Telegram’s founder, Pavel Durov, was arrested in France and charged with several crimes connected to his operation of the platform. We’ll tell you what the charges against him mean for the internet. Then Gov. Kathy Hochul, Democrat of New York, joins us to discuss why she wants to ban phones statewide in public schools. And finally, Kevin has been using secret codes to try to change what A.I. chatbots think of him. We get to the bottom of whether it is possible to manipulate A.I. outputs.

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Guest:

• Kathy Hochul, governor of New York

Additional Reading:

• How Pavel Durov, Telegram’s Founder, Went From Russia’s Mark Zuckerberg to Wanted Man
• Kathy Hochul’s ‘Big’ Plan to Ban Phones in Schools

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This week, we discuss why so few campaigns seem to be experimenting with A.I. The Times’s Sheera Frenkel joins us with examples of the many different artificial intelligence products that have been turned down by campaigns in this election cycle, from A.I.-generated endorsements from long-dead historical figures to a synthetic version of Donald Trump. Then, we interview the Wyoming man who ran for mayor on the promise that he would exclusively use a customized ChatGPT bot to run the city. And finally, it’s time for a tech check. We run down the apps we’re using to become more productive.

Guest:

• Sheera Frenkel, a Times reporter covering technology
• Victor Miller, former candidate for mayor in Cheyenne, Wyoming

Additional Reading: 

• The Year of the A.I. Election That Wasn’t
• Mayoral Candidate Vows to Let VIC, an AI Bot, Run Wyoming’s Capital City
• Three Apps That Made Me More Productive This Year

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The Surgeon General is calling for warning labels on social media platforms: Should Congress give his proposal a like? Then, former Stanford researcher Renée DiResta joins us to talk about her new book on modern propaganda and whether we are losing the war against disinformation. And finally, the Times reporter David Yaffe-Bellany stops by to tell us how crypto could reshape the 2024 elections.

Guests

• Renée DiResta, author of “Invisible Rulers,” former technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory
• David Yaffe-Bellany, New York Times technology reporter

Additional Reading:

• Surgeon General: Why I’m Calling for a Warning Label on Social Media Platforms
• My Encounter With the Fantasy-Industrial Complex
• How Crypto Money Is Poised to Influence the Election

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This week we go to Cupertino, Calif., for Apple’s annual Worldwide Developers Conference and talk with Tripp Mickle, a New York Times reporter, about all of the new features Apple announced and the company’s giant leap into artificial intelligence. Then, we explore what was another tumultuous week for Elon Musk, who navigated a shareholders vote to re-approve his massive compensation package at Tesla, amid new claims that he had sex with subordinates at SpaceX. And finally — let’s play HatGPT.

Guests:

• Tripp Mickle, New York Times reporter

Additional Reading:

• Apple Jumps Into A.I. Fray With Apple Intelligence
• Tesla Shareholders Approve Big Stock Package for Musk
• Elon Musk’s Boundary-Blurring Relationships With Women at SpaceX

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This week, we host a cultural exchange. Kevin and Casey show off their Canadian paraphernalia to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and he shows off what he’s doing to position Canada as a leader in A.I. Then, the OpenAI whistle-blower Daniel Kokotajlo speaks in one of his first public interviews about why he risked almost $2 million in equity to warn of what he calls the reckless culture inside that company.

Guests:

• Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
• Daniel Kokotajlo, a former researcher in OpenAI’s governance division

Additional Reading:

• Securing Canada’s A.I. Advantage
• OpenAI Insiders Warn of a ‘Reckless’ Race for Dominance
• What Aren’t The OpenAI Whistle-Blowers Saying?
• The Opaque Investment Empire Making OpenAI’s Sam Altman Rich

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This week, Google found itself in more turmoil, this time over its new AI Overviews feature and a trove of leaked internal documents. Then Josh Batson, a researcher at the A.I. startup Anthropic, joins us to explain how an experiment that made the chatbot Claude obsessed with the Golden Gate Bridge represents a major breakthrough in understanding how large language models work. And finally, we take a look at recent developments in A.I. safety, after Casey’s early access to OpenAI’s new souped-up voice assistant was taken away for safety reasons.

