Explore every episode of the podcast Living Out Podcast
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| Talking with Friends (Friendship #4) | 13 Mar 2025 | 00:32:29 | |
So far in this series we’ve talked about why we need friendships and the difference Jesus makes to them, but what does that look like in reality? Adam and Ashleigh each sit down with a friend to talk about how their friendship has brought them closer to God and taught them more about him, and share their reflections on what has helped their friendships to thrive. Why not share this episode with a friend and let them know how much you appreciate them? Resources mentioned and related
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| Friendship and Intimacy (Friendship #3) | 27 Feb 2025 | 00:33:53 | |
Isn’t intimacy all about sex? How and why should we pursue intimacy in our friendships? We’re joined by Katherine (Kaleidoscope contributor and part of the Being Human team at the Evangelical Alliance) for a conversation about different kinds of intimacy, how we can practically cultivate deeper and more intimate friendships, and how to navigate some of the risks inherent to pursuing intimacy in friendships. Resources mentioned and related
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| Robert: Real Love (Different Stories #8) | 10 Oct 2024 | 00:34:06 | |
This episode contains discussion of childhood sexual abuse, depression, and suicidal thoughts. Sometimes God breaks into our lives in the most unlikely circumstances. Robert was sexually abused by a teacher at school, forced into becoming a Christian, and went on to marry a woman and lead a church – all while being same-sex attracted and not truly knowing Jesus. From there things fell apart, and Robert began living as an out gay man. Only later would he come to know the love of God for the first time, and give his life to Christ. Resources mentioned and related If you’re affected by any of the issues raised in this episode, please reach out to someone you trust. In the UK, you can also contact Samaritans for support – call 116 123 free, 24 hours a day. Samaritans also provide a full list of organisations you can contact for advice on a range of issues, including abuse and mental health. You can find that here. | |||
| Meet the Authors #7 - Sean Doherty | 08 Apr 2021 | 00:33:32 | |
This week we're chatting with Sean Doherty who works in theological education and teaches Christian Ethics. He realised he was gay/same-sex attracted in his late teens but to his surprise he ended up married to Gaby, who is currently a curate. Sean talks about his experiences of marriage as someone who is same-sex attracted, and explores more generally what godly sexual attraction looks like. We also discuss how the church can respond in a helpful way when a gay couple become Christians and we talk about what healthy committed friendship looks like. Resources mentioned | |||
| Meet the Authors #6 - Jeanette Howard | 25 Mar 2021 | 00:29:38 | |
This week we're chatting with Jeanette Howard - author, speaker, gardener and pet-sitter. We explore her story of growing up with gender confusion, developing same-sex attraction and coming to faith in the 1980s through her then-girlfriend. She explains how she left a gay lifestyle behind and shares what has helped her to grow in her love of Jesus. She also challenges the church to support others like her by being real family to one another. We also talk about her latest writing project - Betrothed: Wooed By a Greater Love. Resources mentioned
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| Meet the Authors #5 - Vaughan Roberts | 11 Mar 2021 | 00:31:54 | |
In this episode, we’re talking to Vaughan Roberts. Vaughan is a pastor at St Ebbe’s Church Oxford, where he has been for 30 years. Here he shares his experiences of coming out as same-sex attracted and what he’s learned about sharing personal experiences with others. He explores whether it’s wise for all same-sex attracted Christians to come out, and some things to think about when we do share with others. We also discuss friendship and what Song of Songs can teach us about intimacy with Christ. Resources mentioned
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| Meet the Authors #4 - Sam Allberry | 25 Feb 2021 | 00:32:37 | |
In this episode, we’re talking to Sam Allberry who works as a pastor and an apologist, and was part of the team that founded Living Out. Here Sam talks to us about how the church is supporting same-sex attracted Christians, which bits of the Bible he focuses on when he teaches about sexuality and why it is a gospel issue. We also chat about his recent books about singleness and sexual ethics and explore themes of consent, Christian community and the purpose of marriage. Resources mentioned
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| Meet the Authors #3 - Dani Treweek | 04 Feb 2021 | 00:31:30 | |
