We are living through an unmistakably accelerated era of technological transformation. History shows that periods like this often reshape not only how organizations operate but also how individuals relate to one another and engage with the world.

Looking back, the impact of major technological shifts seems obvious. But living through them is far more complex. On any given day, headlines announce CEOs radically reorganizing around artificial intelligence and replacing roles once held by people, while other reports note that many companies have yet to realize measurable benefits from their significant AI investments.

The reality is that the long‑term implications—for business, society, and our daily lives—are still unfolding. Organizations must therefore be thoughtful and strategic, not reactive, in how they adopt and integrate AI technologies.

This week, we’re fortunate to explore these questions with Hakob Astabatsyan, founder of Synthflow.ai, an end‑to‑end Voice AI platform that aims to “redefine how enterprises connect with customers.” Our conversation goes well beyond Synthflow’s product offering to examine the evolving nature of AI itself.

We discuss the technical and philosophical challenges of building AI‑driven voice orchestration systems capable of mimicking human conversation. Hakob reflects on the current limitations of AI—particularly in handling emotional nuance—and the possibilities for AI tools to simulate empathy in certain contexts. He also explains Synthflow’s Visual Conversational Flow Builder, which enables organizations to design guided conversational paths that help customers navigate interactions more effectively and improve outcomes.

Throughout our discussion, Hakob emphasizes a central point: AI should enhance human capabilities, not replace them. While disruption is inevitable, the greater opportunity lies in elevating uniquely human skills—critical thinking, creativity, communication, and collaboration. This shift will require educational institutions to rethink what and how they teach in order to prepare students for the world emerging around us.

Hakob also looks ahead, predicting that 2026 will be a pivotal year for AI adoption, driven not by futuristic breakthroughs but by improvements in usability, accessibility, and seamless integration into everyday business operations.

Hakob Astabatsyan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hakob-astabatsyan/

Synthflow.ai: https://synthflow.ai/

I think we can still technically say we are in the midst of the new year even though we are two weeks into it. I don’t know if there is a statute of limitations on how long you can wish another person a happy new year, since also technically it is the new year until the next new year at which point this new year will become the old year. 

One of the things that is meant to last throughout the new year are the changes that we want to make in our lives. While January 1st as a starting date is in many ways arbitrary as a demarcation point of transformation, it still is symbolically significant as a point where changes take place. Experience design can be about transformation, having these metamorphic experiences that make us different in some fundamental way. The new year definitely is one of those moments when transformation can take place. But if change is going to take place as the saying goes, “let it begin with me.”

One of the common resolutions is to simplify one’s life and ‘declutter’ what is causing our lives to become unmanageable or not able to navigate easily. The psychological impacts of clutter can be many, including increased stress levels, difficulty focusing, procrastination, difficulty with relationships, lower quality of life, decreased well-being, and feelings of being overwhelmed. We can accumulate and hold onto things throughout our lives, some of them material and some emotional and even relational. When we hold onto things that no longer serve us and only get into the way, they can impede our progress.

This is why it is a perfect time for today’s guest on Experience by Design. Saahil Mehta is on a mission to help people declutter. Part of this might come from his background as an engineer, creating things that are planned out and well organized. Part of it might come from his mountaineering expeditions, planning each element and only bringing what you need to accomplish your goal. All of it comes from his desire to get people in a place where they can move forward and achieve their dreams.

We talk about his book “Break Free: A Guide to Decluttering Your Life”, where he lays out his approach to helping others develop better relationships, have more time for their passions, and find a better path to move forward in their lives. Saahil describes his 7 Internal Summits Priority Framework as a tool that helps individuals prioritize the most important areas of their life. We also talk about the importance of overcoming people pleasing behavior, sharing the roots of the pattern and how we can start to prioritize more of our own needs.

Saahil also shares his own transformative experience from a 2016 retreat where he learned to embrace authenticity and discovered others' confidence in him despite his self-doubt. Together we explore authentic success versus societal expectations. We discuss the importance of prioritizing the things that matter most to us, and emphasize the need for honest self-assessment and the importance of creating space for reflecting on those things in our daily lives. 

Finally, we have a link to Saahil’s Exponential Success Blueprint Webinar, which you can register for free.

Saahil Mehta: https://www.saahilmehta.com/

Saahil Mehta on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saahilmehta/

Exponential Success Blueprint Webinar: https://www.saahilmehta.com/success

I am back from the FTT Fintech Festival, hosted by VC Innovations and taking place in London. I was hosting a panel on attracting the next generation of customers to mutuals, which are member-owned financial institutions offering different types of services and products. I was lucky enough to have a great group of panelists, and it was a great event over two days. To say that I learned a lot would be an understatement. The event was full of really engaging conversations and panels around a host of topics in the intersection of finance and technology. Since I’m not a finance professional, I wasn’t sure how I would integrate into the event and conversations with people there. Plus it was the British and Irish financial systems that were being discussed, which I know basically nothing about. However, despite these important and obvious differences between my knowledge and the knowledge of other attendees, there was enough in common to make conversations pretty easy.

The main thing we had in common was that we were all interested in creating experiences of all kinds. There were conversations around customer, user, employee, and digital experiences. There was also mention of frictionless financial experiences, security experiences, and experience-driven identity. It was pretty easy to find the common ground since everything was about experience research and design at some level. Those in industry were interested to hear what us in academia were doing around experience design teaching. 

Another theme was the impact of artificial intelligence as an element of fintech. Amongst all the conversations of AI was the question of whether or not a “digital first” strategy makes sense for customers seeking financial services. It was clear that people in general, and some specific populations, want to experience the authentic touch of a human being in their interactions. This led to some discussion about what to do with the bank branch. If we are moving to a digital first strategy, then why have branches? At the same time, people want to have the convenience of digital. 

What if we could have both? The warm touch of a human being at a branch along with the convenience of digital. 

Enter my guest today on Experience by Design, Victor Cho. Victor has a long career of digital transformation and now is CEO of Emovid. Emovid’s product combines the authenticity of face-to-face conversations with the improved efficiency outcomes of AI through the use of video-based communication. Another element of his work is an emphasis on stakeholder capitalism, and businesses contributing to improving society. 

We talk about his path to CEO success, and how his interest in his Commodore 64 started it. He describes how his business education and religious upbringing combined to prioritize social responsibility over personal gain. 

We also talk about how we need to create authentic communication in a tech era. Victor shared updates on Emovid’s progress, including their platform launch and plans for a new generative AI imaging solution focused on maintaining authenticity in communications. He highlighted the importance of considering the broader impacts of technology and the need for ethical decision-making in its implementation. 

This conversation would have been right at home at the FTT Fintech Festival, and it is a perfect time to share the conversation with you. 

Vincent Cho: https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-cho-/

Emovid: https://www.emovid.com/

It can be easy to forget that experience design, whatever the kind, is about people. More than that, it is about making not only experiences better, but more importantly their lives better. As experience designers, we can help in ways great and small. It can be an overused phrase to be customer, or patient, or user centric. And we can lose sight what that means, and what our design recommendations and decisions can mean, in people’s lives. 

Eleni Stathoulis is focused on delivering that difference through design. She is Principal in Design at Mad*Pow, a New England-based firm that creates innovative experiences and solutions that benefit people and businesses. She has worked with clients across a variety of business sectors and industries, but with always the same goal: to bring the voices of people back into the design process in order to do good. 

