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Home to Her

Home to Her

Liz Kelly

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Frequency: 1 episode/18d. Total Eps: 101

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The Home to Her podcast is dedicated to elevating ancient feminine wisdom via the exploration of herstory, mythology, philosophy and more. Join host Liz Childs Kelly for intimate conversations with acclaimed authors, artists, teachers, poets and mystics, each of whom will help us uncover our unheard stories and reclaim the roots of the ancient female power in our own lives.
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The Mystery Tradition of Miraculous Conception with Dr. Marguerite Rigoglioso

Episode 94

dimanche 4 août 2024Duration 01:02:32

What if virgin birth isn't simply a story, but a real and documented ancient phenomenon? This is the topic I explore in the latest episode with my guest today, Dr. Marguerite Rigoglioso. Marguerite is the founder of Seven Sisters Mystery School, a world-renowned teacher of sacred knowledge, and the foremost authority on the history of virgin birth. A trusted mentor to people on healing and spiritual paths, she draws on her decades-long research and experiences with Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene to help uncover their hidden, timeless teachings and apply them to our present-day needs. The award-winning author of several books including "The Secret Life of Mother Mary: Divine Feminine Power for Personal Healing and Planetary Awakening," and "The Mystery Tradition of Miraculous Conception: Mary and the Lineage of Virgin Births."

In this episode we discuss:

  • Marguerite's introduction to the Sacred Feminine, first through her interest in Mary Magdalene during her upbringing in the Catholic Church, and later through classes and Goddess pilgrimages which eventually led her to academia
  • Marguerite's research into the history of virgin and divine births in Ancient Greece, and how this eventually led her to studying the story and history of Mary's birth of Jesus
  • Why the practice of virgin birth existed and how it was practiced by divine priestesses
  • The work of the late Sri Kaleshwar and his teachings on the holy womb chakra
  • Why Marguerite feels this information is coming to the forefront of consciousness at this moment in time

Notes related to this episode:

  • You can learn more about Marguerite and her work at www.sevensistersmysteryschool, and follow her on social media: facebook.com/sevensistersmysteryschool and instagram.com/margueriterigoglioso
  • Register now for Marguerite's Free Masterclass: What’s a ‘Mary’ Priestess? What’s a ‘Magdalene’ Priestess? And is This a Path for YOU? https://www.sevensistersmysteryschool.com/mary-magdalene-priestess-training/#masterclass
  • And find out more about her Mary & Magdalene Priestess Training: https://www.sevensistersmysteryschool.com/mary-magdalene-priestess-training/
  • Marguerite mentioned several people's work including the channelers Sanaya Roman and Barbara Brennan, Greta Bro and the late Carol P. Christ, Anna Maria Corredini and Drunvalo Melchizedek and the book "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life"
  • She also spoke of the books of Claire Heartsong, including "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" and "Anna, Voice of the Magdalenes"
  • We also discussed the teachings of the late Sri Kaleshwar and the Divine Mother Center in Laytonville, California

And here are a few more details about this show and my work:

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here: https://native-land.ca/
  • You can also visit the Coalition of Natives and Allies for more helpful educational resources about Indigenous rights and history.
  • Please – if you love this podcast and/or have read my book, please consider leaving me a review, and thank you for supporting my work!
  • You can also access video episodes on the Home to Her YouTube channel
  • For more Sacred Feminine goodness and to stay up to date on all episodes, please follow me on Instagram: @hometoher.
  • To dive into conversation about the Sacred Feminine, join the Facebook group: / hometoher
  • To go deeper in your Sacred Feminine explorations, check out the course offerings via Home to Her Academy: www.hometoheracademy.com
  • And to read about the Sacred Feminine, check out my award-winning book Home to Her: Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine (Womancraft Publishing), available on Audible and wherever you buy your books!. If you've read it, your reviews on Goodreads and Amazon are greatly...