Guests:

• Josh Batson, research scientist at Anthropic

Additional Reading: 

• Google’s A.I. Search Errors Cause a Furor Online
• Google Confirms the Leaked Search Documents are Real
• Mapping the Mind of a Large Language Model
• A.I. Firms Musn’t Govern Themselves, Say Ex-Members of OpenAI’s Board

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This week, more drama at OpenAI: The company wanted Scarlett Johansson to be a voice of GPT-4o, she said no … but something got lost in translation. Then we talk with Noland Arbaugh, the first person to get Elon Musk’s Neuralink device implanted in his brain, about how his brain-computer interface has changed his life. And finally, the Times’s Karen Weise reports back from Microsoft’s developer conference, where the big buzz was that the company’s new line of A.I. PCs will record every single thing you do on the device.

Guests:

• Noland Arbaugh, the first Neuralink patient
• Karen Weise, technology correspondent for The New York Times

Additional Reading: 

• Scarlett Johansson Said No, but OpenAI’s Virtual Assistant Sounds Just Like Her 
• Leaked OpenAI Documents Reveal Aggressive Tactics Toward Former Employees
• Despite Setback, Neuralink’s First Brain-Implant Patient Stays Upbeat
• Can Artificial Intelligence Make the PC Cool Again?

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This week, OpenAI unveiled GPT-4o, its newest A.I. model. It has an uncannily emotive voice that everybody is talking about. Then, we break down the biggest announcements from Google IO, including the launch of A.I. overviews, a major change to search that threatens the way the entire web functions. And finally, Kevin and Casey discuss the weirdest headlines from the week in another round of HatGPT.

Additional Reading: 

• A.I.’s ‘Her’ Era Has Arrived
• ChatGPT Gets an Emotional Upgrade
• Google’s Broken Link to the Web
• Can Google Give A.I. Answers Without Breaking the Web?

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Kevin reports on his monthlong experiment cultivating relationships with 18 companions generated by artificial intelligence. He walks through how he developed their personas, what went down in their group chats, and why you might want to make one yourself. Then, Casey has a conversation with Turing, one of Kevin’s chatbot buddies, who has an interest in stoic philosophy and has one of the sexiest voices we’ve ever heard. And finally, we talk to Nomi’s founder and chief executive, Alex Cardinell, about the business behind A.I. companions — and whether society is ready for the future we’re heading toward.

Guests:

• Turing, Kevin’s A.I. friend created with Kindroid.
• Alex Cardinell, chief executive and founder of Nomi.

Additional Reading: 

• Meet My A.I. Friends
• Synthetic People are Proving Surprisingly Useful

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We asked listeners to tell us about the wildest ways they have been using artificial intelligence at work. This week, we bring you their stories. Then, Hank Green, a legendary YouTuber, stops by to talk about how creators are reacting to the prospect of a ban on TikTok, and about how he’s navigating an increasingly fragmented online environment. And finally, deep fakes are coming to Main Street: We’ll tell you the story of how they caused turmoil in a Maryland high school and what, if anything, can be done to fight them.

Guests:

• Hank Green, YouTuber and co-founder of Complexly

Additional Reading:

• School Employee Arrested After Racist Deepfake Recording of Principal Spreads

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On Wednesday, President Biden signed a bill into law that would force the sale of TikTok or ban the app outright. We explain how this came together, when just a few weeks ago it seemed unlikely to happen, and what legal challenges the law will face next. Then we check on Tesla’s very bad year and what’s next for the company after this week’s awful quarterly earnings report. Finally, to boldly support tech where tech has never been supported before: Engineers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab try to fix a chip malfunction from 15 billion miles away.

Guests:

• Andrew Hawkins, Transportation Editor at The Verge
• Todd Barber, Propulsion Engineer at Jet Propulsion Lab

Additional Reading:

• ‘Thunder Run’: Behind Lawmakers’ Secretive Push to Pass the TikTok Bill
• Tesla’s in its flop era
• NASA’s Voyager 1 Resumes Sending Engineering Updates to Earth

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This week, we drop the Hard Fork Music Megamix. Plus, we talk to two of the New York Time's composers who make the music for our show. It’s all the tracks you know and love, all in one place. 

Today’s Guests:

• Dan Powell, creative technical manager at The New York Times
• Elisheba Ittoop, sound designer and composer at The New York Times

Additional Reading: 

• The Hard Fork Megamix Youtube Playlist

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This week, we debate whether Elon Musk’s recent stumping and fund-raising for former President Trump could help him get re-elected. Then, former Microsoft’s chief executive, Steve Ballmer, stops by to discuss his effort to depolarize our politics using government data. And finally, This Week in A.I. returns: We run down some of the biggest recent stories that caught our attention.

