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LIMINAL

Philip Javellana, Samantha Cherry, Dar Vanderbeck

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Frequency: 1 episode/100d. Total Eps: 18

The Value of Leadership is now LIMINAL. Explore the space between our greatest challenges and a better future. Dar Vanderbeck, Vice President of the Aspen Global Leadership Network is your host and guide to inquiry with thinkers and doers daring to lead through the big, systemic transitions we need for true transformation. This season, we’ll talk anti-racism, climate change, the future of work, and more. Join us as we explore leadership in the process of becoming.

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Inflection Point: Navigating the Now with Leaders of Impact | Youth Mental Health Crisis (Mini Season)

Season 3 · Episode 3

Friday, June 20, 2025 • Duration 22:21

Moderator:

John Damon: CEO, Canopy Children’s Solutions; Aspen Health Innovators Fellow

Panelists:

Mpadi Busisiwe Makgalo: Co-Founder and CEO, HEAL-SA; Africa Leadership Initiative - South Africa Fellow
Michelle Culver: Founder, The Rithm Project; Pahara Fellow

Related Resources:

This conversation was held at the 2024 Resnick Aspen Action Forum.

Explore other conversations from the Action Forum on leading through uncertainty, collaboration across difference, and more.

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Inflection Point: Navigating the Now with Leaders of Impact | AI and Power (Mini Season)

Season 3 · Episode 2

Thursday, May 29, 2025 • Duration 20:26

Related Resources:

Book: “The Executive’s Compass: Business and the Good Society” by James O’Toole
This conversation was held at the 2024 Resnick Aspen Action Forum. Explore other conversations from the Action Forum on leading through uncertainty, collaboration across difference, and more.

*Currently in a discovery phase, the Technology Leaders fellowship is a values-driven leadership initiative created by the Aspen Institute's Aspen Global Leadership Network for leaders in the field of technology and AI.

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What's your role in social change?

Season 1 · Episode 7

Thursday, September 23, 2021 • Duration 16:40

Disrupters. Weavers. Visionaries. Caregivers. Storytellers.

These are just a few of the roles that make up the "Social Change Ecosystem Map" - a tool that took social media by storm last summer as more people found their way into the racial justice movement. On this episode of the Value of Leadership, we’ll hear from the designer of the map: Deepa Iyer.

Deepa is a writer, activist, and movement builder. She designed the Social Ecosystem Map to help all kinds of individuals, networks, and organizations find roles in alignment with their values and unique skills and abilities that can be leveraged to create effective social change. Check out the map here on buildingmovement.org. And listen to this episode to learn to use this tool to discover - or re-discover - how you fit into the mosaic of change-making.

This conversation was originally recorded from the stage of the 2021 Resnick Aspen Action Forum and is moderated Adria Goodson, Pahara-Aspen Education Fellow and Director of the Ford Global Fellowship at the Ford Foundation.

To learn more about Deepa's work, check out her website and follow her on Instagram and Twitter @deepaiyer.

And if you enjoyed this conversation, check out others from the Resnick Aspen Action Forum on topics including trust building, overcoming polarization, collective leadership, and more on the Aspen Institute’s website.

Why are we so polarized?

Season 1 · Episode 8

Thursday, August 26, 2021 • Duration 19:41

A 2019 study by the Pew Research Center, surveyed Americans’ attitudes across 30 political values such as guns, race, climate, immigration, and foreign policy. The average gap between Democrats and Republicans on these hot button issues was 39 percentage points. And things don’t seem to be getting any better when it comes to finding common ground. In the summer of 2020, another study by Pew reported that 77% of Americans said the country was now more divided than before the COVID-19 pandemic began.

But division isn’t an issue solely owned by the United States. The rise in populism, old and new cultural conflicts, and economic hardships have all intensified polarization and conflict across the world. What led us to these deep divisions? Is it human nature or a product of systems we’ve created? How are social media and information echo chambers contributing?

One thing is clear - to solve our greatest challenges people need to work together across differences.

To discuss how we get there, we’re turning to experts on how people and communities transcend divides. Amanda Ripley is an investigative journalist and New York Times best-selling author. Her latest book High Conflict is an exploration of what happens when people get locked in seemingly intractable feuds and how they’ve broken free. Amanda is joined by Eric Liu, co-founder and CEO of Citizen University. He also directs the Aspen Institute’s Citizenship & American Identity Program: home to an initiative that trains people in how to have what they call: “better arguments.” To learn more about High Conflict and Amanda’s other work visit amandaripley.com and for more on the Better Arguments project, visit betterarguments.org.