In this episode, we’re talking to Dani Treweek who is the chair of singlemindedconference.com and has recently completed PhD research into a theological ethic of singleness. Dani explains about her research into singleness in the church and unpacks some of the issues that we all need to think about in order to value and include single people in church life. She talks about how we can learn from historical Christian thinking that challenges our contemporary cultural blind spots and leads us into a richer understanding of God’s design for singleness, marriage and our sexualities. Resources mentioned · On ‘Old Books’ and the Single Christian Life Dani Treweek · 7 Myths about Singleness Sam Allberry · Breaking the Marriage Idol: Reconstructing Our Cultural and Spiritual Norms Kutter Callaway | |||
| Meet the Authors #2 - Adam Curtis | 28 Jan 2021 | 00:28:51 | |
In this episode, we have a fascinating conversation with Adam Curtis. Adam is a Curate in Sidcup and oversees evangelism at his church. In this interview Adam gives an honest, warm and hopeful account of how he came to terms with his same-sex attraction and applied the truths of the gospel to his sexuality. We also discuss his research on Queer Theology and the sexuality of Jesus. Resources mentioned
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| Meet the Authors #1 - Andrew Bunt | 07 Jan 2021 | 00:35:02 | |
For this episode, we’re chatting to Andrew Bunt. Andrew is part of the leadership team at King’s Church Hastings and Bexhill and is also a speaker and writer with Living Out. In this interview we explore his story as he sought to reconcile his faith and his sexuality. He covers coming out, forming views on what the Bible says about homosexuality, wrestling with the implications of biblical teaching, issues of identity and emotional dependency and advice on how we can do better to nuture godly intimacy. Resources mentioned
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| David: Radical Celibacy (Different Stories #7) | 26 Sep 2024 | 00:32:38 | |
As a gay teenager, David felt rejected by the Church and couldn’t see a plausible way for him to be a Christian. He became an activist set on destroying Christianity and opposing it at every turn. But his time at university found him looking for something deeper, eventually leading to an unlikely encounter with Jesus and the love of God.
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| Laura: Good Friendship (Different Stories #6) | 12 Sep 2024 | 00:32:04 | |
Looking for purpose and meaning at medical school, Laura spoke to a Christian friend who invited her to church. She decided to put her trust in Jesus, and it was only several years later she realised she was same-sex attracted. We chat with Laura about how she’s found trusting that God’s ways are good since then, and why good friendships are so important as she seeks to follow Jesus. She shares how her friendships have sometimes been complicated by attraction or emotional dependency, and some of the things God has taught her about friendship along the way. Resources mentioned and related
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| Paul: Responding to Our Desires (Different Stories #5) | 29 Aug 2024 | 00:28:55 | |
Paul tells us how he came to faith as a teenager, and how a combination of clear teaching and sharing with good friends has helped him navigate same-sex attraction and stay faithful to Jesus. Paul also shares how he unexpectedly fell in love with his now wife, and his advice for any same-sex attracted Christians considering an opposite-sex marriage. We also chat about how we respond to our desires. Is it harmful to deny ourselves things we desire? How do we know which desires are good to act on and which aren’t? What are the different lenses we might look at those questions through and how do they influence our approach?
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| Simon: Intimacy and Emotional Dependency (Different Stories #4) | 15 Aug 2024 | 00:34:56 | |
We chat to Simon about how understanding God’s bigger purposes for his people has helped fuel his excitement for living God’s way when it comes to sexuality. Simon tells us how getting involved in True Freedom Trust helped him find a supportive community where he could be more open about his sexuality, having not come out to anyone until his early 20s. Simon also shares his experience of emotional dependency and what God has taught him about healthy relationships and intimacy. We talk about loneliness, singleness and forming friendships with deeper commitment. Resources mentioned and related
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| Katherine: The Power and Beauty of Stories (Different Stories #3) | 01 Aug 2024 | 00:31:49 | |
Katherine shares her story of dating a girl as a teenager, and noticing how Jesus genuinely transformed the lives of Christians she knew. As she opened up the Bible for herself and got to know and love Jesus, Katherine tells us how she accepted the invitation to follow him in all areas of her life, including with her sexuality.
