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Cutting Against The Grain
Laura Spath and Judy Cho
Frequency: 1 episode/8d. Total Eps: 113

Cutting Against the Grain is a podcast from Judy Cho (Nutrition with Judy) and Laura Spath. Both Judy and Laura understand the struggle when it comes to balancing ideal eating and real-life. In this podcast, these two friends share real talk about the world around them, especially topics around meat-based nutrition, diet, wellness, mental health, and community. Weekly, they explore hot topics in the nutrition and wellness space while sharing their own, real experiences so that you feel empowered to make the right decisions for you. If you're craving some real talk without any online filters, this podcast is for you.
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112. BTS of The Complete Carnivore Diet for Beginners
mercredi 9 août 2023 • Duration 56:52
Today's episode is sponsored by Paleovalley
Make sure to support this podcast and head over to Paleovalley to get 15% off your first order.
Thank you for supporting this podcast.
EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about the new Carnivore book, The Complete Carnivore Diet for Beginners, and being a "perfect" carnivore.
EPISODE NOTES
- Book announcement
- Why a beginner’s book
- Carnivore Cure vs. Carnivore Diet for Beginners
- Working with a publisher
- Why carnivore diet books are more difficult to write
- NwJ’s mission statement
- What’s next
- Does carnivore fix everything?
- Carnivore harder
- Carnivore + is key
- Carnivore recipes
- Carnivore perfection
- Pre-sale bonus for the book
RESOURCES:
SPONSORS:
- Paleovalley: https://paleovalley.com/promos/nwj for 15% off your order!
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JUDY'S RESOURCES:
- Nutrition with Judy Podcast
- Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
- Judy's Book, The Complete Carnivore Diet for Beginners
- Nutrition with Judy Articles
- Nutrition with Judy Resources
- Judy's Instagram
- Judy's YouTube
- Judy's Facebook
LAURA'S RESOURCES:
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice and is for educational purposes only. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
111. Deep Dive into Carnivore Blood Sugar and Insulin
mercredi 19 juillet 2023 • Duration 01:01:09
Today's episode is sponsored by Paleovalley
Make sure to support this podcast and head over to Paleovalley to get 15% off your first order.
Thank you for supporting this podcast.
EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode, Laura and Judy chat about blood sugar, glucose, A1c, and insulin levels on Carnivore
EPISODE NOTES
- Blood sugar and insulin
- A1c and Insulin
- What We’re Really Measuring
- What to Measure for Health
- Adding Carbs to Higher A1c
- Fructose, GGT, ALT, AST
- Children’s Bloodwork and NAFLD
- Red Pilled and Logical Thinking
- Carbs for Enjoyment vs Carbs for Fear
- Signs of Balanced Sugar
- Carb Threshold and Dairy
- The Body’s Biofeedback
RESOURCES:
SPONSORS:
- Paleovalley: https://paleovalley.com/promos/nwj for 15% off your order!
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JUDY'S RESOURCES:
- Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
- Nutrition with Judy Articles
- Nutrition with Judy Resources
- Judy's Instagram
- Nutrition with Judy Podcast
- Judy's YouTube
- Judy's Facebook
LAURA'S RESOURCES:
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice and is for educational purposes only. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
102. Ozempic (Semaglutide) for Weight Loss
mercredi 15 mars 2023 • Duration 57:53
Today's episode is sponsored by Paleovalley
Make sure to support this podcast and head over to Paleovalley to get 15% off your first order.
Thank you for supporting this podcast.
EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode, Laura and Judy talk about the trend of Ozempic, a GLP-1 weight loss drug.
EPISODE NOTES
- Glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1 agonist)
- The way Ozempic (Semaglutide) works
- Metformin for weight loss
- Risks of Ozempic use
- Hyperinsulinemia
- Acid reflux and gastroparesis
- Empathy
- Jennifer Aniston salad
- Obese kids
- The demise of our children
- The best way is through
- Laura and Judy’s shares
RESOURCES:
- Metformin and Weight Loss
- 2021 Once-Weekly Semaglutide in Adults with Overweight or Obesity Study
- Effects of once-weekly semaglutide vs once-daily canagliflozin on body composition in type 2 diabetes: a substudy of the SUSTAIN 8 randomized controlled clinical trial
- Jennifer Aniston salad
- NwJ Ep 216. – Dave Feldman (Cholesterol)
SPONSORS:
- Paleovalley: https://paleovalley.com/promos/nwj for 15% off your order!
