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Sophie Lloyd is a DJ and producer from the UK. A staple of Defected Records and associated labels and promotions, this year she was invited to dig through the archives of London Records which resulted in standout EP 'London Revisited' - remixes of classics and deep cuts from the storied label.

We discuss all that of course, and also her journey from DJing at house parties, corporate events and eventually clubs and festivals, and getting into the world of production.

This is a good one, get involved!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

04:00 Early years and general scene

19:00 London Records project

39:45 More on production

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Nathan Fake is a producer and live performer from the UK. He has released albums on Border Community, Ninja Tune, via his own channels, and most recently through French label InFiné.

That latest album, Evaporator, is discussed during the conversation, as well as his wider journey through production processes and methods of work. We discover which ancient version of Cubase is still his go-to DAW, and which synths and other studio objects are most often used in his tracks.

We also talk about his live set, which by his own admission is actually pretty good.

This is a good one with a guest we've wanted to have on for ages. Get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

03:45 Fitting into the scene

07:30 Are albums relevant again?

12:40 Studio methods

26:30 Border Community and early career

47:30 Playing live

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Gavilán Rayna Russom is a producer, DJ, and interdisciplinary artist based in New York. A former member of LCD Soundsystem, she has a new album under her Black Meteoric Star alias entitled Wet.

We discuss her time working at DFA and eventually joining and then leaving LCD Soundsystem, her previous time as an analog synth engineer, as well as the new album and the Black Meteoric Star alias more generally.

We also get into the political situation in the US and the way it affects her work, and also her long term journey as a DJ from playing the high school prom all the way to Berghain.

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

04:00 LCD Soundsystem

21:00 Music and current politics

34:00 Recording methods and the new album

51:00 How to be a DJ

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Jend is a producer and DJ who has built an impressive following on streaming platforms and social media using a very interesting set of strategies adapting from his time in drop shipping. So we are getting deep into the weeds of digital music marketing on this week's podcast, and while it gets a bit technical in places this is a really interesting conversation from the perspective of building an audience completely independently in a way that just wasn't possible before the digital model.

He offers a version of his strategy via his Intellijend platform, which automates many of the processes and makes the whole thing a lot more manageable for the typical expert DAW technician who has never opened Facebook ad manager.

We talk about how he came up with these approaches to music marketing and how to implement them, building them into a product for other artists to use, and also the necessity for music to live in the real world and different ways to achieve this in a similar DIY way.

This is the antidote to moaning about Spotify and telling people to buy CDs... get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

04:30 Jend

09:10 How to market a song

26:10 Cynicism, algorithms, and publishing

40:00 Dance music in the real world

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On the podcast this week...

What you need to do to become a DJ in 2026. I mean a good DJ.

Why you should learn to beat match, preferably on vinyl.

Why you should learn to use Ableton.

Why you should take digital marketing seriously.

Why you should respect the worst aspects of the industry.

This is not an exhaustive study, but it does contain some pretty good pointers.

The Resident DJ article mentioned: https://saxe-coulson.medium.com/the-resident-dj-is-infrastructure-too-b2cc760c6f69

The Manual by The KLF: https://www.scribd.com/document/955029/KLF-the-Manual

Back next week with a guest!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

01:10 DJing on hard mode

04:40 How to be a DJ

06:11 The techniques

10:35 The canon

12:20 The basics of Ableton

13:55 Warm up and closing

17:00 Being the headliner

19:45 Tell your story

23:20 Identity and tribes

25:25 Is all publicity good publicity?

30:50 The KLF and The Odyssey

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On this episode...

Why Distrokid selling to CVC will lead to more AI music.

What Kobalt selling to Primary Wave means for the majors.

Why the industry is counting on the hybrid musicians of the future.

Were the Odyssey casting decisions part of the marketing campaign?

And what Suki Waterhouse could learn from Boy George...!

Read my 2000 word essay on the Burial / dubstep conundrum: https://www.patreon.com/scubaofficial/posts/eyes-back-puzzle-164702147

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:59 Releases roundup

07:40 CVC buys Distrokid

15:27 Primary Wave buys Kobalt

21:10 AI copyright regulation

30:57 Suki Waterhouse and Boy George

35:50 Is Christopher Nolan a troll

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Even if it's not just a very effective bit of marketing, John Summit should definitely turn heel.

On this episode we also discuss other notable examples of music industry creative stunts including Chuck D vs Flava Flav, Fifty Cent vs Kanye, Green Day vs The Network, and The KLF vs a million pounds.

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:41 John Summit vs Pete Tong

10:00 Chuck D vs Flava Flav

15:12 Green Day vs The Network

20:06 Fifty Cent vs Kanye West

23:05 Joaquin Phoenix

25:24 The KLF vs a million pounds

30:12 Conclusions

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No, really it does.

In this episode we discuss a series of articles recommended by friend-of-the-show Darren Hemmings in this substack post.

As the title suggests, we consider the ethics of AI music from two separate angles.

And finally we look at the increasing dominance of standup comedy in the ecosystem of live events.

I will never stand being accused of cynical ragebait!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

03:58 Changes in the business of social media

08:08 dBridge Substack post

16:35 Is algorithmic influence any different to human influence?

19:44 Why musicians hate the press

24:52 Dance music deserves to be destroyed by AI

35:03 The success of standup comedy

41:37 Transgressive comedy vs music

51:48 Conclusions

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What does the new age of oligarchy mean for the future of art and the cultural sector?

And what can we learn from previous era of extreme inequality?

Weighty question on this episode of the podcast...

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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00:00 Intro

02:30 Elon, Tesla, and SpaceX

07:23 The Gilded Age

10:34 Andrew Carnegie

27:27 Busting the Trusts

31:24 Help needed now

36:36 How left wing are you?

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Corporate money is the wellspring of great art... discuss!

Also, the demise of Nina, Juno Download, and eventually Subvert.

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00:00 Intro

03:18 Money and art

11:04 Downloads are dead

23.33 Conclusions

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Carl Craig is a producer, DJ, and label owner from Detroit. 

