard Resh, Hobby Hydroponics 2nd ed.

Donald L. Coan, Toward a Hydroponic Future

Fact Check

The name of the bacterium sometimes used to counter Pythium (root rot) in hydroponic systems is Bacillus amyloliquefaciens. 

Jennifer was reaching for remembered details of a study that compared nutrients in tomatoes grown hydroponically vs. in soil. Here’s the study she was referencing: 

Verdoliva, S. G., Gwyn-Jones, D., Detheridge, A., & Robson, P. (2021). Controlled comparisons between soil and hydroponic systems reveal increased water use efficiency and higher lycopene and β-carotene contents in hydroponically grown tomatoes. Scientia Horticulturae, 279, 109896. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.scienta.2021.109896

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Timestamps

00:34 Introducing Jennifer Holston, Smart Hydroponics Pioneer

02:06 Growing Hydroponically through Texas Summers and Michigan Winters

03:00 Buttons, Lights, and AI: What’s New in Modern Home Hydroponics

06:30 Using and Maintaining Your Hydroponic System

12:00 Air, Pruning, and Pollination (with Dinosaurs?)

16:50 Using Nutrient Mixes for Abundantly Nutritious Produce

18:44 Sustainability and Resource Use in Hydroponics

25:04 Comparing Hydroponics to Traditional Gardening

26:15 AI in Gardening: Not Scary, it Turns Out

30:20 Beyond Cannabis: Hydroponics Preconceptions

37:38 Growing Vining Plants in Your Home

39:30 Keeping it Clean: Avoiding Disease in a Hydroponic System

43:18 Dealing with Hard Water and Chlorinated Water

46:47 Graduating from the Garden AI’s Mentorship

50:00 Resources for Aspiring Hydroponic Gardeners

52:29 Where to Find Jennifer Online

53:11 Jennifer’s Upcoming Book on Home Hydroponics

54:38 Conclusion and Contact Us

Ep. 26 Tomato vs. Pepper Part I12 Jun 202501:01:16

In this shady plant face-off, Sean and Erin explore two of the gardening world’s favourite nightshades: tomatoes and peppers. Both are members of the family Solanaceae, and have plenty of traits in common, so rather than splitting the episode in half our two hosts try a livelier approach this week, passing the stage back and forth to talk about their chosen plant’s botany, etymology, growing habits, and pest and disease management. Prepare for a wealth of interesting information (did you know the Spanish word for tomato references an old belief in their aphrodisiac qualities?) alongside practical gardening tips (make sure you don’t feed your pepper plant too late in the season). 

And what about our other usual categories of cultural history, culinary and medical uses, and fascinating facts? Well, there’s just so much to say about these delicious horticultural staples that you’ll have to tune in next week to hear the rest. 

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Citations

Tomato overview and etymology

Solanum lycopersicum (Tomato, Tomatoes). (n.d.). North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/solanum-lycopersicum/#:~:text=The%20genus%20name%2C%20Solanum%2C%20is,when%20they%20came%20to%20Europe

A History of Tomatoes

The University of Vermont. (n.d.). A History of Tomatoes. University of Vermont Extension. https://www.uvm.edu/extension/news/history-tomatoes#:~:text=Tomatoes%20have%20undergone%20centuries%20of,Andes%20of%20western%20South%20America 

Heirloom Vegetables

Heirloom vegetables. (n.d.). Wisconsin Horticulture. https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/heirloom-vegetables/ 

Adventitious Roots on Tomatoes

Grant, A. (2021, June 19). Bumpy tomato stems: Learn about white growths on tomato plants. Gardening Know How. https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/tomato/white-growths-on-tomato-plants.htm 

Carnivorous Tomatoes!

Chase, M. W., Christenhusz, M. J. M., Sanders, D., & Fay, M. F. (2009). Murderous plants: Victorian Gothic, Darwin and modern insights into vegetable carnivory. Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society, 161(4), 329–356. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1095-8339.2009.01014.x 

Bell pepper overview

Capsicum annuum Grossum Group (Bell Pepper, Green Pepper, Red Pepper, Sweet Pepper). (n.d.). North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. Retrieved June 2, 2025, from https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/capsicum-annuum-grossum-group/#:~:text=The%20Grossum%20Group%20of%20this,plant%20grows%20upright%20and%20bushy. 

Hot pepper overview

Capsicum frutescens (Bird Pepper, Capsicum, Hot Pepper, Tabasco Pepper). (n.d.). North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. Retrieved June 4, 2025, from https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/capsicum-frutescens/

Growing peppers in Canada

College of Agriculture and Bioresources. (n.d.). Peppers. Gardening at USASK. Retrieved June 2, 2025, from https://gardening.usask.ca/gardening-advice/gardenline-nested-pages/food-plant-pages/vegetables/peppers.php 

Planting conditions for peppers: home gardeners

Jeavons, J. (2012). How to Grow More Vegetables, eighth edition: (and Fruits, Nuts, Berries, Grains, and Other Crops) Than You Ever Thought Possible on Less Land Than You Can Imagine (8th ed.). Random House Digital, Inc.

Growing peppers profitably as a market gardener

Fortier, J., & Bilodeau, M. (2014). The market gardener: A Successful Grower’s Handbook for Small-scale Organic Farming. New Society Publishers.

Toxicity of capsaicin

Rohrig, B. (2013). Hot peppers: Muy caliente! In Chemmatters. American Chemical Society. https://www.acs.org/chemmatters 

Timestamps

00:12 Introduction

01:08 What's Growing On: Erin's doing EVERYTHING

01:35 What's Growing On: Sean's Grafting, Chickens, and Late Frosts

03:40 Canada in June: A Compressed Garden Season

05:24 Water Break: Fruits vs. Vegetables

07:38 Botanical Background: Solanaceae, the Nightshade Family

10:50 Tomato Taxonomy

11:53 The Native Range of Tomatoes

14:07 Hot Peppers, Bell Peppers, and Cayenne Pepper

16:37 Aztec Empire Tangent

18:19 Etymology and Black Pepper vs. Capsicum Peppers

20:03 Caring for Tomatoes

22:36 How Deep do you Plant Your Tomato?

