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The mic is ON and MOTHER is HERE. TS Madison kicks off Outlaws with Ms. Tina Knowles—fashion icon, businesswoman, and, now, the New York Times #1 bestselling author of Matriarch.

They look back on what inspired Ms. Tina to finally write her book, the moment she knew her children were destined to be superstars, the queer legacy of Uncle Johnny, the poignant stories behind the names Beyoncé and Solange, and a July 29th revelation that moves Ms. Tina, and all of us, to tears. From nights out at Galveston's Kon-Tiki Club to divine signs from ancestors—this is a can’t-miss premiere episode that marks the powerful debut of "Outlaws" and the arrival of TS Madison as one of the great interviewers of our time.

Get cozy. Get into it. And get "MATRIARCH" by Tina Knowles.

Outlaws is proud to be a part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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This week on "Outlaws," it's... a Femininomenon! A what?! A FEMININOMENON.

Today, our host TS Madison is joined by your favorite artist’s favorite artist and your favorite drag queen’s favorite drag queen. Chappell Roan—Grammy Award winner and visionary Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl behind “Pink Pony Club” and “Good Luck, Babe”—joins forces with her drag mother Sasha Colby, winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race Season 15 and the celebrated 2012 Miss Continental. Together, the Hawaiian queen and Midwest princess form the most iconic mother-daughter duo since Miss Mary and TS Madison. Today they’re pulling up to Auntie Madison's place for some overdue family time in a shimmering, shade-filled, and unforgettable episode of "Outlaws"—only our second ever! 

Madison opens the show with heartfelt gratitude, bestowing “Niece” status upon Chappell for doing what you're supposed to do in big spaces: speak up, show up, and advocate fiercely for LGBTQIA+ visibility. Meanwhile, Sasha receives her flowers as Madison recalls binge-watching her pageant tapes and knowing—when she saw her strut onto the Drag Race Main Stage—“Those girls in the back better be ready!”

This is the best crossover event to hit Queer Media since Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande held space with Tracy Gilchrist. This episode has it all: Sasha recounts sneaking into Venus Nightclub in Hawaii and witnessing Miss Continental trailblazers like Yoshiko Oshiro, instantly thinking, "Sign me up!!!" Chappell reflects on the day she realized she could sing (and her parents’ adorably Midwestern response). The trio bonds over religious guilt, forbidden blue eyeshadow, and the sacred act of setting boundaries. There’s an impromptu duet of “The Christmas Song.” There’s a karma spell. And apparently, there are plans for a "Continental Night" where Sasha’s pulling out the VHS tapes?! We're not going to ask for an invite—because in this house we respect boundaries—but if y’all want to go live for 2 minutes so we can live vicariously... we wouldn’t be mad.

And finally, Madison launches her new favorite segment: "Ban It, Bitch!" While certain politicians try to ban drag shows, LGBTQ+ books, and the very existence of transgender people, we’re flipping the script, because all that energy could be redirected toward the things that really gotta go. We're looking at you, cork shoes! Fish photos on dating apps! Pop Crave?! Ban it. Nothing is safe from the Outlaws gavel—and you might want to check your comment section etiquette before Madison checks it for you.

Special thanks to Chappell and Sasha for saying yes and making the time to appear on "Outlaws" amidst their busy schedules—and doing so before we’d even dropped an episode. “Casting Karma Spells” is the blueprint for everything we hope this podcast can be: an hour of real talk with chosen family, where we can each shed our armor and own our stories. We simply couldn’t have made this episode without the hardworking teams behind these legends, along with our partners at iHeart.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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TS Madison and THE Wayne Brady meet for the first time in person and the vibes are as immaculate as Wayne’s outfit (by the way, full episodes are now on YouTube too for our visual learners). Wayne TALKS HIS SHIT like the 5-time Emmy Award winner that he IS — and proceeds to explain the concept of “Outlaws” better than we ever could!