We talk with Eleni about her path to her current position. From her education as a graphic design major and communications minor, she has integrated both to better relate findings to clients. We talk about how by keeping the goals of the project in mind, and the needs of the people at the center, we can deliver designs that matter and create change.

We are on the verge of a new year, and with a new year comes new ideas about how we need to make changes in our lives. While individual will often make New Year’s Resolutions about how to make a “new you”, what about organization? What resolutions can organizations make to change the way they have been doing things, and enter the new year with not only the best intentions, but the best outcomes?

To help us explore how to make those radical changes in our individual and organizational lives, we have in the Experience by Design Studios Radhika Dutt. Radhika is the author of Radical Product Thinking: The New Mindset for Innovating Smarter. In her book, she distills that wealth of knowledge into some clear elements that any individual or organization can use. In today’s conversation we break down what radical product thinking is and can do. It’s a skill for creating change in the world around you, and one of the most interesting aspects is that it can work for organizations, but also you as an individual, or even entities not traditionally considered products such as Singapore. 

One key element of radical product thinking we discuss is building out vision vs iterative product thinking, meaning how can we create guides and guardrails to foster growth in a desired direction, measure what matters, and create lasting change.

When the world can feel more divided than ever - whether polarizing politics, climate change or economic uncertainty, ethnography reminds us to come back down to earth, and into the lives of people. Because the truth is, if we want to see systemic change, and address issues larger than ourselves, we actually have to start with everyday experience. And being willing to go against the grain, challenge the status quo.

Thibault Manekin has a habit of putting himself into uncomfortable situations of the extraordinary kind. In his new book Larger than Yourself, he chronicles the various moments in his life where seeking the uncomfortable was the path to not only his growth, but increased opportunities for others. At the heart of each of these stories is the rebellion against those who warn “You can’t” or tell him “No.” Hearing these phrases lets him know when he is pushing hard enough to do something truly revolutionary. If you are not struggling, what you are trying to do is probably too easy to begin with.

While perhaps laudable, such an approach can easily become misguided. Putting oneself into uncomfortable situations can easily become self-serving. Such an approach can slip into a person using others to feel growthful and even a thrill seeker. To embed the action into impact, it becomes more important to align the idea with the desires and goals of those in the setting. We have to build and make change from the inside out, getting input from the various stakeholders that exist in the space in which we are seeking to make a difference.  

This means a rebalancing of power, whether it be in an organization, an institution, or a community. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. The question becomes how to make people more equal in the relationship. While a CEO and a janitor may have different roles and responsibilities, they are not unequal in their tasks. Sanitation workers, not physicians, would have curtailed the plague. Physicians could perhaps treat the symptoms. Sanitation workers could remove the causes. Thus, each has a role to play that is not any less important than the other. Ultimately each has a perspective to add and value to contribute. Organizations and leaders need to do better to make that possibility a reality.  

Meaning is a key element of designing experiences. At the same time, a major challenge is to understand how people construct and achieve meaning not just personally, but shared with others. How we create meaning through language has long been a philosophical question drawing sharp arguments around a fundamental feature of our lives. 

Max Louwerse’s book “Keeping those Words in Mind: How Language Creates Meaning” explores how we make meaning through language in terms that anyone can understand. Based on his own cutting-edge research, Max helps us explore how words work in the mind, how people create meaning, and what it means for experience design.

We also discuss efforts at creating transformative learning experiences through pedagogical technology. From augmented reality, to virtual reality, to “CAVES”, to artificial intelligence, and to not giving tests, Max talks about his work pushing the boundaries of how students learn. We engage in a critical examination of the educational system, some of the biggest challenges in higher education, and how technology is meant to enhance and supplement rather than replace. 

When looking at American culture, you can see how security minded it is. Home security systems. Car security systems. Gun ownership for protection. Locking your doors. It is a society that in many ways does not trust its own environment. At the same, we have in many ways given up pretending that we have digital privacy and security. News reports of security breaches, stolen passwords, hacking, and cybercrime all create the sense that resistance is futile. 

Our guest today is looking to change that by making data privacy a human right. Ben Brook went to Harvard with aspirations of studying film. Soon after arriving, he turned his attention to books on the future of AI and computer science. This led to his co-creation of Transcend, a company that aims to make managing your data and privacy an easier and seamless experience.  

We talk about how cleaning up someone’s data is like throwing confetti into a ceiling fan, and how Transcend helps companies and consumers clean up that mess. Transcend also helps companies be who they wish they were but helping earn their customers’ trust in how they manage customer data. Inspired by regulations like GDPR and California’s CCPA, Transcend aims to educate end-users and give them increased control over their personal data as an enjoyable experience. 

Perhaps one of the most immediate changes brought by the pandemic was the move to living online. It seemed like the world was going virtual, as people in business, education, organizing, and those trying to maintain social connection became boxes on screens. As we put more time into being online, we often found that there is a difference between being in person and being remote. Something is missing in the virtual experience.

At the same time, there is this whole thriving online world in which masses of people regularly get together to view content, have conversations, and build community. 

On this episode of Experience by Design, we welcome long-time livestreamer and content creator Chuck KostALnik, otherwise known as Heyappl. From his early days in 2012 making videos for YouTube, to his current Twitch channel, as well as his work with the open source product Firebot, Chuck has been exploring how to make virtual moments that matter. 

We talk about seeing things from the viewer’s perspective, how dead air is not necessarily bad air, the danger of metrics, and digital brand management. We also talk about how products like Firebot can create “immersive theater”, and transform watching another person playing video games or “Just Chatting” into a unifying virtual experience. Finally we talk about creating inclusive experiences online, and the fighting back against flamers and hate raids. 

This past summer has brought greater attention to questions of racial and social justice, resulting from the George Floyd murder to other stories also depicting events that bring us back to an earlier time in American history. While this renewed focus is welcome to address issues that still need addressing, the topic of diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice are by no means new. So while not new as topics, we are living in a new era. With this, we need a new generation of leaders to take the mantle forward. So the question can be asked, in what way can we engage younger generations in these topics to leverage their experiences and insights to move our work forward for a more just and inclusive society. 

To help us in this conversation, today we welcome to the Experience by Design studios Dan Egol and Desi Carson of the Inclusion Nextwork. The Inclusion Nextwork is a global network of emerging leaders who are passionate about innovating how organizations and communities approach diversity, equity, inclusion, belonging, and justice. Rooted in their previous work in the field, Dan and Desi take us through what an inclusive community looks like using their IDEAS framework. From Roundtable on a range of inclusive topics, to skills and leadership development, they talk about how to create new approaches to our long-standing issues.

The key lies in co-creating a more just and equitable society across community building, resource strategy and opportunity finding.

One might think that by 2021, companies would already have an understanding of how to digitally transform. Also, one might think that they would have a strategy in place to do so. The truth, however, is that many companies neither have an understanding nor a strategy of engaging customers through digital means. As a result, a staggering 84% of customers say their digital experiences do not live up to their expectations. Further complicating matters is that companies often don’t even take the time to find out what their customers want. And even if and when they do, they are hesitant to even change.

