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Navigating Legal Operations with Richard Robinson06 Aug 202400:16:02

Key Points:

  1. Introduction to Richard Robinson:
    • Background in legal tech and litigation support.
    • Career journey from law firms to corporate in-house roles, including JC Penney and Toyota.
  2. Transition to Toyota:
    • Inherited a mature legal operations team at Toyota.
    • Initial challenges and the impact of COVID-19 on operations.
  3. Core Competencies of CLOC:
    • Discussion on the 12 core principles of CLOC.
    • Emphasis on technology and business intelligence.
  4. Strategic Approach to Technology:
    • Importance of aligning technology with business strategy.
    • People, process, and technology as the three pillars of legal operations.
  5. Stakeholder Engagement:
    • Identifying and involving the right stakeholders.
    • Importance of communication and emotional intelligence in managing change.
  6. Power Skills in Legal Operations:
    • Collaboration, emotional intelligence, problem-solving, communication, and leadership.
    • Listening and understanding root causes before implementing solutions.
  7. Mentorship and Industry Engagement:
    • Richard's commitment to mentorship and building up others in the industry.
    • Encouragement to connect on LinkedIn for further conversations.
Transforming Contract Management With AI : Insights From Tiffany Hamilton22 Jul 202400:10:18

Key Points:

Introduction to Tiffany Hamilton:

  • Director of Legal Innovation, Analytics, and Technology at DHL Supply Chain.
  • Eight and a half years at DHL, starting as the sole legal ops resource.

Building the Legal Ops Team:

  • Initial challenges and strategic growth of the legal ops team.
  • Aligning team resources with the CLOCK Core 12 pillars.

Legacy CLM System Migration:

  • Issues with the in-house legacy CLM system and the need for a new solution.
  • Gathering stakeholder feedback to identify pain points and requirements.

Data Cleanup and Governance:

  • The messy process of data cleanup and the importance of data governance.
  • Collaboration with the vendor to ensure clean data migration.

Integrating AI in Contract Management:

  • Combining a repository with AI capabilities for contract drafting and data extraction.
  • Ensuring human oversight at every step to confirm accuracy.

Lessons Learned and Key Takeaways:

  • Importance of understanding data and stakeholder needs.
  • The role of information governance in system implementation.
  • The significance of user adoption for the success of new systems.

Final Thoughts and Contact Information:

  • Tiffany’s enthusiasm for data and information governance.
  • Invitation to connect with Tiffany on LinkedIn or at industry conferences like CLOCK.

 

Lessons for Effective Contract Negotiation with Laurie Ehrlich20 Nov 202300:19:34
WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:22] - Introduction to Laurie Erhlich
  • [00:41] - What is Datadog?
  • [01:42]- Education as a Common Contracting Pain Point
  • [08:43] -The risks and mitigations of contracts
  • [10:02] -Automating contract review
  • [11:18] -Standardizing NDAs and using technology for review
  • [17:58] - The category of contracts for business stakeholders
  • [18:35] - Enabling teams to focus on their preferences
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [01:40] “I think it's education. I think it's making sure that everybody actually understands what we're contracting about... this lack of understanding really makes it impossible to close the contract when the parties aren't coming from the same position " - Laurie
  • [05:06] “We have a contracting effort, you on our website and it's actually attached to our standard form contract that explains what our business is so that the procurement or legal person receiving the contract understands in more like not business speak, but in legal procurement speak what it is that they're buying in legalese, exactly.”- Laurie
  • [09:01] “You don't need perfect contracts. Most contract disputes don't happen in court" - Laurie
  • [13:46] “I try not to change things for the organization as a whole. I try to change things for my team in a way that benefits everybody in the organization.” -Laurie
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Strategies for Transforming Legal Functions with Mark Ross08 Nov 202300:23:38
WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:02] - Introduction to Mark Ross and his role at Deloitte
  • [06:37] - The importance of involving stakeholders for successful contract management technology implementation
  • [10:57] - Readiness and preparation for CLM implementation
  • [14:05] - The value drivers of process efficiencies in contracting
  • [15:32] - Quantifying the savings from risk avoidance in contract compliance
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [10:58] - “It's crucial that organizations take a moment to actually take stock of the people that they employ, the processes that they leverage today, and legal business services at Deloitte is laser-focused on helping our legal departments focus on those areas and then, of course, enjoy the benefits of that promised land of technological utopia as well.” - Mark
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Live In Vegas: How to Speed Up and Scale Up Procurement with Agile Contracting15 Oct 202300:47:06

WHAT WE DISCUSS:

  • [00:33] - How procurement can improve their relationship with legal
  • [04:50] - The concept of a negotiation playbook
  • [09:40] - The importance of standardizing templates and intake protocols
  • [10:16] - The role of lawyers in template selection and the impact on the procurement process
  • [11:17] - Dynamic template creation
  • [13:26] - Triage and work queue management
  • [20:43] - The importance of a robust contract repository
  • [22:44] - Creating a negotiation playbook
  • [28:57] - The importance of readiness and preparation for CLM implementation
  • [32:08] - Training newer folks on legal terms
  • [34:00] - Collaboration between sourcing and legal departments
  • [37:55] - Challenges with control from general counsel
  • [41:51] - The challenges of implementing Agiloft  in the healthcare industry
  • [42:43] - The importance of getting stakeholders excited and involved in the implementation process
  • [43:43] - Resources for Agiloft implementation
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [02:50] - “A lot of contract management has been focused on indirect procurement and the buy side. The sell-side has also been a focus. But historically we've noticed that it's actually born from the buy side.” - Prashant
  • [03:43] - “The relationship between procurement and legal sometimes has bordered on adversarial because business drivers for procurement organizations are not just how do I get the best price and consolidate vendors, but it's really about managing categories from a strategic perspective .” - Prashant
  • [08:51] - “Most CLM systems of basic functionality will have the ability to have a playbook in place with a clause library, fallback provisions that you can select a way to tag those particular provisions with different levels of risk or desirability from a company's perspective.” - Prashant 
  • [11:36] - “Sometimes intake can drive that dynamic creation of a template using clauses that are ultimate provisions that you can use having a base template and then using alternate provisions based on the intake requirements to create something that's purpose-built for the transaction.” - Prashant
  • [21:00] - “It takes a pretty high degree of maturity as an organization to have a robust single source of truth repository that's high integrity that people rely on.” - Prashant
  • [30:52] “If there's a degree of preparation that involves these kinds of collaborative discussions, it creates a good foundation for trust between the organizations.” - Prashant
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The Future of Contract Management with Nicole Shaver04 Oct 202300:23:57
WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:00:31] - Nikki's journey to becoming CEO of Legaltech Hub
  • [00:02:47] - Notable changes in legal technology and their impact on enterprise legal teams
  • [00:06:56] - The role of AI in contract management
  • [00:13:06] - The inevitability of AI integration in contract products
  • [00:16:15] - Enhancing self-service workflows and integrating AI
  • [00:19:39] - Anticipated technological advancements for organizations investing in AI
  • [00:21:25] - Upcoming events hosted by Legaltech Hub
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:03:00] - “We're really moving from the very large systems that do absolutely everything across the contract lifecycle and need to be implemented across all phases of the contract lifecycle to more modular, nimble solutions that are available for teams.” - Nikki
  • [00:06:01] - “I think a CLM platform has to be nimble enough in order to be able to accommodate the different feature configurations or customizations for the particular industry into which it's being implemented.” - Nikki
  • [00:13:54] - “AI doesn't necessarily lend huge efficiency at all stages of the contract lifecycle. It's a ‘nice-to-have’ in a lot of areas rather than a ‘must-have’.” - Nikki
  • [00:18:05] - “You have to have thought out the user journey and have an established interface in order to make it easy to integrate AI and for the user to see the benefit of that.” - Nikki
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Beyond the Paper Trail: Alistair Maiden's Quest for Contract Efficiency20 Sep 202300:38:01
WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:00:40] - Introduction to Alistair and his company SYKE
  • [00:01:15] - The birth of a contracting Solution
  • [00:02:32] - Reducing contract cycle time
  • [00:11:53] - The importance of investment and implementation
  • [00:13:09] - The potential pitfalls of underestimating implementation efforts
  • [00:19:33] - Benefits of a centralized contract repository
  • [00:22:37] - The value of engaging a reputable consulting firm
  • [00:25:00] - Reputation and changes in the market
  • [00:30:34] - The transformative impact of AI in the legal sector
  • [00:34:35] - Disruption in legal advisory services
  • [00:35:56] - The role of AI in migrating and extracting legacy data
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:03:44] - “We managed to reduce the average contract cycle time down from over 50 days to five and a half days, and it was really impactful, had a big commercial benefit, and I kind of just fell in love with it really.” - Alistair
  • [00:07:17] - “I saw just the power of how, you know, for a few simple questions, you could put together a robust contract.” - Alistair
  • [00:21:30] - “We don't want to be associated with failed projects and products. Reputation is hugely important.”- Alistair 
  • [00:30:34] - “It's moving super fast and I am incredibly excited about what we're going to be able to achieve in short order through this new technology.”- Alistair
  • [00:35:42] - “I really do, I don't think it will be long before the answers are as good as the lawyers or better, and that's going to be hugely disruptive to the legal market.” - Alistair
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The Art of Contract Management at CLM Simplified Academy 202311 Sep 202300:28:42

In this episode of the Contract Heroes Podcast, we are delighted to have three distinguished guests with us - Mary O'Carroll, Chief Community Officer at Ironclad and former Google Director Legal Ops and CLOC President; Laura Frederick, founder of How to Contract and ContractsCon, and a Lawyer; and Debbie Hoffman, previously Managing Associate General Counsel at Western Union, and currently a board director and executive leader with expertise in fintech, real estate, mortgage lending, and blockchain.