24:59 Starting Tomatoes from Seed

26:56 Soil and Fertilization for Tomatoes

29:53 Grafting Tomatoes

31:35 Tomato Toxins

34:33 How Peppers Grow

37:40 Don't Fertilize Peppers too Late

39:35 Should You Top Your Pepper Plants?

42:16 How Market Gardeners Grow Peppers

43:30 Irrigation and Blossom-End Rot

45:26 Pests and Diseases of Peppers

46:50 Pests and Diseases of Tomatoes

52:05 How to Mitigate Pests and Disease

59:41 Outro

Ep. 28 Cultivation Activism with Lorraine Johnson25 Jun 202501:15:32

This week we talk about the activism embedded in native plant gardening and the creation of pollinator habitat with Lorraine Johnson.

Lorraine styles herself as a “cultivation activist”. It’s a term she came up with to describe the common purpose at the intersection of everything she does, from writing books to giving talks to supporting the fight against harmful grass and weed bylaws. This episode is for anyone who:

  • feels guilt or overwhelm when they think about gardening, native plants, and invasive species
  • feels anger or frustration about garden centres promoting invasive plants
  • needs tools and resources to fight bylaws that make it hard to grow ecologically responsible gardens (even in cities that have signed pollinator pledges and are investing in flood protection!)
  • wants to feel re-energized about the value of gardening as activism

You can find Lorraine online at https://lorrainejohnson.ca, where she shares her bibliography, her presentation topics, a blog with lots of updates on native-plant advocacy, and a (sometimes up-to-date) list of upcoming events where she’ll be presenting. 

Here are the resources Lorraine shared for bylaw advocacy:

Network of Nature’s interactive map for finding a native plant nursery near you: https://networkofnature.org/where-to-buy.htm/ 

Ecological Design Lab’s Bylaws for Biodiversity toolkit for municipalities: https://ecologicaldesignlab.ca/site/uploads/2024/07/EDL_Bylaws-Biodiversity_ToolkitforMunicipalities.pdf

The David Suzuki Foundation Action Alert Bylaw tool

https://davidsuzuki.org/action/bylaws-for-biodiversity/ 

The 1000 Islands Master Gardeners’ post about the Kingston, Ontario bylaw reform on which they collaborated: https://1000islandsmastergardeners.ca/2024/07/29/prohibited-plants-in-kingstons-new-bylaw/

A news story about Kyla Moore’s advocacy on Thunder Bay, Ontario’s bylaw change: https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-news/thunder-bay-could-be-a-leader-says-boulevard-garden-advocate-9982234 

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TImestamps

00:11 Introducing Lorraine Johnson

01:29 Cultivation Activist: Making Change with Plants

07:53 Native-Plant Gardening for Joy, not as a Burden

11:16 Tips to get Started with Native Plants

12:40 Finding Your Community of Pollinator People

15:52 Relieving the Burden: Do the Best You Can

17:50 What has Changed in Four Decades of Native-Plant Gardening

23:13 Meet People Where they're at

25:45 Reclaiming Responsibility as a Joy

27:14 Plants as our Kin

27:20 Changing Language: Naturalized vs. Native

31:44 Changing Language: Invasive Species and Groundcovers

34:46 Native Groundcover Options

38:00 Gardening Isn't Just for Humans

40:00 Reforming Grass and Weeds Bylaws

45:00 Convincing Municipalities to Change Bad Bylaws

46:00 Kyla Moore's Successful Bylaw Campaign in Thunder Bay, Ontario

47:41 Proactive Bylaw Reform in Kingston, Ontario

48:48 Native Plant Suggestions for New Developments

51:07 Street Trees and Project Swallowtail in Toronto

54:01 The Canadian Coalition for Invasive Plant Regulation

58:50 "Nothing Will Grow Here." Working with the Land

1:05:55 2025: A Year of Abundance

1:09:01 Shout-Out: David Suzuki Foundation Action Alert Bylaws

1:11:12 Finding Lorraine Online

1:14:04 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 27 Tomato vs. Pepper Part II17 Jun 202500:49:10

It’s Part II of the nightshade party!

Sean and Erin plunge back in with tomatoes and peppers, covering cultural history, culinary and medical uses, and fun facts about these garden staples of the nightshade family. If you could look back thousands of years to see gardens in the Andes mountains, you would find both of them growing there. Find out how peppers once acted both as a trade good and a discipline tool, where tomatoes have spread most around the world, and the truth about the fantastical-sounding tomato-potato. 

If you want to know more about growing tomatoes and peppers or to explore their botany and etymology, be sure to check out Part I of this plant face-off. 

Who brought the most fascinating facts about their plant this week? Vote for borage or cosmos by tagging us on social media and using the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 



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Citations

The biggest global tomato-growing nations today

Solanum lycopersicum (Tomato, Tomatoes). (n.d.). North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/solanum-lycopersicum/#:~:text=The%20genus%20name%2C%20Solanum%2C%20is,when%20they%20came%20to%20Europe

Tomato varieties, history, and misconceptions of toxicity

The University of Vermont. (n.d.). A History of Tomatoes. University of Vermont Extension. https://www.uvm.edu/extension/news/history-tomatoes#:~:text=Tomatoes%20have%20undergone%20centuries%20of,Andes%20of%20 western%20South%20africa 

Heirloom vegetables

Heirloom vegetables. (n.d.). Wisconsin Horticulture. https://hort.extension.wisc.edu/articles/heirloom-vegetables/ 

Carnivorous tomatoes!