Today we welcome Howard Tiersky to the Experience by Design studios. Howard has been named one of the Top 10 Digital Transformation Influencers, and has helped some of the biggest brands and companies with their digital strategies. From a degree in cinematic arts and directing, to creating the first Ernst and Young internet set, Howard has extensive experience in constructing experiences. We talk about his new book “Winning Digital Customers: The Antidote to Irrelevance,” which lays out practical steps and proven approaches to make your company succeed in the digital environment. If you are not even sure where to start, Howard’s new book will direct on where you need to go and how to do it. 

We are living in the Age of Identity. Terms like fluidity and intersectionality speak to the moment of people exploring who they are across and within different contexts. People are free to choose from a wide variety of selves, each building on the other to create a range of self-expression. While this allows people to speak about who they see themselves as in multiple ways, it does create challenges to trying to reach those people through marketing. 

Michael Solomon is exploring new rules for a new marketing world. From a PhD in social psychology , Michael has spent a career looking at how to reach people through marketing. His new book, The New Chameleons: How to Connect with Consumers Who Defy Categorization, breaks down how those traditional marketing  boundaries are blurring. Also, it’s no longer just the individual heading out for a purchase. They’re checking with their friends and social media sites and doing research before even starting to buy anything. It’s as much about social validation as it is satisfaction from the purchase. 

In order to truly understand and meet people where they are at, Michael walks us through how we need to update old marketing tropes for the 21st century and embrace chameleon consumers.

What does chips and salsa, Meowoulf, and Burning Man have in common? What they all share is they are part of what our guest calls the Experiential Palate. They involve trying to connect with a person’s experiential aptitude to take in and appreciate what is being created for them. If you have salsa that is too spicy, no matter how good it might taste that is going to be overpowered by how overwhelming it is. Likewise, if you have an image that is too abstract or experimental, the viewer might not be able to connect with what the artist is trying to communicate. 

Anthony Rocco is an experience artist who is an architect of curiosity. Inspired by his education in cinema and directing, from the Latitude Society to Burning Man to his own creating of transformative leadership experiences for corporate clients, Anthony helps us unpack the underlying framework for what makes experience design work. For example, where does the value lie? He notes as designers it's our responsibility to design for the whole experience, not just the perception of it. Further, we open up the idea that curiosity mixed with design is about bringing stakeholders into the here and now so that we can see the often ignored and overlooked fabric of social life, to ask deeper questions and rethink how we conceptualize, construct, and frame our experiences. 

It is that time of year again when employees have to make a selection of their benefits package, which includes your healthcare plan. I just got the announcement from HR that the enrollment period is now for that uniquely American thing that we call “employer-based healthcare.” It is fascinating that a healthcare program that is unlike any other developed country is taken so for granted as “that’s just how it is” because that is how we have come to know it and we are used to it. For the most part, this is how people think healthcare is supposed to work.

But beyond that, what do we know about how it works or how it can or should work? 

I’ve done some research in healthcare, primarily around the creation and use of medical records. While that might seem to be a trivial topic, let me assure you that everything in healthcare happens around the record. That’s because of how our billing systems works, how coding factors into it, how things like case mix indices and severity of illness indicators function, and all the other assorted features that rely on paper to make happen. When you see how healthcare in the United States actually functions, it can be pretty eye opening.

With the government shutdown, there has been more discussion of healthcare and how it is provided in a way that is accessible and affordable. In politics, healthcare is an evergreen topic in that it is always present and you can rely on it to stir strong reactions. Despite all the chatter, we still can use help in better understanding just what is happening and how we might think about possibilities related to it.

This is why we are lucky to have Kate Katz as my guest today on Experience by Design. Kate comes from the UK, where you might have heard they have a different healthcare system than in the United States. While in the UK, Kate worked with healthcare organization to help them improve the delivery of services. Kate now works with hospitals in the US to help them improve the delivery of their medical services. As a result, she is in a great position to help us understand healthcare experiences from a variety of angles and perspectives.

We talk about the challenges of implementing change in healthcare systems, and how it is not just about the rules and regulations, but about bringing people along for the changes. We discuss service-oriented versus profit-oriented approaches in healthcare, as well as efficiency and making use of existing resources matters in both.

Since everything seems to be about AI, we also explore AI implementation challenges in healthcare, and why hospitals are good at piloting but not terribly good at scaling. Part of this is because there are so many other elements tied into healthcare, leading to the need of a systems orientation when thinking about behavioral changes.

Finally we talk about visible versus invisible conditions and diagnoses. Kate shares her own story about how just because something is not visible doesn’t make it less impactful. Even though we may not see the factors impacting people, we need to be constantly aware and empathetic from a personal and organizational perspective. This extends not just to those who are being treated in healthcare, but those who are working in it as well.

Kate Katz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katekatz/

The experience of being a parent of a developmentally disabled, or neurologically atypical child, can be highly varied. Kids can have a range of functioning, challenges, abilities, and barriers. Regardless of our different experiences based on the unique situations we face, one thing is the same: all of us frequently need some form of help.

This is where the folks from Jeb’s Game come in. Inspired into action by the story of Jeb, a young man with Down’s Syndrome who was having trouble learning how to read, a group of game designers, developers, sound and communication professionals, and educators who met on Reddit and organized themselves on Discord. Using an open source mentality, this group has been exploring how VR gaming can be used to help people with intellectual challenges learn how to read. 

We chat with Oliver and Kellan from Jeb’s Game about the process of bringing the team together, how they creating a VR-based learning experience, and how they keep the project on track. It is a great example of how sharing a strong purpose and mission can be the glue which holds an organization together and keeps work aligned. 

Despite being summer, it is a fallacy that academics get summers off. Especially in a pandemic year, it can feel like the pressures and stresses of academic work have been compounded. Making the transition to remote teaching provided its own unique challenges. On top of that are all of the requirements of the academic life. Committee work. Advising students, Doing research. Writing papers. Dealing with rejection and reviewer comments. It is enough to challenge even the most dedicated and patient professionals. While I wouldn’t place it in the category of being a roofer in the middle of summer, the academic life does have its own challenges and tribulations. 

Thankfully, our next guest has an outlet to help academics with their mental health and wellness. Dr. Wendy Ingram started to become concerned with the impact of academia on mental health as a graduate student. From what she saw around her with their peers, as well as a personal tragedy, Wendy saw the need for mental health services for academics. This, along with the reality that 50-60% of academics struggle with mental health issues, led her to create Dragonfly Mental Health, a mental health organization dedicated to academics whether graduate students or full professors. 

Calling academia the original Instagram, where all you see is the good stuff, we talk about the challenges of being constantly in a ‘headspace’ versus a ‘heart space.’ She discusses how academics need an outlet to discuss their mental struggle, how they work with universities and departments to create better mental health environments, how they have grown to over 160 volunteers in 25 or so countries, along with weekly virtual support sessions, and how to connect passions of purpose with metrics of worth.

Our guest today Josh Linkner has had a pretty varied set of experiences that led to to writing his latest book, Big Little Breakthroughs. In fact, he describes himself as being a “strange mix of things.” From an early age he picked up guitar. That’s not necessarily notable, as lots of young kids pick up guitar. However, his interest led him to focus on jazz guitar, resulting in him even attending the Berkeley School of Music here in Boston. But his journey didn’t end there, as he ended up transferring to University of Florida to study business (as well as guitar). Afterward, he found himself drawn toward being a tech-startup entrepreneur, having a number of successes and as he describes it, plenty of failures. From there, he has become a well-known and much sought after professional speaker and venture capital investor, talking to audiences across industries as well as helping companies find their innovative spark. 