During our conversation, we discuss contract management implementations and finding a successful system with Mary. We emphasize the importance of taking a phased approach and starting small with pilot projects. Our discussion also covers the decision of whether to start with the legal department or procurement contracts, the role of consultants in the pre-implementation process, and effectively monitoring and managing contracts for compliance and value maximization. Laura joins as an expert in negotiating contracts, discussing the concerns of commercial lawyers and the trend of over-contracting. The episode concludes with Debbie sharing her experience with implementing a new tool at Western Union and the challenges faced. 

WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [01:15] - The importance of phased approaches for successful implementations
  • [03:06] - Starting with legal or procurement in implementing contract management solutions
  • [03:22] The importance of finding the right starting point for implementing contract management solutions
  • [04:53] - The role of consultants in the pre-implementation process and the need for well-defined processes
  • [05:38] - Recommendations for organizations to ensure effective monitoring and management of their contracts
  • [06:56] - AI and its impact on contract management
  • [08:44] - Laura Frederick's recent event and her work as the founder of “How to Contract”
  • [09:51] - Commercial lawyers’ frequently asked questions regarding CLM
  • [11:01] - Strategies to reverse the over-contracting trend
  • [11:35] - The importance of training for effective contract negotiation skills
  • [13:34] - Automation of contract negotiations and the need for human decision-making in complex contracts
  • [19:43] - Debbie’s background and involvement in CLM implementation while at Western Union
  • [20:52] - The CLM vendor selection process
  • [22:07] - Debbie’s challenges with the current tool
  • [25:08] - The importance of building playbooks and understanding client needs 
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:01:19] - “The idea of getting all your stakeholders aligned at the same time and trying to roll out one solution and saying, hey, this is going to be good for everyone is honestly a bit unrealistic. You're never going to have everyone on the same page.” - Mary  
  • [00:01:44] - “Change management is hard. This is something that affects so many parts of the company. So, instead of trying, I think to get everyone aligned and to spend a year doing stakeholder alignment, the requirements gathering change management process is to just start small.” - Mary
  • [00:16:24] - “If you can, train the people who are doing the contracts and negotiate them on those real risks, not the academic risk, but what is this company with these products and services? What do we really worry about then that's going to be such an important step towards enablement and getting to shorter contracts?” - Laura
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Crush Contracts' Game-Changing Approach to Contract Management with Roma Khan04 Sep 202300:28:00

During our conversation, Roma shares her journey from law school to becoming a contracts manager and eventually a general counsel. She explains how she started her own contracts tech company, CrushContracts, and developed tools like the Global NDA, ICE, and Zoey to address contract management pain points. Roma emphasizes the importance of solving problems and adapting to changing times. We also discuss the challenges of getting buy-in from team members and ensuring adoption of contract management tools. 

WHAT WE DISCUSS:

  • [00:19] - Introduction to Roma Khan, CEO of CrushContracts 
  • [00:52] - Roma's background and journey to becoming the “contracts queen”
  • [02:57] - The main issues Roma faced as a general counsel and recommendations for contract management
  • [06:32] - Overview of the tools developed by CrushContracts, including Global NDA, ICE, and Zoey
  • [09:14] -  Challenges in contract management
  • [10:13] - Approach to contract management: understanding the purpose of contracts as business documents 
  • [16:14] - Importance of organizing contracts
  • [17:05] How to optimize workflow processes and conduct an internal audit for legacy contracts
  • [19:05] - Getting buy-in from team members and utilizing existing resources for project implementation
  • [21:12] Challenges of adoption and change management when implementing new technology
  • [24:45] Recommendations for addressing adoption and change management challenges in CLM implementation
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:03:44] - “I built a global registry called Global NDA where we sat down with several other attorneys and created a universally acceptable mutual NDA, and it's online now and people can just opt in and start talking to the active members.” - Roma
  • [00:11:11] - “A lot of times legal departments will create instruction manuals that look like novels. They look like law school briefs. There are too many bullet points, and it's like everything I can add to it, I will add. I work the other way around. I look at it as the most simplest user in the company and if they have to execute this contract, I want them to understand the process, I want them to understand the risk, and I want them to negotiate most of this on their own. So they come to legal for the last thing, for this final approval.” - Roma
  • [00:10:34] - “My overall process and ideology and contracts comes from the core belief that contracts are not legal documents. They are business documents. They have to be lawful and legally and legally binding. But with anything, you can start any business, and it has to be for a lawful purpose.” - Roma
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Leveraging Clean Data for Streamlined Contract Management15 Aug 202300:39:34

During our conversation, we gain valuable insights into Intel's journey of successfully implementing a contract management tool. We emphasize the importance of clean and organized data as the foundation for effective contract management. We delve into the significance of data-driven decision-making and involving attorneys in the process. The team from Intel highlights the importance of metadata and prioritizing active contracts. They also give us insights into some of the challenges they faced during implementation and the importance of data cleanliness and integrity. We also touch on scoping the project, engaging internal teams, and involving end users in the design process. Finally, we discuss the flexibility and challenges of the chosen CLM solution by the Intel team, as well as the future phases and the potential of AI in contract management.

WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:14] - Intel’s journey of implementing a contract management tool
  • [03:16] - Establishing a solid foundation for contract management through data-driven approach
  • [07:13] - Analyzing and prioritizing data during the foundation stage
  • [08:49] - Data integration and prioritization of contracts in a system implementation.
  • [10:41] - Importing legacy documents and mistakes in implementation
  • [12:07] - Building the contract repository and data cleaning
  • [16:41] -Scooping process and the importance of prioritizing features and functionalities based on business value and user population 
  • [24:14] -The role of a dedicated project manager and their experience with legal technologies during CLM implementation
  • [26:07] How processes were established and whether diagrams were created during the foundation stage
  • [27:49] Handling change requests during CLM implementation
  • [32:43] - Importance of conservative resource planning and transparent communication in business operations
  • [34:45] - Prioritizing and future phases in consulting, including authoring and AI for contracts
  • [35:36] - Excitement about the future phase of AI in contract management.
  • [37:20] - Integration with company's data domains
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:01:44]  - “Having a firm foundation of understanding what our data is and making a data centric mindset approach towards how we solve our challenges when it comes to contracts is of utmost importance.” - Donovan
  • [00:04:00] - “Data is going to be king in terms of understanding how we can then make a business decision. At the end of the day, the data should produce the ability to make a decision in regard to where you are taking your business and the approach you're going to take with it.” - Donovan 
  • [00:15:51] - “You need to maintain the data and make sure your data continues to be clean, through the years. And so that's why when you are doing this repository design implementation, take into consideration the business rules. Ideally, you should have those also implemented into the system validation.” - Kuan
  • [00:19:22] - “Our first implementation failed largely because we didn't partner with our IT organization like we did with our second implementation. And so, that was the chief reason why we failed. We, as a legal department and legal operations department, felt we could do it on our own without bringing in a big intel IT organization.” - Gerald
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Chaos No More: How CLM Solutions Save the Day with Sol Brody07 Aug 202300:17:29

Picture a crucial contract trapped in a digital abyss, while stakeholders scramble to review it one after another, causing delays, errors, and missed opportunities. Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) is the knight in shining armor. With automation, collaboration, and visibility, CLM transforms your procurement process into a streamlined powerhouse. Say goodbye to lost contracts and endless paperwork. Embrace CLM to unlock efficiency, compliance, and accelerated business growth. It's time to reclaim control over your contracts and triumph over the chaos.

In this episode of the Contract Heroes Podcast, we are thrilled to  sit down with Sol Brody. Sol is  the Executive Director, Legal Operations at Boeing. The Boeing Company, along with its affiliated companies, engages in the global design, development, manufacturing, sales, servicing, and support of commercial jetliners, military aircraft, satellites, missile defense systems, human space flight initiatives, as well as launch systems and services.

During our conversation with Sol, we discussed contract management challenges within a large organization and the implementation of a CLM solution at Boeing. Sol talks about his  role and emphasizes the importance of collaboration and efficiency in contract management processes. We also discuss the ownership of contracts at Boeing and the challenges faced in finding the right workflow solution. Sol  shares his experience fitting into his role and working in such a large organization. Our conversation also touches on key performance indicators (KPIs), automation, compliance reporting, and building a legal operations team. Sol  suggests identifying pain points within the organization and involving internal business partners to advocate for its necessity and help make a compelling case to the C-suite.

 

WHAT WE DISCUSS:

  • [00:30] - Sol’s perspective about the conference and how it has changed since his first visit in 2019
  • [01:24] - Ownership of contracts at Boeing and Sol’s role in assisting attorneys with a structured approach
  • [02:48] - The implementation of a CLM solution at Boeing
  • [04:14] - Challenges faced during the implementation of the CLM solution at Boeing
  • [06:06] - The role of CLM solution in addressing pain points at Boeing 
  • [07:44] - Sol’s experience of transitioning from one company to another
  • [10:47] - Key performance indicators (KPIs) for legal operations during the post-signature phase of the contract lifecycle
  • [12:44] - Opportunities for automation in compliance reporting
  • [15:13] - Building a legal operations team and gaining support from the C-suite 
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:06:07] - “I think part of it, it's just a lot of white space in between. We use a lot of emails. And so just imagine an email goes into a procurement agent, it sits for a couple of days until someone gets it. It then needs to work through the process. There's no less than ten other functions that need to weigh in on whether there's some element of privacy or global trade or insurance or some other risk that we're trying to mitigate. That has to be worked many times in serially rather than parallel.”  - Sol
  • [00:13:52]  “Legal doesn't own the policy, we should not be stepping into that white space to tell you what the policy is supposed to mean, that's for the policy owner to do. So it's really about how does the right work get to legal, how do we deflect work that makes sense upstream either to the policy owner or to the requester, or that we can put into some sort of knowledge bank that people can go to and get a quick answer to.” - Sol
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Navigating the Challenges of Transitioning to a New CLM System with Trayce Marcelle31 Jul 202300:22:32

In today's rapidly evolving business landscape, the strategic utilization of technology has become a paramount driver of success. It holds the key to unlocking unprecedented levels of productivity, efficiency, and innovation. But here's the catch: technology alone is not enough. To truly harness its power, organizations must foster a culture of collaboration, breaking down silos and engaging every department in the transformative conversation.