They get into it all: what pansexuality means to Wayne, growing up Caribbean American and seemingly too Black for the white folks but not 'Black enough' for Hollywood, the way in which him and Maddie each turned jokes into passports, and that time Whitney Houston was booed at the Soul Train Awards. Also, they reflect on the feeling of being overlooked by the very institutions that are supposed to celebrate you (NAACP, BET, Essence, Atlanta Pride… yes, we’re naming names). Maddie drops a monologue on surviving the system by monetizing confusion, and Wayne recounts his absolutely legendary audition for "Snakes on a Plane." At one point, TS Madison auditions to play Audrey II from "Little Shop of Horrors" and we think we may need to start a campaign to make this happen for real?!

Wayne and Maddie share a kindred connection – and we wish we could've kept this episode rolling for another hour. We need more! A buddy comedy? A musical? Wayne AND Maddie in "Little Shop" together?!

Maddie Mob, you're in for an hour of real talk and revelations. How are y'all liking the show so far? Who are your dream guests? Are you following us on social? Have you reviewed/subscribed/etc. to all the things? Let’s lock in y’all – this podcast is just getting started!

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TS Madison is kicking off Pride Month with real talk and revelations in this special episode with none other than Representative Jasmine Crockett. Maddie has questions and SHE WANTS ANSWERS! And as seemingly one of the only Dems raising their voice, the Congresswoman from Texas is here to guide us.

We all know that Maddie doesn’t sugarcoat it, and neither does Representative Crockett – she’s always gonna give it to you plain.  They talk about the haters, the hypocrites, and the healing we all need. And another thing – how did we get to this “oops” moment, where people are surprised by what’s going down? The "Find Out Phase" is in full effect, but we also get into how we can fix things and the question on everyone's minds: "Will we be okay?" Rep. Crockett gives us the hope we need. It's about to be Losing Season for the Haters!

Let us know what you think!  Give us a rate/review/subscribe and stay tuned for more – this is only our fourth episode. "Outlaws" is truly just getting started!

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TS Madison welcomes Drew Afualo to Outlaws—TikTok’s undisputed roast queen, New York Times best-selling author of "Loud" (the first Samoan woman to ever make that list—clock it!!!), Forbes 30 Under 30 Creator & Social Media cover star, and host of not one but two hit podcasts: "The Comment Section" and "Two Idiot Girls." After getting fired from the NFL, Drew picked up her phone and built a following 9 million strong, proving definitively that there is in fact an audience who, like her, absolutely does not f*ck with racism, homophobia, transphobia, or misogynistic men with egos as fragile as their hairlines—who would’ve thought?! 

Together, Maddie and Drew are holding men’s nuts to the fire. They talk Samoan matriarchy, “meat checks,” TERFs, what it’s like to be told “you’re prettier in person,” and the Uber driver who remembered Drew's voice from the last time she was in his car and told a man to go f*ck himself. Also, they reflect on why they’ll never be “above” replying to hateful comments, no matter how high the star soars. Drew gives Maddie her flowers, and Maddie is certain she’s just met her long-lost twin. Hold up—have you started the episode yet?? What are you waiting for?! It’s time for an hour of loud, live, and in color SISTERHOOD.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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Teresa Josephine Marie Fortenberry 🫱🏻‍🫲🏾Thunderstorm Madison. 

We’re mixing it up today with the internet’s favorite good Southern Christian girl, Terri Joe. Terri’s here to share the word of the Lord with TS Madison, and how she navigates the world as a true child of God amidst abominations like vampires, welfare, hair dye, and pork chops. Terri shares stories from growing up in Bon Temps, Louisiana, including her…unique conversion therapy method, granted to her by God. Over the years, Terri Joe has cured many a hommaseggsyuhs (except for her nemesis Saucy Santana) and her work is far from over!

Unfortunately, Terri Joe had to leave unexpectedly mid-interview, but the phenomenal Kelon Campbell steps in to take over the rest of the episode!