A feature-length documentary, Desire: The Carl Craig Story, is available to stream now. 

Listen to the reissue of 'Meditations' LP.

We discuss the history of Detroit music, the development of techno, the influence of other areas of popular culture on dance music, and the breadth of his musical experiences from playing guitar in bands as a teenager to being a current artist-in-residence at Michigan State University.

This is a conversation with a true legend who does not disappoint! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:00 The documentary

07:15 Judging artists' work

14:08 Jungle and the UK rave scene

20:29 Breakthrough and early material

25:20 Popular culture and dance music

31:55 Collaboration and solo work

35:48 Bring back guitars

41:55 The Electrifying Mojo

54:46 Techno and Motown

01:01:58 Frankfurt vs Berlin

01:08:50 Black music and diversity

01:19:47 Artist in residence at MSUFCU

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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The bulk of this episode is a deep dive on the Live Nation / Ticketmaster situation.

We look at the system of practices that has developed since the merger in 2010, the recent ruling, and the possible future arrangements in a world where the ruling (currently subject to appeal) is put into practice.

But separately, we also discuss why the Chaotic Good marketing approach is actually a good thing for music...!

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Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Support the podcast

03:00 Is Chaotic Good actually good?

07:28 Ticketing

31:41 Closing

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This week on Music Not Diving we decouple from the Youtube feed and get into the ongoing debate around AI. Sceptics like Ed Zitron have come to prominence with their doubts about the viability of business models of the big AI firms, but in music Suno is busily destroying artistry and the effect of the general LLMs has upended other bits of the industry too.

So what does this all mean?

And we also learn about the ceiling of the Rolls Royce Phantom and what that might mean for vintage mix consoles.

Bob Lefsetz piece on the Indie Alliance: lefsetz.com/wordpress/2026/03/31/the-indie-alliance/

Shawn's referenced piece: firstfloor.substack.com/p/the-majors-are-ushering-in-an-era

Ted Gioia referenced piece: www.honest-broker.com/p/four-steps-to-hell

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:00 Future of the pod

06:50 The Indie Alliance

12:30 Major labels and AI

15:00 AI scepticism

20:17 New Suno model

29:20 Rolls Royce and music

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What does the music industry have in common with Swiss watches? Quite a lot, as we discover on this solo episode of the podcast...

The latest Morgan Stanley Swiss watch industry report can be viewed here.

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

05:52 The current landscape

10:08 Volume vs luxury

14.07 The key players

19.11 How the successful acts do it

24.32 Can listeners pick up the slack?

27.10 The real problem

30.20 Conclusions

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Music Not Diving touched down in Bengaluru, aka Bangalore, for the opening night of DJ El Sid's Ends & Means party, and also to record podcasts at the Bangalore International Centre with two of the most important people in the contemporary techno scene in India. This is part II...

Sanil Sudan, aka FILM, is one of the best electronic producers to come out of India. Based in New Delhi, he has been involved in all aspects of the scene over the past decade and more: DJing, promoting parties, running one of India’s first booking agencies (UnMute), as well as making beats as FILM and other aliases including the techno-focused Tyrell Dub Corp. '

We discuss his production process, differing approaches to studio techniques including classic synths and sampling, hidden resources to be found on Youtube, the challenges facing Indian producers, the development of a distinctive Indian sound, as well as his time spent in Berlin as part of the Border Movement Residency (BMR) program. 

This is a great conversation with a big talent operating in a difficult environment. Get involved! 

Check out El Sid mixes on Soundcloud. 

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You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

03:10 FILM

06:11 From pro-gamer to promoter

08:30 The "No more parties in Delhi" experiment

11:45 Learning Music Theory mid-Career

15:45 AI Slop and the value of human emotion

17:54 The cultural necessity of sampling

22:00 Studio talk

27:00 The Berlin border movement residency

32:30 Post-COVID clubbing & Spotify fatigue

37:30 The corporatisation of Boiler Room

41:45 Forging an authentic Indian sound

49:10 The global hustle for Indian DJs

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Music Not Diving touched down in Bengaluru, aka Bangalore, for the opening night of DJ El Sid's Ends & Means party, and also to record podcasts at the Bangalore International Centre with two of the most important people in the contemporary techno scene in India. 

Kohra is a key figure in the modern iteration of techno in India. His label, Qilla Records, has been one of the most important outposts for Indian producers since 2011. And as a DJ, he has established himself as a similarly important voice across clubs and festivals both in India and on the global circuit. He's also a very interesting guy with a lot to say on the state of the scene right now, and also the history.

We discuss the scene in India compared to Europe and the US, the development of techno culture in India, the advance of western dance music brands into Asia, today's challenges in running labels, and his history in different areas of music.

This conversation is a great insight into the workings of the scene in India... get involved!

Part II will air next week.

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You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:45 Kohra

07:30 Local scenes

14:00 Western club brands in India

21:30 Politics and boycott culture

27:50 Kohra's journey into music

33:35 Production

42:08 Spending time in Melbourne

44:40 Jalebee Cartel

47:10 Running Qilla Records

53:30 Future of the scene in India

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Frank Wiedemann is one half of legendary German house duo Âme (he does the live shows and can probably be described as the lead producer). He's also a key figure in the Innervisions label, the Dixon/Âme axis, and also a member of other groups include Howling. 

We discuss the new wave of electronic music nightlife in Berlin, the responsibilities of established acts to the wider scene, his processes in making music, and performance both as Âme and also in improvisational settings such as previous pod guest Sebastian Mullaert's Circle Of Live. 

This is a good one, get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

03:50 Berlin nightlife isn't dead

07:56 Events vs. clubbing

11:01 Should bigger artists give back?