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LAURA'S RESOURCES:
JUDY'S RESOURCES:
- Judy's Book, Carnivore Cure
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program
- Nutrition with Judy Articles
- Nutrition with Judy Resources
- Judy's Instagram
- Nutrition with Judy Podcast
- Judy's YouTube
- Judy's Facebook
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
12. Keto Lite: Focusing on Protein and the New Trends in Keto
mercredi 16 juin 2021 • Duration 48:33
In this episode, we talk about trends in the low carb, keto diet space. What is keto lite? Is it a certain amount of carbohydrates? A certain amount of fat? Or maybe protein?
We talk about details and our keto journeys in this episode.
- New Diets for 2021
- What is Keto Lite
- Our experience with Keto
- Dirty Keto
- IIFYM (If It Fits Your Macros)
- No Added Fat Keto
- Net carbs vs. Total carbs
- Sugar cravings
- Is keto right for you
- Fat bombs, sweetener treats: does it help or hurt?
Top Diet Trends: https://youbars.com/blogs/news/top-10-diet-trends-for-2021
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SPONSORS:
Carnivore Cure book: https://amzn.to/3nMMjVw
Redmond’s Real Salt Discount: https://shop.redmond.life/?afmc=NwJ Enter “NWJ” at checkout to receive 15% off your order.
Carnivore Snax: Use code “LAURAESPATH” at checkout to get 15% off your order.
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ABOUT LAURA SPATH
LAURA’S RESOURCES:
- Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews: https://linktr.ee/lauraespath
- Laura’s Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-e2b85275
FIND LAURA:
- YouTube: https://bit.ly/3wMPkcS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraespath/
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ABOUT JUDY CHO
- Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program: https://judy-s-school-4268.thinkific.com/
- Nutrition with Judy Blog: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/
- Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources
FIND JUDY:
- Nutrition with Judy Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nutrition-with-judy/id1529951307
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutritionwithjudy
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/nutritionwithjudy
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NutritionwJudy/
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
11. Carnivore Disillusionment and Adjusting to Rising Meat Prices
mercredi 9 juin 2021 • Duration 01:07:53
In this episode, we talk about several topics going on in our lives and talk through our thoughts on the interview with Paul Dykstra and the cost of rising meat prices.
The following were discussed:
- Behind the Scenes with filming
- Why we should all share our stories
- Disillusionment on carnivore
- Putting in the work
- Cold vs. hot meats for satiety
- Our thoughts on the meat industry
- Grocery store vs. local farmer
- How we’re handling rising meat prices
- Ideal diet per a 20-year investigative journalist
- Ideal blood sugars on carnivore
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RESOURCES
- CATG Interview with Paul Dykstra: https://cutting-against-the-grain.simplecast.com/episodes/why-meat-prices-are-going-up-with-paul-dykstra
- Beyond Meat Burger Ingredients: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/beyond-meat-meat-alternative-solution/
- Meat and Climate Change: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/meat-and-climate-change/
- Laura’s Lunch Ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO1HtL1NXSc
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SPONSORS:
- Carnivore Snax: Use code “LAURAESPATH” at checkout to get 15% off your order. https://carnivoresnax.com/
- Carnivore Cure book: https://amzn.to/3nMMjVw
- Redmond’s Real Salt Discount: https://shop.redmond.life/?afmc=NwJ Enter “NWJ” at checkout to receive 15% off your order.
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ABOUT LAURA SPATH
LAURA’S RESOURCES:
- Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews: https://linktr.ee/lauraespath
- Laura’s Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-e2b85275
FIND LAURA:
- YouTube: https://bit.ly/3wMPkcS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraespath/
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ABOUT JUDY CHO
- Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program: https://judy-s-school-4268.thinkific.com/
- Nutrition with Judy Blog: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/
- Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources
FIND JUDY:
- Nutrition with Judy Podcast: https://nutrition-with-judy.simplecast.com/
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutritionwithjudy
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/nutritionwithjudy
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NutritionwJudy/
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
10. Why Meat Prices Are Going Up with Paul Dykstra
mercredi 2 juin 2021 • Duration 01:11:50
In this episode, we have our very first guest, Paul Dykstra from Certified Angus Beef brand to discuss the many facets of the meat industry. We talk about how our meat ends up in the grocery store and why our meat prices are going up.
Paul is the assistant director of supply management and analysis for the Certified Angus Beef brand. Paul works closely with family ranchers and feedyard managers to carefully manage and sustainably raise Angus cattle using best practices and responsible care.