Feral Church with Byron Ballard

Episode 93

vendredi 5 juillet 2024Duration 01:02:20

My latest guest, H. Byron Ballard, joins me on this episode for her second visit to the Home to Her podcast. Byron is a ritualist, teacher, gardener, and author of multiple books, including "Staubs and Ditchwater: A Friendly and Useful Introduction to Hillfolks’ Hoodoo;" "Earthworks: Ceremonies in Tower Time;" "Seasons of a Magical Life;" and the forthcoming "Feral Church." Known as Asheville, North Carolina’s village witch, Byron specializes in folk magic and folkways of the surrounding Appalachian Mountains where she and her family have hailed from for four generations. Byron is also a senior priestess and co-founder of the Mother Grove Goddess Temple, a nonprofit church with a focus on the many forms of the divine feminine.

On this episode we discuss:

  • What it means to live in deep relationship to place - both the gifts and the challenges
  • How the work and the death of the late thealogian Dr. Carol P. Christ inspired Byron's forthcoming book, Feral Church, and why she feels it's so important that we have new books of thealogy (spelling intentional) that celebrate the Goddess
  • Why it's important that we understand that the Goddess and her many incarnations represent much more than patriarchally lauded values such as softness and femininity, but also ferocity and immense power.
  • The linkage between the concept of begin feral and the Divine Feminine.
  • The need for "hearth church" and other homegrown, emergent practices for engaging with the sacred that can continue to exist and flourish as patriarchal systems crumble around us

Notes related to this episode:


And here are a few more details about this show and my work:

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here:

The Paradox of the Goddess with Damascena Tanis

Episode 84

mardi 26 décembre 2023Duration 01:20:27

When we begin to learn about the Sacred Feminine, many of us quickly realize that She is much more than we have imagined Her to be - and that Her nature is fundamentally contradictory. As Damascena Tanis, my guest for this episode, says, to work with the Goddess is to be repeatedly invited into paradox. Damascena is a writer, astrologer, and a recently bereaved mother, living on the shores of Lake Erie with three earth bound children. She is currently learning how to be the mother of a child who has journeyed beyond the veil. She is also the Founder of the Planetary Priestess Mystery School, devoted to Venus.

In this episode, we discuss the paradox of the Goddess, as well as:

  • Damascena's spiritual awakening as a pregnant 15-year-old, and what it taught her about the Sacred Feminine
  • How living in Palestine as a young mother initiated her into a deeper understanding of the feminine
  • Damascena's work as an archetypal astrologer, and why she thinks it's important to explore what she considers the dimension beyond archetypes
  • The Venus cycle, its connection to the myth of the Inanna, and how it can guide our own inner journey of self-discovery
  • The lessons offered by deep grief, which Damascena experienced through the death of her son
  • Understanding the current conflict in Gaza through the lens of astrology

Show Notes 


Here are a few of the resources we discussed during this episode:


Related Episodes:

  • Embodying the Divine Feminine with Ariel Spilsbury:

Fostering Intersectionality: A Panel Discussion

Episode 83

mardi 12 décembre 2023Duration 01:04:46

What does it mean to foster intersectionality in traditions that honor the Sacred Feminine? How do we make space for the differences we find in each other in spiritual community, and also within ourselves? This rich inquiry was the subject of a panel discussion presented at the Parliament of the World's Religions in August 2023, and on today's episode, all five panelists reconvene to provide an overview of our presentation and our experiences at the Parliament.

This episode includes a conversation between Home to Her podcast host Liz Childs Kelly; pagan priestess Gina Martin; Creatrix of the Goddess Ministry Lettie Sullivan; Divine Feminine App Founder Caryn MacGrandle; and Mambo and Iyanifa Marie Nazon.