The author of four books, Josh and I talk about what it means to be innovative, and how little changes and small insights can lead to dramatic transformations. From his fascination with the video game Frogger, to our conversation on the need for change in our educational system, we explore the potential for creativity in all aspects of our lives, filling what he calls the creativity gap in organizations, and how Detroit serves him as the hub of his innovative approach and spirit for renewal. 

In the area of ethnomethodology and workplace studies, Jack’s work always served as a case study in how to apply academic research and industry impact. From his earlier days at the University of Oregon, to his move to the Institute for Research on Learning at Stanford, and then to the XEROX Palo Alto Research Center, and even today with the sustainable fisheries partnership, Jack has used ethnography to further design throughout his work.

In this episode, we talk about how he arrived at this work from his dissertation on social movements. We then work through his 911 first responder training and research, which then led into his work with his wife Marilyn on Call Center operations. We then track how ethnomethodology is really the first human-centered design. Jack talks about how being a social broker to bring stakeholders together is an important element in workplace studies and turning findings into design outcomes. Finally, we explore how workplace studies and ethnographic studies of work has created an important framework for how design ethnography is done today.

Dr. Jacqueline Copeland grew up in Philadelphia, which she describes as a city of neighborhoods. But, just because you have neighborhoods doesn’t mean that everyone is neighborly. From those early experiences of people watching and trying to understand the dynamics of Philly, she became interested in exploring new worlds and understanding different cultures. Anthropology and philanthropy then became her new home from which she could explore and have a greater impact.

We explore her work in philanthropy around the world, especially on the African continent, women in technology, and founding Black Philanthropy Month. She shares with us her passion for creating sustainable social justice movements, and why the social sciences are essential to building a better world. Some of her projects have included helping the Federal Reserve bank meet the capital financing needs of religious minorities, assisting corporate social responsibility efforts, and aiding in capacity building for grassroots social innovators. 

Finally, she helps us to understand how we can get started in philanthropy, social innovation, and social movements through giving time, talent, or treasure (or all of the above). 

Oscar Barrera is a Business Anthropologist based out of Veracruz, Mexico who brings a global mindset to helping businesses turn hurdles into opportunities for positive change. He is an expert in innovation, change management, and strategy. In this episode in partnership with This Anthro Life and Experience by Design, podcast cohosts Adam Gamwell and Gary David dig into Oscar's story to learn the steps he took in moving from academia to business. We also dig into:

• case stories of how Oscar used the social sciences to help businesses see and solve organizational problems, find new marketing opportunities, and help people craft new narratives that empower them to be the heroes of their own stories
• why we believe it is not only ethical to bring the social sciences into business, but why it is fundamentally necessary to do so
• how to get started learning the world of business

This episode is jam packed with great stories and advice!

Punk is more than songs; it is an ethos, as well as an aesthetic. The punk lifestyle and its music is all about attitude, and fighting against norms, traditional dogma, social injustice, and intolerance. It strives to move outside of how things have always been done, as well as being cautious of authority. The more society tells you that you should be doing something, the more likely you are to see punks heading in the other direction. 

Today we’re talking with Adrian Swinscoe, customer experience guru and author of the book Punk CX, which draws on his love of the punk lifestyle and culture to make the case that we need to rethink the overly bureaucratic and out of touch consumer experience apparatuses of many corporations. He advocates for DIY, democratic, back to basics cultural approach. 

So, sit back, put on your headphones, break out your torn jean jacket, metal studs, spiked piercings, and Punk attitude, and listen to Adrian talk about how to make CX more Punk Rock.

The Experience by Design mothership is being boarded by pirates! On today’s episode, we welcome the Learning Pirate Lauren Waldman. Lauren long has been interested in education and learning, a passion that saw her take on the Head of Learning and Development in Canada for Tata Consulting Services, as well as being Training and Development Manager for Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, which seems like a place a learning pirate should be -- the high seas. As her bio says, she is a pirate searching for treasure, and that treasure revolves around how we learn. With her background in neuroscience, the treasure we are looking for lies buried in how our brains learn.

With Lauren we talk about how the brain processes information, and what that means for designing and integrating learning technologies. Just because we have more sources of information and venues to communicate it does not mean that more learning automatically takes place. We explore how technologies, including Learning Management Systems, need to be constructed with how the brain works. We also discuss tricks and tips of how to better reinforce learning, especially in online environments.

So, prepare to let the Learning Pirate come aboard and join the journey for learning treasures and technological maps to help us find it.

Designer and entrepreneur Paul Bulencea, who is the co-creator of the college of extraordinary experiences, visits the Experience by Design studios. Paul’s personal journey started with a Masters degree in recreation while in Salzburg. Blending gamification and experience design, Paul and his advisor created new ground in the space of tourism experiences in the book Gamification in Tourism. A chance encounter with a Nordic LARPing leader resulted in them exploring how to rent places to create immersive experiences, influenced by the work of Punch Drunk and Meow Wolf. The idea was to take LARPing, mix it with game design, and run a professional conference. Where those things intersect, you will find the College of Extraordinary Experiences.

The College is not just there to have an extraordinary experience while attending, but through your experiences while taking part you will begin to find the extraordinary in everyday life. Doing so comes with some potential costs as these experiences and the journey you take with others can expose old wounds that have yet healed. But the point is to become transformed not only professionally, but personally and hopefully spiritually. The college is based on the Hero’s Journey, where you come through the abyss to be renewed at the end. A feature of this transformation is that you see how everything is extraordinary if you can see it’s extraordinary nature. 

The goal is to provide participants with a pathway to rediscover through an intense multiple day journey that combines education and LARPing in a Polish castle. The challenge becomes, especially in modern society, how can we get back in touch with the extraordinary experiences of everyday life

Many companies want to use customer experience, but are they really embracing its essence?  Businesses often think it is about customers being happy in terms of ‘customer satisfaction.’  The point is really customer experience is about much more than satisfaction. To be a company that embraces customer experience is to embrace cultural change. We all know that change can be difficult, and it can be challenging to get people on board with it. 

Our guest today, helps us figure out how to overcome this gap. Stacy Sherman has been living customer experience since she first had to pick it up and learn it on the job. From her full-time work as Director of Customer Experience and Employee Engagement at the Schindler Elevator Company, to her other full-time work as a consultant at Doing CX Right, much of her days are spent trying to make customer experience and centricity a part of organizational life. 

In our conversation, we talk about the conception and birth of customer experience, its coming of age and the growing pains associated with early adolescents, how it is finding an identity in its adulthood, and where it may be going as it ages. We also the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion in customer experience as a profession and practice. Finally, we talk about what we can learn from the pop band The Go-Gos about customer experience.

I went to a Catholic all-boys high school run by the Christian Brothers, a teaching order founded by St. John the Baptist De La Salle. I will give them credit for giving me great preparation for future academic success, and even maybe this podcast. So at the foundation of Experience by Design are the Christian Brothers. 

But that wasn’t my first brush with Catholicism. I did a fair number of the sacraments growing up and into adulthood, a process which included learning about the tenets and history of such central figures like Jesus. One of the things I recall learning about was the Sermon on the Mount and the Beatitudes. I also preferred the Beatitudes to things like the Ten Commandments. In a way the Commandments can read like the rules of a HOA of all the things you can’t do. It is important to remember things like “Thou shall not kill” and not to “covet thy neighbor’s wife.” But I liked the Beatitudes because they gave props to people already doing good things.