Paul is an expert on the beef market and grading trends, carrying the message of consumer demand to cattlemen. In his 20-year tenure at Certified Angus Beef, he has overseen the brand's natural extension on participating farms and ranches and built relationships with cattlemen across the U.S.
A native of Colorado, Paul grew up on a commercial cow-calf ranch. He resides in Chappell, Nebraska, with his wife, Alisa, and their two children. He enjoys working with the kids on 4-H projects and with the family’s cow herd, as well as hunting and fishing.
The following were discussed:
- How our packaged meat get to the grocery store.
- Grass finished vs grain finished
- Feedlots and their role in the meat supply chain
- Growth hormone promotants and antibiotic use
- Why meat prices are increasing
- Lab meat vs plant-based meat
- Supporting local farmers at the grocery store
- U.S. meat vs. imported food supply
Certified Angus Beef brand: https://news.certifiedangusbeef.com/company-overview/
What is Angus beef: https://news.certifiedangusbeef.com/more-than-angus/
Plant-based Beyond Meat ingredients: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/beyond-meat-meat-alternative-solution/
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SPONSORS:
Carnivore Cure book: https://amzn.to/3nMMjVw
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ABOUT LAURA SPATH
LAURA’S RESOURCES:
- Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews: https://linktr.ee/lauraespath
- Laura’s Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-e2b85275
FIND LAURA:
- YouTube: https://bit.ly/3wMPkcS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraespath/
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ABOUT JUDY CHO
- Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program: https://judy-s-school-4268.thinkific.com/
- Nutrition with Judy Blog: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/
- Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources
FIND JUDY:
- Nutrition with Judy Podcast: https://nutrition-with-judy.simplecast.com
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutritionwithjudy
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/nutritionwithjudy
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NutritionwJudy/
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condit
9. Practicing Patience: Even When It’s Hard
mercredi 26 mai 2021 • Duration 48:49
In this episode, we discuss the importance of patience and why we need to be patient in our healing and our lives—even when it’s hard.
We share our thoughts on practicing patience in our healing journeys and why we need to give it time.
- One way we can lower our stress is by practicing patience
- Patience with our healing journey
- Healing takes time
- Weight loss takes time
- Abraham Lincoln and James Dyson
- Jiujitsu
- Practice patience for health
SPONSORS:
CarnivoreSnax: https://carnivoresnax.com/ Enter “LauraESpath” at checkout to receive 15% off your order.
Carnivore Cure book: https://amzn.to/3nMMjVw
Redmond’s Real Salt Discount: https://shop.redmond.life/?afmc=NwJ Enter “NWJ” at checkout to receive 15% off your order.
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ABOUT LAURA SPATH
LAURA’S RESOURCES:
- Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews: https://linktr.ee/lauraespath
- Laura’s Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-e2b85275
FIND LAURA:
- YouTube: https://bit.ly/3wMPkcS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraespath/
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ABOUT JUDY CHO
- Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program: https://judy-s-school-4268.thinkific.com/
- Nutrition with Judy Blog: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/
- Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources
FIND JUDY:
- Website: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/nutritionwithjudy
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutritionwithjudy
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NutritionwJudy/
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
8. Fasting: Time-Restricted, Intermittent and Extended Fasting
mercredi 19 mai 2021 • Duration 56:40
In this episode, Laura and Judy take a deeper dive into fasting.
We talk about the difference in time-restricted eating, intermittent and extended fasting. We talk about how to do it and when it may be needed.
- What is fasting?
- What is time-restricted fasting?
- What is intermittent fasting?
- What is extended fasting?
- Our personal history with fasting
- Fasting and blood sugar regulation
- Fasting and weight loss
- Fasting and autophagy
- What does this mean for you?
Dr. Jason Fung and the IDM Method: https://thefastingmethod.com/
The fasting science with Jason Fung: https://thefastingmethod.com/the-science-of-intermittent-fasting/
Guide to Fasting: Jason Fung and Jimmy Moore: https://amzn.to/3tBOjl0
Sole water: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/balancing-electrolytes-blood-pressure-and-sole-water-recipe/
SPONSORS:
Redmond’s Real Salt Discount: https://shop.redmond.life/?afmc=NwJ Enter “NWJ” at checkout to receive 15% off your order.
Carnivore Snax: https://carnivoresnax.com Enter “LAURAESPATH” at checkout to receive 15% off your order.