This episode includes:

  • An overview of each our backgrounds in terms of race, ethnicity, class and spirituality/religion, and how they've shaped each of us
  • Discussion of what intersectionality means to each of us, and our experiences exploring this at the Parliament
  • Our process of working together, and its relevance to holding space for intersectionality overall - and how that process has also continued to shape our relationships and how we show up in the world
  • The importance of nervous systems regulation in intersectional work, exploring the differences between edges and boundaries, and much more
  • PLUS a special closing song offered by Gina Martin 

Show Notes 

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here: https://native-land.ca/
  • You can also visit the Coalition of Natives and Allies for more helpful educational resources about Indigenous rights and history.
  • Please – if you love this podcast and/or have read my book, please consider leaving me a review, and thank you for supporting my work!
  • You can watch this and other podcast episodes at the Home to Her YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@hometoher

Here's how to learn more about each of my guests today: 


And here are a couple of resources that were mentioned:


For more Sacred Feminine goodness and to stay up to date on all episodes, please follow me on Instagram: @hometoher.

To dive into conversation about the Sacred Feminine, join the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/hometoher 

To go deeper in your Sacred Feminine explorations, check out the course offerings via Home to Her Academy: www.hometoheracademy.com 

And to read about the Sacred Feminine, check out my award-winning book Home to Her: Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine (Womancraft Publishing), available wherever you buy your...

The She that Survived with Marie Nazon

Episode 82

lundi 27 novembre 2023Duration 01:08:08

My guest for this episode is Dr. Marie Nazon, an initiated Mambo in the Vodun tradition of Haiti, a Priestess in the Yoruba tradition of Ifa, a clinical social worker with more than 30 years of experience, and professor emeritus with the City College of New York. Marie is also a returned Peace Corps Volunteer and former Fulbright Scholar in Senegal, and has led study abroad and international service learning courses in Africa and the Caribbean. She served on the executive committee of UNBUTU RISE, Revivers of Indigenous spirituality and Ecosystem; has been a member of Kunsi Keya Tamakoce, a Lakota sweat lodge/Sundance community in the United States for more than 20 years; is a Reiki Master;  a graduate of Priestess Practicum of Triple Spiral of Dun na Sidhe, and Alisa Starkweather's Priestess Path experience.

On this episode, we explore:

  • The thru-line of the Divine Feminine that Marie has seen and experienced through her many initiations
  • How her spiritual practice has literally saved her life
  • The misrepresentations so many of us have been exposed to related to Vodun and African spirituality, and why it's important to name them as such
  • Marie's secret Vodun family lineage and how she came to learn of it
  • Why she thinks the Goddess is not returning, but is already here
  • And so much more! 

Show Notes

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here: https://native-land.ca/
  • You can also visit the Coalition of Natives and Allies for more helpful educational resources about Indigenous rights and history.
  • Please check out Home to Her Academy, my school dedicated to seekers of Sacred Feminine wisdom! www.hometoheracademy.com.   And while you're there, don't forget to sign up for my newsletter to stay up to date with upcoming classes.
  • My book, “Home to Her: Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine,” is available from Womancraft Publishing! To learn more, read endorsements and purchase, please visit  https://womancraftpublishing.com/product/home-to-her/. It is also available for sale via Amazon, Bookshop.org, and you can order it from your favorite local bookstore, too.
  • Please – if you love this podcast and/or have read my book, please consider leaving me a review! For the podcast, reviews on iTunes are extremely helpful, and for the book, reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are equally helpful. Thank you for supporting my work!
  • You can watch this and other podcast episodes at the Home to Her YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@hometoher
  • Follow me on Instagram @hometoher; Join the Home to Her group on Facebook; or contact me via www.hometoher.com
  • You can learn more about Marie and her work at her website: www.marienazon.com. You can also follow her on Instagram @marieayiti.
  • Marie mentioned the movie Crazy Wise: https://crazywisefilm.com/watch-the-film/

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Artemis: A Goddess for Our Times with Carla Ionescu