In this episode of the Contract Heroes Podcast, we sit down with the incredibly experienced Trayce Marcelle who is a seasoned professional with over 20 years of experience in legal operations management consulting and the Head of US - Legal Operations and Technology Consulting LOD + SYKE. LOD & SYKE are the leading and rapidly expanding experts in legal technology, have collaborated to provide clients with exceptional alternative legal services. They are globally recognized as the biggest and most swiftly advancing specialists in this field.

During our conversation, Tracy discusses her experience in legal operations management consulting and the importance of incorporating technology into legal operations. She emphasizes the need to make technology work for you and involves other departments in the conversation. We also highlight the challenges of implementing digital transformation projects and the importance of having a clear action plan. The conversation then shifts to contract lifecycle management (CLM) and the challenges of implementing CLM systems. Tracy provides practical solutions and suggests starting with a few key contracts or workflows. We also discuss the challenges of transitioning from one system to another and emphasizes the importance of changing perceptions and proper planning. 

WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [01:15] - Trayce’s background
  • [02:32] - Some of Trayce’s significant projects in legal innovation and legal tech consulting
  • [06:05] - The importance of involving other departments in legal tech projects
  • [07:23] - How to engage other departments in legal projects for meaningful impact
  • [09:14] - The need for a clear action plan in digital transformation projects
  • [10:17] - The challenge of starting a project without mapped processes
  • [10:37] - Implementing CLM across different industries and regions, and the importance of not over planning.
  • [12:22] - Simplifying processes and using metadata to make strategic decisions based on contract execution data.
  • [15:12]  -  Prioritizing implementation based on specific business needs and starting with a few contracts for quick wins and user adoption.
  • [17:09] - The importance of collaboration between commercial and legal teams in the negotiation and implementation process of legal technology
  • [20:14] - Strategies to generate excitement and overcome resistance for CLM implementation
  • (20:33] - The importance of understanding business requirements and the overlap of spend when transitioning to a new tool
  • (21:13] - Changing the perception of contracting
  • (21:50) - Pre-implementation planning
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:07:35] “You want to create an environment of envy. You want to create an environment where people are talking about what you're doing and are excited about it. You have to create champions. And that means when you're doing your requirements gathering exercise, you understand what people want out of the system.” - Trayce
  • [00:11:08] “We are firm believers that you don't boil the ocean. If you spend a year planning an implementation, by the time you're ready to implement, it's all wrong, and it's all changed, as soon as you put them on paper, it's dead.” - Trayce
  • [00:21:19] “So, you start looking at data governance and usage and adoption and where are the gaps and where are the problems, and you start just changing their perception of the way it does work and the way that it can work. And you start creating excitement about it even before you decide and negotiate on the next tool.” -Trayce
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Crush Contracts Academy With Roma Khan & Sara McCormick14 Jun 202400:18:28
Join us as we welcome Roma Khan, CEO, and Sarah McCormick, COO, of Crush Contracts, to discuss the exciting launch of the Crush Contracts Academy next week, June 21st in Chicago. Listen in as Roma and Sarah share the behind-the-scenes journey of organizing their inaugural event and the overwhelming support they've received from the legal community. From expert-led discussions on negotiation to contract data in mergers and acquisitions, the academy is set to provide practical and high-quality education in contract management. Discover the broader vision of creating a globally accessible Contracts Academy event and the meaningful connections this event promises.
Turning CLM Setbacks Into Success with James Donald24 Jul 202300:38:50

In this episode of the Contract Heroes Podcast, we are delighted to sit down with James Donald. James is the Deputy General Counsel, Global Premium Midscale and Economy Brands at Accor in Dubai and  has 10+ years' hospitality experience. He has advised on all manner of hotel-related agreements throughout Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Asia. Previously, before joining Accor, he led legal and risk in India, the Middle East, and Africa. James is a solicitor of England and Wales, with an economics and finance degree, and a father of twin boys.

During our conversation, James shares his background and how he ended up in his current role. The discussion focuses on legal operations and implementing  technology at Accor. James explains the initiatives they have taken to streamline legal processes and improve collaboration between legal and other business departments. He also discusses the implementation process of their contract lifecycle management system and highlights the importance of evaluating and re-evaluating processes. James discusses a significant aspect of their discussion, which revolved around the learnings from a previous CLM implementation. He shares how they have used that knowledge to avoid making the same mistakes with their new vendor, Agiloft. By reflecting on past experiences, James and his team have gained valuable insights that inform their approach to implementing the contract lifecycle management system, ensuring a more successful outcome with Agiloft.

WHAT WE DISCUSS:

  • [00:30] - James' career background and how he ended up as Deputy General Counsel at Accor
  • [03:33] - James’ key initiatives to align and streamline legal processes at Accor
  • [09:34] - James’ approaches to CLM implementation and the role of external consulting firms
  • [11:34] - Evaluating tools and processes
  • [12:47] - Considerations during the evaluation and implementation of a CLM tool
  • [13:58] - James’ experience of extracting data from legacy contracts and the challenges they faced in manually extracting over 300 pieces
  • [16:15] - Strategies for successful implementation of complex systems, focusing on phased approaches and user adoption
  • [20:28] - The importance of integrating different systems within organizations and the challenges it poses.
  • [24:38] - James’ considerations and options for post go-live support and system administration in implementing and evolving organizational CLM solutions
  • [27:59] - Continuous improvement of operational effectiveness
  • [30:46] - Speeding up the contracting process
  • [33:47] - How success is measured in implementing a software solution
  • [37:08] - James’ tips for a successful contract management process
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:10:05] - “When you're trying to load lots of different templates into a solution, or you've got lots of different processes that vary regionally, of course it's really hard to get that to work when there's so much complexity. So we realized that that was something we should have done, probably more of.”- James
  • [00:30:16] - “If there's one thing that I can suggest young in-house lawyers do is to really understand the business that they're in, because there's often a criticism that I hear about, Well, do they really understand me? Right? Do they really understand what my challenges are, the business person's perspective, when they're trying to get something done.” - James
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Streamlining Contracts for Business Success with Courtney Irelan10 Jul 202300:35:26

In this episode of the Contract Heroes Podcast, we are delighted to speak with Courtney Irelan. Courtney is a corporate attorney and possesses extensive expertise in various contract types, primarily specializing in commercial transactions and procurement. Prior to her legal career, she climbed the ranks in sales and marketing and eventually assumed the role of overseeing business operations for multiple retail stores. Courtney harbors a strong enthusiasm for contracts.

During our conversation, we talk about the Contracts Con event and the importance of practical contract management education in law schools. Courtney emphasizes the need to define the scope of services and terms clearly, as well as to avoid vagueness and ambiguity in contracts. She also stresses the importance of using plain language instead of legalese, which can be difficult for non-lawyers to understand. We also touch on tips for successful contract management implementation and highlight the benefits of having standardized templates in a CLM system, which can empower sales and procurement teams to turn around contracts quickly and efficiently. 

Listen to this episode to learn more about the importance of practical contract management education and the benefits of streamlining contracts for all parties involved.

WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:19] - Who is Courtney Irelan?
  • [00:43] - The Contracts Con event
  • [04:52] - The importance of practical contract management education in law schools
  • [08:26] - Overview of Courtney’s article for Contract Nerds
  • [11:13] - Tips for crafting streamlined contracts
  • [13:50] - The importance of using plain language in contracts
  • [17:19] - Courtney’s process of approaching companies for CLM services
  • [21:18] - Common contract types needing improvement
  • [24:14] - The importance of clear and specific language in contracts, and the use of examples to contextualize technical language
  • [25:50] - The benefits of using standardized contract templates in a contract lifecycle management system
  • [29:06] - The impact of user-friendly templates on user adoption and efficiency of CLM tools
  • [32:15] - Tips for implementing a contract management system
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:13:19] “I've seen a lot of contracts that are super heavy with legalese and coming from sales myself. I remember before being an attorney and reading contracts that I was dealing with and not having a clue what was being said.” - Courtney
  • [00:15:21] - “What you need to have is that there is the commercial side of the business that understands the contracts, because most of the time they're the ones doing the negotiation process and the legal team does not need to be involved in every deal otherwise they will just become overwhelmed.” - Pepe
  • [00:17:20] - “My experience has been that having a contract lifecycle management software of some kind is a desired tool by every department, and I have never run across a scenario where anybody within a business says, "Oh, we don't want that.” Typically, it is a matter of prioritization and cost and a disconnect between knowing why it's so important to have a CLM.” - Courtney
  • [00:32:24] - “If you don't have sufficient buy-in, some sales people may look at CLM's like, Oh, great, now I've got more work to do on my end. They may not realize initially just how much power it gives them. So I think that really emphasizing to sales teams, executive teams and business leaders that this empowers your team. You're not having to wait on legal anymore. You're not even having to wait on procurement a lot of times anymore. CLM gives so much power to the sales and business unit leaders.” -Courtney
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The Evolving Role of Contract Lifecycle Management with Alla Valente28 Jun 202300:29:43

In this episode of the Contract Heroes Podcast, we are thrilled to feature Alla Valente. Alla is a senior research analyst at Forrester, a leading global market research company that helps organizations exceed customer demands and excel with technology. Alla specializes in security and risk management and with a focus on GRC, TPRM, CLM, and supply chain risk, she assists clients in strategy development, best practice adoption, and technology selection. Her research delves into digital transformation ethics, ERM, and brand protection. With 25 years of B2B marketing experience, including leadership and strategy, product marketing, and digital and customer marketing, Alla brings a unique perspective to risk management. She holds a BA in English from Hofstra University and has excelled in the Business Analytics Program at Harvard.