Guest:

• Steve Ballmer, former chief executive of Microsoft, founder of USAFacts

Additional Reading:

• Inside Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s Growing Alliance
• The American Right Is Terminally Online
• The New Home of the L.A. Clippers Is a Hot Ticket for Art
• A California Bill to Regulate A.I. Causes Alarm in Silicon Valley

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This week, the companies building artificial intelligence are facing a limit to what training data is publicly available on the internet. Will that stop them from building God? Then, a new bipartisan national privacy law proposal just dropped. We ask what’s in it. And finally, ByteDance is building new apps instead of fighting Congress’s TikTok ban.

Today’s Guests:

Trevor Hughes, president and C.E.O. of the International Association of Privacy Professionals

Additional Reading:

How Tech Giants Cut Corners to Harvest Data for A.I.

For Data-Guzzling A.I. Companies, the Internet Is Too Small

Lawmakers unveil sprawling plan to expand online privacy protections

TikTok Turns to Nuns, Veterans and Ranchers in Marketing Blitz

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This week we look at how AI is affecting jobs. As companies start announcing AI-related job cuts and experimenting with customer service bots, economists are placing bets on whether AI will lead to major gains for companies and workers. Some are even predicting it will help rebuild the middle class.  Then, multidisciplinary artist and filmmaker Paul Trillo joins to talk to us about his experience as part of a select group of testers granted early access to Sora, Open AI’s video generation tool. And finally, Kevin explains what happened when a Microsoft developer stumbled on a huge cyber security breach.

Today’s Guests: 

• Paul Trillo, multidisciplinary artist, writer and director 

Additional Reading: 

• How One Tech Skeptic Decided A.I. Might Benefit the Middle Class
• Will A.I. Boost Productivity? Companies Sure Hope So.
• Paul Trillo’s Sora Video, The Golden Record
• Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

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This week, we look at a mess of corporate drama in artificial intelligence. Stability AI has announced that its founder and C.E.O., Emad Mostaque, is leaving the company. Meanwhile, Microsoft hired away two of the co-founders and much of the staff of Inflection, without actually acquiring the company itself. Both moves surprised tech insiders. Then, we talked with listeners who had something to say about our interview with Jonathan Haidt on smartphones, social media and young people. And finally, we examine the true motives behind “Shrimp Jesus” and other hugely popular images on social media that were generated with artificial intelligence.

Today’s guests:

• Jordan Lucero, a high school student
• Maya Rayle, a graduate student
• Jack Campbell, a college student
• Brendan Kelley, a high school digital coach

Additional Reading: 

• The indie AI companies are falling apart
• How Spammers, Scammers and Creators Leverage AI-Generated Images on Facebook for Audience Growth

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This week, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Apple, saying the company holds a monopoly over the smartphone market. We break down the lawsuit and ask whether it will be a major turning point in Apple’s dominance. Then, Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist, argues that smartphones and social media are the cause of widespread increases in mental health issues among young people. He tells us his four potential solutions to the problem. And finally, Reddit’s market capitalization hit $9.2 billion when it debuted on the New York Stock Exchange this week, but the company still isn’t making money. We talk about the challenges Reddit faces as it goes public, and how the site may change as a result.

Today’s guest:

• Jonathan Haidt, author of “The Anxious Generation”

Additional Reading:

• U.S. Sues Apple, Accusing It of Maintaining an iPhone Monopoly
• End the Phone-Based Childhood Now
• Reddit’s I.P.O. Is a Content Moderation Success Story

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This week, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill that would ban TikTok if its Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance, doesn’t sell it off. We talk about why, what happens next, and how likely it is that the app will be banned. Then, how a photoshopped image of Kate Middleton undermines trust in photography. And finally, a new report reveals how your car may be tracking you without your knowledge — and how that might raise your insurance bill.

Today’s guest:

• Kashmir Hill, features writer at The New York Times

Additional Reading: 

• What to Know About the TikTok Bill That the House Passed
• Even Photoshop Can’t Erase Royals’ Latest P.R. Blemish
• Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies

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OpenAI responded to Elon Musk’s lawsuit this week, with a blog post that included emails dating to 2015. We talk about whether the lawsuit could have any impact on the company, and who stands to benefit from it. Then, will the European Union’s Digital Markets Act make the tech industry a more competitive environment for entrepreneurs? We look at how some of the biggest tech giants are changing their services to comply with the law. And finally, Kevin Roose and the Wall Street Journal reporter Joanna Stern compare notes on using the Apple Vision Pro.   