Chase, M. W., Christenhusz, M. J. M., Sanders, D., & Fay, M. F. (2009). Murderous plants: Victorian Gothic, Darwin and modern insights into vegetable carnivory. Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society, 161(4), 329–356. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1095-8339.2009.01014.x 

Toxicity of capsaicin

Rohrig, B. (2013). Hot peppers: Muy caliente! In Chemmatters. American Chemical Society. https://www.acs.org/chemmatters 

The debate about weaponizing capsaicin

Peppers as non-lethal weapons. (2022). In The Royal Society of Chemistry eBooks (pp. 145–155). https://doi.org/10.1039/9781839160646-00145

Chili peppers in cultural history

Kelly, V. a. P. B. C. P. (2021, March 5). The Trail of Fire: The Story of the Chili Pepper. Synaptic Space. https://synapticspace.wordpress.com/2019/05/02/the-long-journey-of-the-chili-pepper/

The capsaicin isn’t in the pepper seeds

Cronin, J. R. (2002). The chili pepper’s pungent principle: capsaicin delivers diverse health benefits. Alternative and Complementary Therapies, 8(2), 110–113. https://doi.org/10.1089/10762800252909865 

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction

01:28 Culinary and Medicinal Uses of Peppers

04:30 Pepper Spray Throughout History

05:55 Is Capsaicin Toxic? 

07:00 Why Capsaicin Burns

09:44 Health Benefits of Capsaicin

12:24 Nutritional Benefits of Tomatoes

16:15 A Brief History of Tomatoes

20:41 A Brief History of Peppers

27:00 Tomato Fun Facts 

30:00 Heirloom Varieties

38:43 The Tomato Potato

40:36 Tomatoes are Carnivorous?

43:22 Pepper Seeds are not Where the Heat Is!

44:45 The Scoville Scale to Measure the Heat of Peppers

37:37 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 29 Climate Action with Lauren Saville17 Jul 202500:39:43

This week we’re celebrating the difference that can be made when a regional government supports its people and businesses in taking climate action. Get inspired by impactful local initiatives in Muskoka, Ontario, like:

  • the Climate Hero Program, which awards individuals and businesses Bronze, Silver, and Gold rankings for the climate-friendly actions they take (including planting a pollinator garden!)
  • the Muskoka EnvironHub website packed with resources
  • the Muskoka GeoHub, an online web mapping portal featuring floodplain mapping, real-time water levels, shoreline videos, and more
  • a Community Energy and Emissions Reduction Plan
  • and, importantly, a Corporate Greenhouse Gas Initiative since the onus for change cannot be on residents alone.

Our guest, Lauren Saville, is the Community Climate Initiatives Coordinator in Muskoka. Her work takes her into the heart of a cottage-country community where “the environment is the economy and the economy is the environment.” She helps residents understand how the changing climate is impacting their wallets and ways of life, and offers them opportunities to make real change. She gives presentations to schools and to the public, inspiring and equipping them to take action in their own lives. And she’s involved with a huge range of initiatives that make life better for people AND the planet. 

Listen now and get motivated by the interconnectedness of environment, economy, and community well-being. 

Access Muskoka’s excellent community resources:

The Climate Hero Program: https://www.engagemuskoka.ca/climate-heroes

The Muskoka EnviroHub: https://www.muskoka.on.ca/en/environment/EnviroHub.aspx

Upcoming Outreach and Education Events with Lauren: https://www.muskoka.on.ca/en/environment/outreach-and-education.aspx 

The Muskoka GeoHub: https://www.muskoka.on.ca/en/environment/maps.aspx 

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Timestamps

00:50 Introducing Lauren Saville, Community Climate Initiatives Coordinator

02:20 Tackling Climate Change at the Community and Corporate Levels

06:43 Insurers are Motivated to Mitigate Climate Change

07:51 How the Community Responds

09:37 Climate Complacency: When Nature's Beauty Backfires

11:10 Sean Joins the Climate Hero Program

15:04 Lauren's Community and School Talks

18:58 Pollinator Plants, Shoreline Greening, and Love Your Lake

23:30 Partnering with Other Organizations Drives Change!

25:48 What Is a Watershed?

27:03 What Lauren Loves About her Job

32:15 Love for Muskoka, Love for Nature

33:55 Lauren's Home Garden Projects

35:15 Find Muskoka's EnviroHub and Stewardship Outreach

36:22 We Can All Make Change

38:25 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 30: Sassafras vs. Cola Nut12 Aug 202500:57:21

Are you finding yourself thirsty for a little soda pop this summer? How about for some botanical knowledge about soda pop’s history?

In this plant face-off episode, Erin and Sean put some fizz into the competition with the plants behind two iconic flavours: the cola nut that gives cola its kick, and the sassafras that puts the root in root beer. Or, at least, the plants that did serve those roles before the advent of artificial flavouring. 

Erin takes the first swig with a dramatic overview of the North American Sassafras albidum, an aromatic tree with a long history of use for medicine, food, furniture, and one nautical beverage that almost saw it hunted to extinction. She peers into the muddy waters surrounding its first use in root beer and, later, its controversial ban by the FDA, speculates about Choctaw influence on its use in gumbo, and delights over the Kanien’kéha (Mohawk) name, wenhákeras, meaning “smelly thing.”  Sean takes his kick at the can with the cola nut, the key ingredient behind the flavour and caffeine of cola beverages. He discusses the flavourful Malvaceae family tree of the West African cola tree (also spelled kola) (Cola nitida and Cola acuminata) and its surprising identity as a broad-leaf evergreen before serving up some knowledge about the fruit’s growing habits and its cultural history as a stimulant and a beverage ingredient. After some medical meanderings and a look at modern-day distribution, we wrap up Coca-Cola origins and its present-day ingredients.

Who had the most interesting facts to share today? Vote for your favourite by tagging us on social media and using the hashtag #PAWFaceOff. 