14:18 The paradox of playing live

22:22 The new Ame album

31:30 Spotify is social media

38:14 From Jazz clubs to Robert Johnson

49:00 Innervisions at the Royal Albert Hall

55:49 The art of the 8-hour jam

01:04:52 Teaching and retreats

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Slipmatt is one of the most important DJs in the history of dance music. From his first major gig at Raindance in 1989, he came to be known as the Godfather Of Hardcore, becoming synonymous with the genre that typified the UK rave sound in the early 90s. His 'SL2' project, with DJ Lime, yield two top-ten hits including the genre-defining 'On A Ragga Tip' that reached number 2 in the UK singes chart in May 1992.

He was also instrumental in emergence Jungle from the Hardcore scene, and produced classics including 'Hear Me' which typify the linearity between the two genres.

We discuss the pre-acid house period, the game-changing nature of the rave explosion both in music and society, and we get into his personal journey from bedroom producer to Top Of The Pops.

This is a great conversation with a true legend of UK dance music, get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:00 Episode start

04:55 What “Old School” really means

06:25 The split between Hardcore & Jungle

11:30 Bridging the divide

13:10 Bedroom producer beginnings

17:20 The lost art of studio mentorship

18:40 DJ Culture & skill obsession

24:15 First raves & Acid House reality

26:15 Birth of Raindance

27:40 Illegal → Legal Raves

29:10 Becoming a National DJ

30:40 Independence and management

32:10 The end of Illegal raving

33:10 Rave culture as a social & political movement

35:30 Media & moral panic

37:30 Policing, laws & the Criminal Justice Act Era

41:30 Legacy of early Rave culture

43:30 Personal reflections & looking back

47:00 Clearing samples

50:24 Top of the Pops and meeting Kylie

56:27 The Prodigy

59:31 Rage club and Jungle

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Recondite is one of our favourite guests and here we welcome him for his third appearance on the podcast.

We discuss his recent performances at arguably the world's hottest music venue - the Sphere in Las Vegas, and also the Pyramids of Giza in Egypt. And we get the inside story on what's going on in melodic techno, an area of dance music that has attracted some of the biggest audiences while being largely ignored by the press.

The issue of dance music and popular culture as art is also discussed in detail, as well as the continuing developments in AI in music - both in ethical terms and in the practice of making music.

This is a great conversation, get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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Following on from the 'End Of Recorded Music?' episode, this week we take a look at some of the surrounding issues. This is the first time I've done a solo episode speaking to camera and there are some inconsistencies which show up in the audio... check out the video version of this episode on YouTube (or if you're on Spotify then it'll be available here too).

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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Sister Bliss is the musical driving force behind one of the biggest dance acts of all time - Faithless.

We discuss her early period as a DJ, linking up with Rollo and launching Cheeky Records from home, meeting the late, great Maxi Jazz and forming Faithless. And of course we get into the hits and the differing process of music making over the years.

This is a great conversation with a true legend of UK music!

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:00 Sister Bliss

05:10 Releasing music now vs then

07:05 Champion sound & the double-album idea

09:15 Invisible gatekeepers

10:35 Forever Free, Maxi & the meaning of freedom

12:10 Vinyl culture & record-shop life

23:30 Early musical influences

29:45 The cassette demo that changed everything

31:10 Camden studios, sushi & late nights

33:00 Meeting Maxi

36:40 DJing, dropping out & taking the leap

41:10 Cheeky Records

48:00 Making the first album

55:30 Making music now: tools, plugins & overload

01:00:40 The future of creativity

01:02:45 Memory, archives & coming full circle

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:00 Sister Bliss

05:10 Releasing music now vs then

07:05 Champion sound & the double-album idea

09:15 Invisible gatekeepers

10:35 Forever Free, Maxi & the meaning of freedom

12:10 Vinyl culture & record-shop life

23:30 Early musical influences

29:45 The cassette demo that changed everything

31:10 Camden studios, sushi & late nights

33:00 Meeting Maxi

36:40 DJing, dropping out & taking the leap

41:10 Cheeky Records

48:00 Making the first album

55:30 Making music now: tools, plugins & overload

01:00:40 The future of creativity

01:02:45 Memory, archives & coming full circle

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Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!

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Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDiving

Bugged Out is one of the UK's best-loved and most enduring club brands. From humble beginnings in Manchester, through Sankeys, Cream in Liverpool, fabric and The End in London, right the way through to their enormous 30th birthday at the 15k capacity Drumsheds in London, this is a promotion that has consistently done things right in terms of the music and the vibe. 

Johnno Burgess is one of the co-founders, and also the former editor of the legendary Jockey Slut magazine which originally launched the night that became Bugged Out. 

We discuss the history of the event with its many successes and occasional failures, the changing landscape over the last 30 years, how they booked Daft Punk for free, and we also get into the golden era of the dance press and how it looks in the current era.

This is a great conversation with a relatively unsung hero of UK dance culture. Get involved! 

Grab the new Bugged Out book here

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

02:50 Bugged Out at 30

04:54 Changing fashion on the floor

07:28 The golden age of dance music journalism

12:45 Influencers are the new fanzines

18:08 The birth of Jockey Slut

24:00 From magazine to club night

27:30 The Manchester club scene

30:49 Closure of clubs and pop-up spaces

36:10 Trust and curation

44:12 Nation, Cream and Liverpool

47:20 First Bugged Out Weekender

52:30 Festival curation

55:00 Moving away from Liverpool

59:05 The End - 8 defining years

01:02:00 When clubs started disappearing

01:03:30 Drumsheds, Printworks and mega-rooms

01:05:50 The role of private equity

01:13:00 Highs and lows

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The Sabres Of Paradise were formed in 1992 by Andrew Weatherall, Gary Burns, and our guest on today's episode Jagz Kooner. They burned brightly but briefly, initially disbanding in 1995, but have now reformed (without the late Weatherall) for what Jagz says will be a limited time. 

We discuss the story of the Sabres, but also Jagz' wider career which covers a lot of ground as a remixer and producer. And we also get into his thoughts on today's scene, and the changes in music making he's witnessed in four decades making tunes. 

This is a good one! 