In our conversation, we focus on Forrester's latest Wave Report concerning the CLM space that looked at 26 different criteria for every vendor, including their use of AI, ease of finding information in the contract repository, and integration with upstream and downstream technologies. We explore the significance of understanding the risks associated with commercial transactions and the methodology behind Forrester Wave reports. Additionally, we touch upon the evolving role of CLM in the digitalization of commercial relationships and the key considerations that organizations should prioritize when selecting a CLM provider.

WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:19] - Who is Alla Valente? 
  • [00:56] - Alla’s position at Forrester and the Forrester Wave Reports 
  • [05:29] - The evolving role of CLM in the digitization of commercial relationships
  • [09:16] - Trends in pre- and post-signature processes in CLM software
  • [10:30] - The collaboration and benefits of CLM within organizations
  • [15:26] - Industry-specific CLM requirements 
  • [18:00] - The 26 different criteria used to evaluate CLM vendors
  • [20:18] - Workflow and visualization 
  • [22:20]- AI Capabilities in CLM
  • [26:38] - Important considerations for choosing a new CLM provider
 NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:01:18] - “Understanding the risks that come with commercial transactions, with how organizations acquire, sell, and deliver the goods and services that they have; we need to understand how contracts are really at the heart and at the core of those commercial transactions and interactions.” -Alla Valente
  • [00:07:49] - “In the world of contract management organizations, and especially contract management professionals, wherever they sit, where they sit in the legal department, or they sit in procurement, maybe they sit in sales, maybe they're part of compliance wherever they understand that to be able to have that organization move as fast as its strategy dictates, they need to also then accelerate that transformation by digitizing contract management. And so it's a super exciting time to be in CLM.”- Alla Valente
  • [00:23:34] “There are some organizations that are nervous about AI in contract management. They are reluctant to use it because it's new, and they don't have experience with it. Maybe they think that it might replace them and threaten perhaps what they do, none of which or both of those are not true.” Alla Valente
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Procurement: From Chaos to Control with David Cho13 Jun 202300:33:30
Procurement: From Chaos to Control with David Cho

Procurement, the backbone of any organization, holds the key to efficient operations, cost savings, and sustainable growth. Whether you're part of a multinational corporation, a government agency, or a budding startup, the significance of establishing robust procurement processes cannot be overstated. However, embarking on building procurement processes from scratch can feel like entering a labyrinth—a daunting task that demands careful planning, expert knowledge, and a sprinkle of creativity.

In this episode of the Contract Heroes Podcast, we have the pleasure of speaking with David Cho, a C-Level Managing Director & Chief Procurement Officer for the University of Massachusetts system. Previously, he held key positions at BlackRock, KPMG, and Deloitte, showcasing his expertise in finance, procurement, and strategic planning.

During our conversation, David shares valuable insights on building procurement processes from scratch. We delve into the challenges of implementing new processes, the role of technology in procurement, and the importance of measuring ROI. David explains how he and his team centralized the procurement function, simplified the message, modernized policy documents, and used technology to operationalize all processes. We also discuss the significance of change management, communication, and training. Discover the remarkable story of David's team, who not only surpassed expectations but also accomplished a level of work that typically takes organizations three decades to attain. 

WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:57] - Who is David Cho?
  • [03:52] - Building procurement processes from the ground up
  • [07:45] - Change management and overcoming pain points
  • [13:04] - How the University of Massachusetts implemented new technology to improve their contract processes
  • [17:44] - How technology empowered the procurement team at the University of Massachusetts
  • [26:47] - The significance of top-down support in implementing procurement changes
  • [28:00] - The best ways to calculate ROI for procurement processes
  • [29:36] - The importance of tangible and intangible ROI
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:05:16] - “We're not always looking for the cheapest cost. We're looking for great value, which includes quality of service, which may include some of our social values as well as supply, diversity and environmental sustainability considerations. - David
  • [00:06:48] - “Making sure that you have the right people and places is just so key right before you're rolling out any piece of technology or before you even look at a piece of technology, you need to make sure that you have the people in place to, one, make that change management happen so that people are excited about using a new tool and are going to continue to use the new processes that you're laying out as well.” - Marc
  • [00:30:22] - “So I think you can start creating those targets, those aspirational targets once you've launched these metrics, and then you're able to say, okay, that's the kind of illustrative drive that we're going to strive for right here at these targets. Here's the tangible evidence that we're going to try to go for. And so I need everybody's help to change behavior to get us there.” - David
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The Future of Enterprise Legal Teams: A Game-Changing Partnership with Justin Silverman & Andy Wishart05 Jun 202300:30:35
WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [01:23] - A brief introduction to Mitratech 
  • [02:03] - Partnership between Mitratech and Agiloft and the overall strategic plan and goals
  • [03:45] - Why Mitratech chose Agiloft rather than other CLMs
  • [07:23] - How the partnership between Mitratech and Agiloft can transform legal firms and their operations
  • [09:28] - The expected impact of the partnership on the day-to-day operations of a typical legal department
  • [11:06] - The benefits of legal intake portal
  • [14:04] - The straightforward integration process between Agiloft, Mitratech, and Aloft, utilizing the integration hub and APIs
  • [15:33] - Customer demand for integration
  • [20:10] - The opportunities for partners to assist with data mapping exercises and creating guided workflows within the front door wizard
  • [22:10] - The transformation happening in the contracting industry
  • [28:06] - Legal front door and guided process
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [00:02:04] - "Our strategy to execute on that vision requires us to build the most connected CLM in the marketplace and that's the journey that we're on – one where we will see data flow seamlessly across the enterprise, and I think that's so critical for establishing these sort of interconnected systems for the stakeholders that are involved within contracting." - Andy
  • [00:07:01] - “There isn't a single solution that does absolutely everything across ELM and matters in spend management and contract life cycle management, so we're trying to make it easier for them to work with us both. You know, we're teaming together, going in together into those opportunities to make it easier for legal operations teams to navigate the legal landscape.” - Andy
  • [00:12:15] - "This is about fast recycling times and greater efficiencies but with the integration between contracts and matters it's also ensuring that data is synchronizing between those two solutions that you're avoiding all of the risks related to manual entry or reentry between different platforms so I think the outcomes that benefit to legal operations professionals can be transformative." - Marc
  • [00:25:34] - "Companies have to make decisions on how they best allocate the funds that they have. And I think putting the right software in place, automating the right capabilities, ultimately is a key step forward to optimizing the way an organization works." - Justin
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Understanding CLM: Insights from the Pharma Industry with Angelina Bellanton22 May 202300:24:05
WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:29] - Angelina's background and contract work
  • [01:47] - Day-to-day work of a pharma contract team
  • [03:05] - How implementing a CLM system improved communication between legal and finance
  • [04:27] - Impact of tools like Agiloft on daily tasks
  • [06:13] - Importance of a well-designed contract intake form.
  • [08:15] - Issues that can be resolved using automation tools such as Agiloft.
  • [10:42] - Compatibility of CLM with other departments
  • [13:31] - Engaging stakeholders with KPIs and dashboards
  • [15:16] - Continuous training for effective CLM use
  • [17:28] - Managing Agiloft implementation and customization
  • [20:31] - Tips for evaluating CLM vendors
  • [22:55] - Choosing the right implementation partner
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [10:58] “You have to think about the organization as a whole and being in a system that you can actually grow into, and that's going to continue to fulfill the business needs.” - Angelina
  • [16:38] “The things that you don't know at the beginning of an implementation aren't going to be the same things that you don't understand at the end.” - Marc 
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Legal Operations: The Key To Unlocking Business Success With Mike Haven11 May 202300:24:05
WHAT WE DISCUSS:
  • [00:41] - Mike’s background and how he got into legal operations
  • [02:22] - How legal operations help other departments in making their legal operations more efficient
  • [06:39] - Strategies for legal ops to drive user adoption of a new CLM system in other departments
  • [08:22] - Implementing a CLM tool in large  organizations: Strategies for gaining buy-in and securing budget
  • [10:53] - The type of data legal team can surface to other departments to help guide business decisions 
  • [12:44] - AI functionality in CLM tools
  • [13:51] - The future of chatbots and conversational AI: Predictions for availability and adoption
  • [16:50] - Building a legal operations team: Justifying the investment with data and reports that appeal to the CFO
  • [17:54] - Demonstrating the business value of legal operations
  • [20:34] - The trend of outsourcing legal operations 
  • [22:09] - Building a Legal Ops role
NOTABLE QUOTES:
  • [02:25] - “One of the coolest things about legal operations is its breadth of scope, not only relative to what we do in the various functional areas we cover but also in terms of who we work with.” - Mike Haven
  • [04:18] - “Historically, legal departments have erred on the side of caution, probably spending more time on contract processes and review than is really needed. And with modern technology, that's becoming more and more true.” - Mike Haven
  • [05:00] - “I've heard recently about a couple of misguided companies reducing or eliminating legal staff due to hard economic times, which in my view is crazy. I feel they should be doing the exact opposite.” - Mike Haven
  • [05:25] “Innovation is no longer something that will be required at some point in the future. It's no longer optional. We have to get more out of the resources allocated to us by the company to keep the business running and to absorb incremental business demand and deliver results that directly impact the bottom line in a positive way.” - Mike Haven
  • [10:54] - “Contracts are touch points between legal and the business and through sound use of process and technology, legal can leverage the treasure trove of data in contracts to provide data insights to the business.” - Mike Haven
Frictionless Contracting - Otto Hanson17 Apr 202300:13:06
In this episode of Contract Heroes we are joined by the CEO of TermScout Otto Hanson. During our discussion we talk about the future of contract management, what TermScout is, and how it can help organizations regardless of how they are currently managing their contracts.
Gaining Stakeholder Support In Your CLM Journey04 Apr 202300:14:22
During this episode of Contract Heroes we sat down with Dawn Richards. Dawn has an impressive history of leading contracting teams at orgs like Accenture and KPMG and is currently a Sr Contract Manager at VMWare. During our conversation we discussed: How a CLM tool and contract management team can help on a deal-by-deal basis and how to get other departments and stake holders involved in the CLM buying process.
The Impact of ChatGPT on CLM - Zach Abramowitz27 Mar 202300:37:59
On this episode of Contract Heroes we met with Zach Abramowitz, the founder at Killer Whale Strategies, a legal industry consultancy firm. He is a thought leader in legal innovation, regularly speaking at conferences, and has a newsletter covering all things legal-tech. During this episode, we explore the impact that ChatGPT will have on the CLM space and legal teams, the potential benefits and challenges of incorporating AI into organizations, and how it can revolutionize the way in-house teams work.
Big Pharma's Rapid Vaccine Rollout With Josh Kreamer03 Jun 202400:16:50
Join us as we sit down with Josh Kramer, the Chief Strategy Officer at Fileread, and embark on a journey through the evolving landscape of legal operations. Josh recounts his time managing the legal services for one of the largest pharma companies during a period of exponential growth amid the pandemic. The conversation uncovers the intricacies of assembling a robust legal team in the midst of global chaos. With a focus on the symbiotic relationship between technology, process controls, and departmental communication, Josh shares the invaluable lessons he took from that experience, now applied in his role at the startup Fileread.
Defining Contract Principles - Jerry Silber16 Mar 202300:32:36
On this episode of Contract Heroes Jerry Silber the Vice President & Deputy General Counsel at Verizon Business Group joins us to discuss 6 contracting principles to help your team simplify over-complicated agreements, understand what data is important to monitor post-signature and so much more!
LIVE: Procurement Change & Claims Management - Jerry Pessah07 Mar 202300:24:49
In this episode of Contract Heroes, we met with Jerry Pessah the Director II, Contract Manager at Flour Corporation. During his career, he has managed over 7 billion in procurement contracts and helped his clients save over $700 million in claims and negotiations. During our conversation, we discussed what claims management is, why post-execution contracting tasks are so important, and how a real-time procurement process can help businesses avoid potential claims by identifying issues early on in the process.
LIVE: Increasing Legal & Procurements Value Through Technology - Steve Brown28 Feb 202300:18:31
On this episode of Contract Heroes recorded live at the WorldCC Conference in Phoenix last year, we sat down with Steve Brown the Senior Manager of Legal Managed Services & Contract Lifecycle Management at EY Law. During our conversation, we discussed how technology can help both legal and procurement teams focus on high-value work, how to continue to maintain your CLM tool beyond go-live, and how to make sure all of your stakeholder's needs are met when evaluating vendors.
LIVE: Preventing Contract Revenue Leakage - Leandro Doca21 Feb 202300:20:50
On this episode of Contract Heroes, we sat down with Leandro Doca, the VP and head of CCM for Americas at Capgemini. Drawing on his years of expertise, Leandro shared many tips around aligning third-party and client contracts in order to prevent revenue leakage, tips on evaluating tools to help you your team advance in their contract management journey, and so much more.
Automating Outcome-Based Contracts - Anna Fink-Carratt & Phil Dungey13 Feb 202300:28:06
In our most recent episode of Contract Heroes Phil Dungey of Deloitte Legal and Anna Fink-Carratt of SirionLabs helped us break down the key points of codifying your contracts, especially in organizations with complex compliance standards. During our conversation we discussed: What outcome-based contracting is, what industries are using these types of contracts, steps an organization can take to evaluate their contract processes, and so much more!
Live: Common CLM Implementation Pitfalls - Lewis Bretts03 Feb 202300:18:50
On this episode of the Contract Heroes we were joined by Lewis Bretts, the Group Managing Director for LOD + SYKE in the US. During our conversation, we touched on a number of things including the main problems most customers face during CLM implementations and how to solve them, the importance of incorporating non-legal stakeholders in your CLM implementation process, advice on where to start the CLM journey, and what to avoid, and so much more.
LIVE: Departments Roles In The Contract Lifecycle - Nick Chatas17 Jan 202300:12:32
Nick brings a unique perspective to the discussion of CLMs, having held different positions all throughout GM during his career so far. His broad understanding of the various departments makes him well-suited to help select the CLM tool the company will eventually adopt.
LIVE: Integrating CLM Into Your Tech-Stack - Roderick Wade10 Jan 202300:26:40
Joining us for a second time on the show in this episode is Roderick Wade, the Vice President of Contract Management at MedImpact. Rod handles relationships with clients of all shapes and sizes with a focus in the pharmaceutical field. During our live discussion at the WorldCC event in Phoenix we discussed: Why a CLM's ability to integrate with other parts of your tech-stack is so important, leveraging a CLM as your source of truth, how to learn from your contract data and build new processes from it and so much more!
LIVE: Legal Design and Contract Visualization - Stefania Passera06 Jan 202300:20:41
Stephania is the founder at Passera Design and the co-founder of the Legal Design Alliance. She is also the inventor of the Legal Design Jam, a sought-after keynote speaker, trainer, and published author. She holds a doctoral degree from Aalto University, where her empirical dissertation focused on how visualization can improve contract user experience and foster better business relationships. During our time together we discussed how the use of diagrams, images, and visually structured layouts can make contracts more understandable and engaging for their day-to-day users, why following a user-centered approach is so important when it comes to contract design and so much more!
How To Avoid Common CLM Implementation Pitfalls - Bernadette Bulacan12 Dec 202200:30:33
In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had the chance to speak with a well-known figure in the CLM space, Bernadette Bulacan. Bernadette is the Chief Evangelist at Icertis and has been working in legal tech for over 2 decades. During our discussion we touched on: How legal departments have evolved over the past 5-10 years, how can other departments in an organization benefit from a CLM tool, what Pitfalls to watch out for when starting a CLM implementation, how do you handle extracting and migrating data when moving to a new contract management tool and so much more!
It's Time To CLOC In With Navin Mahavijiyan05 May 202400:47:13
If you're heading to CLOC this week, then this episode is tailored just for you! Navin Mahavijiyan joins the podcast to impart invaluable insights based on his experiences at previous CLOC events. During our conversation we discuss strategic approaches to planning your conference attendance, including selecting the most beneficial sessions and arranging pivotal meetings. We explore the art of networking, underscoring the significance of connecting with peers before the event to maximize your opportunities for growth and learning.
Tips For CLM Vendor Selection - Lara Trope29 Nov 202200:36:04
In this episode of Contract Heroes, we met with Lara Trope. Lara has experience as both inside and outside counsel and now works as a legal operations consultant at InnoLaw. During our discussion, we talked about how to narrow your search for a CLM tool, what action items you should make sure your team and the vendors are taking to help make sure you're properly evaluating vendors, and also who on your team should be a part of the selection process.
Training the Next Generation of Contract Professionals - Jeanette Nyden17 Nov 202200:35:07
In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had the chance to chat with author and commercial contracting expert, Jeanette Nyden. Jeanette has written 4 books sharing her expertise in the contracting field and currently provides a range of online and in-person training programs to help contract professionals master the ins and outs of contract management.
Building Relationships Through Contracting With Alex Hamilton25 Oct 202200:29:28
In this installment of Contract Heroes, we sat down with the CEO of Radiant Law, Alex Hamilton. Alex set up Radiant Law in 2011 and helps his customers by optimizing how large they create, negotiate and manage their commercial contracts. During our conversation, we discussed how relationships play a pivotal role in contracting processes, how to create reasonable contracts, and tips for building playbooks & templates.
The Impact of CLM On Procurement With Prashant Dubey11 Oct 202200:36:57
In this episode of Contract Heroes, we sat down with VP of Contract Solutions and Disability Inclusion at Elevate, Prashant Dubey. Prashant hails from a varied background, starting out in healthcare for about a decade before moving west in the late 90s to switch industries. Throughout our conversation, Prashant drew on his extensive experience working with contract lifecycle management (CLM) software to talk about the growing impact of CLM on procurement departments as well as the key functionalities that proper contract management can accomplish.
The Journey From In-House To Outside Counsel - Jeff Pomeraz20 Sep 202200:35:27
Contract Heroes with Jeff Pomeraz

In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had the chance to chat with founder of Pomeranz Law, Jeff Pomeranz. Jeff worked as an in house attorney for 10 years before opening his own firm in Florida at the end of 2017. Over the years, his firm has evolved into one that splits between business transactional work and litigation, making excellent use of the variety of skills he picked up during his time working in house.