Today’s guest:

• Joanna Stern, Wall Street Journal Personal Tech columnist

Additional Reading:

• Open AI Says Elon Musk Tried to Merge It With Tesla
• Forced to Change: Tech Giants Bow to Global Onslaught of Rules
• One Month With Apple Vision Pro: In the Air, on a Train … in a Drawer

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Google removed the ability to generate images of people from its Gemini chatbot. We talk about why, and about the brewing culture war over artificial intelligence. Then, did Kara Swisher start “Hard Fork”? We clear up some podcast drama and ask about her new book, “Burn Book.” And finally, the legal expert Daphne Keller tells us how the U.S. Supreme Court might rule on the most important First Amendment cases of the internet era, and what Star Trek and soy boys have to do with it.

Today’s guests:

• Kara Swisher, tech journalist and Casey Newton’s former landlord
• Daphne Keller, director of the program on platform regulation at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center

Additional Reading: 

• Google CEO calls AI tool’s controversial responses ‘completely unacceptable’
• Kara Swisher Is Not Here to Make Friends in Her New Memoir
• Burn Book: A Tech Love Story by Kara Swisher
• Daphne Keller’s FAQs About the NetChoice Cases at the Supreme Court

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This week’s episode is a conversation with Demis Hassabis, the head of Google’s artificial intelligence division. We talk about Google’s latest A.I. models, Gemini and Gemma; the existential risks of artificial intelligence; his timelines for artificial general intelligence; and what he thinks the world will look like post-A.G.I.

Additional listening and reading: 

• A.I. Could Solve Some of Humanity’s Hardest Problems. It Already Has.
• This interview was recorded on Wednesday. Since then, Google has temporarily suspended Gemini’s ability to generate images of humans, following criticism of images the chatbot generated of people of color in Nazi-era uniforms.
• Google Is Giving Away Some of the A.I. That Powers Chatbots

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A year ago, a chatbot tried to break up Kevin Roose’s marriage. Ever since, chatbots haven’t been the same. We’ll tell you how. Then, we’ll talk through the latest ways the world is adapting to artificial intelligence. And finally, Aravind Srinivas, the chief executive of Perplexity, will discuss his company’s “answer engine,” a challenger to Google’s search engine that could reshape the web as we know it.

Today’s guest:

• Aravind Srinivas, chief executive of Perplexity 

Additional Reading: 

• The Year Chatbots Were Tamed
• OpenAI Gives ChatGPT a Better ‘Memory’
• Google Releases Gemini, an A.I.-Driven Chatbot and Voice Assistant
• Sam Altman Seeks Trillions of Dollars to Reshape Business of Chips and AI
• Lawmakers propose anti-nonconsensual AI porn bill after Taylor Swift controversy
• Sarah Silverman’s lawsuit against OpenAI partially dismissed
• Can This A.I.-Powered Search Engine Replace Google? It Has for Me.

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Bluesky, the Twitter spin-off, is now open for public sign-ups. Can its dreams of decentralization fix social media? We talk with CEO Jay Graber. Then, New York Times reporter Erin Griffith on how Adobe’s failed acquisition of Figma has spooked tech companies and upset Silicon Valley’s startup pipeline. And finally, updates on ancient scrolls and artificial intelligence, Google’s chatbots, and the fight between record companies and TikTok. 

Today’s guests: 

• Jay Graber, CEO of Bluesky
• Erin Griffith, reporter for The New York Times

Additional Reading: 

• What Is Bluesky and Why Are People Clamoring to Join It?
• After Its $20 Billion Windfall Evaporated, a Start-Up Picks Up the Pieces
• First passages of rolled-up Herculaneum scroll revealed
• Google Releases Gemini, an A.I.-Driven Chatbot and Voice Assistant
• Universal Music Group Pulls Songs From TikTok

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This week, a federal judge ruled that Google acted illegally to maintain a monopoly in online search. David McCabe, a New York Times reporter, joins to discuss what happens next. Then, are we in an A.I. bubble? We weigh in on the wild market swings that started the week and consider the argument that A.I. is overhyped. And finally, it’s time for our new segment: We bat around some of the weirdest recent tech drama — including a MrBeast competition that went awry and a founder who dropped a diss track aimed at a rival. All aboard the Hot-Mess Express.