A really good one is “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.”

Regardless of your religious or spiritual beliefs, I think we can all get behind that, especially at a time when there is so much conflict. The Armed Conflict Location and Event Data global monitor organization states, “Recent levels of violence have been unprecedentedly high, with several ‘record-breaking’ months in the past year.” But this just doesn't mean armed conflict on the international stage. Things are tense all over with all kinds of conflict everyday.

Which is why we have Josh Gordon as a guest on Experience by Design. I’ve known Josh for a long time, but primarily in the capacity of a fellow runner and training partner. Josh also is a faculty member at the University of Oregon, a leader in the area of sports mediation, and the founder of the Sports Conflict Institute. In his career, Josh has done work with FIFA, Major League Baseball, Court of Arbitration for Sport, and others. 

We talk about fairness and equity in sports, and why emphasizing the opportunities provided by sports are meaningful and should not be derailed. We explore how we can build inclusive cultures through sports. He takes us into his work at the collegiate level, and how setting expectations ahead of time can produce greater satisfaction and happiness with ensuing experiences. We also talk about the difference between ‘distress’ and ‘eustress’, and why a little bit of friction can be essential to growth. 

Finally we explore how we can create equitable organizational cultures, and why the perception of fairness can be more important that the presence of outcome.

Sports Conflict Institute: https://sportsconflict.org

Josh Gordon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuagordon

Sports Conflict Institute TV: https://sportsconflict.org/sci-tv/

Medicine, like it seems everything else, is undergoing an experiential transformation. The movement toward redefining healthcare in terms of patient experiences is not necessarily new. While it might not ebe new, it still is evolving. Not only our understanding of patient experiences, but the broadening out of that into provider experiences as well. As we have turned our attention to frontline heroes in healthcare, the question arises of to what extent does an emphasis on patient experience potentially negatively impact provider experience. 

To explore the question of healthcare experience, we welcome Dr. Justin Bright to the ExD studios. Dr. Bright is a real doctor, unlike Adam and me. He is an ER doctor at Henry Ford Health Systems in Detroit, my hometown. I heard Justin speak at a Patient Experience online conference, and knew he had to be on ExD. He also is the Assistant Medical Director for Patient Experience at Henry Ford Emergency Medicine, and Co-Chair of the Physicians Council at the Beryl Institute. 

We talk about understanding provider perspectives in delivering patient experiences, comparing famous television doctors like Doc Martin versus Doc McStuffins, how to innovate in regulated spaces, whether patients are customers, and ER medicine in a pandemic. 

Running a professional association ain’t easy. There are a lot of elements that go into creating and delivering a quality member experience. Living during a pandemic has only made that more challenging as conferences go online, member information needs change, and organizations try to find ways to provide meaningful experiences and value to their membership. 

To help explore this issue, we welcome Nicholas Bott of Sengii to the Experience by Design studios. Sengii’s platform and features helps organizations create online communities and member experiences. But they do more than that. By working with organizational leadership, Sengii also helps organizations develop strategies to help grow their membership. Through their team of “Supernerds” and continuously expanding offering, Nick and Sengii work closely with organizations to support their mission of making online communities possible. 

We talk about the nature of virtual communities, the temptation of selling your dream at the risk of losing your vision, creating a team of people who are empowered to innovate, and finding purpose in the Sengii product. 

Pandemic life means for many of us that we have had to become audio-visual professionals. Along with all the stress of kids at home, COVID tests, and trips to the grocery store is the worry about what happens when technology goes wrong. And not just our computer systems, but what about binge watching Netflix and Hulu when your streaming no longer works. What about when technology rebels? Who is there to save us? 

Fortunately, John Day has an answer in the form of AVHero. Being born out of his early days as a member of the ‘nerd crew’ in the av club, John moved through Guitar Center to become an expert in all things audio-visual. He has rallied his fellow AV Club members to save the day for those who are in dire need of technological rescue. Now over 2000 AV Heros strong, John’s forces are here to help those who need it.

We talk about the psychology of disruption as new approaches are introduced to established domains. We also discuss how the gig economy has been leveraged by creatives to help fund and fuel their visions and art. We revisit how his start of doing audio production at his church has now become a way for persons across the country to get help in their homes. Finally, we find out about John’s award winning music video, and how confidence on the stage is the same as confidence in innovation. 

The good news and bad news of a connected world is that we are more connected. In that lies the question of how we create and maintain meaningful connections that feel real. Given the ‘flame wars’, tribalism and trolling of Twitter and Facebook, it can be difficult to find threads of humanism in the digital age. 

To explore these questions, we have on today’s show Ken Gordon, Principal Communications Specialists at EPAM Continuum. EPAM Continuum, located in Boston, has an over 30 year history of delivering design solutions for clients across industries. It is Ken’s job to communicate the work they do, the successes they have, and to create content that stimulates thought and engages readers.

We chat with Ken not only about his current work, but his journey through working with the Partnership for Excellence in Jewish Education, his teaching of creative writing, and his work as a freelance author. We also explore the challenges of conducting ethnographic-based design work in a pandemic, and how EPAM Continuum maintains their unique approach in virtual environments. Finally, we discuss keeping a beginner’s mind and democratic innovation working with clients, as well as how to create psychological safety to encourage creative solutions.

As the saying goes, the only constant in life is change. Or as the song goes, The Times They are a’Changing. But if so much of life is change, why are we so bad at handling it? Why do people, and organizations resist change so much? And how can we not only implement change, but better manage and embrace it?

To answer some of these questions, we talk with Sue Harvey of New Direction Strategy. If there is one thing that Sue knows about, it is change. Her early career found her working as the Deputy Communications Director for Minority Leader Rep. Richard Gephardt, to working with the new Republican House majorities led by Rep. Newt Gingrich. She then changed to work with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Massachusetts, trying to navigate the changing waters of the healthcare system. She now finds herself working with organizations as a strategic thinker, change management expert, and coach. 

We also talk about her Wonder Woman Award  from the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus, but that did not come with an invisible plane or golden lasso, which is disappointing. 

Issues of racial equity, and institutionalized discrimination, have long been at the center of customer experience, and the right of people to be seen as customers. Today’s podcast is a recording of an event from the end of July on ‘Inspiring Racial Equity: How CX Professionals Can Guide Their Organizations to Tackle This Urgent Issue.” The event was a joint effort of the Boston and Atlanta chapters of the Customer Experience Professionals Association. There was a tremendous team of folks from both chapters who worked together to put on this event. Most of the folks involved, including me, would be considered to be ‘allies.’ By that I mean people who may not have to suffer the daily indignities of structural racism and discrimination, but see it as a malevolent force that needs to be directly confronted and addressed in whatever quarters possible. For this group, the field of engagement is the organization, and what can customer experience professionals do to change these internal dynamics, which hopefully will contribute to a broader social change. 

The panelist, who include Sandy Mathis, Stephanie C. Harris, and Thomas Houston, all bring a range of professional and personal experience on this topic. Join us in learning from the panelists regarding how to help inspire racial equity in organization, and deliver better experience for diverse audience. 