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

02:44 Sabres reunion

08:45 Playing Sydney Opera House

11:38 From seated silence to dancing chaos

13:05 This song changed lives

15:58 Post-Sabres life

17:06 Early DJ roots

21:36 Machines over bands

25:45 A very Jagz birthday

29:24 This machine will change the world

36:02 The bootleg that changed everything

37:30 Andrew Weatherall

45:00 Touring and burnout

47:30 After the split

50:00 Producing for others

59:30 Legacy and influence

01:03:00 The meaning of the reunion

01:07:00 Honouring Andrew Weatherall

01:11:00 Looking forward

01:15:00 Advice for young producers

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This is a re-up of a podcast we released in mid-2023 which sought to set the table for what was then the coming debate on AI in music and the wider socio-economic world. 

It's worth returning to because it covers the big issues that I anticipate will be covered on the podcast this coming year, and takes a look at some of the initial intuitions coming into this highly weird period of human history. 

This stuff isn't going anywhere, and it poses serious questions for what the music industry is for. What are musicians doing making music in this environment? What's the purpose of music in of itself? 

These are questions I have been asking myself over the last few weeks, and there are no easy answers...

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:30 AI in music and art

12:20 Possible developments

17:13 Ethics in art

22:21 Music's cultural decline

27:06 The capitalist bogeyman

29:35 Identity vs music

43:21 Is all this just moaning?

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A review of some of the stuff that happened in the Year of Our Lord, 2025.

Percy Digs instagram as mentioned: https://www.instagram.com/percydigs?igsh=MXM3OGJ0OW9rZDMzbA==

All other links and more info on this episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/best-of-2025-147063099

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:50 Track of the year

04:45 Conclusions of the year

15:20 Album of the year

18:46 Book (fiction)

22:00 Book (nonfiction)

25:14 Podcast episode

26:47 Nightclub

30:02 Forgotten Hard Rock album

33:06 Best gig

36:56 Streaming platform

40:25 Worst album of the year

41:23 Worst track of the year

42:00 Coming up in 2026

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PLEDGE DRIVE 2025 - all new subscribers to the Musicality tier on Patreon will get a Not A Diving Club t-shirt in your size of choice, delivered to your door completely free of charge!

Full details.

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Kazim is an artist manager whose clients include Nightmares On Wax, and also the chief creative and brand officer at RA.

We discuss the mechanics of creative campaigns for new and legacy artists, the challenge of breaking new music, and the different obstacles in the way of older acts. We also discuss the music media landscape and the role of media in today's industry.

This is a rare chance to get the inside track on artist management and big music media platforms... get involved!

Music discussed in the episode…

https://jitwam.bandcamp.com

https://anaiis.bandcamp.com

https://saultglobal.bandcamp.com

https://nightmaresonwax.bandcamp.com

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

04:52 Artist management vs. media platforms

07:55 Death of middle class in music

11:35 Successful artists can't tour

14:39 Everyone’s a DJ Now

17:38 Can albums still take years to break through?

21:08 Great music always shines through

24:04 100,000 songs a day

27:09 Going viral is the wrong goal

30:46 Success without social media

33:14 Word of mouth over algorithms

35:30 It’s always been a slog

39:00 Maintaining a legacy of an artist

45:00 Power in the catalogue

55:00 Working for Warp Records

01:01:35 Fans vs. listeners

01:03:20 Chasing the algorithm is not the way

01:04:50 Working at RA

01:12:08 The state of Berlin

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

04:52 Artist management vs. media platforms

07:55 Death of middle class in music

11:35 Successful artists can't tour

14:39 Everyone’s a DJ Now

17:38 Can albums still take years to break through?

21:08 Great music always shines through

24:04 100,000 songs a day

27:09 Going viral is the wrong goal

30:46 Success without social media

33:14 Word of mouth over algorithms

35:30 It’s always been a slog

39:00 Maintaining a legacy of an artist

45:00 Power in the catalogue

55:00 Working for Warp Records

01:01:35 Fans vs. listeners

01:03:20 Chasing the algorithm is not the way

01:04:50 Working at RA

01:12:08 The state of Berlin

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PLEDGE DRIVE 2025 - all new subscribers to the Musicality tier on Patreon will get a Not A Diving Club t-shirt in your size of choice, delivered to your door completely free of charge!

Full details.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!

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Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDiving

Sam Binga is a DJ & Producer from Bristol, UK.

Having first emerged in the breaks scene of the early 2000s, in the 2010s he placed himself firmly at the centre of UK bass, with releases on 50 Weapons, Exit and Critical. His sound spans the anthemic rowdiness of tracks like ‘AYO’ and ‘Lef Dem’, to the deeper explorations of his collaborations with Om Unit. He also runs Pineapple Records, a crucial label in the patchwork of soundsystem-adjacent UK electronic music. 

We discuss the state of the current UK scene, his history through various areas of the UK bass scene, forthcoming music on Pineapple, and a lot more. 

Get involved! 

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:10 Longtime listener first-time caller

05:24 2025 recap

06:30 Pros and cons of self-releasing

11:00 Liking your own music

13:30 The producer’s mind

17:30 Intuition, magic, and fear of the future

24:30 Breakstep

30:00 Bao Binga, breaks, and nearly going Dubstep

34:00 The death of the alias

37:20 Early aspirations, career advice and mountain biking

41:41 Early 2000s and lower barriers to entry

43:44 Community before social media

48:30 What Makes a scene?

52:55 Sankeys, violence, police pressure

55:00 Seeing Jeff Mills at Sankeys

58:15 The 2010s House era

59:14 The birth of Sam Binga & Exit Records

01:08:10 UK Radio culture vs. US

01:17:20 Label philosophy: skate-team energy & A&R instinct

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PLEDGE DRIVE 2025 - all new subscribers to the Musicality tier on Patreon will get a Not A Diving Club t-shirt in your size of choice, delivered to your door completely free of charge!

Full details.