Episode 81

lundi 13 novembre 2023Duration 01:06:51

When we spend time with the herstorical record of the Sacred Feminine, we might be surprised to find that some of the most well-known Goddesses are far more complex than we've been told. Such is the case with the Greek Goddess Artemis, who is the subject of my discussion with this episode's guest, Dr. Carla Ionescu. Carla’s research centers on the influential nature of Artemis across Anatolia, the Mediterranean and the Balkans. As one of the leading experts in the worship and ritual of the Goddess Artemis, Dr. Ionescu spends most of her time teaching in the field of Ancient History and Women’s Studies, and/or applying for grants to support her research travels. In the summers she scavenges new locations and cities worldwide, digging through the remains of grave sites, ruins, and abandoned buildings, trying to uncover the long-lost mystery that is Artemis, The Great Mother. She is also the author of the book, She Who Hunts: Artemis – the Goddess Who Changed the World.

On this episode, we discuss:

  • Carla's ongoing spiritual journey, and why it's only been fairly recently that she's begun identifying as a pagan and Goddess worshipper
  • Her evolving relationship with Artemis, and how it spans research, academia, and more mystical experiences
  • The challenge of deeply exploring the spiritual nature of the Sacred Feminine within the confines of academic institutions
  • The unknown and more complicated aspects of Artemis - and why this complexity is exactly what we need right now

Show Notes 

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here: https://native-land.ca/
  • You can also visit the Coalition of Natives and Allies for more helpful educational resources about Indigenous rights and history.
  • Please check out Home to Her Academy, my school dedicated to seekers of Sacred Feminine wisdom! www.hometoheracademy.com.   And while you're there, don't forget to sign up for my newsletter to stay up to date with upcoming classes.
  • My book, “Home to Her: Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine,” is available from Womancraft Publishing! To learn more, read endorsements and purchase, please visit  https://womancraftpublishing.com/product/home-to-her/. It is also available for sale via Amazon, Bookshop.org, and you can order it from your favorite local bookstore, too.
  • Please – if you love this podcast and/or have read my book, please consider leaving me a review! For the podcast, reviews on iTunes are extremely helpful, and for the book, reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are equally helpful. Thank you for supporting my work!
  • You can watch this and other podcast episodes at the Home to Her YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@hometoher
  • You can learn more about Carla at her website: www.artemisresearchcentre.com. You can also find her on social media @artemisexpert, and at The Goddess Project podcast
  • Carla mentioned the story of the nymph Callisto and Artemis. You can read more about this encounter here: https://madelinemiller.com/myth-of-the-week-callisto/
  • She also mentioned the...

Death and the Divine Feminine with Rev. Angie Buchanan

Episode 80

samedi 28 octobre 2023Duration 01:14:44

On this episode I'm joined by Reverend Angie Buchanan, Founder and Spiritual Director of Earth Traditions, a Pagan church, and of Gaia's Womb, an interfaith spirituality group that has been producing spiritual retreats for women since 1998. Angie is a life-long pagan, an animist, and has been an experienced magical worker and ritualist for over 40 years. She served on the Board of Trustees for the Parliament of World Religions from 2002 – 2010, offering programs internationally at convenings in Barcelona, Melbourne, and Toronto, and nationally in Salt Lake City and Chicago. Rev. Buchanan is currently a Spiritual Advisor for Pagan students at the University of Chicago, Campus Ministry, and a Certified Death Midwife.

During this episode we discussed:

  • Angie’s experience growing up in a pagan, animistic household, and how it gave her a grounding in the Sacred Feminine from an early age
  • How she relates to the Sacred Feminine via archetypes as opposed to through specific deities
  • Why she views birth and death as the two most important human rites of passage, as well as the similarities between them and how the Divine Feminine intertwines with both
  • Angie’s own practices for honoring the dead
  • Why she feels strongly that the “veils” between the living and dead are thinner at certain times of year, such as Samhain and Beltaine