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Citations

Common names for sassafras

Wood and charcoal indentification in southern MD. (n.d.). https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/woodandcharcoalid/Webpages-trees/Sassafras.htm

Indigenous names for sassafras

Plenty Canada. (2024). SaSSaFras. Greenbelt Indigenous Botanical Survey. https://gibsurvey.ca/species/sassafras

Furniture uses

Packard Forest Products. (2011, October 30). Sassafras - Packard Forest products. https://packardforestproducts.com/lumber/hardwood-lumber/species-guide/sassafras/

Food and medicine uses

MacKinnon, A., & Kershaw, L. (2016). Edible and medicinal plants of Canada. Publishing Partners.

Root beer’s origins and the banning of safrole oil

Verberg, S. (2023, November 30). Root beer: the quintessential American soda. American Homebrewers Association. https://homebrewersassociation.org/beyond-beer/root-beer-the-quintessential-american-soda/

Sassafras oil and toxicity

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/sassafras

The history of sassafras in North America

Sassafras: Native gem of North America. (2022, October 10). Cornell Botanic Gardens. https://cornellbotanicgardens.org/sassafras-native-gem-of-north-america

Sassafras in Ontario

Sassafras. (n.d.). ontario.ca. https://www.ontario.ca/page/sassafras

Growing sassafras

Sassafras albidum (Cinnamon Wood, Common Sassafras, Mitten Tree, Sassafras, White Sassafras) | North Carolina Extension Gardener Plant Toolbox. (n.d.). https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/sassafras-albidum/

Hassani, N. (2025, May 7). How to grow and care for sassafras. The Spruce. https://www.thespruce.com/sassafras-tree-plant-profile-5199214

Cola nut overview

Kola Trees (Genus Cola). (n.d.). iNaturalist. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/132989-Cola

Wikipedia contributors. (2025, July 18). Kola nut. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_nut

Cola nut etymology

Kola - Etymology, Origin & Meaning. (n.d.). Etymonline. https://www.etymonline.com/word/kola

Medicinal uses for cola nut and caffeine

Cola nut: health benefits, side effects, uses, dose & precautions. (2021, June 11). RxList. https://www.rxlist.com/supplements/cola_nut.htm#:~:text=Cola%20nut%20is%20used%20for,used%20as%20a%20flavoring%20ingredient

Timestamps

00:11 Introduction

01:13 What's Growing On? Sean's Fruit Shrubs and Willow Wall

03:38 What's Growing On? Reciprocity in Erin's Vegetable Garden

06:03 The Range of Serviceberry Taste

06:51 Water Break: Regionalisms

07:19 The Plant Face-Off

08:25 Sassafras Albidum, an Aromatic Shrub

09:08 The Etymology of Sassafras 

11:10 Indigenous Names for Sassafras

12:55 The Distinct Look of a Sassafras Tree

15:47 Wildlife, Building and Dye Use of Sassafras

16:16 Sassafras' Medicinal Properties

20:00 Eating Sassafras leaves, stems, and pith

21:49 How Sassafras Gave Us Root Beer...And What Went Wrong

25:27 The Great Sassafras Hunts for Saloop

27:33 The Invention of Root Beer

28:50 Making Fermented vs. Carbonated Root Beer

30:24 Growing Sassafras for Beauty, Hedges, Specimen Trees, and Remediation

36:05 Water Break: Love Your Library

37:28 Cola Nut? Kola Nut? Pick Your Spelling.

39:54 West African Names for Cola Nut

40:58 The Etymology of Cola Nut

42:56 The Cola Tree, Both Evergreen and Deciduous

43:55 Cola's Unusual Flowering and Fruiting Habit

45:45 Cola Range and Cultivation

46:44 The Cola Nut: A Fleshy Pod

47:57 Culinary and Medicinal Uses of Cola

51:00 Cultural and Hospitality Uses in West Africa

52:29 Cola Nut Harvesting

53:20 The Invention of Coca Cola

54:40 1880 Ad for Coca Cola, an "Intellectual Beverage"

56:11 Conclusion and Contact Us

Ep. 31: Joyful Gardening with Chris Paul Rainbows26 Aug 202500:55:10

“I am very enthusiastic about [gardening]. I don't know if I'm that great at it. I'm not very knowledgeable. I can't really answer any of your garden questions, but I love getting my hands dirty.”

Gardening is for everyone! We’ve interviewed plenty of experts on Plants Always Win who’ve mastered everything from groundcovers to home hydroponics, but every so often we like to bring you a less experienced guest who is already skilled in one crucial area: gardening with joyful abandon.

In their day job, Chris Paul Rainbows is a speaker and strategist who helps organizations create spaces where everyone belongs. In their own space at home, Chris has tapped into the joy that 80s and 90s children’s television once brought them, designing whimsical gardens inspired by Polkadot Door, Mr. Dressup, Sesame Street, and more. They take us back to the urban-farm inspiration that led them to buy their current home, and the transformation it has undergone with chickens, rabbits, and a surprise pumpkin patch that led to some heartwarming community building. Community, gardening, and cultivating joy are inextricable subjects for Chris, who is an activist for queer and trans visibility. We talk hostas, native plants, managing invasive bindweed, and Chris’ upcoming debut book for 2026, Guinea Pigs Don’t Wear Pants. 

Now come on into the pumpkin patch through the Polkadot Door and remind yourself just how FUN gardening can be. 

