I'm Sarah Fox and this is Do Good and Do Well, a podcast for purpose driven leaders and founders exploring how you can make a positive contribution without burning out. Join me as I talk to people about ways we can do good in our work and businesses, about how we can lean into our values and what matters and take care of ourselves in the process.
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Sustainable Travel Made Simple with Catherine Mack
Episode 71
Monday, June 16, 2025 • Duration 01:04:08
Hello, and welcome to the new and improved Do Good and Do Well podcast!
In this episode, I speak with Catherine Mack, a travel writer with nearly two decades of experience in ethical and sustainable travel. I was wrestling with the dilemma of wanting to explore the world with my children while holding onto my values of community and responsibility to the planet. This conversation with Catherine brought a sense of hope, exploring how we can travel in a way that has a positive impact. We delve into alternatives to mass tourism, the power of slow travel, and how our choices as travellers can create meaningful change.
Key Takeaways
Slow Travel is Sustainable Travel: Slowing down allows for a deeper, more responsible travel experience. This involves reading about your destination beforehand, including its responsible tourism issues, to manage expectations and travel with an open mind.
The Power of the Traveller: Travellers have the power to influence change in the tourism industry. By making conscious choices and using social media to voice concerns, such as the impact of cruise ships, we can encourage tourist boards to move beyond a numbers-driven approach.
Engage with Local People: Making an effort to speak with local people can transform your travel experience. It fosters a genuine cultural exchange and reminds us that we are guests in their homes. Referring to them as "local people" rather than "the locals" is a simple but powerful way to show respect.
Think Beyond the City Break: Many cities have incredible natural landscapes and walking or cycling trails on their doorstep. Extending your trip to explore these areas supports local economies beyond the tourist hotspots and offers a richer experience.
Episode Highlights
04:35 Catherine shares what led her to become a travel writer focusing on ethical and responsible tourism.
08:35 The moment Catherine realised the profound impact of tourism on local communities, particularly through her work on a story about the Maasai in Kenya.
15:15 The concept of "slow travel" and how reading about a destination in depth before visiting can lead to a more meaningful journey.
18:40 Discussing the complexities of flying and suggesting alternatives to carbon offsetting, like supporting local conservation charities.
40:15 The significance of language and referring to "local people" instead of "the locals" to foster respect and connection.
About the Guest
Catherine Mack has spent nearly two decades writing about ethical and sustainable travel for publications such as The Guardian, National Geographic Traveller, and The Independent. 17 She is the author of Eco Scape Island and is the content manager for The Natural Adventure, a company specialising in walking and cycling holidays. 18
This episode was written and recorded by me and produced by Lucy Lucraft (lucylucraft.co.uk).
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Speak Up, Share Your Story: Finding Your Voice with Siobhan Strode
Episode 70
Monday, May 12, 2025 • Duration 46:14
In this episode, I had a brilliant conversation with Siobhan Strode, an advocacy consultant, mentor for change-makers, and the founder of This Sister Speaks. With her rich background in communications, education, activism, and politics, Siobhan helps people and organisations find their confidence, raise their voices, and make real, lasting change.
We talked about the incredible power that comes from sharing your own story, the importance of leading from your core values, and the idea that true leadership begins with understanding who you are and what you stand for. Siobhan shared such valuable insights into how we, as purpose-driven leaders, can speak up confidently, build movements that truly matter, and create change that endures. This conversation is a reminder that doing good and doing well isn't about having the loudest voice, but about having one that is clear, honest, and true to you.
Key Takeaways
Your Story is Powerful: Sharing our experiences, even the ones we think are small or ordinary, is a vital act. It helps combat the historical erasure of women's voices and builds connection.
Lead as Yourself: Trying to fit a mould or maintain a purely 'professional' front can squash us down. Leading authentically, embracing all parts of who we are and what we care about, builds trust and attracts the right opportunities.
Find Your Sisterhood: Having a community of people who support you is crucial. These spaces offer solidarity, a place to practise using your voice, receive constructive feedback, and gain the confidence to take risks.
Small Ripples Make Waves: You don't have to run for Parliament to make a difference (though Siobhan did!). Speaking up against injustice or apathy, even in seemingly small ways like challenging a comment or sharing your perspective, creates a ripple effect and shows others what's possible.
Sustain Your Energy: Activism and change-making require energy. Looking after ourselves through rest, getting outdoors, setting boundaries, asking for help, and nurturing connections isn't a luxury; it's essential for sustaining our efforts long-term.
Episode Highlights
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061 Learning about ourselves, with Gemma Woffinden
Season 5 · Episode 61
Monday, July 24, 2023 • Duration 51:21
This week's Do Good & Do Well guest is the fantastic Gemma Woffinden.