A bit different from our usual topics, our conversation this episode centered around Jeff’s unique experience transitioning from in house work to managing his own firm. He provided us with a ton of insight about managing different aspects of legal work, including talking to executives and, of course, managing contracts. Stick around until the end of the article to learn more about some of his tips for anyone looking to branch out and start a law firm of their own.

Working for Yourself

To kick things off, we wanted to know about how Jeff made the transition from in house work to building and managing his very own law firm. Turns out, he didn’t have any aspirations to start his own firm at first. His original goal when leaving law school was to end up working as general counsel for a successful company. However, as he worked his way into senior positions like the ones he imagined, he found that they didn’t provide him with the level of fulfillment he wanted from his work. At first, the title itself meant something to him, but gradually his fulfillment became about other things, like delivering good service to clients and finding a balance between work and family life. He eventually decided to try branching out on his own and discovered that having his own firm could provide him the flexibility he needed to adjust to what was most important to him at that moment.

Managing your own firm requires a lot of unique skills that Jeff managed to acquire throughout his 10 years working in house. His experiences provided him with an excellent introduction on how to practice law, allowing him to develop the technical skill set necessary to be an attorney as well as the self skills that are expected by both internal clients and his own clients now. He learned how to service clients and the nuances of providing good service, from communication to presentation. However, there is an extra skill set required when you work for yourself, which is management of the business side of things. At the start, Jeff was unsure how to market, what software he should use, how much he should charge, etc. But the whole endeavor is a learning process, and, as he worked at it for 2 to 3 years, he gradually figured everything out.

Talking to Executives 101

As the owner of his own firm, Jeff frequently works with all kinds of different organizations and executives. Throughout those experiences and by observing the feedback executives typically seek during meetings, he has developed a skill set that emphasizes straight answers that provide clients with the exact type of information they need. Jeff explained that most executives aren’t looking for an information dump when they ask for recommendations. Rather, they want to be put in a position to be able to make an informed decision. The way to bring value to a client, then, is to provide them with the facts they need in order to make that decision. Executives don’t have time to read a 10 page memo listing every fact, so you need to be able to choose the most relevant ones to present. Jeff suggests providing a condensed assessment of the issue followed by a short recommendation. Be prepared to answer questions quickly and concisely as well.

It’s also important to remember that clients might not always use your recommendation. This doesn’t necessarily mean you didn’t provide a good service. Oftentimes, you as an attorney may not be aware of all the extenuating business circumstances at play in a contract. The value of the service is allowing clients to make more informed decisions based on the information and expertise you provided.

The Value of Contract Management

Of course, we had to take a moment to pick Jeff’s brain about his experiences with contract management as well. Citing his own experience working in various companies, Jeff explained that part of the value of contract management is finding a way to maximize contract compliance and provide the company with data that can improve your contract processes. By setting up controls to collect data along with checks and balances between departments that keep the process moving steadily with minimal mistakes, you can make your processes more efficient. Having efficient processes and employees with a deep understanding of those processes makes the implementation of technology like contract lifecycle management (CLM) tools much easier.

One example of good CLM practices that Jeff talked about was centralizing the function of contracts. Contracts can funnel into one location, such as legal, and hit checkpoints along the way that make sure they’re ready to go forward. For example, a contract should have a short cover page that provides context and outlines the key terms and the value of the contract for the person signing it. In this way, you can make sure all the boxes are checked before contracts reach their final destination.

Tips for Starting Your Own Firm

If you’ve hit a saturation point in your career, you may be considering ways to change things up and make yourself more satisfied. These are the times when Jeff recommends branching out on your own. Feeling unfulfilled in your work, underpaid, or like your title doesn’t represent where you want to be are all great reasons to try something new. However, if you do decide to strike out on your own, you will need to first have a moment with yourself and make sure you’re fully committed to the idea. After all, managing your own business isn’t easy and requires its own set of soft skills like grit and believing in yourself. If you have those qualities, legal experience, and a desire for something more, working for yourself may be a great solution for you. 

For more exclusive chats with expert guests in the contract lifecycle management sphere along with valuable legal-tech advice, check out past installments of Contract Heroes and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode! If you have any questions for our guest, Jeff Pomeraz, he is available on LinkedIn and always excited to share his experiences with anyone looking to get started on their own.

The Current State of Legal Ops- Susan Packal07 Sep 202200:27:49
In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had the opportunity to chat with Susan Packal, the Vice President of Legal Ops at Snyk. Throughout our conversation, Susan provided a wealth of information about the current state of the legal ops realm as well as some essential tips for anyone just starting out in the space and those looking to hire legal ops roles.
Strengthening Small Legal Teams - Stefanie Frank22 Aug 202200:29:37

In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had the opportunity to chat with Vice President Associate General Counsel at Thriveworks, Stefanie Frank. Stefanie has been practicing law for about 8 years, having attended law school in North Carolina. She became the second attorney employed by Thriveworks, a mental health organization that offers both in-person and virtual appointments with licensed clinicians across all 50 states.

Throughout our conversation, Stefanie shared her experiences working with a very small in-house legal team as well as some of the nuances that come with managing contracts and legal issues in the realm of healthcare. Listen in to discover how she and her team have adapted to the ever-changing regulations of the healthcare system and the unique needs they sought to meet when selecting their own contract management tool.

AI & Contract Management - Jim Chiang15 Aug 202200:33:28

In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had the good fortune to be able to sit down for a chat with renowned AI expert, Jim Chiang. Jim is the founder of My Legal Einstein, an AI-powered contract acceleration platform. He has been submerged in the contract management space for some time, catering mostly to the AI side of CLM. He was the head AI engineer for major names in the CLM industry such as Apttus and Icertis and brings a wealth of both experience and knowledge to improve the way AI interacts with contracts. His goal and the goal of My Legal Einstein is to investigate how AI can transform the way people work in the contract space.

Our conversation with Jim touched on several aspects of the interaction between AI and contract management, exploring how the two can work together most effectively, the importance of honesty in technology, and the future of AI-based solutions as a whole in the world of contracts.

The Rules of Redlining - Nada Alnajafi26 Jul 202200:35:38

In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had a chat with contracting superstar Nada Alnajafi. Nada has been practicing law in-house for about 12 years, working mainly in the tech industry. She enjoys handling contracts throughout all phases of the process, from drafting to negotiating, even stating that contracts are her favorite part of the job. During our conversation, we discuss her blog (Contract Nerds) success, tons of tips around red lining, and her book: Contract Redlining Etiquette.

 

Building an in-house legal team from the ground up with Jack Terschluse20 Jun 202200:36:58
Building an in-house legal team from the ground up with Jack Terschluse We recently sat down to chat with Jack Terschluse, the corporate counsel for Balto based in St. Louis. Jack started his career at a large law firm, however, once the pandemic transitioned everyone into remote work, new opportunities became available and he moved to the in-house side of the law. He accepted a position as corporate counsel for Balto as a legal team of one and has since helped their team grow the legal department into what it is today. During our conversation we discussed: - Tips & tricks for a legal team of one - How to successfully build a business case and implement a CLM solution - How to build out a legal ops team at your organization
The Future Of AI and Its Impact On Legal Professionals Efficiency With Damien Riel11 Apr 202400:55:17

(0:00:05) - AI in Legal Practice With Damien

Exploring AI's role in law with Damien Riel, discussing reducing drudgery and standardizing legal data through SALI Alliance.

 

(0:06:34) - Streamlining Legal Research With Sally

SALI's legal data standards and AI's use of tags enhance legal research and promote universal understanding in the international legal industry.

 

(0:17:31) - Utilizing AI for Contract Management

Nature's structured tagging systems, Sally tags, are integrated in legal questions for business. AI tools aid in contract management and data-driven approaches enhance accuracy in negotiations.

 

(0:24:26) - AI in Legal Systems

Nature's contract analysis with vector space, AI bridging legal systems, and VLex's taxonomies for accurate translation.

 

(0:28:10) - Leveraging AI for Legal Efficiency

AI's impact on the legal industry, including 2023 tech layoffs, reshaping workflows, replacing tasks, and streamlining operations.

 

(0:40:29) - Legal Data and Language Models

LLMs have a transformative impact on legal research, offering out-of-the-box solutions and reducing the need for extensive human labor.

 

(0:48:06) - Leveraging Technology in Legal Industry

Organizational buy-in for integrating GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 into legal tech stack, data privacy, evolving skills in legal profession.

 

(0:54:04) - Exploring Future Growth in CLM

Damian shares insights on technological advancement and its applications, while Coho guides individuals through the complexities of CLM.

 

Tips for Developing Soft Skills with Patrick Barry06 Jun 202200:25:49
Tips for Developing Soft Skills with Patrick Barry

In this episode of Contract Heroes, we had a chat with soft skills specialist, Patrick Barry. Patrick has been working in-house as Associate General Counsel with Emerson Electric (more specifically their Commercial Residential Solutions subdivision) for 12 years. He explained that his role involves supporting the Emerson businesses in order to help them negotiate efficient and well-understood contracts by acting as a business partner with them. The ultimate goal is to create contracts that make the business happy while ensuring that customers and vendors always understand exactly what is expected of them.

Slightly different from our usual conversations, our focus during our chat with Patrick was on his list of 6 soft skills that lawyers and sales associates can use to cut through the bureaucracy involved in the contracting process and make sure negotiations run as smoothly and efficiently as possible. Read on to dive deeper into Patrick’s tips and how you can start applying them for yourself and your organization.