This conversation comes from the stage at the Resnick Aspen Action Forum. It is moderated by Rima Maktabi, London Bureau Chief of Al Arabiya news, and Fellow of the Middle East Leadership Initiative - Over the past 20 years, Rima’s covered conflicts across the Middle East, making her no stranger to the topic of this dialogue.

Creating a Career of Impact: Walking Your Own Road

Season 1 · Episode 6

Saturday, May 22, 2021 • Duration 21:25

As the new Executive Director of the Aspen Institute’s Finance Leaders Fellowship, Kara Gustafson is mobilizing a global community of finance industry leaders for a journey that ignites their passion and directs their skills and talents toward solving some of society’s most complex challenges. Fellows include people like the CEO of S&P Dow Jones Indices, CFO of General Mills, a Managing Director at Morgan Stanley, the recently nominated Director of the CyberSecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency for the White House, and the Head of Enforcement at the New York Stock Exchange - just to name a few.

So, what does the finance industry - a sector often knocked for causing harm and distrust - and the leaders of it, have to do with catalyzing positive social change? Kara says: a lot. And she knows first hand what the potential is as a member of the founding team of Goldman Sachs’ corporate philanthropy work: A role she held for fifteen years that transformed the way the big banks made philanthropic investments. On this episode of the Value of Leadership, Kara shares what it was like to lead in this new movement that prioritized social return alongside financial return, and what continues to call her to this work.

You can learn more about the Finance Leaders Fellowship at agln.aspeninstitute.org/fellowships/financeleaders.

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Closing the Racial Wealth Gap: Relationships?

Season 1 · Episode 5

Friday, April 2, 2021 • Duration 28:48

The racial wealth gap in the United States is a wide and persistent gap between the median household income of different races – most greatly visible between Black and white households. The country’s history of systemic racism has weakened Black Americans’ ability to achieve economic security. With financial services systems and policies built to keep communities of color out, four Aspen Global Leadership Network Fellows are stepping up to find a way in. The key? Revitalizing Black-owned banks.

By bringing together their diverse expertise from across the legal, nonprofit, financial, and government sectors, Fellows Ashley Bell (Civil Society Fellow: a Partnership of ADL and the Aspen Institute), Yolanda Daniel (Finance Leaders Fellow), Lauren McCann (Civil Society Fellow), and Tishaura Jones (Rodel Fellow) collaborated to launch the National Black Bank Fund and Foundation (NBBF). At the center of their impact is their relationships: to one another and to other bold leaders who are literally putting their money where their mouths are when it comes to commitments made to center diversity and equity in business operations. The group was recently awarded by the Mastercard Center for Inclusive Growth and the Aspen Institute with an inaugural Global Inclusive Growth Spark Grant for their innovative work.

Listen to this episode of the Value of Leadership podcast to learn why nurturing Black-owned financial institutions is so closely aligned to the success of Black communities, how NBBF shepherded a $30 million deal with the NBA’s Atlanta Hawks, and what it takes to step into the arena and join the fight for racial justice in America. Learn more about the work of the National Black Bank Fund and Foundation at

Healing in the United States Part 2: Grace?

Season 1 · Episode 4

Saturday, November 28, 2020 • Duration 28:28

Many are now asking: what will it take to bring the country together? The Civil Society Fellowship - a partnership of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Aspen Institute - answers that question by engaging the next generation of community and civic leaders, activists, and problem-solvers across these divisions to build deeper relationships with one another and tackle pressing issues head-on.

In this special two-part episode of the Value of Leadership, we talk to two of those Fellows - Jenifer Sarver, Founder of Sarver Strategies in Austin, Texas, and Isaiah Oliver, President and CEO of the Community Foundation of Greater Flint in Michigan.

These are two leaders are engaged in very different work. They come from very different parts of the country and hold very different identities. Yet, they've built a relationship of respect and understanding.

