Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) are a HAES®-aligned dietitian and therapist, respectively, who are passionate about dismantling the intersectional barriers to embodiment within the context of the matrix of domination. In this show, they interview professionals and those with lived experience alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer place for those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces. EFTROU is currently publishing season 4 every month on the first Thursdays of each month through April 2025.
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Season 4 Wrap-Up Episode: Words of the Year, Renewed Unmasking, and Season 5 Coming in 2026 - EFTROU: S4Ep12
Episode 48
Thursday, April 17, 2025 • Duration 31:22
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 12: Season 4 Wrap-Up
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up season 4 by reviewing their words of the year for 2024 and 2025, renewed invitations for unmasking while recording, re-commitments to anti-oppression, and season 5 coming in 2026!
Content Warning: Mention of the multiple genocides occurring globally
Deep Dive: Relating Across Difference, Murmuration as Metaphor, and a Sacred Unmasking with Nikki Haggett - EFTROU: S4, Ep11
Episode 47
Thursday, February 20, 2025 • Duration 01:37:30
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 11: Nikki Haggett
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Nikki Haggett (they/she) in a deep dive about relating across difference, murmuration as metaphor, and a sacred unmasking.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally,discussion of fascism, mention of childhood sexual abuse
A Clinically Fat Ass and Passion Projects, Part 2 with Dr. Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep10
Episode 46
Thursday, December 19, 2024 • Duration 01:42:25
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 10: Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD (she/her) about her embodiment journey! Specifically we talk about having a clinically fat ass and passion projects (aka the dissertation Doctor Fox just defended last Tuesday!!!)
Dr. Rachel Fox is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at Grand Valley State University. She is also a Kroner Family Fellow, Judith and Neil Morgan Fellow, and UC President's Dissertation Year Fellow in the Communication Department, Science Studies Program, and Critical Gender Studies Graduate Specialization at UC San Diego. Her dissertation will be available as an open access document in 1 or 2 months from this episode’s publication. She holds a BA in Biology from Wesleyan University, an MS in Narrative Medicine from Columbia University, and an MA in Communication from UC San Diego. Her research has been published in the Fat Studies Journal, Women’s Studies: An Interdisciplinary Journal, and the Journal of Applied Social Psychology. In 2021, she joined the Centre for Fat Liberation and Scholarship as an Inaugural Junior Fellow. Her research critically examines how anti-obesity efforts drive anti-fatness in the US and how the field of weight stigma research perpetuates anti-fatness through its refusal to divest from an anti-obesity agenda.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs), discussion of ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis)
Trigger Warnings:
This episode uses the word “obesity” throughout without being bleeped.
Fat Embodiment as in Living a Whole Ass Fat Life, Part 1 with Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep9
Episode 45
Thursday, December 5, 2024 • Duration 01:32:52
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 9: Rachel Fox
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Rachel Fox (she/her) about her embodiment journey
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs)
Trigger Warnings:
This episode will use the word obesity throughout without being bleeped.
Deep Dive Part 2: Intertwining Stories, Parties Not Lectures, and Blanket Forts as Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep7
Episode 43
Thursday, July 18, 2024 • Duration 01:19:49
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering
Deep Dive Part 1: Capitalist Mythology, the Comfort of Power, and Depth + Clarity as a Container for Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep6
Episode 42
Thursday, July 4, 2024 • Duration 02:15:22
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Deep Dive Part 1: Attending and Attuning to the Body, Unconscious Contracts with the Systems that Affect Us, and Loving Accountability with Michelle Phillips - EFTROU: S4, Ep5
Episode 41
Thursday, June 6, 2024 • Duration 01:09:04
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability.
Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the
Embodying Self-Care Beyond Bath Bombs, Disability Access and Community, and the Isolation of Embodiment with Imani Barbarin - EFTROU: S4, Ep4
Episode 40
Thursday, May 9, 2024 • Duration 01:28:28
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 4: Imani Barbarin
Chavonne (she/her), Jenn (she/they), and Maya (she/her) interviewed Imani (she/her/hers) about her embodiment journey.
Imani Barbarin is a disability rights and inclusion activist and speaker who uses her voice and social media platforms to create conversations engaging the disability community. Born with cerebral palsy, Imani often writes and uses her platform to speak from the perspective of a disabled Black woman. In the last few years she has created over a dozen trending hashtags that allow disabled folk the opportunity to have their perspectives heard while forcing the world to take notice. #PatientsAreNotFaking, #ThingsDisabledPeopleKnow, #AbledsAreWeird and others each provide a window into disabled life while forming community. Imani is from the Philadelphia area and holds a Masters in Global Communications from the American University of Paris, her published works include those in Forbes, Rewire, Healthline, BitchMedia and more. She runs the blog CrutchesAndSpice.com and a podcast of the same name.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of medicalized racism, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, mentions of ableism, mentions of suicide, discussion of ageism
Trigger Warnings:
58:30: Imani discusses weight loss surgery and eating disorders
Energy is Precious, Limitations as Embodiment, and Unlearning Categorization with Niyera Hewlett - EFTROU: S4, Ep3
Episode 39
Thursday, April 4, 2024 • Duration 01:28:40
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 3: Niyera Hewlett
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Niyera (they/them) about their embodiment journey.
Niyera (they/them) is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in New Mexico and North Carolina who supervises counseling students, social work students, and licensed associates. They founded a queer and neurodivergent affirming mental health agency in Albuquerque that can be found at: youmeandtherapy.com. They work from an anti-oppressive, relational lens that helps inform how they approach supervision and therapy. They specialize in working with marginalized communities, complex trauma, dissociation, and much more. They are a trans non-binary neurodivergent human of Middle Eastern descent, raised by an immigrant mother. They reside in New Mexico with their spouse, two children, and three cats. In their spare time, they spend a lot of time imagining and writing fantasy stories as a special interest.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
Trigger Warnings:
53:24: Chavonne uses “crazy” in a way that is ableist.
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A few highlights:
3:54: Niyera shares their understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
9:28: Niyera discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices
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