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| Ryan: From Joyless to Joyful Obedience (Different Stories #2) | 18 Jul 2024 | 00:26:24 | |
Ryan shares his story of coming out as a teenager, coming to faith at university, and the gradual, ongoing process of reconciling his faith and sexuality. He unpacks some of the key things God has taught him along the way, including why following Jesus means gaining so much more than you lose, and why living a single and celibate life isn't a waste of your sexuality. | |||
| Simon: Reconciling Sexuality, Faith and Ministry (Different Stories #1) | 04 Jul 2024 | 00:34:18 | |
Simon shares his story of coming to faith and coming to terms with his sexuality. We ask him about his experience of sharing with friends about his sexuality having kept it quiet for 10 years, and some of the benefits and challenges of being same-sex attracted in ministry. Simon also shares what he would tell his younger self now, and some reflections on how much our sexuality is part of our identity. Resources mentioned and related: | |||
| Series 10: Different Stories - Trailer | 27 Jun 2024 | 00:00:53 | |
For our next podcast series, we're going back to our roots - hearing stories from same-sex attracted Christians about the goodness and faithfulness of God in their lives. We hope you'll join us and be encouraged! First episode coming 4th July. | |||
| Legal Freedoms (Church Leaders #8) | 13 Jun 2024 | 00:35:05 | |
What are your legal freedoms to speak on sexuality and gender at church and in the workplace? Andy and Andrew are joined by Danny Webster from the Evangelical Alliance to think through our legal freedoms when it comes to what we say and what we do on issues of sexuality and gender, both at church and in the secular workplace. The team discuss what the law says about all this, the implications for who we employ or admit as members in our churches, the need to be clear and consistent in what we say and do, and what the future might hold. Resources mentioned and related
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| Friendship and Jesus (Friendship #2) | 13 Feb 2025 | 00:31:55 | |
How does being friends with Jesus change the way we do friendship, with Christians and non-Christians? What are the most encouraging and challenging things about the friendship Jesus offers us? And how do we practically go about addressing the friendship deficit in our own lives, while having realistic expectations of ourselves and our friends? We’re joined by Vaughan Roberts for a challenging, encouraging and liberating conversation about the joys and limits of human friendship, and how knowing Jesus as our friend transforms our view of and approach to friendships. Vaughan is the rector of St Ebbe’s church in Oxford and author of True Friendship. Resources mentioned and related
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| Engaging With Society (Church Leaders #7) | 30 May 2024 | 00:38:48 | |
How do we engage with a culture which holds such different views to us on sexuality and gender? It’s easy to feel hopeless or fearful as we engage in conversations with those around us on these sensitive issues, but in this episode Ed, Adam and Andrew help us to think about how we can do it well. In particular, what sort of mindset or attitude should you and your church family adopt as you approach these topics? How can you equip your church family to engage with and understand our culture? How can we communicate lovingly, and how do we respond to pushback or pressure to engage with things which seem to contradict our faith? Resources mentioned and related
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| The Next Generation (Church Leaders #6) | 16 May 2024 | 00:32:53 | |
How as churches can we best engage and help the next generation on the issue of sexuality? It can be an intimidating topic to tackle, but Andy, Ashleigh and Andrew encourage us that young people need the gospel as much as anyone else, and that it speaks good news into their big questions and concerns on sexuality and gender. The team also offer some practical wisdom on how we as church families can all play our part in proclaiming and living out the good news, as we navigate an issue which presents big challenges but also big opportunities to connect the next generation with the gospel.
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| Church Membership and Discipline (Church Leaders #5) | 02 May 2024 | 00:31:39 | |
How should we approach a conversation with a gay couple wanting to get baptised or get their child baptised? What should we bear in mind when considering who to invite to formal church membership or leadership positions? How can we be consistent and loving in disciplining people who are living unrepentantly in ways that are contrary to what the Bible teaches? Ashleigh, Ed and Andy discuss the issues of church membership and discipline particularly in relation to sexuality and relationships, but also more broadly for anyone who is part of a church. Resources mentioned and related
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| Handling Disagreement (Church Leaders #4) | 18 Apr 2024 | 00:33:35 | |
What if there’s disagreement in our church on sexuality? Ashleigh, Ed and Andy discuss why this isn’t something we can just agree to disagree on, and some key principles to bear in mind as we work things out in light of that. The team then offer some practical wisdom on how to have these conversations within your church leadership team and as a whole church, including whether it’s helpful to hold events engaging with opposing views. Resources mentioned and related
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| Pastoral Care (Church Leaders #3) | 04 Apr 2024 | 00:37:09 | |
In this episode we discuss how we can provide good pastoral care, both for those who are themselves same-sex attracted and wanting to follow Jesus, and for those who have gay family members and want to love them well. | |||
| Teaching on Sexuality (Church Leaders #2) | 21 Mar 2024 | 00:32:58 | |
What cultural and biblical context do we need to bear in mind as we teach on sexuality and gender? How do we handle the Bible passages which directly address homosexuality? Ashleigh, Andy and Andrew discuss the need to approach these topics with both clarity and compassion, whether it’s best to do a one-off sermon or a whole series, and the importance of being aware of the people we’re speaking to and their experiences.