Higher education’s imminent demise has been long forecast, with a number of factors contributing to this terminal condition. The cost of higher education in the United States is unparalleled in the world, with the average in-state cost of even public universities increasing 63% since 2008. This growth has outpaced all other price indices by far. The fundamental model of higher education has also been called into question. The concept of domain-specific expertise and apprenticeship has been accused of being out of pace with a world where people will change (and lose) jobs many times over. Advances in technology similarly call into question the necessity of human instruction, with artificial intelligence and other new forms of communication and education potentially threatening the traditional centrality of professors. These concerns have been amplified in recent years by a growing chorus of business leaders declaring that “you don’t need a college degree to be successful’. And, of course, the COVID-19 era is now an additional factor in this equation, with students suing their schools for going online midsemester, and institutions facing massive budgetary shortfalls with the spectre of broad scale distance learning in the fall.

And yet: social institutions have remarkable resilience. Is the death of higher education greatly exaggerated? Are we witnessing the steady demise of this cornerstone of the American dream, or just witnessing its transformation? What will higher education look like in 5 years? How can the glacially-paced higher education world stay relevant in an agile world?

Listen to our panel of experts explore these topics in a fun and free-wheeling conversation about the death and re-birth of higher education.

Looking at the Life Celebration website, you might be surprised to discover that their business is funeral memorial services. But with the bright colors and designs comes a philosophy of elevating memorial experiences to another level. The realization that funerals had become too routine (and, well, lifeless) led our guest Jim Cummings on a quest to not only provide unique experiences, but also learn from Joe Pine and Jim Gilmore and receive Experience Economy Expert Certification. 

In this episode, we talk about how funeral directors are really community organizers, and how funerals are in many ways an opportunity to bring people together. We also discuss the cast of characters that he has met in his experience design journey, and what he has learned from other industries. We explore how his journey started with a couple of guys from Philly starting trouble, and how that has expanded to a national network of funeral homes working with Life Celebration. 

During the pandemic, people have been trying to find ways to fill their time, often by pursuing hobbies they always wanted to pursue. One such hobby is learning how to play guitar. Who better to talk about teaching guitar online, as well as designing online learning experiences, than Justin Sandercoe, also known as JustinGuitar. Justin is one of the top 10 YouTubers in the United Kingdom through his online guitar instruction forum. Justin’s site has had triple the traffic during the lockdown with people of all kinds trying to fulfill their guitar dreams, reaching almost one million unique visitors in one month alone.

We dig into the experience of creating engaging online learning experiences and teaching to guitar students of all levels, and talk about his blanket as a transitional object and now a key feature of his brand. We also discuss how having a ‘beginner’s mind’ is important for any teacher, and how learning left-handed gives him greater empathy for beginners (and with luck more empathy for left handed people).

Megan Burns has been involved in analyzing organizational efforts to create better customer experiences for over 20 years. From her early days at Forrester, to now with her own consultancy called Experience Enterprises, Megan knows how to approach an experience ecosystem, and importantly how to help organizations change to reach their experience goals. In 2014, she developed the Customer Experience Index to guide organizations across many industry benchmark and improve their own customer experiences. But more than that, Megan helps organizations transform their cultures to put both customers and employees at the center of their missions.

In this episode Megan talks about how a self-proclaimed ‘word nerd’ gets organizations to understand how words and terms can drive the wrong messages without even knowing it. We also explore how the human brain is the ultimate legacy technology, as well as how to upgrade your brain without it crashing. Finally, we talk about how companies are in an ‘experience race,’ and how many should stand down to focus on what customers and employees actually want.

Overall, it is about identifying those Moments of Change™, and how organization can put themselves in a position to take advantage of them to create better experiences.

Megan Burns on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/meganburns/

Experience Enterprises - http://www.experienceenterprises.com

Intro Music - The Tall Pines - “The Key”

Ending Music - Ketsa - ”Dreaming Days”

My first jobs were in restaurants washing dishes and busing tables.  I would go on to do other jobs in restaurants, including cooking, waiting on tables, hosting on occasion. I think working in restaurants is a great first job because it teaches you to deal with people, and work in collaboration with different functions. So no matter what you do in a restaurant, it is a great experience to prepare for life. 

While I for sure was ‘cooking,’ I wouldn’t call myself a “cook.” And definitely wouldn’t consider myself being a “chef.” I was just a person following instructions and performing it in a way that was consistent with expectations. I was told how to prepare something, and I followed those instructions. I know that not everyone can accomplish that, but I don’t consider it a great mark of distinction. 

Being able to successfully combine ingredients in a way that is proscribed is another one of those life lessons that can be applied in a lot of areas. Including organizational leadership.

Organizations after all  are just assemblies of ingredients. There are proscribed ways of putting these organizational ingredients together. Accountants go in the accounting department. Sales people in sales. Marketers in marketing. Etc. And these people sit in the same areas as each other, and they do the work that is related to their areas. And on it goes. That doesn’t take a lot of visionary ability. It typically is the way it goes in all organizations. 

Now if you think of the ingredients right now in your kitchen, there are the staples that you typically rely on and use. You are comfortable with them and know how to deploy them. There are also those things that are seldom used, and you even forget you have. I’m thinking here of the spices I have that I forgot I have and never get included. There also is the stuff in the shelves and freezer that got buried, or maybe I got to use once. So lots of ingredients with no clear idea of what to do with them. There used to be a show with Chef Alton Brown where he would just go into someone’s house and make a meal with what was there. That’s talent.

On today’s episode, we welcome someone who knows about putting things together, something about how leaders use ingredients, and something about food. Dr. James Shin got his PhD from Penn State in Industrial Engineering, writing a dissertation that looks at (in part) simplicity versus complexity in the design process. Part of what he learned is that if we minimize the problems from the start, they can become more manageable, allowing us to make more progress. 

Rather than go the academic route, he went into industry given his interest in applying knowledge to practical problems. Working in a global organization, he also learned how approaches used by different cultures may work in that particular culture, but may not work as well in other cultures and contexts. Another thing he learned from his global work is that middle management is typically overstressed and underappreciated no matter where in the world they are located. 

We talk about his new book “The Leader’s Soul: 52 Reflections for Unlocking Your Inner Leader.” In it, he looks at his own upbringing in South Korea, moving to the US as part of his PhD completion, his journey through corporate America, and his return to Asia in capacities that included speaking at universities. 

We also talk about his company Blue Koi, and how the koi fish symbolizes growth. However, as he shares, the best kind of sustainable growth occurs not necessarily through focusing on rapid achievement, but through pacing ourselves in our efforts and life. He also reflects on the importance of nuance, and how he had to break from the black and white thinking that can be more prominent in engineering and how humans need to be factored into design. 

And there was some conversation about preparing food, and the importance of not just using the right ingredients, but using the ingredients you have in creative ways.

Blue Koi: https://www.bluekoiglobal.com/

James Shin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-j-shin/

"The Leader's Soul": https://www.amazon.com/Leaders-Soul-James-Shin/dp/1963701534

We live in an experience economy, where experience channels abound in business. Whether customer, user, patient, employee, or something else, we are facing expanded opportunities to create and design experiences. Given this emergent reality, why are not more colleges and universities developing programs in experience design?

To explore this question, Neil Lundberg and Mat Duerden visit the Experience by Design studios to talk about how their program in Experience Design and Management started at the Marriott School of Management, located at Brigham Young University.