We caught up with Jenifer and Isaiah after their week-long virtual retreat - called an UnSeminar - with their Civil Society Fellowship class, named “Mission: Redemption”, and a digital town hall where they engaged with community leaders from across the United States. During the UnSeminar, the Fellows reflected on readings and speeches from leaders of past and present like Martin Luther King Jr. and President Dwight Eisenhower. The experience prompted them to further explore their personal roles in creating a more civil society today.

In part two of this conversation, where we talk about how exercising grace and leveraging one’s individual power - at any level - can aid in reconciliation to create a better country for all Americans.

Healing in the United States Part 1: Wonder?

Season 1 · Episode 3

Saturday, November 28, 2020 • Duration 27:49

In part one of this conversation, Jenifer and Isaiah reflect on discovering their commonalities and how lessons from their experience could be a model for how other Americans can find common truth.

Breakdown of the Social Contract: Resilience?

Season 1 · Episode 2

Saturday, October 24, 2020 • Duration 38:47

A tragic explosion. Economic collapse. COVID-19. A revolution. Some of the latest challenges in Lebanon – a country wracked by decades of them – serve as a poignant reminder that we each have a role to play to ensure our leaders lead well, that our citizens stay engaged, and that we don’t get too comfortable in our own leadership while our world is falling apart.

In this episode, listen in on a dialogue with poignant and honest reflections from Aspen Global Leadership Network Fellows in Lebanon on their experience living through the compounding crises the country is experiencing. The Fellows’ share reflections on their roles, leadership, and failures up to these latest challenges, as well as how they’re moving forward.

As we all try to navigate roles in an increasingly unstable and uncertain world – where fundamental decisions are being taken every day by governments and stakeholders that shape our systems and our lives – these insights are all the more relevant regardless of where you live.

This conversation features Chadia El Meouchi Naoum, co-founder of the Middle East Leadership Initiative and Managing Partner, Badri and Salim El Meouchi Law Firm, Walid Maalouf, co-founder of the Lebanese Food Bank, Rima Maktabi, journalist and Bureau Chief in London at Al Arabiya, and Ramez Shehadi, managing director for the MENA region at Facebook. It is moderated by Stace Lindsay, president of Fusion Venture Partners and Aspen Institute moderator.

More on the Featured Fellows:

Chadia El Meouchi Naoum, is co-founder of the Middle East Leadership Initiative and Managing Partner, Badri and Salim El Meouchi Law Firm. The explosion in Beirut’s port on August 4 altered her life. Her husband suffered a severe cranial injury, her children still struggle with trauma, and their home was completely destroyed. Since the blast, Chadia has been struggling with her role and responsibility in the situation that led to that fatal day, with her decisions that led to her family’s suffering, with the meaning of resilience and collaboration in leadership, and with how to find hope and strength to rebuild in an uncertain, violent, and chaotic environment. Chadia is a 2008 Henry Crown Fellow.

The Future of Voting: Trust?

Season 1 · Episode 1

Friday, October 23, 2020 • Duration 15:34

In the height of the 2020 U.S. election cycle, election security has been dominating the headlines. Our public institutions are being put to the test, trust in the voting process has waivered. This begs the question… how do we make elections free and fair, and in the midst of a pandemic, safe? And who are the types of leaders we need guiding our voting system.

In this episode we talk with Central America Leadership Initiative Fellow Jorge Garcia. He is a tech innovator and entrepreneur. He’s co-Founder & CTO of Iconic an app Development & Design studio that works with Fortune 500 companies and startups alike creating apps loved by millions of users across the globe. Now, he’s working on a new venture called Ballotted, a simple, secure, fully auditable, legally defensible e-voting platform that people can trust. And we need that now more than ever.

Today, he shares the story behind creating this app, his thoughts on leadership and how activating his own values has influenced his actions – especially in the face of unique challenges that come with operating in the political space.

More on Jorge Garcia

Jorge started thinking about Ballotted after creating with some of his friends a crowdsourced auditing platform named VotoSocial.org for the contested 2013 Honduras elections for which he won the prestigious MIT Technology Review Innovators under 35 award. Jorge has been featured in Forbes, is member of the Young Entrepreneurs Council and member of the Latino Business Action Network. He holds a B.Eng. in Computer Systems from UNITEC, Honduras and a M.Sc. in Intelligent Systems Design from Chalmers, Sweden. Jorge is a class 2016 CALI Fellow and member of the Aspen Global Leadership Network at the Aspen Institute.

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