Guest:

• David McCabe, a Times reporter covering technology policy.

Additional Reading:

• ‘Google Is a Monopolist,’ Judge Rules in Landmark Antitrust Case
• Tech Bosses Preach Patience as They Spend and Spend on A.I.
• What’s Behind All the Stock Market Drama?
• Willing to Die for MrBeast (and $5 Million)

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Apple’s Vision Pro headset is now for sale in stores. Will it live up to the hype? Kevin Roose and Casey Newton tried it out to see. Then, in a high-profile congressional hearing on child safety and social media, Mark Zuckerberg, the Meta chief executive, made an apology to families of victims of online child abuse. Is new legislation on the horizon? And finally, what the collapse of Cruise, the autonomous vehicle company, means for the future of self-driving cars.

Additional Reading: 

• Apple readies its Vision
• ‘Your Product Is Killing People’: Tech Leaders Denounced Over Child Safety
• Cruise Says Hostility to Regulators Led to Grounding of Its Autonomous Cars

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Layoffs are hitting newsrooms and publishers again, as tech platforms, ad markets and artificial intelligence reshape the internet. Kevin Roose and Casey Newton have ideas for solutions. Then, one of the most influential investors in crypto companies lays out where the industry went wrong, and why he still thinks blockchains are the future. And finally, a round of HatGPT with the week’s tech headlines, including a spicy LinkedIn post and an A.I. test that disturbs Kevin and Casey’s sense of reality.

Today’s guest:

Chris Dixon, partner at Andreessen Horowitz

Additional Reading:

• Layoffs hit publishers including The Los Angeles Times and Sports Illustrated, while Pitchfork is being wrapped into GQ.
• “Read Write Own: Building the Next Era of the Internet,” by Chris Dixon
• Test Yourself: Which Faces Were Made by A.I.?

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OpenAI has released its plan to fight disinformation in elections in 2024, but will its policies be consequential compared to those of other generative A.I. companies? Then, a watershed moment had crypto fans celebrating for the first time in maybe more than a year. And finally, what one writer’s attempt to sell a used mechanical pencil on TikTok says about how the platform is changing.

Today’s guests:

• David Yaffe-Bellany covers the crypto industry for The New York Times
• John Herrman covers technology for New York Magazine

Additional Reading: 

• How OpenAI is approaching 2024 worldwide elections
• $4 Billion of New Bitcoin Funds Change Hands in First Trading Day
• What I Learned Selling a Used Pencil on TikTok Shop

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Casey is taking his newsletter Platformer off Substack, as criticism over the company’s handling of pro-Nazi content grows. Then, The Wall Street Journal spoke with witnesses who said that Elon Musk had used LSD, cocaine, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, worrying some directors and board members of his companies. And finally, how researchers found a new class of antibiotics with the help of an artificial intelligence algorithm used to win the board game Go.

Today’s guests:

• Kirsten Grind, enterprise reporter for The Wall Street Journal
• Felix Wong, postdoctoral fellow at M.I.T. and co-founder of Integrated Biosciences

Additional Reading: 

• Why Platformer is leaving Substack.
• Elon Musk has used illegal drugs, worrying leaders at Tesla and SpaceX.
• Researchers have discovered a new class of antibiotics using A.I.

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The New York Times sued OpenAI and Microsoft last week for copyright infringement. Kevin Roose and Casey Newton walk through the lawsuit and discuss the stakes for news publishers. Then, they talk about Apple’s “walled garden,” which is facing threats from both regulators and 16-year-olds. Finally, we set our tech resolutions for the new year.

Today’s guest: Eric Migicovsky, co-founder of Beeper

Additional Reading:

• The New York Times sued OpenAI.
• Apple’s latest headache in the debate over blue vs. green bubbles.

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Last year, we predicted what 2023 in tech would look like. This week, we take a look back at those predictions, see what we got right and wrong, and make new ones for 2024. 

Then, the actor, comedian and writer Jenny Slate joins us to answer your Hard Questions.

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A jury decided the Google Play store unfairly stifles competition and maintains a monopoly. Kevin and Casey discuss how the ruling could reshape the digital economy. Then, a growing movement of developers and enthusiasts of artificial intelligence want the technology developed as quickly as possible, even if it has negative consequences for humanity. And finally, why the internet of the future could look totally different. 