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Guy Brewer, aka Shifted, aka half of Commix, aka Carrier, made an appearance on our previous incarnation, the Not A Diving Podcast, a couple of years ago that was very popular. He returns with a new alias but a similar selection of wise takes on the electronic music scene and the challenges facing everyone trying to operate in it.

We discuss the new Carrier album, Rhythm Immortal, the challenge of genre expectations, the disappearing middle class of musicians, the (ir)relevance of record labels, and much more besides.

This is a good one!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:48 Transition from Shifted to Carrier

04:48 Creative burnout

07:03 Creative Cycles & Starting Over

09:31 Musical Influences Behind Carrier

12:01 Genre ambiguity

15:04 Creative Rebirth

18:01 Industry vs. scene

21:01 The middle class of music has gone

24:02 Tech and lower barriers to entry

27:07 Does personality still matter?

31:13 Hard Techno is lifestyle branding

34:32 Aesthetics, label identity and scenes

38:20 Big tech, democratisation and gatekeeping

42:02 Self-release or label chase?

48:00 Art and intent

53:58 Production philosophy

01:00:02 Tools, workflow & sampling vs. modular

01:03:10 Creative ruts, flow states & longevity

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François X is a key figure in the history of French techno. From his DEMENT3D label and nights at Social Club to his residency at legendary club Concrete, he has helped redefine the music over time and made a huge contribution to its development in Paris and beyond.

We discuss all of the above, as well as the state of the scene right now and of course the music.

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Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:02 Episode start

04:15 State of Paris clubbing

08:00 Music evolution and changing sounds

14:00 Roots of Francois X sound

18:00 Repurposing influences

19:42 Booking Scuba & Joy Orbison

21:00 Concrete: The legendary club

32:12 Paris’ club culture identity

34:00 Quitting the day job

38:00 Disco, House and Techno

38:25 The origin of 'Francois X'

39:00 House music ruled the roost

42:10 Electroclash, French touch and Ed Banger

45:00 Soulful to Techy: Records that flipped it

48:00 Klockworks, MDR and Dub Techno

50:51 Production beginnings

52:25 DEMENT3D and starting a label

58:24 How would you start a label now?

01:05:50 Social media pressure and identity

01:11:50 What's next for Techno?

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Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event, this episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.

Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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Mixtress is a London-based DJ and producer from Amsterdam known for her versatile sets that blend genres like UK hardcore, jungle, bassweight, techno, and dubstep. Raised with a strong musical foundation, she has performed at major venues like Printworks and Fabric, appeared on platforms such as Boiler Room, and holds resident DJ spots at Rinse FM and The Cause London.

We discuss her dance music roots in Amsterdam and London, the changing nature of DJs and their careers, notable DJ beefs, and the influence of Colin Faver.

This is the fourth and final of our recordings at ADE, thanks for listening! Back on regular episodes next week.

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 brought to you by Acid Nation

02:36 Episode start

03:02 Amsterdam origins

04:36 Majestic Casual era

06:04 Lapalux shaping her taste

09:00 University, Joy Orbison and dBridge

12:10 Major events shaping music

14:30 Cancel culture

17:14 Are there too many DJs?

19:00 Hustle mindset infiltrating club culture

23:07 Edit culture and TikTok trends

24:15 Defining her style

26:35 Realising she's a 'proper DJ'

29:03 COVID era and radio shows

30:43 Scene rebuilding

32:49 Post-COVID behaviours

37:20 Can the scene autocorrect itself?

40:03 Warm-up sets and etiquette

41:30 The big rant

43:35 Favourite parties to play

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Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event, this episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.

Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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Sofia Ilyas is currently Beatport's Chief Community Officer, formerly a key figure at the Erased Tapes label, and an important force in the emergence of ambient/neoclassical superstar Nils Frahm.

We discuss her upbringing and subsequent escape from a highly conservative family in Wales, discovering electronic music in her late 20s, and eventual career in the industry.

This is a fascinating and unexpected conversation - get involved!

This is the third of our four recordings at ADE, the final one will be along shortly!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:40 Intro

03:35 The Role of Chief Community Officer

05:40 Loneliness, creativity & connection

07:55 Changing Beatport’s culture

09:40 Building a role from scratch

11:10 Beatport’s redemption

14:23 Early life in Cardiff

15:31 Escaping ultraconservatism

19:45 Temple life

21:36 Discovering club culture

25:16 Meeting Nils Frahm

27:36 The rise of Erased Tapes

30:08 Creative experiments

32:15 Leaving Erased Tapes

35:00 Saying No and authenticity

40:24 Joining Beatport

41:30 Loneliness, grief & identity

44:20 Coaching the next generation

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Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event, this episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.

Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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Dot Major is half of NIGHT manoeuvres (with ABSOLUTE), who are releasing via fabric's label. And he is also a member of London Grammar, one of the better bands to emerge from the UK in the last decade or so. 

We discuss his gradual journey into electronic music, what it's like breaking through in a big way, and some of the unusual things he's got up to along the way. 

This is the second of our four recordings at ADE, the next one will be along shortly! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:40 Intro

03:00 Missing moderator

04:11 The birth of NIGHT manoeuvres

05:16 Playing the Crane at ADE

06:31 Musical roots

09:30 HYPH MNGO and Dubstep

12:00 The roots of London Grammar

14:24 Blending live and electronic worlds

17:00 DJing, skill, and the soul of performance

20:06 Technology always wins

24:06 Baptism of fire at Printworks

28:03 Ibiza memories & the Lynx Africa hot tub

31:00 NIGHT manoeuvres from studio to stage

33:15 Gear talk

36:00 AI talk and the future of music

41:11 Favourite Dance albums

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Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event.

This episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.

Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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The first of four conversations recorded at ADE last week. 

Joris Voorn is a key figure in Dutch house and techno, and actually the genre as a whole. 

Releasing albums since 2004, he's been a fixture on the biggest stages for basically the entirety of the intervening period, and carved out a distinctive sound without ever pandering to the fashions of the day. 

He's also thoroughly nice chap who talks very well about the music and culture that surrounds it. 

