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Candid debate between Christians on empathy, truth, and love in politics and culture.

Is empathy being weaponized or is the church failing to show it? If you care about faith, culture, and hard conversations Christians are afraid to have, subscribe for more.

This is a respectful but pointed dialogue between believers wrestling with one central tension: should Christians lead with empathy, or has empathy become a Trojan horse that compromises truth and produces harmful policy?

I argue that modern Christianity has over-indexed on empathy at the expense of truth and biblical love leading Christians to validate lies, tolerate sin, and support destructive policies in areas like abortion, immigration, and gender ideology. Jonas pushes back, arguing that the church has failed to model godly empathy, leaving space for secular movements to claim moral authority and attract people who genuinely care about suffering and injustice.

Key Topics

• What “toxic empathy” is and how it shapes modern policy

• Empathy vs biblical love (grace + truth)

• Immigration, enforcement, and unintended harm

• Why empathy can lead to destructive laws

• Abortion, moral consistency, and unseen victims

• Free will, responsibility, and justice

• Tolerance vs love in Christian ethics

• When harsh language is appropriate — and when it crosses the line

• Jesus’ model: compassion without affirmation of sin

• Why many Christians justify voting for harmful platforms

• The church’s failure to lead with both conviction and care

Chapters

0:00 — Intro

1:10 — Introducing Jonas and framing the empathy debate

3:42 — Clarifying terms: what do we actually mean by empathy

5:22 — Empathy as feeling vs biblical love (grace + truth)

7:25 — Toxic empathy: validating lies, affirming sin, supporting bad policy

9:39 — Why empathetic people drift left politically

12:57 — Celebrating justice while ignoring human cost

15:02 — How empathy-driven policy creates harm

17:07 — Being harsh toward ideas vs demeaning people

19:47 — Gender ideology and the fear of speaking truth

22:52 — Abortion as a policy outcome of misplaced empathy

24:03 — Gender transitions, open borders, and emotional reasoning

26:47 — Two types of pro-life witness outside abortion clinics

31:04 — Why empathetic Christians feel politically homeless

32:16 — Christianity vs Republican identity

34:42 — Has the stereotype flipped

36:06 — Empathy as a Trojan horse in the church

38:49 — Algorithms, perception, and political extremes

39:46 — Why empathy is a cheap substitute for love

40:04 — Jesus’ model: compassion without affirmation

41:44 — Don’t lose truth in the name of empathy

42:15 — Weeping with those who weep even under judgment

44:02 — Humor, echo chambers, and loving people well

45:22 — Has the church been too passive with truth

46:09 — Final reflections: grace, truth, and courage

47:04 — Closing remarks

Candid debate between Christians: is it okay for Christians to vote Democrat? If you value this kind of content (faith, politics, and culture) — subscribe for more.

This is a respectful debate between believers, but does get very pointed (as it should). It centers on life of unborn, free will, and whether there are moral red lines that should disqualify a political party from a Christian’s support.

I argue that certain issues, especially the sanctity of life, are non-negotiable for Christians ... and the modern Democrat platform / agenda has crossed the line. Pat pushes back by emphasizing personal conscience, complexity, and the limits of enforcing moral beliefs while arguing the Democrat agenda has pros that outweigh the cons.

This episode is about clarifying convictions, exposing assumptions, and asking what faithfulness to Christ looks like in a divided culture.

Key Topics

• Should abortion be a voting disqualifier for Christians

• Personal conviction versus political enforcement

• Free will and moral responsibility

• Sanctity of life inside and outside the womb

• Whether moral beliefs should be imposed through law

• Party platforms versus individual conscience

• Comparing moral red lines across history

• Faith based voting in a two party system

Chapters00:00:00 The central question should Christians vote Democrat

00:01:10 Introducing Pat and setting the debate

00:03:05 Is abortion enough to disqualify a party

00:06:20 Personal belief versus public policy

00:09:10 Free will and the right to choose

00:12:45 Life in the womb and moral consistency

00:16:30 Should the law protect unborn life

00:20:10 Healthcare or moral harm

00:24:05 Adoption and support alternatives

00:28:40 Is there a red line for sanctity of life

00:33:10 Comparing abortion to other moral crises

00:38:20 Gun violence and moral calculus

00:43:55 Values versus policy disagreements

00:49:30 Party platforms and moral responsibility

00:54:10 Can Christians support imperfect systems

00:58:40 Final reflections on conscience and faith

01:03:00 Closing thoughts and takeaways

I thought I was doing great as a dad and husband — I was present, I provided, I cared deeply. But here’s the truth: I wasn’t actually leading my family well.

I brought vision, strategy, and energy into my work… but not into my home. That all changed when I discovered a different model for family leadership — one that’s been practiced for thousands of years but almost forgotten today.