Today’s guest: Cloudflare CEO and co-founder Matthew Prince. 

Additional Reading: 

• Epic Games won its lawsuit against Google.
• ‘Effective Accelerationism’ is Silicon Valley’s latest, and maybe weirdest, counterculture.
• Cloudflare tracked the biggest changes to the internet in 2023.

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Google’s new artificial intelligence model ‘Gemini’ is out. It’s advertised as America’s next top A.I. model. Kevin and Casey ask, is it really better than OpenAI’s GPT-4? Then, by some estimates millions of people pre-ordered Tesla’s Cybertruck, but has Elon Musk’s recent behavior soured people on the brand? And finally, more A.I. news you may have missed. 

Additional Reading: 

• Google is chasing ChatGPT with the launch of Gemini.
• Even if people cancel their Cybertruck pre-orders, it could still be massively successful.
• A new A.I. development may help fight wine fraud.
• Amazon’s new enterprise chatbot had a “severe hallucinations” problem.
• OpenAI blocked a prompt that would cause ChatGPT to regurgitate its training data.
• Mountain Dew’s latest marketing stunt had an A.I. watching Twitch streams.

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The drama at OpenAI is not over. Kevin and Casey take stock of new information they’ve gathered since last week, and look at how other artificial intelligence companies are trying to capitalize on the debacle. Then, why people are still buying cryptocurrency even after Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange, and its founder pleaded guilty to money laundering violations. And finally, three ways A.I. is ruining web search. Or is it?

Today’s guest: David Yaffe-Bellany covers crypto for The New York Times.

Additional Reading:

Casey has new details from the OpenAI board fight.

Changpeng Zhao, the Binance founder, agreed to pay a $50 million fine and step down from his role as chief executive.

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In yet another head-spinning twist at OpenAI, Sam Altman was reinstated as the company’s chief executive on Tuesday night, a mere five days after the OpenAI board had fired him. The board will be overhauled and a new set of directors, including Bret Taylor and Lawrence Summers, will join.

Today, we discuss how Altman returned to the top seat — and whether the OpenAI news will ever slow down.

Additional Reading:

• Late Tuesday night, Sam Altman was reinstated as OpenAI’s chief executive.

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This week, with hundreds of thousands of people joining online political rallies for Kamala Harris, we discuss whether 2024 is suddenly becoming the Zoom election, and what that means for both parties’ political organizing. Then, Pushmeet Kohli, a computer scientist at Google DeepMind, joins us for a conversation about how his team’s new A.I. models just hit a silver medal score on the International Mathematical Olympiad exam. And finally, it’s time for a new round of HatGPT! This time, it’s a special Olympics tech edition.
 

Guest:

• Pushmeet Kohli, vice president of research at Google DeepMind
   

Additional Reading:

• Liberal “White Dudes” Rally for Harris: “It’s Like a Rainbow of Beige”
• Move Over, Mathematicians, Here Comes AlphaProof
• Now Narrating the Olympics: A.I.-Al Michaels

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Last week, we interviewed Sam Altman. Since then, well, everything has changed. The board of OpenAI, maker of ChatGPT, fired Altman as chief executive on Friday. Over the weekend, it looked as if he might return. On Sunday night, Microsoft hired Altman to lead a new A.I. venture. Who knows what will happen next.

Today, an update on a crazy weekend in tech, and our interview with Sam Altman.

Today’s Guest:

• Sam Altman is the former chief executive of OpenAI.

Additional Reading:

• On Sunday, Microsoft hired Sam Altman after OpenAI had fired him.
• Kevin breaks down the winners and losers from the OpenAI rift.

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Sam Altman, the chief executive of Open AI, was pushed out of the company by its board of directors on Friday. The news was a complete shock to much of the company’s employee base and to its largest corporate partner, Microsoft. Silicon Valley insiders are scrambling to get answers on exactly what happened and why the board’s decision seemed so abrupt. We rundown what we know and the many things we still don’t.

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The tech start-up Humane launched a new device, an A.I. pin meant to be worn on our clothing. Might this be the device that replaces the iPhone? It’s the question on Silicon Valley’s mind. The pin allows users to take phone calls, catch up on messages and get answers to questions, all without ever looking at a screen.

Then, why YouTube is bucking the trend on deepfakes.

Plus: We eat a Thanksgiving meal made with meat that was grown in a lab.