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ABOUT LAURA SPATH
LAURA’S RESOURCES:
- Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews: https://linktr.ee/lauraespath
- Laura’s Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-e2b85275
FIND LAURA:
- YouTube: https://bit.ly/3wMPkcS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraespath/
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ABOUT JUDY CHO
- Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program: https://judy-s-school-4268.thinkific.com/
JUDY’S RESOURCES:
- Nutrition with Judy Blog: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/
- Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources
FIND JUDY:
- Website: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/nutritionwithjudy
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutritionwithjudy
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NutritionwJudy/
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
7. Protein Sparing Modified Fasts (PSMF) and Reverse Dieting
mercredi 12 mai 2021 • Duration 43:56
In this episode, we discuss the trending dieting levers of Protein Sparing Modified Fasts (PSMF) and Reverse Dieting.
We share our thoughts on these two levers, including what they are and how you may or may not want to incorporate them into your way of eating.
We also dug into our thoughts on other levers like the MCT oil challenge.
Metabolism Support
PSMF
- What is it
- Our experience
- Should people do it
Reverse dieting
- What is it
- Our experience
- Should people do it
Thoughts on the MCT oil challenge
- What is it
- Should people do it
Should you use these levers?
Maria and Craig Emmerich: https://mariamindbodyhealth.com/
Ted Naiman and the P:E Diet: https://tednaiman.com/
Reverse Dieting: Kevin Stock
https://academy.meat.health/courses/flagship
https://www.kevinstock.io/health/fat-loss-and-the-carnivore-diet/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNyZJ8H5TE&t
SPONSORS:
Carnivore Cure book: https://amzn.to/3nMMjVw
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ABOUT LAURA SPATH
LAURA’S RESOURCES:
- Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews: https://linktr.ee/lauraespath
- Laura’s Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-e2b85275
FIND LAURA:
- YouTube: https://bit.ly/3wMPkcS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraespath/
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ABOUT JUDY CHO
- Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program: https://judy-s-school-4268.thinkific.com/
- Nutrition with Judy Blog: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/
- Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources
FIND JUDY:
- Website: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/nutritionwithjudy
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutritionwithjudy
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NutritionwJudy/
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.
6. Liver and Vitamin A Toxicity: Should you eat liver?
vendredi 7 mai 2021 • Duration 54:00
In this episode, we talk about Judy’s thoughts since the Vitamin A toxicity (liver) interview with Grant Genereux. Laura weighs in on her thoughts on liver, even though she did not see the interview at the time of recording.
Note: This recording was done before the Grant Genereux video and podcast were released.
- Summary of vitamin A liver interview
- Judy and Laura’s take on organ meats with carnivore
- Copper and liver
- Hair mineral tests and copper imbalances
- The benefits of liver consumption
- The risks of liver consumption
- Weston A Price and liver
- Cod liver oil risks
- Judy’s new take on organ meats with carnivore
- What does this mean for you
Judy's Take on Vitamin A Toxicity: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/vitamin-A
Don’t Eat Just Beef: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/dont-eat-just-beef/
Toxic Cod Liver Oil: https://www.drkaayladaniel.com/blog/a-big-dose-of-codswallop
Raw milk vs conventional: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/raw-vs-pasteurized-milk/
Minerals: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/balancing-electrolytes-blood-pressure-and-sole-water-recipe/
SPONSORS:
Carnivore Snax: https://carnivoresnax.com Enter “LAURAESPATH” at checkout to receive 15% off your order.
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ABOUT LAURA SPATH
LAURA’S RESOURCES:
- Laura’s Discount Codes & Interviews: https://linktr.ee/lauraespath
- Laura’s Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/influencer-e2b85275
FIND LAURA:
- YouTube: https://bit.ly/3wMPkcS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraespath/
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ABOUT JUDY CHO
- Judy’s Book, Carnivore Cure: https://amzn.to/37R4lOY
- Free #Carnivore75Hard Program: https://judy-s-school-4268.thinkific.com/
JUDY’S RESOURCES:
- Nutrition with Judy Blog: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/blog/
- Nutrition with Judy Resources: https://nutritionwithjudy.com/resources
FIND JUDY:
- Website: https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/nutritionwithjudy
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutritionwithjudy
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NutritionwJudy/
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DISCLAIMER: This podcast should never be considered medical advice. We always recommend working with your medical team. Do not self-diagnose. Always seek medical guidance when you have a medical condition.