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| Starting the Conversation (Church Leaders #1) | 07 Mar 2024 | 00:33:54 | |
In the first episode of this new series, we talk about why and how we should start the conversation on sexuality and gender in our churches. Andrew, Ashleigh and Ed share their experiences of what happens when you do (and don’t) discuss these topics in church, and why not being upfront on what we believe can be so unhelpful. The team also discuss how to engage well with our culture and our own church family as we prepare to have these conversations, making sure we’re clear on what we believe and the range of views and experiences we’ll encounter as we talk about sexuality and gender.
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| Series 9: Church Leaders - Trailer | 29 Feb 2024 | 00:01:12 | |
Ashleigh introduces our brand new podcast series - coming 7th March! | |||
| Featured Episode: How Important Is All This? (Explore Questions #6) | 22 Feb 2024 | 00:33:51 | |
Our new series is coming soon, and in the meantime we're highlighting a couple of episodes from the vault. In our second series, we took on some of the most common questions we get asked about faith and sexuality, including this one: how important is all this? Resources mentioned
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| Featured Episode: Isn’t the Christian Sexual Ethic Harmful and Repressive? (Explore Questions #2) | 08 Feb 2024 | 00:30:53 | |
While we work on our next series, we thought we'd take the opportunity to highlight a couple of episodes from the vault. In our second series, we took on some of the most common questions we get asked about faith and sexuality, including this one: isn't the Christian sexual ethic harmful and repressive? In the second half, we push back on the claim that the pattern for sexuality laid out in the Bible is harmful, and we share our own experiences of the Christian sexual ethic as life-giving. Oh, and you can step back in time and find out what we were all watching on TV! Resources mentioned
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| Designed for Friendship (Friendship #1) | 30 Jan 2025 | 00:34:16 | |
How can we be friends with God? What does that actually look like in daily life? Does being friends with God mean we don't need human friends?
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| Farewell to Anne | 22 Jan 2024 | 00:42:12 | |
In this special episode we say a sad farewell to our Content Director, Anne Witton. Anne shares her reasons for stepping down from front-line ministry at this time and talks honestly about some of the joys and struggles of her work with Living Out. The team discuss highlights of the last few years, share favourite resources and remember plenty of funny moments. Resources mentioned and related
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| Hebrews 2 and 1 Corinthians 6 (Bible Encouragements #5) | 21 Dec 2023 | 00:30:39 | |
Andy explains how Hebrews 2 speaks into his experience of suffering and temptation in the area of sexuality, by reminding him that Jesus has been tempted and is sympathetic when we're struggling.