1. Find Commonality With the Other Side

Finding commonality is at the top of Patrick’s list for a reason. It is the first skill he typically recommends to lawyers. Most people on the sales team likely have a natural instinct for finding commonalities in order to sell more efficiently, but lawyers may not be used to taking the time to form connections like these prior to getting into the legal talk. Common ground does not have to be something complex either. In fact, the simpler the better, as it will be easiest for both sides to relate. Patrick recommends checking out the other party’s LinkedIn profile before the first phone call in order to locate that commonality and use it to bond right away. Whether it be the weather or attending the same school, bringing up common ground early on in the conversation sets a positive tone for the rest of the negotiations and makes it easier to work through any complicated issues that may arise later.

2. Figure Out Your Quarterback

Patrick next emphasized the importance of knowing who is the quarterback on your side of negotiations. Many might automatically assume a lawyer is a quarterback, but in some cases, it could be the sales or procurement departments. It is essential to determine who is the number one priority, and who is the person who has this agreement as to the first thing on their desk. Without a clear indication of the quarterback, negotiations can quickly become jumbled, and not everyone understands the game plan that will allow you to get across the goal line.

In fact, it is often the case that lawyers should not be quarterbacks, as they typically do not need to be involved with every contract. Coaching up the sales and procurement employees to know exactly when consulting the legal team is a necessity can be extremely helpful for keeping lawyers sane and putting more power in the hands of the business people. For example, NDAs are very standard documents. Utilizing a CLM tool to assist with the drafting process and simplifying the language of clauses can allow sales and procurement employees to handle standardized NDAs without needing to consult the legal department about them.

3. Size Up Personalities

Understanding the personalities of everyone involved in the negotiation is another key soft skill to emphasize. You should strive to understand the personalities not only of people from other organizations but also of your own internal employees as well. If you anticipate early on or even before initiating a conversation that this person may be aggressive or stubborn with you, you can plan ahead with effective strategies to handle that behavior and still create a productive conversation.

4. Minimize Redlines

Redlines are viewed very differently by the sales team and the legal team. Lawyers likely see them as a typical part of the negotiation process while business employees are more likely to view them as an inconvenience. Patrick explained that minimizing the number of redlines often leads to much smoother agreements, as it often avoids weeks of extraneous negotiation. For example, suppose you can spend an extra 10 minutes with a document and only change a few words rather than deleting an entire paragraph. In that case, it will be extremely helpful for avoiding frustrations, hang-ups, and confusion on both sides.

One of our hosts, Pepe, shared an example from his experience working at a bigger law firm. He recounted that he received a document from a client to review and did not see any problems with it, so he sent it back to his partner saying just that. His partner, however, was shocked and could not believe that they would be billed for reviewing the document without providing any changes. Many lawyers have this same stigma in their heads and may believe that if they do not make changes, then it may seem that they have not properly reviewed the document. This is not the case. In fact, making fewer changes will help the deal move forward faster and keep the client happy.

5. Prioritize Upfront

Setting priorities with all involved parties is another important soft skill. Before lawyers spend weeks redlining a document, Patrick encourages the sales or procurement team to spend 10 minutes deciding the top 5 issues that are deal-breakers within the agreement. If those issues cannot be resolved, then it is not even worth looking at the rest of the document. Outlining these priorities in exact detail prevents lawyers from having to guess what the main issues are. Guesses typically lead to wasted time and an insurmountable roadblock in the end. The goal is to avoid spending time on less important negotiable terms and instead prioritize those which actually bring more value to the contract.

6. View All Terms as Commercial Terms

The final soft skills tip that Patrick gave us was to view all contract terms as commercial terms. In this way, you can make sure that the business employees are involved with the agreement and understand the terms from their own perspectives. You do not want sales and procurement teams to view the legal department simply as a roadblock that impedes their attempts at making deals. In fact, business employees can often be the best advocates for lawyers and important contract terms once they have an understanding of them, as they can take that knowledge back to their own department and explain why the terms need to be negotiated in the first place. Lawyers should be viewed as business enablers instead of as roadblocks. After all, the ultimate goal of the contracts being drafted is to create a new commercial relationship with an outside party, so viewing items in commercial terms instead of only in legal terms can be extremely helpful to everyone working on the agreement from all sides.

For more exclusive chats with expert guests in the contract lifecycle management sphere along with valuable legal-tech advice, check out past installments of Contract Heroes, and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode! If you have any questions for our guest, Patrick Barry, he can be found on LinkedIn and is always excited to share stories or chat about experiences in the legal community.

How Stanford's Codex is shaping the future of law with Roland Vogl31 May 202200:33:19
Contract Heroes with Roland Vogl

In this installment of Contract Heroes, we had a chat with a long-term partner in the legal tech space, Roland Vogl. Roland is the executive director of CodeX, the Stanford Center for Legal Informatics, which is a joint center between the law school and the computer science department at Stanford University in California. The mission of CodeX is to bring information technology to the legal system in order to make work more efficient for all kinds of stakeholders.

Born and raised in the Austrian mountains, Roland grew up with the intention of practicing law in Austria. However, once he was introduced to the international climate while studying abroad in the UK, he quickly decided to seek out global work, eventually partnering with European institutions in Brussels. There, he became interested in privacy law and data protection, a major point of contention in the late 90s, and ended up attending Stanford University for his Masters program. After working at a tech law firm, he found an opportunity to rejoin Stanford as a teaching fellow in a new program focused on law science and technology. During his time at Stanford in the past 20 years, he helped co-found CodeX and has been involved in the overall growth and development of legal technology and computational law.

Throughout our conversation with Roland, we learned all about the foundation of CodeX while also gaining some insight into how legal tech has changed over the years from his perspective working intimately in the space. Read on to hear more about some of Roland’s unique experiences as well as some tips he shared for lawyers and law students looking to involve themselves in a less traditional career path.

The History of CodeX

To kick things off, we wanted to know a little more about how CodeX came to be and how it has evolved over time. Roland began by explaining that about 15 years ago, they held a workshop at Stanford in which his former boss co-taught a course on computers and law. At the time, the internet was starting to take off which meant there were more data available as well as new legal modeling and knowledge representation techniques. They decided that it would be an excellent time to devote attention to these topics and came up with the idea to create CodeX. 

The name CodeX itself stems from the intersection of legal code and computer code (and the fact that several other centers at Stanford also used “X” in their titles). The second part of the name, “Stanford Center for Legal Informatics,” was a bit of a toss-up at first, as they had trouble choosing between the phrases “legal informatics” and “computational law.” While the center's main focus involves the automation of legal reasoning (which is essentially computational law), they wanted to be inclusive of other techniques as well, landing on the phrase “legal informatics” instead.

The center experienced a swell of interest in new approaches from around 2008 to 2010, and they began holding weekly group meetings for more and more people to pitch their ideas. Over time, CodeX became not just about research, but also about building a community in which people could discuss their ideas with like-minded individuals. It showcased the power of making a network. This eventually led to the establishment of the Future Law Conference about 10 years ago, which is a flagship program that seeks out important trends to pay attention to in the legal innovation community. It offers a platform for people to showcase their work and share their expertise while meeting others involved in similar spaces. April 2022 was the first time the conference was held in person since the start of the pandemic, and Roland encourages everyone to check out recently released videos documenting the conference.

The Evolution of Legal Tech

Since Roland has been involved in the legal tech realm for a while, we asked him to tell us about how the space has evolved over the years from his perspective. He explained that it is difficult to pinpoint one exact area that has changed because the space as a whole has exploded with growth. We have provided a list of the innovations that he described across a huge variety of divisions all located within the legal tech space:

- Law schools: Awareness has exploded for law schools, which have begun figuring out how to teach legal tech and computational law to their students and properly integrate it into the curriculum.

- Law firms: Looking to change the way they deliver services to their clients as a result of more pressure from clients to be efficient and deliver services in a tech-enabled way. Creating new services for clients like predicting legal outcomes and computational law systems that allow them to navigate through a workflow and receive legal answers via machine.

-  In-house departments: Using legal tech to improve how they serve their internal clients and keep costs at bay while not having to reinvent the wheel over and over with each newly drafted document.

- Courts: Looking for innovation in providing a better user experience for litigants.

- Government: Employing AI systems across various agencies.

Roland also mentioned a research project being conducted that focused on using computational law and computational contracts in the insurance space in order to generate a better experience for consumers. Clearly, legal tech can reach into any number of different places and will continue to extend into new communities. In fact, Roland stated that it is an exciting time to be a lawyer who knows how to integrate technology.

Tips for Legal Tech Startups & New Career Paths

To wrap up this amazing conversation, Roland shared his knowledge about founding a startup and a few unique career paths available to those looking for something a little different from the traditional legal paths. Here are a few of his valuable entrepreneurial tips:

- Startups bring out the best and worst in people, so find teammates who share your values.

- Listen closely to the customer. Do not operate in a bubble and come up with big theoretical ideas without checking back with customers first to make sure it caters to what they really want.

- Build both your dedication and your ability to overcome adversity.

- Fail fast and fail often because oftentimes the best way to learn is through trial and error.

- Match up a legal expert who knows the shortcomings of their area with a technologist who has the right skills to engineer a solution to those problems.

In terms of exciting and innovative career paths outside of the typical law firms, in-house counsel, and academia, Roland recommended looking at areas like contract lifecycle management (CLM) and e-Discovery. Even if you are not interested in going the competitive startup route, there are plenty of jobs available at existing companies as a legal technologist.

For more exclusive chats with expert guests in the contract lifecycle management sphere along with valuable legal tech advice, check out past installments of Contract Heroes, and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode! If you have any questions for our guest, Roland Vogl, you can check out the CodeX website or email him at rvogl@law.stanford.edu to set up a time to discuss any and all things legal tech-related.