Find Chris Paul Rainbows Online

at their website, where you can also find information about Chris’ upcoming picture book, Guinea Pigs Don’t Wear Pants: https://www.chrispaulrainbows.com/ 

on TikTok: tiktok.com/@chrispaulrainbows

on Instagram: instagram.com/chrispaulrainbows/

on YouTube: youtube.com/@chrispaulrainbows 

on Facebook: facebook.com/Chrispaulrainbows/

on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/chrisfarias/ 

Learn More About The Unicorn Fund:

https://www.chrispaulrainbows.com/blog/unchained-philanthropy-hamilton

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Timestamps

00:25 Introduction and Housekeeping

01:55 Meet Chris Paul Rainbows

03:10 Gardening as Play

06:29 Protesting for Urban Chickens

07:47 Female and Male Gingko Biloba Trees

09:35 Corpse Flowers and Little Shop of Horrors

11:30 Pest Control and Fertilizer: Chickens Will Provide

13:45 Can You Go to Jail for an Overgrown Lawn?

15:17 Invasive Micro-Clover Lawn Replacement

16:29 Militant Native Plant Communities

17:23 Chris' Inner Child Garden Project

19:47 300 Accidental Pumpkin Plants

21:54 The Unicorn Fund and the Most Sincere Pumpkin Patch

24:14 Pumpkin Care and Powdery Mildew

27:30 Strange and Fun Pumpkin Types

29:15 Hand Pollinating Pumpkins

30:30 The Importance of Queer and Trans Joy

33:50 Plant Sexes and Pollination

37:15 Chris and Sean Talk Parrots and Budgies

41:03 Dealing with Field Bindweed

47:27 Chris' Children's TV-inspired Garden Plans

48:39 Relationship Roles: The Problem Maker and the Problem Solver

49:36 How Oscar the Boxwood Grouch Started Everything

52:09 Find Chris Online

52:46 Chris' Upcoming Picture Book, Guinea Pigs Don't Wear Pants

53:56 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 32: Home Composting with Delaina Arnold02 Sep 202500:41:01

Do you make compost at home? Do you delight in the experience? If your answer to either of those questions is no, this week’s guest is here to help.

Delaina Arnold is the community programs manager with the Georgian Bay Mnidoo Gamii Biosphere, a UNESCO-designated “ecologically significant” landscape where people are striving to live in balance with nature. As part of that striving, the Biosphere launched a pilot project in 2025 to help people learn about home composting, to get started doing it themselves, and to troubleshoot any problems. Now we get to benefit from all that education, as Delaina answers Erin’s questions on the subject.

We begin with the big question: why bother rotting our kitchen scraps at all? Then it’s on to busting common myths before entering a crash course on home composting: where to place your bin, what type to make or buy, and how not to hate the container you use for collecting scraps. We troubleshoot common problems like wildlife, smell, and slow decomposition, then get into a tangent on the truth about using urine in your compost. Of course we also cover how to decompose your garden trimmings safely and what to do with manure. 

Ready to make some black gold with us? Then dive in to the interview.

Learn More

“Do the Rot Thing” webinar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74UODcc3IZE

All the Biosphere’s short, downloadable gardening guides, including “Composting 101”: https://georgianbaybiosphere.com/gardens/

The Biosphere’s community calendar: https://georgianbaybiosphere.com/events/     

The Georgian Bay Biosphere Reserve website: https://georgianbaybiosphere.com/

Citations

Urine and Soil Study

Rumeau, M., Pistocchi, C., Ait-Mouheb, N., Marsden, C., & Brunel, B. (2024). Unveiling the impact of human urine fertilization on soil bacterial communities: A path toward sustainable fertilization. Applied Soil Ecology, 201, 105471. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.apsoil.2024.105471

Follow the Biosphere On Social Media

On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gbtownship/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GBayBiosphere 

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Timestamps

00:12 Intro

00:47 Meet Delaina Arnold of the Georgian Bay Biosphere

01:50 What is the Georgian Bay Biosphere Reserve?

05:08 Why Home Composting Matters: Landfills, Methane, and Soil

09:09 The Seguin & Township of Georgian Bay Kitchen to Compost Pilot Project

11:33 Myths about Home Composting: Wildlife, Stirring, and What to Add

14:47 What if You Don't Turn Your Compost? Erin's Dirty, Little Secret

16:35 Where to Locate Your Compost Bin: Sun, Drainage, and Access

18:14 Choosing Your Compost Bin

20:09 Pick a Cute Countertop Compost Container

22:30 Composting Tips

23:27 Composting Troubleshooting

25:15 Wildlife Problems with Compost

29:19 Fact Check: Adding Urine to Compost

32:20 Brown Materials You Can Add

34:05 Can You Add Garden Clippings to Your Compost Bin? 

37:45 Resources and Contact for the Georgian Bay Biosphere

39:30 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 33 Establishing Apples, Eradicating Horsetail & Fertilizing Flowers09 Sep 202500:58:04

Our gardens are winding down for the season, but our audience is putting on a growth spurt! This crop of new listeners has seeded our Q&A inbox with a flush of questions, which we love to see. And while we’d normally answer these at the end of our versus episodes, we currently have a backlog of recorded episodes and we don’t want folks to have to wait for answers. That means it’s time for another Q&A special!

We start with questions inspired by Sean’s recent video about an apple tree sold with its graft and root flare buried well below soil level. If you want to understand how fruit trees are grafted and sold, how to plant them successfully, and what to expect from them as they grow, keep your ears peeled for this conversation.

Next, we move on to plants that listeners are hoping to get rid of, touching briefly on bindweed (covered more thoroughly in episode 31) before digging into horsetail, that pervasive prehistoric plant. The question was “How do I get rid of it?” and we do address that—but you’ll find some options you might not have expected in our answers.

Finally, we chat about an anecdote that was shared with us: “This year I learned that cosmos don’t like fertilizer.” It’s true that feeding nitrogen to flowering plants will push them to produce more greenery than blooms. But we’re here to offer some education on what you can do to give them a boost.