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| 10th Anniversary Special | 07 Dec 2023 | 00:36:57 | |
Ed is joined by Living Out co-founders Sam Allberry and Sean Doherty to talk about the early years of the ministry and some highlights from its history. They share the story of how and why Living Out started and what their expectations were when it was launched ten years ago. In the second half of the show they share their personal highlights, discuss the impact Living Out has had and express their hopes for the future. Resources mentioned and related
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| Romans 7 and Acts 8 (Bible Encouragements #4) | 23 Nov 2023 | 00:28:40 | |
Adam explains how Romans 7 shows that God understands our experiences and the clash of desires in our hearts. He takes comfort from the fact that the Bible is very real about the struggles we all face but also offers freedom from condemnation for those who come to Christ. Ed has chosen Acts 8 as a passage as an example of a beautiful encounter between Jesus and someone who experienced the shame of not having children. He takes encouragement from the fact that Jesus – the one who was despised and rejected – meets us in our pain and offers us hope. Resources mentioned and related
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| Psalms 63 and 73 (Bible Encouragements #3) | 09 Nov 2023 | 00:32:52 | |
Andrew and Anne each pick a Bible passage that has helped them persevere in living faithfully for Jesus. Anne explains why Psalm 63 has helped her identify and overcome idolatry in her friendships with women and encouraged her to hunger for God instead. Andrew's choice of Psalm 73 shows that God himself is the greatest gift to us and we don't need to envy those who have things – like same-sex relationships – that we think we want. Following Jesus never means missing out on good and ultimate satisfaction. Resources mentioned and related
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| 2 Corinthians 12 and Revelation 5 (Bible Encouragements #2) | 26 Oct 2023 | 00:29:52 | |
Ashleigh explains how Revelation 5 helps her keep an eternal perspective in times of change and makes sense of the longings in her heart. 2 Corinthians 12 is one of Andy's favourite passages and he shares how Paul's teaching about his thorn in the flesh is an encouragement to look to Jesus whose grace is sufficient for us. Resources mentioned and related
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| John 4 and Genesis 3 (Bible Encouragements #1) | 12 Oct 2023 | 00:33:32 | |
Join Anne and Ed as they discuss some passages of Scripture that have really encouraged them. Ed's pick is John 4 and he explains why Jesus' encounter with the woman at the well helps him understand Jesus' heart for those who have sinned sexually and the beautiful way that he stewards his sexuality. Anne shares why Genesis 3 helps her make sense of life and God's purposes for sexuality and points forward to the hope of the gospel for all of us, whatever our areas of brokenness. Resources mentioned and related
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| LGBT+ Teenagers and Mental Health feat. Dr. Preston Sprinkle (Youth Leaders' Crash Course #7) | 28 Sep 2023 | 00:38:38 | |
In the last episode of this series, Andrew and Ashleigh seek to understand the connection between LGBT+ and mental health and share some of their own experiences. They explore difficult issues like the social stress model, family rejection and insidences of suicide. There are plenty of practical tips on supporting young people who wrestle with mental ill health and they show how the Christian gospel both makes sense of suffering and offers hope in the midst of it. Discussion questions For the episode:
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| Thinking About Transgender feat. Dr. Julie Maxwell (Youth Leaders' Crash Course #6) | 31 Aug 2023 | 00:39:49 | |
In this show we're looking at how to support young people who are struggling with their gender identity. We define the terms and share our own stories of gender confusion before discussing some of the reasons why increasing numbers of young people might be identifying as transgender. In the second half we get practical with advice about how to support young people experiencing distress about their gender, including how to respond with compassion, how to talk about identity and how to offer hope in suffering. This episode also features an interview with community paediatrician Dr. Julie Maxwell. Discussion questions
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| Pastoral Support: Caring for Same-sex Attracted Teens (Youth Leaders' Crash Course #5) | 17 Aug 2023 | 00:37:22 | |
In this show we discuss how to support young people who are experiencing same-sex attraction or questioning their sexuality. We look at how to understand the young person's experience and how to respond when they come out to you. In the second half of the episode we look at how we disciple and offer ongoing support to young people who are struggling with their sexuality. Discussion questions
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| Series 11 Trailer: Friendship | 23 Jan 2025 | 00:00:56 | |
Friendship. We all need it, and it's especially valuable in making the single life plausible. But how do we do it well? How can we foster healthy intimacy in friendship? What example does Jesus give us? All this and more to come in our new podcast series - stay tuned! | |||
| Pastoral Support: The Wider Community feat. Tim Alford (Youth Leaders' Crash Course #4) | 03 Aug 2023 | 00:33:24 | |