Show Notes 

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here: https://native-land.ca/
  • You can also visit the Coalition of Natives and Allies for more helpful educational resources about Indigenous rights and history.
  • Please check out my latest course offering! Returning to the Well: Sacred Feminine Wisdom  for Your Motherhood Journey, begins Sunday, October 29! This 5-week online course explores the divine journey of motherhood and what it means to parent in partnership with the Sacred Feminine,  and is offered via Home to Her Academy, a school dedicated to seekers of Sacred Feminine wisdom! Learn more and register here: https://www.hometoheracademy.com/course/returning-to-the-well.   And while you're there, don't forget to sign up for my newsletter to stay up to date with upcoming classes.
  • My book, “Home to Her: Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine,” is available from Womancraft Publishing! To learn more, read endorsements and purchase, please visit  https://womancraftpublishing.com/product/home-to-her/. It is also available for sale via Amazon, Bookshop.org, and you can order it from your favorite local bookstore, too.
  • Please – if you love this podcast and/or have read my book, please consider leaving me a review! For the podcast, reviews on iTunes are extremely helpful, and for the book, reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are equally helpful. Thank you for supporting my work!
  • You can watch this and other podcast episodes at the Home to Her YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@hometoher
  • Got feedback about this episode or others you've heard? Please reach out on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/hometoher/ ), Facebook  (https://www.facebook.com/hometoher)
  • You can learn more about Angie and her work at the...

Rewriting Eve with Ronna Detrick

Episode 79

samedi 14 octobre 2023Duration 01:12:16

If we exit a repressive faith tradition, does that mean we have to leave all the related stories behind? According to Ronna Detrick, my latest podcast guest, the answer is no - and in fact, there may be very good reasons why we shouldn't. Ronna is the author of the new book "Rewriting Eve: Rescuing Women's Stories from the Bible and Reclaiming Them as Our Own,"and while she left the church and religion nearly twenty years ago, she took the stories of women with her. Her career has included human resources, training, and executive leadership, but these days, she is a spiritual director, coach, speaker, and writer. In addition to her book, she also gave a provocative TEDx talk on an Eve who inspires and empowers women instead of shaming and silencing them.

On the latest episode we discuss:

* How Ronna's experience in seminary ultimately led to the end of her marriage and her decision to leave the Christian church

* Why she feels strongly that the deepest connection we can have to Divinity is the one we find within ourselves

* Why, as she says, it's important not to leave the stories of Biblical women behind, especially considering how they've been misinterpreted by patriarchal institutions

* The secret power and messages inherent in the Biblical story of Eve, as well as the stories of other Biblical women

Show Notes

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here: https://native-land.ca/
  • You can also visit the Coalition of Natives and Allies for more helpful educational resources about Indigenous rights and history.
  • Please check out my latest course offering! Returning to the Well: Sacred Feminine Wisdom  for Your Motherhood Journey, begins Sunday, October 29! This 5-week online course explores the divine journey of motherhood and what it means to parent in partnership with the Sacred Feminine,  and is offered via Home to Her Academy, a school dedicated to seekers of Sacred Feminine wisdom! Learn more and register here: https://www.hometoheracademy.com/course/returning-to-the-well.   And while you're there, don't forget to sign up for my newsletter to stay up to date with upcoming classes.
  • My book, “Home to Her: Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine,” is available from Womancraft Publishing! To learn more, read endorsements and purchase, please visit  https://womancraftpublishing.com/product/home-to-her/. It is also available for sale via Amazon, Bookshop.org, and you can order it from your favorite local bookstore, too.
  • Please – if you love this podcast and/or have read my book, please consider leaving me a review! For the podcast, reviews on iTunes are extremely helpful, and for the book, reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are equally helpful. Thank you for supporting my work!
  • You can watch this and other podcast episodes at the Home to Her YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@hometoher
  • Got feedback about this episode or others you've heard? Please reach out on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/hometoher/ ), Facebook  (https://www.facebook.com/hometoher)
  • You can learn more about Ronna, her book and her work, plus watch her TED Talk, at her website:

The Tangible Divine with Kay Louise Aldred

Episode 78

vendredi 29 septembre 2023Duration 01:08:59

How do we locate divinity within our own bodies, and within the ordinariness of our lived experiences? On the latest episode I explore this topic with Kay Louise Aldred, a researcher, writer, and teacher who catalyzes individual, institutional, and collective evolution through education, embodiment, and creativity (and not to worry, we break this all down in this episode).  Kay is the author of several books, all published by Girl God Books: "Mentorship with Goddess: Growing Sacred Womanhood;" "Making Love with the Divine: Sacred ,Ecstatic, Erotic Experiences;" "Somatic Shamanism: Your Fleshy Knowing and the Tree of Life;" and "Embodied Education: Creating Safe Space for Learning, Facilitating, and Sharing."

On this episode we discuss:

  • The nature of Kay's work, and why she's passionate about using cognition, intuition, and instinct to access deeper, more holistic wisdom
  • The importance of turning toward the wisdom of the heart when in doubt or confusion
  • Kay's long journey out of mind-based religion and into a spirituality that fuses mind, body and and spirit
  • What "tangible divinity" means, and why it matters
  • How we can make love with the divine through a variety of "ordinary" experiences available to all of us
  • And much more!

Show Notes

  • If you’d like to know whose ancestral tribal lands you currently reside on, you can look up your address here: https://native-land.ca/
  • You can also visit the Coalition of Natives and Allies for more helpful educational resources about Indigenous rights and history.
  • Please check out my latest course offering! Returning to the Well: Sacred Feminine Wisdom  for Your Motherhood Journey, begins Sunday, October 29! This 5-week online course explores the divine journey of motherhood and what it means to parent in partnership with the Sacred Feminine,  and is offered via Home to Her Academy, a school dedicated to seekers of Sacred Feminine wisdom! Learn more and register here: https://www.hometoheracademy.com/course/returning-to-the-well.   And while you're there, don't forget to sign up for my newsletter to stay up to date with upcoming classes.
  • My book, “Home to Her: Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine,” is available from Womancraft Publishing! To learn more, read endorsements and purchase, please visit  https://womancraftpublishing.com/product/home-to-her/. It is also available for sale via Amazon, Bookshop.org, and you can order it from your favorite local bookstore, too.
  • Please – if you love this podcast and/or have read my book, please consider leaving me a review! For the podcast, reviews on iTunes are extremely helpful, and for the book, reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are equally helpful. Thank you for supporting my work!
  • You can watch this and other podcast episodes at the Home to Her YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@hometoher
  • Got feedback about this episode or others you've heard? Please reach out on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/hometoher/ ), Facebook  (https://www.facebook.com/hometoher)
  • You can follow Kay on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Instagram @kaylouisealdred. You can learn more about her books at Girl God Books:  

Multiplicities of Magic with Risa Dickens and Amy Torok

Episode 77

jeudi 14 septembre 2023Duration 01:16:57

The witches are back! On the latest episode I'm joined again by Risa Dickens and Amy Torok, who first appeared on the show in 2021. They're back this time to discuss their latest book, "New Moon Magic: 13 Anti-Capitalist Tools for Resistance and Re-Enchantment."  Risa and Amy are also the co-authors of “Missing Witches: Reclaiming True Histories of Feminist Magic”, both from North Atlantic Books, and the co-hosts of the podcast Missing Witches.

On the latest episode we explore:

  • The nature of sacred activism and the constantly flowing journey between personal evolution and its outward expression in the world
  • The importance of holding multiplicities and paradox, and how this work is essential to witchcraft
  • Why differences shouldn't divide us but rather invite us to expand
  • Risa and Amy's process for collaborating and writing their books together - and in doing so, how they've joined a lineage of powerful women who write together
  • Our shared loved of dirt, and why it's much more than a metaphor for both the medicine we need AND what's ailing us

Show Notes 


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