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Learn More

About Horsetail: https://www.rhs.org.uk/weeds/horsetail

Find bare-root fruit trees grown in Ontario from:

Golden Bough Tree Farm (Marlbank, ON, in Tweed): https://goldenboughtreefarm.ca/ 

Northern Food Forest (Calvin, ON, near North Bay): https://northernfoodforest.ca/ 

Pineneedle Farms (Pontypool, ON, within Kawartha Lakes: https://www.pineneedlefarms.ca/ 

Silver Creek Nursery (Wellesley, Ontario, in the Waterloo region): https://silvercreeknursery.ca/

Whiffletree Farm & Nursery (Elora, ON): https://www.whiffletreefarmandnursery.ca/ 

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Timestamps

00:12 Intro

00:55 What’s Growing On? Erin's Fall Fair Entries

04:46 What's Growing On? Sean's Fall Fruit Trees Planting

08:50 Water Break

10:42 Is a buried graft the reason my apple tree keeps dying?

11:43 What is a root flare? 

14:54 Do nurseries make mistakes like this on purpose to sell more trees?

16:36 Will a tree always die if its graft is below ground level?

19:07 If you let suckers from a root stock grow up, will they produce fruit?

21:40 If the tree survives having its graft buried, is everything okay?

23:00 I planted apples 3-4 years ago. They are suckering like crazy and haven’t produced any fruit. What can I do?

25:45 What fruit tree is best to plant in Ontario - something hardy and not fussy?

30:15 What if I need to eradicate field bindweed from my lawn instead of my garden?

35:42 How can I get rid of horsetail? I tried replacing all my soil and it still came back.

45:01 Fertilizing stopped my flowers from blooming. What should I have done?

56:00 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 34 Bat Ecology with Dr. Dana Green, Part 116 Sep 202500:55:06

Dr. Dana Green is a bat expert who is known online as The Eyepatch Biologist. As a science communicator, a pun connoisseur, and a woman who knows a good joke when it's staring her in the face, she says of herself, "What a wonderful bat advocate to go half blind."

In Dana's interview with Sean, she tells us about her master's degree studying grasshopper mice (predatory, solitary, highly aggressive mice that howl) and her PhD in bat ecology, which she completed at the University of Regina in Saskatchewan. We learn about echolocation and other bat chatter, fact check Hank Green's viral video (Do we know where bats go in winter? Not entirely...) and learn about bat species in Canada. We assuage some fears about bats carrying disease, explore the challenges of tracking bat migration, exclaim over the mysteries of bat reproduction, and celebrate their benefits in the garden. The episode is as wide-ranging as these fascinating mammals are, but we spend time especially on the lives of hoary bats, pallid bats, New Zealand's flightless bats, and the Mexican free-tailed bat...or at least their smell! 

Craving even more bat facts? Then you're in luck! Part two of this interview will be posted next week. 

Learn More

Dana's website: https://www.danagreeneco.com/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theeyepatchbiologist

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/eyepatchbiologist/

Scientists and Communicators

Sean and Dana drop a lot of names in this conversation. Here are the experts they mention: 

  • Hank Green, science communicator: https://hankgreen.com/ 
  • Dr. Brock Fenton, bat researcher and mentor of bat researchers: https://letstalkscience.ca/careers/brock-fenton
  • Mark Brigham, Dana's supervisor at the University of Regina: https://www.uregina.ca/science/biology/directory/academic-staff-and-adjuncts/mark-brigham.html  
  • Robert Barclay, bat researcher: https://profiles.ucalgary.ca/robert-barclay 
  • Ted Weller, migratory hoary bat researcher: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Theodore-Weller 
  • Sophiane, aka @honkifurhoary, science communicator: https://www.instagram.com/honkifurhoary/
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Citations

Bat Reproduction Fact Check

H, T. (2020, October 16). BAT Reproduction – Illinois BAT Conservation program. https://www.illinoisbats.org/bat-reproduction   

Timestamps

00:12 Introducing Dr. Dana Green

01:36 Bats, Grasshopper Mice, and Going Feral: Dana's Education Journey

04:55 Sound Bite: Grasshopper Mouse

05:01 Can You Hear Echolocation? 

05:30 Sound Bite: Echolocation

07:25 Dana's Retinal Detachment

15:40 Dana Caused Sean's First TikTok Violation

16:53 Bat Species in Canada

19:00 The Bat Research Community

21:30 Do We Know Where Bats Go In Winter?

25:53 Bats' Unique Relationship with Disease

28:47 Tangent: Funding Rant

31:00 Back to Bat Tracking

34:45 Ted Weller, Bat Pregnancy, and Pups

41:36 The Pallid Bat, Potential Pollinator and Centipede Eater

44:00 Bats as Garden Friends

47:33 Outdoor Cats are Ecological Disasters

51:42 Bats' Horrendous Smell

53:46 Conclusion and Contact Us

Ep. 35 Bat Ecology with Dr. Dana Green Part 223 Sep 202500:43:33

Dr. Dana Green, a.k.a. "The Eyepatch Biologist" is back for part two! This free-flying conversation just couldn't be contained to a single hour.

We plunge straight in this week with an urgent question: how do bats relieve themselves without dribbling on their own heads? From there the facts come thick and fast: microchiroptera (our local insect-eating, echolocating bats) vs. megachiroptera (bigger fruit-eating bats from other climates that don't echolocate); the truth about bats' sense of sight; and the unexpected songs of silverhair bats. Dana shares how to attract bats to our properties without welcoming them into our homes, and we delve into the devastating consequences of pesticide use in the ecosystem—and how to report it when you witness someone applying pesticides illegally. 

Throughout the interview we also get some of Dana's opinions on the quality of bat representation in media, including Daredevil, Dungeons and Dragons, Batman and vampire books. The episode wraps up with a lightning round of facts, favourites, and myth busting—and a promise to bring Dana back for even more ecological eloquence in the future!

Learn More:

Dana's website: https://www.danagreeneco.com/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theeyepatchbiologist

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/eyepatchbiologist/

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Timestamps

00:12 Introduction

01:00 How do Bats Relieve Themselves?