Stay tuned for the other three conversations coming over the course of the next couple of weeks.

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

02:30 Intro

04:18 ADE & Amsterdam

06:15 Ibiza: Then vs. Now

10:53 Genres

14:35 Minimal was a shockwave

16:27 Albums & consistency

19:50 “I thought you needed a 303 to make Techno”

23:57 Carl Cox the kingmaker

26:08 “All the music I made, probably 1% got released”

34:00 Creative change and backlash

36:10 ‘Serotonin’ and personal loss

38:09 The songwriting process

44:00 “You can’t tell if it’s AI or Human anymore”

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Perc is one of modern techno's reference points: an internationally touring DJ and live act, founder of the scene-leading Perc Trax label and one of the most respected producers in techno today.

We discuss his early period of hardware experimentation, the birth of Perc the artist project as well as the Perc Trax label, recent developments in techno, and the evolution of his sound. 

This is a crucial conversation with one of the absolute key figures in the history of UK techno. Get involved! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:23 Perc

04:27 Techno DJing today

06:26 A weekend of cancellations

07:24 Tresor and Techno

11:26 Berghain reflections

18:39 Early life & musical roots

21:13 From Metal bands to machines

26:35 Studying Music Production

36:07 The birth of Perc

39:59 Working at Prime

48:01 Collapse of vinyl's golden age

50:58 Life after Prime

55:50 Learning the label game

59:30 Nucleus records and gaming the charts

01:05:30 Perctrax

01:09:00 Social media, hype, and longevity

01:13:25 Mentoring challenges

01:16:40 Tiptoeing around Hard Techno

01:24:43 The worst thing for Perctrax

01:26:00 Best Techno parties now

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A boycott is the end of a conversation, not the start. 

On Music Not Diving this week, we discuss whether Spotify is such an exceptional case of evil that it deserves be made an example of, or whether there might be another platform, for instance one owned by a Communist dictatorship, which might better fit the bill. 

And we give thanks to Cory Doctorow for his theoretical underpinning to the episode, which also features in the title! 

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

04:00 Enshittification

13:27 The Napster era

18:40 Is Spotify a special case?

25:00 AI music in streaming

31:15 Tiktok is a music streamer

37:55 The real problem is distribution

41:45 Do labels still add value?

Honestly this could easily have been twice as long and there are many issues which are omitted or insufficiently covered... but it took nearly a whole day to record and edit and that's about the limit of my pay grade! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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DJ Bone is a legend of Detroit techno, and previous guest on the original version of this show, episode 73 of the Not A Diving Podcast.

We discuss the latest goings on between Motor City and his adopted home of Amsterdam, his recent album The End Of Never... and whether DJs really need to learn how to beatmatch. 

A welcome return from one of our favourite guests in the history of the show! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:00 DJ Bone

05:18 “Professor Bone time”

07:01 Prince, Mojo & the birth of Detroit Techno loyalty

012:26 “People forgot how to rave”

15:30 Creeping commercialisation

21:00 Music and distribution

23:15 10,000 vinyl records

30:20 Beatmatching is DJing 101

35:49 The next gen and mentorship

41:03 “They're too worried about a career before they hone their craft”

47:00 Music is therapy and the album process

57:00 Playing your own music out

62:00 Detroit vs the world

01:06:10 Aphex Twins and Moodymann

01:11:00 Techno is political

01:22:30 Homeless homies

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Paul Ćinske is the man behind every single booking at the most important club in the history of techno (maybe)... Tresor.

We discuss the current state of the Berlin scene, the changes since the trauma of the pandemic, his role at the venue in detail, the importance of one person steering the creative ship of a club like Tresor... and much else besides.

We haven't had anything quite like this on the show before, and Paul does not disappoint!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

02:00 Paul Ćinske

04:22 That classic Berlin cliche

08:22 Future Music and the Melbourne scene

09:00 Berlin’s clubbing landscape

11:48 First impressions of Berlin

14:45 Berlin = Techno city

17:25 Small venues and the ecosystem

21:50 Has raving in a dark room become less attractive?

25:00 Less stigma with older ravers

31:10 Ticketing culture vs. Berlin’s door policy

35:05 If FWD was down to ticket figures…

38:30 Working as Tresor’s booker

46:00 OM is the great humbler

47:30 Tresor’s reopening & post-pandemic recovery

54:02 Creative direction of Tresor

01:04:00 Legacy, identity & the future

01:09:30 Büro Siebzig

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Returning guest Darren Hemmings is a music marketing expert and the founder of a creative marketing agency specialising in music called Motive Unknown.

He's also the author of the excellent Network Notes Substack.

How do you break through in 2025? How do you even get your music heard? These problems are as pertinent for acts signed to big labels as it is for people just starting out.

Is streaming a problem? And what is the role of labels today? We address all these things and much more besides in a vital conversation for anyone with even a passing interest in music, the industry, and the development of culture in today’s big tech- dominated world.

This is a great conversation with a returning guest who will definitely be on the show again!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

02:41 Intro

04:34 Music marketing: constantly changing… or just copycatting?

07:59 The Death of Monoculture

12:30 Why do labels exist anymore?

14:35 Labels as a nexus point

18:05 Big Tech hates teenage girls

20:07 Music is worth… nothing

22:07 Flood the market with crap

26:10 Sorry, but not everyone’s an artist

27:13 Raves without phones

29:55 The “S” word

35:53 The importance of local scenes

39:20 What does change look like

44:46 Déjà Vu: The next music industry collapse

48:23 Oasis, K-Pop, and the price of nostalgia

55:00 Did Indie labels blow their shot?

56:05 Private equity, KKR and boycotting

01:04:21 The role of journalism and criticism

01:08:14 Is Gen Z missing out?

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Jamz Supernova is one of the UK’s most respected DJs and broadcasters. Best known for her shows on BBC Radio 1Xtra and BBC 6 Music, she's built a reputation as a champion of forward-thinking sounds, spanning R&B, future soul, club music, and the global underground.

