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Telegram’s founder, Pavel Durov, was arrested in France and charged with several crimes connected to his operation of the platform. We’ll tell you what the charges against him mean for the internet. Then Gov. Kathy Hochul, Democrat of New York, joins us to discuss why she wants to ban phones statewide in public schools. And finally, Kevin has been using secret codes to try to change what A.I. chatbots think of him. We get to the bottom of whether it is possible to manipulate A.I. outputs.

This episode contains discussion of suicide connected to youth mental health. If you are having thoughts of suicide, call or text 988 to reach the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline or go to SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources for a list of additional resources.

Guest:

• Kathy Hochul, governor of New York

Additional Reading:

• How Pavel Durov, Telegram’s Founder, Went From Russia’s Mark Zuckerberg to Wanted Man
• Kathy Hochul’s ‘Big’ Plan to Ban Phones in Schools

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This week, we discuss why so few campaigns seem to be experimenting with A.I. The Times’s Sheera Frenkel joins us with examples of the many different artificial intelligence products that have been turned down by campaigns in this election cycle, from A.I.-generated endorsements from long-dead historical figures to a synthetic version of Donald Trump. Then, we interview the Wyoming man who ran for mayor on the promise that he would exclusively use a customized ChatGPT bot to run the city. And finally, it’s time for a tech check. We run down the apps we’re using to become more productive.

Guest:

• Sheera Frenkel, a Times reporter covering technology
• Victor Miller, former candidate for mayor in Cheyenne, Wyoming

Additional Reading: 

• The Year of the A.I. Election That Wasn’t
• Mayoral Candidate Vows to Let VIC, an AI Bot, Run Wyoming’s Capital City
• Three Apps That Made Me More Productive This Year

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The Surgeon General is calling for warning labels on social media platforms: Should Congress give his proposal a like? Then, former Stanford researcher Renée DiResta joins us to talk about her new book on modern propaganda and whether we are losing the war against disinformation. And finally, the Times reporter David Yaffe-Bellany stops by to tell us how crypto could reshape the 2024 elections.

Guests

• Renée DiResta, author of “Invisible Rulers,” former technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory
• David Yaffe-Bellany, New York Times technology reporter

Additional Reading:

• Surgeon General: Why I’m Calling for a Warning Label on Social Media Platforms
• My Encounter With the Fantasy-Industrial Complex
• How Crypto Money Is Poised to Influence the Election

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This week we go to Cupertino, Calif., for Apple’s annual Worldwide Developers Conference and talk with Tripp Mickle, a New York Times reporter, about all of the new features Apple announced and the company’s giant leap into artificial intelligence. Then, we explore what was another tumultuous week for Elon Musk, who navigated a shareholders vote to re-approve his massive compensation package at Tesla, amid new claims that he had sex with subordinates at SpaceX. And finally — let’s play HatGPT.

Guests:

• Tripp Mickle, New York Times reporter

Additional Reading:

• Apple Jumps Into A.I. Fray With Apple Intelligence
• Tesla Shareholders Approve Big Stock Package for Musk
• Elon Musk’s Boundary-Blurring Relationships With Women at SpaceX

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This week, we host a cultural exchange. Kevin and Casey show off their Canadian paraphernalia to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and he shows off what he’s doing to position Canada as a leader in A.I. Then, the OpenAI whistle-blower Daniel Kokotajlo speaks in one of his first public interviews about why he risked almost $2 million in equity to warn of what he calls the reckless culture inside that company.

Guests:

• Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
• Daniel Kokotajlo, a former researcher in OpenAI’s governance division

Additional Reading:

• Securing Canada’s A.I. Advantage
• OpenAI Insiders Warn of a ‘Reckless’ Race for Dominance
• What Aren’t The OpenAI Whistle-Blowers Saying?
• The Opaque Investment Empire Making OpenAI’s Sam Altman Rich

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This week, Google found itself in more turmoil, this time over its new AI Overviews feature and a trove of leaked internal documents. Then Josh Batson, a researcher at the A.I. startup Anthropic, joins us to explain how an experiment that made the chatbot Claude obsessed with the Golden Gate Bridge represents a major breakthrough in understanding how large language models work. And finally, we take a look at recent developments in A.I. safety, after Casey’s early access to OpenAI’s new souped-up voice assistant was taken away for safety reasons.

Guests:

• Josh Batson, research scientist at Anthropic

Additional Reading: 

• Google’s A.I. Search Errors Cause a Furor Online
• Google Confirms the Leaked Search Documents are Real
• Mapping the Mind of a Large Language Model
• A.I. Firms Musn’t Govern Themselves, Say Ex-Members of OpenAI’s Board

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This week, more drama at OpenAI: The company wanted Scarlett Johansson to be a voice of GPT-4o, she said no … but something got lost in translation. Then we talk with Noland Arbaugh, the first person to get Elon Musk’s Neuralink device implanted in his brain, about how his brain-computer interface has changed his life. And finally, the Times’s Karen Weise reports back from Microsoft’s developer conference, where the big buzz was that the company’s new line of A.I. PCs will record every single thing you do on the device.

Guests:

• Noland Arbaugh, the first Neuralink patient
• Karen Weise, technology correspondent for The New York Times

Additional Reading: 

• Scarlett Johansson Said No, but OpenAI’s Virtual Assistant Sounds Just Like Her 
• Leaked OpenAI Documents Reveal Aggressive Tactics Toward Former Employees
• Despite Setback, Neuralink’s First Brain-Implant Patient Stays Upbeat
• Can Artificial Intelligence Make the PC Cool Again?

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This week, OpenAI unveiled GPT-4o, its newest A.I. model. It has an uncannily emotive voice that everybody is talking about. Then, we break down the biggest announcements from Google IO, including the launch of A.I. overviews, a major change to search that threatens the way the entire web functions. And finally, Kevin and Casey discuss the weirdest headlines from the week in another round of HatGPT.

Additional Reading: 

• A.I.’s ‘Her’ Era Has Arrived
• ChatGPT Gets an Emotional Upgrade
• Google’s Broken Link to the Web
• Can Google Give A.I. Answers Without Breaking the Web?

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Kevin reports on his monthlong experiment cultivating relationships with 18 companions generated by artificial intelligence. He walks through how he developed their personas, what went down in their group chats, and why you might want to make one yourself. Then, Casey has a conversation with Turing, one of Kevin’s chatbot buddies, who has an interest in stoic philosophy and has one of the sexiest voices we’ve ever heard. And finally, we talk to Nomi’s founder and chief executive, Alex Cardinell, about the business behind A.I. companions — and whether society is ready for the future we’re heading toward.

Guests:

• Turing, Kevin’s A.I. friend created with Kindroid.
• Alex Cardinell, chief executive and founder of Nomi.

Additional Reading: 

• Meet My A.I. Friends
• Synthetic People are Proving Surprisingly Useful

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We asked listeners to tell us about the wildest ways they have been using artificial intelligence at work. This week, we bring you their stories. Then, Hank Green, a legendary YouTuber, stops by to talk about how creators are reacting to the prospect of a ban on TikTok, and about how he’s navigating an increasingly fragmented online environment. And finally, deep fakes are coming to Main Street: We’ll tell you the story of how they caused turmoil in a Maryland high school and what, if anything, can be done to fight them.

Guests:

• Hank Green, YouTuber and co-founder of Complexly

Additional Reading:

• School Employee Arrested After Racist Deepfake Recording of Principal Spreads

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