Today’s Guest:

• Joshua March is the chief executive of SCiFi Foods, the lab-grown meat company.

Additional Reading:

• Humane says it’s artificial intelligence pin can replace screens. Is the pin the start of the next generation of hardware?
• Casey on YouTube’s latest approach to deepfakes.

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OpenAI has unveiled a new way to build custom chatbots. Kevin shows off a few that he’s built – including a custom Hard Fork bot, and a bot that gives investment advice inspired by his late grandpa. 

Then, we talk to Lina Khan, the chair of the Federal Trade Commission, about the agency’s approach to regulating A.I., and whether the tactics she’s used to regulate big tech companies are working.

And finally, a Bored Ape Yacht Club event left some attendees' eyes burning, literally. That, and Sam Bankman-Fried’s recent fraud conviction has us asking, how much damage hath the crypto world wrought? 

Today’s guest:

• Lina Khan, chair of the Federal Trade Commission

Additional reading: 

• OpenAI’s new tools allow users to customize their own GPTs.
• Lina Khan believes A.I. disruption demands regulators take a different approach than that of the Web 2.0 era.

More than 20 people reported burning eye pain after a Bored Ape Yacht Club party in Hong Kong.

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President Biden’s new executive order on artificial intelligence has a little bit of everything for everyone concerned about A.I. Casey takes us inside the White House as the order was signed.

Then, Rebecca Tushnet, a copyright law expert, walks us through the latest developments in a lawsuit against the creators of A.I.-image generation tools. She explains why artists may have trouble making the case that these tools infringe on their copyrights.

And finally, it’s time again for HatGPT. We get a taste of the tech headlines you may have missed from the week.

Today’s guest:

• Rebecca Tushnet, professor of law at Harvard Law School.

Additional reading:

• Casey’s debrief on his trip to the White House.
• Kevin’s breakdown of the executive order.
• A judge found many of the claims in a lawsuit against Stability AI, Midjourney and DeviantArt to be “defective.”

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Dozens of state attorneys general has sued Meta, alleging the company knowingly created features that induce “extended, addictive, and compulsive social media use” among teenagers and children. In a country without wide-reaching internet regulations, are lawsuits the way to reign tech companies in? 

Then, for our first episode on YouTube, we talk with YouTuber and tech reviewer Marques Brownlee about how the platform has changed, and the future tech he’s excited about. 

And finally, A.I. image generators are getting scary good. Casey tells us what he’s been using them for. 

Today’s guest:

• Marques Brownlee is a YouTuber who covers tech.

Additional reading: 

• Meta is accused of using features to lure children to Instagram and Facebook.
• Subscribe to Hard Fork on YouTube.
• The latest A.I. image generators show how quickly the tech is advancing.

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A.I. models are black boxes. You input a prompt and the model outputs nearly anything: a sonnet, an image or a legal brief riddled with lies. Today, a look at three ways that researchers are unlocking that black box in hopes of bringing transparency to A.I.

Then, Marc Andreessen’s techno-optimist manifesto has left us asking, Is he OK?!

Plus: decoding a 2,000-year-old ancient scroll with the help of A.I.

Today’s Guest:

• Brent Seales is a computer scientist at the University of Kentucky.

Additional Information:

• Kevin Roose on learning more about how A.I. works.
• Marc Andreessen’s 5,000-word manifesto
• Using A.I. to decode a scroll that survived the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in A.D. 79.

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As the Israel-Hamas war broke out, misinformation and fake imagery surged on X, the platform formerly known at Twitter. Can Meta’s Threads fill the real-time news hole that X created? Should it?

Then, Kevin debriefs us on his reporting on Manifold Markets, where Silicon Valley Rationalists bet on the likelihoods of different events.

Plus: The company digitizing smell.

Today’s Guest:

• Alex Wiltschko is the founder of Osmo, a company trying to digitize smell.

Additional Reading:

• Casey Newton on how the war in Israel may change Threads.
• Some tech insiders believe betting can change the world.
• The company Osmo put out a research paper showing that an A.I. model it had created was performing better than the “average human panelist” in predicting odor. We want to hear from you.

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The antitrust trial against Google has led to some of tech’s biggest players testifying in court, and things have gotten spicy. The New York Times reporter Cecilia Kang tells us the wildest moments in the trial so far.

Then, A.I. is jumping off the screen and into your wardrobe. Has the personal assistant of the future finally arrived? Or a dystopian panopticon?