Beyond her broadcasting career, Jamz is also the founder of Future Bounce, the label and club brand that has become a platform for innovative new talent. From curating radio shows and festival stages to running her own imprint, she has established herself as a key voice shaping the conversation around contemporary music in the UK and beyond.

We discuss her experiences in broadcasting, the various ways people find their way in music careers, and what it's like being a judge on the Mercury Music Prize.

Get involved!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

03:10 Podcast vs. Radio

06:30 Getting into the industry

09:52 Influences and aspirations

12:03 Deptford, Millwall and gentrification

13:48 Radio does nothing for kids

18:20 The biggest challenge for artists

18:44 2008 Financial crash and DIY Hustle

19:57 Starting at 1Xtra

26:40 Black British Music in the mainstream

30:02 “You shouldn’t like everything I play”

34:26 Brit School

40:35 UK Funky, Dubstep and Rinse

44:44 Traumatic first DJ gig

49:14 “I’m never mixing RnB and Hip-Hop”

53:17 Gilles Peterson

56:00 Being a multi-genre DJ

59:03 Bridging Radio and Club audiences

01:03:40 The homogenisation of production

01:07:50 Being a Mercury Prize judge

01:13:50 The genius of Dizzee Rascal

01:15:42 Artistic freedom

01:16:55 Predjudice and Radio 6

01:20:08 3 Biggest tunes of the Summer

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Pendulum are the biggest Drum n Bass act of all time. A controversial statement perhaps but one that ChatGPT agrees with. 

El Hornet is the band's DJ, a member since day 1 of Pendulum in Perth, Australia, and a man who has been on every step of the journey along with Rob Swire and Gareth McGrillen. 

They have a new album out called Inertia, and it's their first one since 2010. It's both very modern and very recognisable as a Pendulum record, which might say as much about their wider influence on dance music as anything else. 

We discuss the scene in 90s Perth, playing in punk bands, moving to the UK in 2003, taking over the scene and ultimately outgrowing it. Oh and playing before Beyoncé at Glastonbury. 

Some mad stuff in this one - you're gonna enjoy it! 

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Chapters:

00:00 Join Acid Nation

00:59 Intro

02:43 El Hornet

03:14 The new album

06:40 The influence on Skrillex

08:00 Breaking the DnB mould

08:57 Knife Party and being competitive

09:52 DJing after Andy C

11:09 Lightening up

13:03 “You blink and you’re a legacy act’

19:03 Genres are important

20:50 Dubstep in the US

26:07 Perth, Australia

35:14 Mining and meth

39:15 Moving to the UK

51:10 Breaking through

57:15 The new record

01:03:00 The DnB ethos

01:05:28 Singing over Drum n Bass

01:08:06 Current state of the scene

01:11:00 Beyoncé at Glastonbury

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We are finally back with a brand new episode!

Kelly Lee Owens is one of the most notable UK electronic musicians to emerge over the last decade. An album artist, she released her first LP back in 2017 and the most recent, Dreamstate was released on dh2 in 2024.

We discuss her past as a Taekwondo black belt, experiences with the supernatural, making music without knowledge of theory, the mechanics of releasing music today, as well as the challenges facing musicians and the scene more widely.

This is a good one!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

03:18 Episode starts

03:43 Wrestling stan

06:13 The 5 tenets needed for Taekwondo and Music

07:30 Haunted hotels

10:35 Welsh folklore and wizardry

17:40 Music theory and the decline of music education

27:45 Waiting for the magic to happen

28:54 The importance of collaboration

32:42 "The weight of an album will never change''

39:10 The creative process shouldn't be easy

43:30 Making the first album

49:55 The album campaign lifecycle

54:58 The rise in marketing and branding

58:40 Flogging artists and mental health

01:04:16 Working as a nurse

01:05:22 Ozzy Osbourne

01:07:24 The importance of a manager

01:09:45 Getting into Dance music

01:12:58 Decline of small venues and culture

01:18:23 The rise in touring costs

01:20:24 The Festivalisation of Dance Music

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Skream was the poster boy for the early dubstep scene, then made the charts as part of Magnetic Man, and since then forged a unique path through different areas of dance music while always maintaining the personality that made him a star in the first place.

This conversation was first broadcast in September 2023, episode 85 of our previous incarnation, the Not A Diving Podcast. And more people have listened to it than any of our other 200-odd episodes.

We discuss what the very early years of dubstep were really like, and what happened when the Americans got involved. What it was like being marketed as an old fashioned rock n roll hellraiser, the fun that was had and the pressure that came with it. And we get into how the music and the scene has changed along the way.

This is a great chat with a legend of UK music - worth a re-spin even if you listened the first time round, and absolutely essential listening if you missed it!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

02:45 Skreamizm 8

08:12 Lockdown Tunes & Addictive Process

20:40 Staying True, Not Conforming

30:48 Different Definitions of Success

34:15 Transition to House

43:46 Autonomic Influence

50:32 Stories Before the Sober Journey

1:00:41 Generational Marketability

1:07:54 Upbringing, Escapism, Maturing

1:15:55 How Magnetic Man’s Pop Sound Influenced American Dubstep

1:23:33 Genre Gatekeeping in DNB, Jungle, and Garage

1:28:40 (Big) Apple Records

1:39:10 Scene Development Differences

1:47:33 Panorama Bar & DoLab Experiences

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and Bandcamp alternatives

07:50 What is Bandcamp and D2C?

15:45 Bandcamp vs the whole industry

19:00 Growth, efficiency, takeovers

26:00 Single point of failure?

36:00 Are dance music fans stingy?

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Stuart McMillan is half of Slam, one of the most important UK techno acts in history and absolute key players in the world of Scottish electronic music.

The new Slam album, Dark Channel is out now on their own Soma imprint - one of the most important UK techno labels and a conversation in itself.