We talk about how we as youth leaders can prepare ourselves and our churches to care for all young people, especially in the area of sexuality. We discusss the importance of modelling godly discipleship ourselves and creating an honest and safe culture for young people to share their struggles. We also look at how we can engage well with parents and church leaders, communicate sensitively and ensure that youth work is an integral part of the whole life of the church. This episode features a bonus interview with Tim Alford, National Director of Limitless, the youth and children’s movement of the Elim Pentecostal Churches. He is also youth leader at The Source Church in Malvern and a Youth Ministry Specialist Lecturer. Discussion questions
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| Teaching the Bible (Youth Leaders' Crash Course #3) | 20 Jul 2023 | 00:34:58 | |
In this show the team discuss how we can teach on biblical sexuality to our young people. We talk about the importance of painting the bigger picture of sexuality throughout Scripture and setting it in the context of God's heart for his people and the gospel which is good news for everyone. We discuss how to tackle the passages that specifically mention homosexuality and give some ideas of things to think about when teaching young people about sex. We also discuss lots of tricky questions that we've been asked and think about how to handle them in a clear, biblical and compassionate way. Discussion questions
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| Responding to Culture (Youth Leaders' Crash Course #2) | 06 Jul 2023 | 00:30:44 | |
In this show, we critique some of the commonly held cultural views such as 'I'm inherently good and know what’s best for me'; 'I won't be happy unless I embrace and act on my desires'; 'Love equals complete acceptance'; 'If something’s not hurting anyone, it can’t be wrong' and 'Porn is an expression of normal sexuality'. We think about ther kernels of truth underlying some of these ideas whilst highlighting the damage they've often caused and pointing to biblical truth as a better narrative. Discussion questions
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| Understanding Youth Culture feat. Mike Snowdon (Youth Leaders' Crash Course #1) | 22 Jun 2023 | 00:38:51 | |
The Emerging Generations team discuss the need to understand the culture that our young people are steeped in so that we can be more effective in communicating biblical truth about sexuality. We look at Jonathan Haidt's moral matrix to understand the values that shape our young peoples' moral decisions and see that they care about harm, fairness and freedom. We reflect on how we can listen well, find common ground and show how the Bible ultimately answers the questions that young people care about. Discussion questions
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| Misstep 9 - 'Suffering is to be avoided' (The Plausibility Problem #9) | 08 Jun 2023 | 00:33:32 | |
In the last of our current series – going through the missteps identified in The Plausibility Problem by Ed Shaw – we discuss whether suffering can and should be avoided. We share our own painful experiences and examine why some argue that the suffering of celibate same-sex attracted Christians is a reason to abandon traditional biblical teaching on sexual ethics. We go on to show that suffering is a normal part of following Jesus, whether you're gay or straight, single or married. We look at some of the reasons why God allows us to suffer and the joys and benefits that we receive precisely because we suffer. We also look at practical things that help us when we're struggling and ways that we can use our pain to love and serve others. Resources mentioned and related
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| Misstep 8 - 'Celibacy is bad for you' (The Plausibility Problem #8) | 25 May 2023 | 00:33:17 | |
Today we unpick some of the cultural assumptions about sex being a need which underpin the idea that celibacy is bad for you. We discuss the problems with the view that sex is the only form of intimacy, sex is just about pleasure and sexual expression is core to our identity. We examine some faulty interpretations of significant Bible passages on sexual desire and show that the Holy Spirit enables us to live fulfilled lives as celebate people who enjoy God, his people and his creation. Resources mentioned and related
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| Misstep 7 - 'Godliness is heterosexuality' (The Plausibility Problem #7) | 11 May 2023 | 00:33:09 | |
What is godliness and what does it look like for people who experience opposite-sex and same-sex attraction? That's the question we explore today. We also look at why the idea that godliness for a gay Christian means developing heterosexual desires is unhelpful and unbiblical. Resources mentioned and related
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| Misstep 6 - 'Men and women are equal and interchangeable' (The Plausibility Problem #6) | 27 Apr 2023 | 00:33:58 | |
In this episode we discuss how the Bible upholds the view that men and women have absolutely equal value and dignity, looking at how Jesus treated women and recognising the role that women played in his ministry and the growth of the early church. We also contrast Jesus' example of servant leadership with some of the power struggles in church and society today. We suggest how we can push back against gender stereotypes and promote body positivity to value the diverse experinces, interests and skills of both genders. We also discuss the genuine differences between women and men which mean that we aren't simply interchangeable, and look at how we can work in cooperation rather than competition with each other. Resources mentioned and related
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