01:58 Flying Foxes, or Megachiroptera, a Subgroup of Bats

03:30 Bats Aren't Blind

04:48 Echolocation Representation in Daredevil

06:00 Bats that Jam Each Other's Echolocation Signals

07:28 Singing Silverhair Bats

10:25 Creating Bat Habitat at Your Home

12:00 Pesticides in the Ecosystem

20:15 Lightning Round

20:28 Should We Be Concerned about Diseases in Bats?

20:46 Are Bats Attracted to Long Hair?

21:17 Do Bats Suck Blood? Should We Worry?

23:03 Do Bats Mate for Life? What's a Bat Leck?

23:48 Hammerhead Bats' Big Honkers

24:40 The World's Biggest Bat

26:00 The World's Smallest Bat

28:39 Cutest Bat Struggles

29:40 The World's Ugliest (and Wrinkliest) Bat

31:00 A Bat Scientist's Opinion on Batman

34:20 Great Bat Representation in Kids' Books and Movies

36:00 Dana's Love of Vampires

39:15 Find Dana Online

41:44 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 36 Community Gardens with Jessica Letteer30 Sep 202500:40:46

This episode is for anyone who has ever daydreamed about starting a community garden and for anyone who needs the boost of a good-news gardening story.  

Our guest is Jessica Letteer, who founded the Wilkes-Barre Area Community Gardens five years ago and kicked off a local movement of soil building and community gardening in an area marked by poverty, blighted soil, and food deserts. Jess’ home in Pennsylvania’s Wyoming Valley bears the contamination left behind by abandoned coal mines, and services and infrastructure are chronically under-resourced. But she and a small group of other volunteers reached out to their city council, solicited donations, and started a program that now grows and distributes food, teaches regenerative agriculture skills, and puts on community events—all for free. 

Longtime listeners will know that our co-host Erin Alladin also founded a community garden: Garden@Kimbourne Community Permaculture Project in Toronto, Ontario. In this episode, she and Jess compare notes on the steps they each took to start their projects and how they and their fellow volunteers kept them going. Jess also tells us about the process of establishing a nonprofit, about the other community organizations her group has partnered with, the ways they're funding the garden, and—of course—all the incredible projects they have lined up for the future.

Learn More:

The Wilkes-Barre Area Community Gardens Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/wilkesbarreacg/

Organizations Named in this Episode

Eastern Pennsylvania Coalition for Abandoned Mine Reclamation: https://epcamr.org/home/ 

Food Dignity: https://fooddignitymovement.org/ 

Rising Tide Wellness: https://risingtide-wellness.org/ 

WIC: https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic 

The Horti Awards

Vote for Wait Like a Seed here! Scroll to the very bottom and select it from the Books drop-down menu. You don’t have to vote in every category.

Comments? Feedback? Want your garden question to be featured in a future Q&A segment? 

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Timestamps

00:14 Introduction to Jessica Letteer

02:12 Introduction to Wilkes-Barre Area Community Gardens

03:35 How Wilkes-Barre Area Community Gardens Got Their Start

08:19 How Garden@Kimbourne Got its Start

09:58 Water Break: Wait Like a Seed and the Horti Awards

10:33 Concerns about Crime and Community Gardens

12:67 Healing the Community through Gardening

13:55 Becoming a Nonprofit

15:01 Partnering with Other Organizations

17:50 Food Dignity: Paying Farmers, Feeding People for Free

19:55 More Energy and Infrastructure Projects in the Gardens

21:55 Why Is Running All This With You???

25:36 Funding!

26:44 Gardening in a Former Coal Town

32:27 Creating an Accessible Garden for People with Disabilities

35:15 What's Next for Wilkes-Barre Community Gardens

36:18 Find The Garden Community Online

37:00 Shout-Outs

38:58 Outro and Contact Us

Ep. 37 Sunflower vs. Sunchoke08 Oct 202500:53:03

It’s the versus episode they said couldn’t be done.

Well, okay, not sure who “they” are, but something has certainly been conspiring against it. We first attempted an episode on sunchokes, also known as Jerusalem artichokes, in the fall of 2024, before Plants Always Win was launched. It got left on the cutting room floor. Then in September of this year we recorded a proper Sunchokes vs. Sunflowers face-off, spending two hours in the recording studio. 

We later found out that Sean’s audio had quit after six minutes.

But if you’re reading these words, we have finally succeeded! With the last of the warm autumn sunshine, we are bringing you sunflowers vs. sunchokes. Or, to put it another way, annual sunflowers vs. one of their many perennial sunflower cousins. Both are native to North America, and both are prolific food crops. The first, though, has been bred for its seed while the second is used for its tubers. And only one of them was at the centre of a $25 million scam that threw parts of the United States and Canada into an uproar in the 1980s. 

Find out which one that is one by listening…and then reach out by email or social media to tell us which sunflower YOU feel won this week’s plant face-off.

