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Never the Same

Dr. Tony Pisani

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Education

Frequency: 1 episode/27d. Total Eps: 13

"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus' quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.

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🇺🇸 USA - socialSciences
26/11/2025
#78
🇨🇦 Canada - socialSciences
20/09/2025
#84
🇨🇦 Canada - socialSciences
19/09/2025
#63
🇨🇦 Canada - socialSciences
18/09/2025
#49
🇬🇧 Great Britain - socialSciences
16/01/2025
#100
🇬🇧 Great Britain - socialSciences
15/01/2025
#70
🇬🇧 Great Britain - socialSciences
14/01/2025
#43
🇺🇸 USA - socialSciences
06/12/2024
#77

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The Psychology of Life and Suicide Prevention with Dr. David Jobes

Episode 1

Tuesday, December 3, 2024 • Duration 02:45:53

View on YouTube: https://youtu.be/PXDtfKsFznI
The shift from traditional risk assessment to collaborative, person-centered care is reshaping suicide prevention. In this inaugural episode of Never the Same, Professor Tony Pisani sits down with Dr. David Jobes, creator of the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality (CAMS), to discuss this transformative approach.

Dr. Jobes shares insights from decades of work with patients and offers a glimpse into the life-changing potential of CAMS: "You can find a way through an incredibly dark moment and look back, saying, ‘Oh my god, I almost ended my life.’”

Learn how this groundbreaking framework puts patients at the center of their care, fosters hope, and transforms lives.

Guest: Dr. David Jobes
Dr. David A. Jobes is a renowned clinical psychologist and suicidologist with over 30 years of experience. As a professor at Catholic University, he directs the Suicide Prevention Lab and has authored six books and 100+ peer-reviewed publications. Dr. Jobes is the creator of CAMS, a framework that has revolutionized care for individuals with suicidal thoughts.

Host: Dr. Tony Pisani
Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities.

Links:

• CAMS training for mental health professionals
• Meta-analysis Paper on CAMS
• Jobes Lab on X.com
• Dr. Jobes’ Bio at Catholic University
• Recommended Standard Care

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Trailer - Never the Same Podcast

Wednesday, November 27, 2024 • Duration 01:35

Welcome to “Never the Same,” where we explore how influential people and ideas have evolved over time and where they might go in the future. Reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.

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Here with You: Supporting People with Substance Use and Suicide Concerns

Episode 2

Tuesday, December 10, 2024 • Duration 01:34:08

This episode of Never the Same delves into addressing suicide concerns among loved ones who use substances. Featuring lived experience insights from Jack Stem and his daughter Kim, alongside Dr. Ken Connor (University of Rochester) and Morica Hutchinson (University of Connecticut), the conversation combines lived experiences and professional insights.

The episode coincides with the release of a no-cost online training resource developed by SafeSide Prevention in collaboration with the UR Medicine Recovery Center of Excellence on SUD Prevention to support those standing together with someone grappling with substance use and suicide challenges. Explore the resource here.

Key topics include:

How to start difficult conversations about suicide and substance use
Ways to ask about suicide directly and sensitively
How to respond effectively when someone shares their concerns.

In this episode, the participants share personal experiences and professional insights, creating a balanced discussion that addresses both the practical and emotional aspects of supporting someone at risk of suicide who also struggles with substance use.

Guests:

• Jack Stem: A seasoned counselor and recovery advocate with decades of experience navigating addiction and peer support.
• Kim Stem: A passionate speaker on addiction and mental health, sharing her lived experiences to foster understanding and hope.
• Dr. Kenneth Conner: Professor in Emergency Medicine and Psychiatry at the University of Rochester, specializing in suicide prevention and substance use research.
• Morica Hutchison: the Faculty in Public Health Sciences at the University of Connecticut, focusing on family and community-based approaches to substance use and mental health.