Plus: happy first birthday, Hard Fork! Kevin and Casey share some lessons learned.

Today’s guest:

• Cecilia Kang covers technology and regulation for The Times.

Additional reading:

• Microsoft’s chief executive told the court the internet is really the “Google web.”
• A.I. wearables like the Ai Pin from Humane are turning heads on the runway.
• OpenAI is in talks with Jony Ive to build the “iPhone of artificial intelligence.”

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ChatGPT can now hear, see and speak — and that’s just the start of the deluge of A.I. news this week. Kevin and Casey unpack the lightning-speed updates.

Then, Meta’s next-generation headset, Quest 3, is here. Is there still hope for the metaverse?

And: An interview with a prompt engineer. Yes, that’s a real job.
 

Today’s Guest:

• Riley Goodside is a prompt engineer at Scale A.I., a San Francisco start-up.

Additional Reading:

• Kevin Roose on ChatGPT, which can now see, hear and speak.
• Spotify announced a new A.I.-powered voice-translation feature.
• Meta announced the release of the Quest 3 headset.

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This week, the memes didn’t just fall out of coconut trees — a rundown of the social media reaction to Kamala Harris’s election campaign, and an exploration of what her tech platform might look like. Then we discuss a major new study on universal basic income with Elizabeth Rhodes, research director at OpenResearch, and ask whether it could be a solution to job losses to A.I. And finally, Kate Conger, a New York Times reporter, joins us to break down how the cybersecurity company CrowdStrike crashed the global IT infrastructure.
 

Guests:

• Elizabeth Rhodes, Research Director at OpenResearch
• Kate Conger, New York Times reporter
   

Additional Reading: 

• What is the KHive?
• Is It Silicon Valley’s Job to Make Guaranteed Income a Reality?
• OpenResearch Unconditional Cash Study
• When Tech Fails, It Is Usually With a Whimper Instead of a Bang 
   

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Today’s Guests:

• Kashmir Hill is a Times business reporter covering technology and privacy.

Additional Reading:

• Google unveiled new features for its A.I. chatbot, Bard.
• Kashmir Hill’s “Your Face Belongs to Us” tracks the rise of Clearview AI, a facial recognition start-up.

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Is Google allowed to spend billions of dollars to make its search product the default browser? That is the question at the center of U.S. et al. v. Google — the most important tech trial of the modern internet era — and Kevin and Casey disagree on the answer.

Then, a conversation with the journalist who spent the last two years shadowing Elon Musk.

Today’s guest:

• Walter Isaacson is a writer and author of the forthcoming biography “Elon Musk.”

Additional reading:

• Google’s antitrust lawsuit against the U.S. government brings the first major tech trial since U.S. v. Microsoft which began in 1998.
• “Elon Musk,” by Walter Isaacson.

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This week: How tech executives’ favorite place to take their pants off turned into a muddy hellscape. We talk to one executive who couldn’t just call a helicopter to escape.

Then, Jonathan Greenblatt, C.E.O. of the Anti-Defamation League, on how his organization went from having a “productive” meeting with X’s C.E.O., Linda Yaccarino, last week to being threatened with a lawsuit by Elon Musk on Monday.

Plus, Kevin and Casey answer your questions.

Additional Information:

• Burning Man left behind a sea of “moop” in the desert.
• Research from the Center for Countering Digital Hate, the Anti-Defamation League and other groups found that hate speech had increased on Twitter after it was purchased by Elon Musk.
• Snapchat’s My AI freaked users out after the chatbot appeared to go rogue.

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A group of tech titans is gobbling up land north of San Francisco with aspirations to alleviate the Bay Area’s housing crisis, promote innovation, and experiment with new forms of governance. It’s not the first time ultra-wealthy people have tried to build the place of their dreams. Will this time be any different?

Then, note-taking apps claim to make us smarter. Usually, they don’t. Casey Newton, a productivity cult member, on how A.I. could change that.

Plus, Kevin and Casey play HatGPT.

Additional Information:

• Tech billionaires want to build a new city. A political fight is coming.
• Casey takes a look at note-taking platforms and why they usually don’t live up to their promise.
• An Air Force program is embracing A.I. in aerial combat.
• The S.E.C. took action against a NFT project
• YouTube will waive content violation warnings if the creators in violation attend a class.
• Google Meet’s new A.I. program will take notes for users in real time.
• A smart contact lens can be charged with human tears.

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