We discuss the origins of the program in transformative leisure experiences, and how whitewater rafting trips helped to establish a foundation in experience design. We also examine what kinds of content should be part of a program in experience design, and what skills and perspectives do students absolutely need to know. Finally, we look toward future growth of experience design programs, and the need expressed by employers to hire graduates of these programs.

Durell Coleman has for a long time been interested in how to create inventions and entrepreneurial opportunities to create social change. With an early interest in engineering, sparked by working on cars and home improvement with his dad, Durell followed that passion to Stanford University. Connecting an engineering degree with sustainable design through the famed d.school, Durell has followed that path from the forests of Nicaragua to the criminal justice system of the United States. Through his company, DC Design, Durell and his team have worked with an impressive array of clients and projects, including “governments, foundations, non-profits, companies and those they serve to shift entrenched systems toward paradigms that function better for everyone. He has worked to redesign aspects of the foster care system, develop new approaches to criminal justice reform, reimagine healthcare service models, create apps that connect communities, and develop new educational models for the 21st century.”

In our conversation, we dig into what is social design, and how everyone can be a part of designing for a better world. Durell tells us how he deals with the challenges of systems design when you have different groups that don't necessarily have the same goals. Through his work on wind turbines, we explore how design can be used to not just to create a product, but create an infrastructure where people acquire the skills and tools to manage and sustain change themselves. During a time where a lot of discussion is being had around social change, Durell's work shows us a way forward in using design thinking to create opportunities for social impact.

Given all the challenges we are dealing with as a society right now, talking about bikes might seem unimportant. However, in fact, the topic of cycling, exercise, and inclusive environments is exactly on topic for this moment. Today’s guest is Lindsay Goldman, who was a professional cyclist as well as Director of Marketing for USA Cycling. Since our conversation, she has moved on to become the Director of Marketing at Eliel Cycling, as well as Wattie Ink. Linsday also was the Owner and GM of Hagens Berman Supermint Pro Cycling, a  professional cycling team.

While recorded before the pandemic and protests for Black Lives Matter and against police brutality, many of the themes we cover have resonance with the larger discussions going on right now. We explore the structural challenges toward getting women involved in cycling, and efforts to change that. Do women feel safe cycling in public? Is the broader cycling ‘community’ a welcoming environment? How are female athletic bodies viewed in culture and society? How do we make roads safer for cyclists? What role can a national organization like USAC play in that, and to what extent do we also have to be the change?

 These are just some of the questions we could ask around this topic of how to increase diversity and inclusion of women in cycling.

Friend and colleague Mike Goldberg comes by the Experience by Design studios to talk about his career in design. Mike’s career extends back a long way, with 27 years teaching graphic and web design at the college level, and 37 years of professional award winning graphic and web design experience. Some of his past clients include marketing and advertising campaigns for the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Major League Baseball, IBM, Fidelity, and The Wall Street Journal.

Beyond that, and for those old enough to remember video games like Frogger and Qbert, Mike was on the team that turned those arcade games into video games for early home gaming systems. Mike also was there to work on Lucas Film games like Return of the Jedi in an 8x8 pixel environment. 

Mike also has innovated in areas of experiential learning, creating an in-house design company at Bentley University, called IDCC Design House Studios, where students work on projects to create web and graphic design for clients. His own design story centers around how one mentor made a difference in his life, and he’s definitely paying it forward with his students today. 

On today’s podcast we hit the following points:

-From whence does creative come, and how to create a culture of innovation;
-How circuitous career paths can be much better than linear ones;
-How to innovate experiential learning and curriculum design to improve student and faculty experiences;
-And finally, how the important element of teaching design is to give students permission to be creative, and make them believe in the process.

Patient experience is an ever-expanding area of work as hospitals, especially in the US, try to compete for higher patient scores to not lose valuable reimbursement. It is perhaps understandable that a lot of attention in the patient experience is directed at the point of care, and what happens when a patient is receiving treatment. However, such a view is dangerously myopic. There is a lot more that goes into the patient experience than what happens when seeing a doctor a nurse. There is the entire patient journey from symptoms to schedule to arrival to appointment to diagnosis to payment and many many more steps in between all of this. 

And even that doesn’t capture the whole story. Along with patient experience are the employee experiences of those who work in the healthcare context. Thus, rather than just thinking in terms of a patient experience we are really thinking of a healthcare experience that encompasses an ecosystem as complex as the healthcare institution itself.

To help untangle this, we have on today’s podcast Steve Koch, Senior Vice President and Co-Founder of Cast and Hue. Cast and Hue is a consulting company that focuses a lot of its business in the healthcare space. They describe themselves as integrating “empathy, observation, behavioral psychology, and technology” to “cast a light on the people you serve and gain a deep understanding of their perspectives.” Using human-centered design methodologies, Cast and Hue seeks to co-create solutions with their clients to help them better understand their complete environments and then design approaches to develop better experiences. 

"You gotta slow down to go fast" - Douglas Ferguson

Voltage Control president, design thinking facilitator and innovation coach Douglas Ferguson recently published a book called Beyond the Prototype that aims to help teams and organizations (and individuals!) go from generating awesome ideas to implementing them. Over the course of our conversation we cover:

• the power of systems thinking
• seeing variables in the design ecosystem
• facilitation as model through systems thinking
• The connections between organizations and society. 
• HR departments using design thinking to point the lens inward
• Caution that when we compress ideas there is opportunity to meaning to be lost
• Why facilitation is such a crucial role
  • for example, realizing if you’re using one word to mean two things, or two words to mean the same thing - skilled facilitating brings these discrepancies and differences in meaning into focus for teams to help them overcome roadblocks in understanding
• Why so many start up founders get stuck on the idea of scale rather versus pursuing a smaller, but passion-driven idea
• How design facilitation sessions are about harnessing the power of the child’s mind - playful energy
• and debriefing as a crucial stage in any process: can you answer the question of why did we did this?

Links and Resources mentioned in today's episode

voltagecontrol.com

beyondtheprototype.com

startwithin.com

Beyond the Prototype book

Jake Knapp - Sprint: How to Solve Big Problems and Test New Ideas in Just Five Days

Greg Satell - Cascades: How to Create a Movement that Drives Transformational Change

David Epstein - Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World

Gary and Gio go a long way back to 2013 when Gio was a student in Sociology of Sports and later did an internship with CBS Sports where he paired music with sports highlights. From these humble beginnings began a career in media working with some big shows and performers, where today Gio LoMonaco is a Coordinator of Music and Media Licensing at Viacom. Whether watching a movie, or streaming a show, or tuning into a sporting event or highlights, music is an integral part of what we experience, and how we experience it. So how is music selected and how does it get incorporated into what we watch? How does the vibe of the show or sport relate to different kinds of music? What happens if you have the wrong music pairing for a show? Gary and Gio talk about the "old days" at Bentley University, the intricacies of music licensing, how music can set the mood for a  show, and working with Lights Out with David Spade. 

Before COVID-19, the criminal justice system was cracking under its own weight. Now, those cracks have started to spread. Police are changing how they perform their duties based on the virus, limiting pro-active policing and placing N95 masks next to Kevlar vests as safety equipment. Courts are shutting down based, suspending trials and releasing those awaiting trial. Prisons are facing a potential major crisis with outbreaks looming and emerging behind the walls. What we are seeing happen today is not surprising given that we incarcerate more people by far than any other industrialized country in the world. But just because it is not surprising does not mean it should be acceptable. 