This isn’t just about parenting. It’s about leadership. And it’s about the most important team you’ll ever lead: your family.

In this episode, I share 3 paradigm shifts that will change how you think about your role as a father and leader:

• Why the “nest” model of family is broken — and how to embrace the “team” model

• Why seeing your kids as “liabilities” robs them of identity — and how to raise them as valuable contributors

• Why fathers aren’t called to be passive babysitters — but visionary coaches who develop talent, build culture, and cast vision

You’ll walk away with practical steps to start leading your family with purpose and clarity.

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Episode #64

I met the (former) U.S. President. On a plane. In coach. What he said to me, I'll never forget. The BIG IDEA: the best leaders are more concerned with being interestED than being interestING.

3 Lessons on what the most winsome leaders do to show genuine interest in and inspire others.

1) They ask real questions (and mean them)

2) They listen with their ****

3) They assume ******** has something to ***** them

episode # 63

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Dallas Clement is President & CFO at Cox Enterprises, a $23 Billion company with 50,000 employees.

In this episode, you'll learn:

→ the value of asking questions and putting yourself out there

→ why you should have an elevator pitch for your career (and what a good one sounds like)

→ what it looks like to find purpose in the journey and not just the destination.

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Blake shares some of his personal story you might not know about, and talks about why you should prioritize building assets outside your day job – with 3 examples.

Head to blakebozarth.com to get the Net Worth Newsletter + updates about free live sessions.

In this episode hosts, Blake Bozarth and Chad Pyke chat with Amanda Lannert, CEO of Jellyvision, a fascinating tech leader known for her charismatic leadership style and humble approach. They discuss the importance of confidence and the role of 'helpfulness' in building a strong network. Amanda shares her experiences, describing how she became the CEO unexpectedly and the importance of fostering an 'abundant mentality' within your team.
In this episode, you'll learn:
→ Why you should choose to be the CEO you wish you had
→ Confidence vs. Competence: which is more important?
→ Why it's not about what you know but what you can figure out
→ The art of building your network
At CoThryve, we help companies find, develop, and keep difference maker talent. Visit all pertinent links at: cothryve.co/links.

This is one of the craziest business stories you'll ever hear. Blake and Chad host Alan Barnhart, the CEO of Barnhart Crane.

Well over 30 years ago, Alan implemented a self-imposed, extremely conservative limitation on his own income – he's maintained this limitation while giving away millions in profits every year. 

Barnhart Crane went from a small mom and pop business to a $600M revenue company with nearly 2,000 employees. Last year alone, they gave away $35M to help people all over the globe.

In this episode, you'll learn:

→ The power of generosity and faith-driven leadership

→ What it looks like to be a "steward" as a business owner

→ Why PEOPLE are the real product and how to invest in life change as a leader in your organization

→ Why work is not just a necessary evil, and how to shift your team's thinking on the goodness of workAt CoThryve, we help companies find, develop, and keep difference maker talent.

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In this episode, hosts Blake Bozarth and Chad Pyke feature Devan Kline, co-founder and CEO of Burn Bootcamp.

Devan shares his life story from abandonment by his parents to running a company with 384 franchises. A key part of his approach involves a decision-making system that includes the '65 percent rule' to avoid analysis paralysis, envisioning two chairs to represent his franchisees and members when making major decisions, and a well-honed skill of asking questions. 

Devan elaborates on the importance of getting small wins during big changes, and the courage to trust and empower employees to build stronger teams. He teases future ambitions with the company, revealing the 'to the moon' theme inspired by Elon Musk.
00:16 Intro & Nuggets to look for
02:11 Interview with Devin Kline
02:31 Devin's Career Journey and Entrepreneurial Spirit
05:21 Devin's Decision Making Process
09:39 The Importance of Trust in Leadership
12:07 The Role of Questions in Decision Making
15:35 The Impact of Empowerment in Leadership
19:39 The Process of Making Big Decisions
23:58 The Importance of Small Wins in Change Management
39:33 Closing Thoughts and Future Goals

At CoThryve, we help companies find, develop, and keep difference maker talent. Visit all pertinent links at: cothryve.co/links.

We all know the importance of being "customer centric" ... so why is it so easy for people to lose sight of where the money changes hands and what can we do about it as leaders? 

Our featured guest is Barry Mainz, CEO of Forescout Technologies, a cyber security leader with over 1,000 employees.In this episode, you'll learn:

→ Why you can't manage your way to greatness but can HIRE your way to greatness

→ What pace of the change looks like and the skills necessary to flourish in today's world

→ Why the best leaders are not the smartest in the room – they're the best learners

→ How to navigate multiple generations in the workforce and considerations for leading Gen Z

→ Barry's journey from sales leader to CEO and the steps necessary to get there

At CoThryve, we help companies find, develop, and keep difference maker talent. Visit all pertinent links at: cothryve.co/links.