AI Scientists and the Humans Who Love Them with Dr. Ian Cero

Episode 3

Tuesday, January 14, 2025 • Duration 01:41:11

Welcome to the Never The Same Podcast! Today we explore whether AI can fundamentally transform the way we conduct scientific research, especially in the context of suicide prevention. Tony is joined by Dr. Ian Cero, a faculty member at the University of Rochester and expert in clinical psychology, statistics, and... debating! (Yes, he was a Minnesota state debate champion).

Together, they tackle the question: can AI become a scientist in its own right? They dive into:

How AI is being used today to generate research ideas and conduct experiments.
Whether AI can truly be creative or if it just mimics patterns.
The implications for human researchers—especially those just beginning their careers.
How we can use AI without losing the essence of human creativity and scientific curiosity.

Ian shares his personal journey—from skepticism to relying on AI as an essential research partner. He explains how his own experience with AI helped him correct misunderstandings and even saved one of his projects from failure.

If you’re a researcher, someone interested in mental health, or just curious about where AI is taking us next, this episode is a must-listen.

Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell icon so you never miss an episode! We're here to keep exploring the frontiers of science and prevention.

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Leadership Reflections—Western Australia Chief Psychiatrist Nathan Gibson, Mental Health Commissioner Maureen Lewis

Episode 11

Monday, September 15, 2025 • Duration 01:21:24

In this episode of "Never the Same," Tony Pisani sits down with two of Western Australia's leading mental health voices: Maureen Lewis, Mental Health Commissioner since 2023, and Dr. Nathan Gibson, Chief Psychiatrist since 2013. Together, they represent both the vision for reform and the clinical guardrails of accountability in Western Australia’s mental health system.

The conversation explores their unique roles in the mental health landscape, from commissioning services to regulatory oversight. They share insights on strategic leadership, including frameworks for crisis decision-making and the importance of "thinking time" in complex systems. The discussion covers First Nations mental health approaches, the integration of lived experience voices, and their shift toward trauma-informed care.

Both leaders reflect on their accidental paths to leadership, the challenges of managing a mental health system across one of the world's largest geographic health services, and what gives them hope for the future. Their candid discussion offers valuable lessons for anyone interested in systemic change and leadership in challenging environments.

Guests:

Maureen Lewis was appointed Mental Health Commissioner for Western Australia in July 2023. In this role, she oversees the commissioning of all mental health and drug and alcohol services in Western Australia, a role that combines purchasing decisions with advocacy.

Dr. Nathan Gibson has served as Western Australia's Chief Psychiatrist since 2013. He provides independent regulatory oversight under the Mental Health Act. His focus includes standards of care, quality, safety, and reducing restrictive practices across public and private psychiatric services.

Host Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities.

Prof. Pat Dudgeon's Groundbreaking Life and Work on Social Emotional Wellbeing

Episode 10

Monday, August 11, 2025 • Duration 57:15

In this inspiring instalment of Never the Same, host Dr Tony Pisani welcomes Professor Pat Dudgeon, the first Aboriginal psychologist in Australia and a global voice for First Nations mental health.

Pat describes how confronting the racism in the system sparked her mission to “decolonise” psychology and build a new framework called Social and Emotional Wellbeing, a model that places self, family, community, culture, and Country at the centre of healing.

Across the episode, Pat and Tony revisit moments such as the Ways Forward national report, discuss why Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander suicide demands distinct responses, and celebrate community-led successes, from Indigenous Rangers caring for land to universities rewriting psychology curricula.

Key Points

Pat’s path to becoming the first Aboriginal psychologist
Origins and pillars of the SEWB paradigm
The Ways Forward report and Boat Shed Declaration
Distinct drivers of Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander suicide
Success stories: Indigenous Rangers, psychology curriculum reform
The role of climate action and caring for Country

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A Global Vision for Crisis Support: Alan Woodward's Hope for the Future

Episode 9

Monday, July 14, 2025 • Duration 01:46:39

Alan Woodward has spent decades strengthening crisis services around the world — from answering calls on the Lifeline crisis line to advising government leaders and building new programs. In this episode, Alan reflects on what it takes to face hard moments, how crisis services save lives, and why kindness (to others and ourselves) matters more than we realise.