Attorney Marissa Bluestine comes by the Experience by Design studios to talk about her work in the criminal justice system, and what can be done to design a better system. While today’s episode was recorded before the COVID-19 outbreak, we do examine the issues around the criminal justice system. From her founding of the Pennsylvania Innocence Project, to her current work with as an Assistant Director of the Quattrone Center for the Fair Administration of Justice at the University of Pennsylvania, we explore what a just criminal justice system would look like. 

It is not surprising to hear that everyone’s state of anxiety is pretty high. We are all facing a very uncertain future. Turning on the news, which I recommend doing only in moderation, it is easy to get caught up in the frightening images and metrics as the pandemic spreads. Enter digital psychiatry and e-mental health tools. Technically speaking, digital psychiatry refers to any electronic device or mechanism through which people can get information about or assistance with their mental health. And it might be the future of mental health care

But what does this mean for patients and the clinicians, as well as caregivers and healthcare professionals? Besides, does any of this stuff work? How does it impact the clinical workflow and clinical profession? And what does it mean for privacy and security?

To help answer these questions and more, we have Dr. John Torous, psychiatrist and Director of the BIDMC Digital Psychiatry Clinic. John has been engaged in this topic for some time, and is one of the leaders in the field. He also created the LAMP app, an open-source tool that clinicians and patients can use to track symptoms and onset of chronic mental illness. You can say he knows a lot about digital psychiatry.

John drops by the Experience by Design studio to talk digital psychiatry, COVID-19 responses, and the future of clinical mental health. Hope you enjoy our discussion. 

Shelley White is an Assistant Professor of Public Health and Sociology, and Program Director of the Master of Public Health.

Meenakshi Verma-Agrawal is the Assistant Program Director and Associate Professor of Practice at MPH@Simmons.

What a difference a week makes. Or does it? With the expanding pandemic of COVID-19 disrupting more lives, many here in the United States might feel caught off guard, or that things have changed to rapidly. Now health care is a constant concern.

What Shelley White and Meenakshi Verma-Agrawal help us put in perspective is that even though we can all get sick, public health and care has always been political, and who has access to care, and even what diagnoses one gets, have been deeply tied to class, race, ethnicity and other socioeconomic classifications. Public health, in fact, is designed. Moments of pandemic, where a virus crosses borders and bodies with no care for the social structures we’ve erected, brings to light the radically unequal way our public health systems are designed. For middle class families who find themselves for the first time concerned about the lack of available health care or beds at a hospital, must now contend with the fact that this is a common reality for many poorer communities and communities of color.

But moments of crisis like this are also moments of hope. As Dr. White notes in the conversation, we have to remember that there are more people who seek equity and change than those who benefit from the status quo. What's radical is to acknowledge the racial, social, and economic injustices that frame our public health system and to then set about to change those inequities for a more just world. 

One bit of news that caught my attention was the declining trust that the American public has in higher education over the last decade. In good news, Gallup found that trust did increase from 2024 to 2025. However, it is still markedly down from 2015. Not surprisingly, those levels of trust differ by political affiliation, as most things seem to different by political affiliation nowadays. 

Another study by Pew states that young adults are increasingly questioning the value of a four-year college degree, especially when looking at the cost of it. This is coupled with smaller four-year liberal arts institutions because of declining enrollment. There are a number of factors for this, but a main one is whether such an education adequately prepares one for a successful future, or whether it is really necessary at all. 

But if not higher education, then what? Where are 18 year olds supposed to go after they graduate high school? 

It is true that skilled tradespeople are in demand and can lead to a career. In fact, there is an increase in the number of people entering trade school and vocational programs. That for sure is great news.

Another pathway for young adults is joining the military. Those numbers have been increasing as well, reversing a long-term trend of declining enlistments. However, less than 1% of Americans are on active duty. The current overall veteran population is only 7.4%. The larger question still remains of whether being in the military can adequately prepare a person for life and a career after serving?

My guest today on Experience by Design podcast thinks so. Lee Pepper has served in the military, and he also has worked in business. He sees a lot of connections between the two, which he wrote in his book “Never Outmatched: Military Strategies to Lead, Innovate, and Win in the Modern Marketing Battlefield,” which I will say I have read and is pretty great. 

We talk about how innovation doesn’t mean throwing everything out, but new applications in current environments given emergent tools. He describes how he seeks to mentor soldiers who are struggling after the military to help them apply what they learned in the service to life outside of it. He translates how military speak can be translated into corporate speak to help increase those connections. 

Lee also talks about how these lessons can be applicable to everyone looking to improve innovation, strategy, and leadership. He also relates his marketing work for a recovery and treatment facility, and what he learned from that environment and how lifetime relationships can help for long-term recovery. 

Finally, he shares his experience about being a docent in an art museum, and how his wife’s art work relates to his own creativity, risk taking, and innovative inspiration. 

Lee Pepper LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leepepper/

Never Outmatch Book: https://www.neveroutmatched.com/

Gigaom CEO, publisher and author of "The Fourth Age: Smart Robots, Conscious Computers, and the Future of Humanity" stops by virtually to chat with host Adam Gamwell and guest host Astrid Countee to help us make sense of just what Artificial Intelligence is, what are its promises and limits, and what this means for the possibilities of conscious computing and smart robots. Byron breaks down the philosophies behind our ways of thinking about AI in way that gives us new social tools to approach the deep technological revolution we are undergoing in a more human and even optimistic manner.

Website: https://byronreese.com/

Twitter: @byronreese

Facebook: @byronreese

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/byronreese

We meet a lot of people who say they want to do a podcast, and in fact they are technologically easy to produce. Getting listeners is another matter altogether. And getting listeners pay for content is a totally different proposition. The  podcast landscape is pretty saturated, with as many options as stars in the sky. How then can podcast producers create listener experiences that their audiences are willing to pay for? 

Our guest for today, Amira Valliani, has some thoughts on how to meet this challenge.. Amira is the co-founder and CEO of Glow.fm. As they describe themselves, “Glow is the best, most flexible way to build your podcast’s membership program.”  We talk about what led her to create Glow.fm out of covering local politics in Cambridge, MA. We discuss the more than 800,000 podcasts that exist worldwide, and how storytelling has forever been our primary mode of self-expression. Finally, we explore both the professionalization of podcasting, as well as its democratizing effects of giving everyone a voice who wants to use it. 

Loans have a fascinating cultural property. We might think of ‘loan sharks’ as the present-day manifestation of the ancient pronouncements against taking advantage of people through the giving of loans. More generally, people who handle money in some cultures are seen as ‘unclean.’ So, the topic of loans and lending is by no means a new one.This makes tackling the ‘loan experience’ a unique challenge, and one that the company Lightstream is taking head-on. 

To learn more, Adam and I chatted with Kristin Shuff, who is the Senior VP of marketing at Lightstream. We hear how Kristin grew up reading Ad Age and early on being captivated by the characters she knew and loved being created by ad agencies. We also discuss how ‘omni-channel’ marketing doesn’t automatically mean ALL channels. Kristin describes how customer and employee centricity are central to mapping a loan experience that correlates for why people are getting loans, and how providing loan information beyond interest rates is a key to their branding efforts.