The Horti Awards

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Credits

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Citations

Sunflower etymology

Sunflower - Etymology, Origin & Meaning. (n.d.). Etymonline. https://www.etymonline.com/word/sunflower

Sunflowers as composite flowers

Common sunflower. (n.d.). https://www.fs.usda.gov/wildflowers/plant-of-the-week/helianthus_annuus.shtml 

Sunflowers in Ontario

top Native Sunflowers for Ontario Gardens — In Our Nature. (n.d.). In Our Nature. https://www.inournature.ca/sunflowers-of-ontario

The too-many-to-read-out traditional uses of the annual sunflower

USDA, NRCS, National Plant Data Center. (n.d.). ANNUAL SUNFLOWER. https://plants.usda.gov/DocumentLibrary/plantguide/pdf/pg_hean3.pdf 

Sunflower oil chemistry and uses

Sunflower oil. (n.d.). Science Direct. Retrieved September 30, 2025, from https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemical-engineering/sunflower-oil 

Growing sunflowers

Spengler, T. (2023, February 10). Sunflower planting pros and cons. Gardening Know How. https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/gardening-pros-cons/sunflower-planting-pros-and-cons 

Allelopathy

Allelopathy. (n.d.). Science Direct. Retrieved September 30, 2025, from https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/allelopathy  

The world’s tallest sunflower

Associated Press. (2025, September 15). World’s tallest sunflower blooms in an Indiana backyard as a tribute to Ukraine. Spectrum News 1. https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2025/09/15/world-s-tallest-sunflower-indiana

Anishinaabe use of sunchokes, a.k.a. Giisisoojiibik

Geniusz, M. S. (2015). Plants have so much to give us, all we have to do is ask: Anishinaabe Botanical Teachings. U of Minnesota Press. 

The Jerusalem artichoke multi-level marketing scam

1980s Farm Crisis: Origins, myths and realities: Jerusalem artichoke miracle crop was a sign - Agweek | #1 source for agriculture news, farming, markets. (2023, June 12). Agweek. https://www.agweek.com/business/1980s-farm-crisis-origins-myths-and-realities-jerusalem-artichoke-miracle-crop-was-a-sign 

The Great Jerusalem Artichoke Circus: The Buying and Selling of the Rural American Dream, by Joseph A. Amato, 1993, University of Minnesota Press, 280 p. 

Identify your turfgrass

Different types of grass: Identifying your lawn’s grass type. (n.d.). Scotts. https://scotts.com/en-us/learn/different-types-of-grass-identify-your-grass.html 

Timestamps

00:40 The Sunchoke Curse

02:29 What's Growing On: Erin's Garden-Fresh Meals and Horti Awards

04:20 What's Growing On: Sean's 1,001 Projects and Propagations

06:00 Water Break

06:15 The Plant Face-Off: Sunflowers

07:51 About the Name Sunflower

08:13 How Sunflowers Grow

08:55 Perennial Sunflowers of Ontario

10:25 Uses of the Annual Sunflower

12:00 Sunflowers are Composite Flowers

12:45 Heliotropism and Phototropism

14:35 The Benefits of Heliotropism

15:50 Sunflowers and Allelopathy

18:06 A Sunflower Guild

19:40 Garden-Nerd D&D Tangent

24:12 The Plant Face-Off: Sunchokes

24:45 The Only Tuberous Sunflowers

25:14 Eating Sunchoke Tubers...Without the Gas

26:25 Harvesting and Managing the Tubers

29:20 Anishinaabe Communities and Giisisoojiibik

30:30 Sunchokes' Invasiveness in Central Europe

31:00 Get Familiar with New Foods You Can Grow

33:45 Jerusalem Artichoke Height and Appearance

35:49 The Jerusalem Artichoke Pyramid Scheme

42:00 Musings About Fuel from Sunflowers

45:59 Listener Question: How Do I Know What Kind of Grass I Have?

51:55 Conclusion and Contact Us

Ep. 38 Little Shop of Horrors31 Oct 202500:49:30

This episode is what happens when two people’s loves for venus flytraps, spooky season, and movie musicals collide. 

Yes, we’re doing nerdy Halloween horticulture by analyzing the representation of carnivorous plants in the classic musical Little Shop of Horrors—specifically the 1986 movie version. If you  haven’t seen the show, don’t worry; we set the stage for you and save any late-story spoilers for the very end. For the most part, we’re interested in one question: based on our knowledge of real-world carnivorous plants, how reasonable were Seymore’s guesses when he first tried to care for Audrey II? This requires, of course, an exploration of Venus flytraps’ habitat and habits, how they reproduce, and of the care they need to thrive in our homes. 

The movie does raise one more hypothetical, and I’ll put this in code for our listeners who still need to watch it: that ending. Would it really have worked? We get a buzz out of exploring the idea.

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Citations

Little Shop of Horrors

Oz, F. (Director). (1986). Little shop of horrors. The Geffen Company.

Venus flytrap Overview

Venus flytrap (Dionaea muscipula). (n.d.). iNaturalist. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/52666-Dionaea-muscipula

Venus flytraps benefit from fires

Venus Flytrap. (n.d.). National Wildlife Federation. https://www.nwf.org/Educational-Resources/Wildlife-Guide/Plants-and-Fungi/Venus-Flytrap

A chemical signal from the flytrap’s prey stimulates the secretion of enzymes.

Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center - the University of Texas at Austin. (n.d.). https://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=dimu4

Overwintering your venus flytrap

Little Shop of Horrors. (2025, January 12). Overwintering Venus flytraps. Littleshopofhorrors.co.uk. https://www.littleshopofhorrors.co.uk/over-wintering-venus-flytraps/ 

Timestamps

00:39 Introduction

01:35 What's Growing On: Sean's Winter Prep

02:20 What's Growing On: Erin's Tomatoes and Greenhouse Build

03:10 Sean's Pumpkin-Deer Showdown

05:48 Water Break

06:00 Setting the Scene: Little Shop of Horrors

07:44 How Carnivorous Plants Eat

11:26 Can a Carnivorous Plant Survive on Human Blood?

12:46 Venus Fly Trap Etymology

15:50 How the Venus Fly Trap Grows

18:35 Audrey II's Structure vs. Venus Fly Trap Structure

21:39 Taking Care of Audrey II vs. a Venus Fly Trap

32:24 Overwintering Your Venus Fly Trap

34:51 SPOILER WATER BREAK

35:20 Propagating a Venus Fly Trap vs. Audrey II

41:28 Ethical Purchasing of Venus Fly Traps

42:49 Buying Cool Cultivated Varieties

43:33 Can You Kill a Plant with Electrocution?

47:29 Conclusion and Contact Us

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