Together, we explore the lessons Alan learned growing up in a coastal city in Australia, navigating career changes, managing anxiety, and staying committed to making the world better.

Guest:
Alan Woodward is a global leader in crisis support and suicide prevention. His work spans decades of service as a researcher, advocate, and advisor to governments and organisations, with deep roots in community-based care.

Host:
Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities.

Resources and References Mentioned:

Madelyn Gould, Columbia University – suicide prevention research.
Consensus Statement on Crisis Support from international crisis line networks
International Association for Suicide Prevention – work on decriminalisation of suicide
Lifeline International – Alan’s current organisation
Ghana's Decriminalisation of Suicide – paper

What about the Children? Five Values for Multiracial Families with Nicole Doyley

Episode 8

Tuesday, June 17, 2025 • Duration 01:17:54

Nicole Doyley’s life and writing centre on one key question: What about the children?

In this episode, Nicole reflects on growing up in a biracial family, her evolving racial identity, and the parenting values she developed as a result. She discusses transracial adoption, the impact of Black History Month, how culture shapes resilience, and why awareness and humility are essential for any caregiver.

Nicole shares her family’s story, from her parents’ marriage in the 1960s (when their marriage was still illegal in some states) to her own cross-cultural marriage to a Jamaican man, and how these experiences shaped her understanding of race, belonging, and what it means to be “seen.”

Guest: Nicole Doyley is an author and podcast host whose latest book, What About the Children? Five Values for Multiracial Families draws from her personal and professional experiences. Nicole grew up in a biracial family, served as a campus pastor, and now helps parents and communities navigate race, identity, and parenting with honesty and cultural awareness.

Host: Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities.

Resources and References:

Nicole Doyley – What About the Children? Five Values for Multiracial Families
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie – The Danger of a Single Story
The Mis-Education of the Negro by Carter G. Woodson
Lecrae – story of racial identity, healing, and therapy
U.S. Census – changes to allow multiple racial identities (2000)

Leading with Purpose: CEO Nieves Murray on Change, Compassion, and Community

Episode 7

Sunday, May 18, 2025 • Duration 01:46:54

In this episode, Nieves Murray, CEO of Suicide Prevention Australia, joins Dr. Tony Pisani for an insightful conversation about leadership, equity, and personal transformation. From her early career in engineering to leading national suicide prevention strategy, Nieves brings a rich mix of personal stories, professional insights, and hard-earned wisdom.

Key Themes

The power of bilingual and bicultural identity
Leadership lessons from aged care, finance, and suicide prevention
Changing minds: how experience reshapes perspective
Balancing data with lived experience in policy work
Grief, care, and learning from family

Nieves Murray: Nieves Murray is the CEO of Suicide Prevention Australia and has spent over 35 years in leadership roles across aged care, finance, and human services. Recognised as one of Australia’s 100 Most Influential Women, she is a champion of systems thinking, community voice, and inclusive policy.

Dr. Tony Pisani: Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities.

Resources and References

National Policy Platform by Suicide Prevention Australia
Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make The Leap and Others Don't by Jim Collins

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Structured Support in Suicide Prevention with Jacinta Hawgood

Episode 6

Monday, April 14, 2025 • Duration 30:59

Welcome to the Never the Same Podcast! Today, we dive into the science of suicide prevention with Jacinta Hawgood, a clinical psychologist, senior lecturer, and researcher at Griffith University.

Host Tony Pisani is joined by Jacinta, a leader in the field with nearly 25 years of experience, to discuss how structured approaches like the STARS Protocol are reshaping conversations about suicide. Together, they explore:

How STARS (Systematic Tailored Assessment for Responding to Suicidality) bridges structured tools and personal stories.
Why protective factors and client-driven care are essential for meaningful interventions.
How suicide prevention is evolving, with new roles for non-clinical professionals and lived experience leaders.
The biggest misconceptions about suicide, including fears around asking direct questions.

Jacinta also reflects on her career, how her thinking has changed over time, and why listening deeply is at the heart of effective care.

Don't forget to like & subscribe so you never miss an episode! Together, we’re exploring the stories and strategies that can make a difference.

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