Gemma is a passionate theatre maker, producer and facilitator with over 20 years of experience in working with children and young people in a variety of contexts. Gemma is also currently the Speak Up producer at Theatre Royal Wakefield leading work with the National Theatre and the Drama Coach at Opera North.
Her mission is to support young people, early career artists and facilitators by signposting them to range of creative pathways to help demystify the theatre industry and open it up to underrepresented future artists.
Such a pleasure to talk to Gemma. We had a really open and honest conversation that I think will resonate with many of you. We talked about:
Why Gemma loves drama, theatre and working with young people
060 Co-leadership with Dr Claire Antrobus and Sandeep Mahal
Season 5 · Episode 60
Monday, July 17, 2023 • Duration 01:05:10
On this week's episode of Do Good & Do Well, I've got not one, but two guests: Dr Claire Antrobus and Sandeep Mahal!
It was an absolute delight to welcome Claire and Sandeep onto the podcast to talk all about co-leadership. And we covered a lot in our chat! We talked about:
what is co-leadership and why is it important?
how co-leadership can respond to systemic inequalities in the arts and cultural sector
what it's like to be part of a co-leadership model
the benefits of co-leadership including wellbeing, equity and inclusion
why equity is at the heart of what we do thing
how co-leadership can improve profit, resilience and stability
what co-leadership has to do with freelancing
what are the risks and how to overcome them
what to include if you're suggesting shared leadership with the board or in an interview process
059 Generosity, art and finding commonality, with Victoria Powell
Season 5 · Episode 59
Monday, July 10, 2023 • Duration 55:06
My guest on the podcast this week is the wonderful Dr Victoria Powell. Victoria is a writer and lecturer in modern and contemporary art. In 2021 she set up The Gallery Companion, a Substack publication which explores the ideas about life, culture, history and politics that you find in art. She aims to break down the perception that contemporary art is hard to understand by avoiding confusing art speak and talking about it in language that makes sense.
In today's episode:
Why Victoria's teaching, writing and podcast matters in engaging discussion and debate in a respectful way
Finding the things we have in common to bring people together and increase understanding
Personal experiences of rejection and how that impacts the work
What you can get from art if you allow yourself to be unsure
How the Gallery Companion got started
Building your voice from starting small and imagining you're writing or speaking to one person
Not chasing the money and finding the value in other ways
Joys and opportunities of podcasting
Investment in each other and generosity of spirit.
058 Purpose, the how and starting with self, with Tom Andrews
Season 5 · Episode 58
Thursday, June 22, 2023 • Duration 55:57
This week, on Do Good & Do Well, I'm chatting with Tom Andrews.
Tom is Head of Member Support at ACEVO supporting Chief Executives of charities and social enterprises. He is the founder and ex-CEO of two pioneering charities: Music for Change and People United. Tom is a qualified coach and counsellor and enjoys inventing games, ambient music, silent retreats and football.
Things we talk about:
The thread through Tom's working life that hasn't been planned but that come from purpose
How do you go from idea to action and keep going in the early days of setting up
What lessons Tom learned from setting up an organisation that he wants to remember
How to 'stay in your own lane' when you have loads of ideas
Why the question 'how' is so important when the drive is for outputs, outcomes, targets etc.
What the challenges are for charity leaders right now?
Remembering the joy and what is going well is important
Starting with self first to enable things to really happen
Is it possible to put yourself first when you're tackling social justice?
057 Curiosity, conversation and having someone on your side with Fleur Emery
Season 5 · Episode 57
Thursday, June 15, 2023 • Duration 52:10
This week's episode of Do Good and Do Well is a chat with the wonderful Fleur Emery!
Fleur Emery is a fearless and informed start-up expert and the founder of REALWORK, the inclusive online membership, created to inspire and equip women to work, earn and live on their own terms.
Fleur founded REALWORK in June 2020 to deliver her own brand of practical, no-nonsense advice to other female founders and freelancers. So far the project has supported over 500 REALWORKers to make positive change in their businesses.
Some of the things we talk about:
What Fleur would like you to know to help you
The importance of curiosity, conversation and having someone on your side
Why Fleur thinks the podcast should be called something else
How following your curiosity and what you find easy might be the key
Setting examples in our homes to not pass on helplessness and be known
Can we stop abandoning ourselves?
What kind of fearless is that fearless?
What would happen if all women felt no shame or judgement?
What do you do when people contact you to 'just pick your brains'? Do you say yes, do you say no?
We often give so much away and this can make you feel resentful, not least because it often doesn't feel like a fair exchange. It feels tricky when bigger organisations ask and when it's a friend, it's hard to say no.
So, what can you do about it and how can you do it in a way that feels aligned to your values? Let's chat about it.
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