Madison shares her love for the success of Kelon’s alter ego and how sharing the stage with Terri Joe has been a longtime dream! Kelon reflects on how Terri Joe came to be, taking the stage with Madonna, and going live with legends (Doja Cat!). We get into everything from the night he was escorted by security out of Shawty Bae’s birthday party, to the upcoming TERRI JOE MOVIE in the works! Did y’all know that was happening?! Madison encourages Kelon, as an Outlaw and as one of the seeds of her garden, to speak on his accomplishments with a little more pride moving forward – because if you can't celebrate yourself, how in the hell you gonna celebrate somebody else?! AMEN.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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BRETMAN ROCK has entered the chat! Bretman joins Maddie all the way from Hawai'i. We kick things off with a conversation on gender identity and B’s experiences growing up in Hawai‘i as a non-binary Filipino kid. Bretman shares how being raised among cultures where mahu and bakla are not only respected but revered helped him embrace the entire spectrum of gender identities. Madison opens up about her own experiences and ongoing learning regarding nonbinary identities. Then, as always, TS Madison asks her guest to talk his shit – and BABY, Bretman understood the assignment. Millionaire at 18? Check. Living his ancestors’ greatest dreams? Check. Peacocks in the backyard? Check. Bretman shares his origin story at a Wal-Mart, and Maddie helps him unpack his genuinely jawdropping villain era (trust, you HAVE to hear this one…!!!). We cover so much in this one: influencer “shelf-lives,” family trauma, bottoms who don’t use Pure for Men, generational healing, and why tourists in Hawai’i should NOT pet the seals!!! This is the crossover episode you didn’t know you needed.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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TS Madison is joined by the legend, the mother, the trendsetter, the seed planter, Maddie’s future presidential pick– Laverne Cox! Laverne is the DEFINITION of a trailblazer, as the first trans woman to grace the cover of Times Magazine, British Vogue, Cosmo, Essence, and so much more. And she’s not kicking down the ladder– Laverne says the best part of fame is getting to inspire and create space for up-and-coming trans and queer artists. She may be the first when it comes to nominations and accolades, but she will NOT be the last!

Two pillars of trans media, Laverne and Madison discuss breaking into the entertainment industry as Black trans women, and the double standards and setbacks that are all too common. Laverne talks about her own journey waitressing in New York for years and almost getting evicted before reaching career success with Orange Is The New Black– and now executive producing and starring in her own TV series, Clean Slate.

And there's no question why Maddie wants to see this TV star in office– Laverne talks gender theory, from reading Judith Butler and bell hooks in college, to what it means to be a trans person in 2025. Laverne provides insight into how the patriarchy demonizes trans women and cis women alike, why intersectionality is important, and breaks down the dangers of Project 2025 for all of us. It’s not an easy time, as trans and queer folks face more and more political attacks every day. But it’s voices like Laverne’s that remind us of our power.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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Last week, Madison talked with Monét X Change, so it’s only fitting that today we have the other half of “Sibling Rivalry” on the pod– it’s “RuPaul’s Drag Race” Season 8 winner, Bob the Drag Queen!

Drag superstar, comedian, Madonna’s MC– Bob’s adding “author” to an already impressive resume, with his new book "Harriet Tubman: Live in Concert!" But before getting into that, Madison and Bob talk Drag Race, douching etiquette, sobriety, and concealed carry– if you needed another reason not to mess with Maddie.

Bob talks about his lifelong obsession with Harriet Tubman and everything she accomplished in her long life. Bob shares his favorite photo of Harriet looking regal as hell in her 90s and the book’s heartfelt dedication to Bob’s late mother, as well as anecdotes from his research.

Manifestation is a big theme in this episode– from historical examples to personal ones. These are southern girls, so we’re mixing scripture and spells– from reflecting on Harriet Tubman’s spirituality, to on-air-manifesting Madison’s next collab. And Bob talks about getting a glowing review from his favorite performers of all time– is the key to meeting your heroes getting them tattooed on your body? Or maybe just a mood board…

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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