We discuss the story of Slam from the mid 80s onwards, traversing the Acid House experience in Glasgow into the 90s rave era and beyond. We talk about Daft Punk releasing their early singles on Soma and the history of the label more generally. And we discuss the modern techno scene in Scotland and across the world.

Another point of conversation is the 2018 Slam album Athenaeum 101 - a really great piece of work which very much deserves another look and listen.

Scotland has been criminally neglected on the podcast up til now so this is a great way to start addressing the balance! 

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

02:54 Glasgow techno scene

12:20 New Slam album - Dark Channel

21:50 Divisions in society and music

28:45 Is techno political?

34:10 Early years in music

40:40 Acid House and rave in Glasgow

01:01:50 Early Slam productions

01:15:30 The label - Soma

01:18:30 Discovering Daft Punk

01:27:55 The best club in the world

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No full episode this week but an update on our scheduling woes and what we have coming up for the rest of the summer.

Oh and the world's worst Spotify take.

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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We've covered techno quite a lot over the years, but this episode is definitely one of our favourites.

Originally broadcast May 2024, we were discussing the LB Dub Corp album Saturn To Home. But we talk about a lot more than that!

Normal service will resume on Tuesday 29 July.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

01:52 Luke Slater's definition of Techno

05:20 Techno vs Rave

09:30 Dance music vs Rave Culture

15:40 Modern festivals

18:30 Early 90s Techno wars

30:00 Using aliases

35:00 LB Dub Corp - Saturn To Home

43:00 Vocalists on the album

57:20 On very long tracks

01:05:30 Berlin clubs

01:13:00 Problems in the modern club scene

01:24:00 Different eras of Hard Techno

01:33:40 Internationalism in the dance scene

01:37:00 Techno recommendations!

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Denise Devenish is a psychotherapist who specialises in treating musicians, offering a specialist service for those working in music and the creative industries.

She describes herself as having grown up "in a family steeped in the music business and having been surrounded by musicians and industry folk my whole life" and having "witnessed first hand the unique highs and lows that working in the industry entails."

So of course this is an interesting person to talk to!

We discuss the extent of the mental health crisis in the creative industries (as well as the wider economy), the differences in the younger generation and their attitudes to drug and alcohol, the "art comes from pain" and "genius requires madness" tropes, and the changes that digital music has brought to participants in the industry.

The book we refer to is Can Music Make You Sick? by Sally Anne Gross and George Musgrave (aka Context). A key input into that is Jodi Dean's Communucative Capitalism (2005), which I also recommend.

This a really interesting discussion of some pertinent issues!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

03:39 Who is Denise Devenish?

07:45 Mental health challenges in creative industries

13:30 The realities of creative work

20:40 Suffering for your art

27:30 On-stage characters

30:50 Challenges of different levels of success

36:10 Metrics of value in digital music

43:30 Are young people really drinking less?

50:00 What are the treatment options?

01:07:00 Early experiences

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This is easily in my top 3 favourite episodes of the 170-odd we've done. The sound of it was originally pretty terrible though, it was a constant battle in the early days of the podcast to get people recording in good spaces.

Luckily we kept most of the individual mic channels and the software has come on leaps and bounds recently, so it's now very easy to convert a very roomy mic recording into something that sounds like it was done in a proper radio studio.

Steve Davis was one of the very biggest sporting celebrities in the 1980s. He totally dominated the sport of snooker in Tiger Woods-like fashion, winning the world title six times and setting unprecedented levels of excellence in front of enormous television audiences. The 18m who tuned in on BBC2 to watch him lose the 1985 final on the final ball of the final frame, well after midnight, is still a record.

But he's also a major music head, DJ and modular synth-playing member of experimental group The Utopia Strong, who has always been a very interesting character. The Utopia Strong releases since we first broadcast this conversation two years ago are... well, strong, especially the BBC Sessions release which was recorded in a live session at the legendary Maida Vale studios.

And he's also Eddie Hearn's Godfather.

So we talk about all of the above, but perhaps most interestingly the experience of fame at that level and how to cope with it. Having a really top manager helps, we discover.

This is well worth a re-listen if you caught it first time round, and if you didn't - well, you're in for a treat.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

04:45 Warming up for Blur

10:50 The legend of Magma

12:40 Starting a DJ career

21:15 Getting into modular

25:15 The Utopia Strong - influences

28:30 Playing music live vs playing professional snooker

40:00 Dealing with nerves

42:30 Issues with quitting professional sport

48:00 Longevity in music careers

54:00 Professionalisation of snooker

59:00 Management and Barry (and Eddie) Hearn

01:13:30 The pressures of fame

01:21:30 On Stephen Hendry and Jimmy White

01:24:15 The 1985 World Championship Final

01:29:30 The similarities of flow in sport and music

01:33:40 On going on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here

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James Holden is a highly respected electronic musician from the UK. He first broke through in the late 90s with his trance-crossover anthem 'Horizons', and quickly became established as an expert producer and DJ. Following his first album 'The Idiots Are Winning', released like almost all of his music on his own label Border Community label, his sound has evolved in expansive and unexpected ways, culminating in 2023's 'Imagine This Is a High Dimensional Space of All Possibilities' and most recently 'The Universe Will Take Care Of You' with Waclaw Zimpel.

We discuss his changing approaches to making recording and performing, his relationship with nightclubs and DJ culture, the specifics of making his most recent albums, and the nature of music as art.

We also attempt to get him to dish the dirt on big name DJs but he turns out to be the model of discretion!

This is a good one, stick it on, and then listen to his recent catalogue - it's truly amazing work.

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

03:33 DJing and nightclubs

09:30 Playing live

13:00 Originality

16:00 Meeting Waclaw Zimpel

21:30 Improvisation

32:10 Jamming or songwriting

36:30 Awful superstar DJs and meeting heroes

39:40 Composition and coding

48:30 Is recorded music a historical blip?

57:00 Recording session in Morocco

01:08:00 DJing as art

01:14:40 The Animal Spirits

01:19:30 Imagine This Is A High Dimensional Space Of All Possibilities

01:28:30 Influential albums

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