The Evolution of the Legal-Tech space with Nick Rishwain13 May 202200:30:05
Contract Heroes with Nick Rishwain

In this installment of Contract Heroes, we sat down to chat with fellow legal tech podcaster, Nick Rishwain. Nick started his show, LegalTechLIVE, in 2015, when the realm of legal technology was still in the process of ramping up. Though he is currently on hiatus from the show, they have a log of 130 episodes, all showcasing fascinating interviews with founders of legal tech companies and startups. 

Nick first became interested in exploring the expanding universe of legal tech as a result of his employment with Experts.com, a marketing platform for expert witnesses and business consultants. The site started out somewhat akin to a directory but has since evolved into much more, allowing expert witnesses to market themselves to attorneys, businesses, and industries, and even offering flat fee searches for attorneys who do not want to perform searches themselves. Nick has been working there in a legal tech role for about 12 years and has done his podcast for 7 years. The idea for LegalTechLIVE struck him because he wanted to get to know other people in the industry and become more involved in the legal tech space. By promoting founders and the new, exciting things they were working on, he was able to network and build a community.

Read on to hear some of the highlights from our chat with Nick, including his perspective on how legal tech has evolved over the years and some excellent tips for marketing with lawyers.

The Evolution of Legal Tech

Since Nick has been involved in legal tech for 12 years, we wanted to kick off our conversation by hearing about the changes that occurred in the industry from his perspective, as both a podcaster and a member of the workforce. He explained that when he started it felt like most products were primarily eDiscovery, law practice management, or case management, but the industry has broadened significantly since then. There were only a few AI-based legal research tools receiving attention back in 2015, with CLM not even being a phrase utilized until a few years later. The startup space for legal research and IT solutions for offices, in particular, was not very vibrant when he first began the podcast. 

Nick stated that there has been both a broadening and a narrowing when it comes to the evolution of legal technology. The variety of tools and the number of concepts that now fall under the blanket of legal tech have most certainly broadened. Tools now are created with any number of unique purposes in mind, whether they are geared more toward a specific area such as compliance or justice, or they are designed to perform a specific function like managing text communications between lawyers and clients or innovating court reporting and legal intelligence. Some tools are created to go directly to the consumer while others are meant to be more enterprise-driven. All-in-all, the market is saturated with a huge amount of software, with many more options than were available in 2015.

The narrowing aspect comes into play when you consider what companies are prioritizing. As more options for tools become available with each one having its own unique perks and quirks, organizations can be more specific about what they want their legal tech software to accomplish within the company. An organization no longer needs to select from one or two extremely broad tools but rather can hone in on software that prioritizes the current and future needs of the company. In this way, legal tech solutions have both blossomed and somewhat narrowed in their scope.

Building a Community

We asked Nick to tell us a little bit about how he built up the community around LegalTechLIVE and how he went about finding guests to interview at the start. He explained that he was always most interested in speaking with legal tech founders before they became a big deal, those who were working on startups or series A companies. He did plenty of reading about the legal tech realm in general, which led him to find a number of people he could reach out to for interviews. He also utilized Google Alerts and social media like Twitter and LinkedIn to build connections with his peers and start making friends in the industry. In fact, he found searching through the legal tech hashtag on Twitter to be helpful as well.

Nick also stated that he typically sought out people who had new, exciting ideas about legal tech. There may have been hundreds of startups that all had the same concept, but Nick chose to highlight those who stood out with something more unique that had not already been done a thousand times. For example, many of the tools and services existed outside the legal realm already, but creative innovations needed to be made when adapting that software to work specifically for legal practices. Adding legal to a solution is essential if you want to be able to sell it to attorneys, and incorporating those aspects seamlessly could be quite difficult.

Laughing, Nick added that his superpower, if he has one, is promoting people and making friends. Since the start of his career as a podcaster, he has been able to help promote a number of founders and has even kept in touch with some, creating long-lasting friendships. Thanks to his expertise and the way he has built his reputation, some guests have even started to come to him to be interviewed instead of him reaching out first.

Tips for Selling to Lawyers

To wrap up our chat with Nick, we asked him to give a few tips to our viewers who may frequently find themselves trying to sell to lawyers. Ironically, his first tip was not to sell to lawyers at all, if you can avoid it! Instead, look for other stakeholders in the company, even paralegals or legal assistants. After all, many solutions will be enterprise solutions that help departments outside of just legal, so getting your foot in the door with these other departments may make it easier to finalize the deal. He also advised not to call lawyers on the phone to try to sell to them, as this can eat into their already packed schedules and leave a bad taste in their mouths. Keeping them in your email campaign and waiting for them to make the move on their own time is usually a better option. The final tip Nick provided was to attempt to integrate your legal tech solution into the company’s existing workflow, such as Microsoft Word or Outlook. Software that fits rather seamlessly into the established practices may sometimes be received more openly than stand-alone software.

For more exclusive chats with expert guests in the contract lifecycle management sphere and valuable legal-tech advice, check out past installments of Contract Heroes and subscribe so you don’t miss an episode! If you have any questions for our guest, Nick Rishwain, he is available on Twitter @LegalTechLIVE. You can also find episodes of his podcast on Apple, Spotify, and his website, https://legaltechlive.com.

Building the Bridge Between Business and Legal - Dan Hendy21 Apr 202200:35:43
Building the Bridge Between Business and Legal with Dan Hendy

This episode of Contract Heroes featured Dan Hendy, the Executive Vice President of Corporate and Commercial Solutions at UnitedLex. Dan has been working in legal operations since 2015 when he was first introduced to a legal ops role while employed at GE. Throughout our conversation, Dan shared his experiences with how the world of legal operations has evolved since its early days as well as some of the biggest mistakes and most valuable outcomes he has noticed during CLM implementations.

Evolution of Legal Operations

Since Dan has been hard at work in the legal ops world for 7 years now, we decided to start the show by picking his brain to find out more about how legal ops has evolved in his eyes and what it was like at its genesis. He explained he was interested in taking on his role at GE because he noticed a lot of moving parts in the legal department just were not working. The desire to fix these issues is a huge part of how legal ops began. As legal departments expanded, it became clear that they too would need a way to manage budgets, filter projects from other parts of the organization, and leverage spending on outside counsel. Back then, they were unable to collect operational data on the throughput and performance of the law department, making it difficult to meet today’s expectations of the legal team being governed the same way a CFO might run a finance department. 

Currently, legal ops are headed in a direction that builds the legal team as a business enabler. The chief legal officer is expected to present more than just details about individual cases being handled by the legal department. Instead, they must quantitatively show the impact they are having on the business via the data collected from contracts. This elevates legal team leaders and senior lawyers to the status of business partners, making them more credible with their peers and garnering well-deserved respect from other departments.

In summary, legal ops have evolved from merely managing outside counsel and your stack of technology to now having the proper data to make strategic decisions about how to run and structure the legal department.

Building the Bridge Between Business and Legal

Dan then gave us an excellent analogy to illustrate how a CLM solution can help the legal team provide better and more satisfying interactions with other departments who may have previously been hesitant to approach in-house counsel with their contract issues. Bringing up a handful of different food apps, he mentioned the concept of real-time tracking and how much it does to improve customer experience. By simply viewing the app, you can see where your food is and how long it will be until it arrives. A CLM solution can provide similar information for requests submitted to the legal team.

For example, if another department needs an opinion on a contract from someone in the legal team, they can submit their request and then have the ability to check the status of that request as well as who is handling it. Providing that visibility in real-time of how the task is being managed from within the legal department goes a long way in building the bridge between departments. It indicates the standard for different types of requests, allows lawyers to prioritize certain tasks, and gives others an idea of how long they can expect to wait before they hear back. In this way, the legal team clearly sets up and manages the expectations being placed on them.

The Biggest Mistakes During CLM Implementation

As we often discuss here on Contract Heroes, one of the biggest mistakes a company can make is to purchase a CLM tool without first fixing their contract processes, thus automating broken processes and wasting valuable time and resources. Dan provided us with an extremely helpful list of ways to avoid mistakes like this while implementing your own CLM solution.

- Start with your desired outcomes and work backward. What does the system need to produce by the end of the implementation? Utilize the “5 Whys Rule.” Choose an outcome that you think is a necessity, such as “I need to track approvals.” Ask yourself why you need to track approvals. “I need to show an audit trail.” Why do you need to show an audit trail? Keep following the statement back until you illuminate the real purpose, eventually reaching a much simpler process.

- Engage stakeholders and encourage executive sponsorship. A senior stakeholder in the company must make the implementation a priority and push people to adopt it. Without that backup from important groups outside of just legal, it will be difficult to make people excited about the change.

- Understand your contract processes. Not every contract process is created equal, so they should not all be treated the same. One out of hundreds of business associate agreements will not require the same attention as an 80-page agreement that takes 6 months to negotiate and is the driving force of your revenue. Pay attention to the differences in the processes and build the discipline to manage them properly.

Finding the Value of CLM for Your Business

Dan explained that there are generally two goals when it comes to CLM implementation: improving the employee experience or creating value via the use of technology. Clients need to sit down and figure out their motivating force for utilizing a CLM solution and how their business values that force before they begin the implementation itself. He went on to provide 3 illustrations of how different types of organizations may find value in their tech solution.

- Growth organizations: The motivation for a company that is focused on growth is speed and efficiency. They need to be able to process contracts quickly in order to gain more revenue. The focus may be on quantifying the timeline of the contract process and finding ways to speed it up.

- Big organizations: Established companies are often overrun with legacy contracts and may have no idea what information is locked away inside them. Moving all these documents into a repository and focusing on tracking certain data points within those contracts may help to identify areas where value erosion is occurring. The focus here may be on counteracting the value erosion that comes when you lack transparency in your contract portfolio.

- Compliance organizations: Companies that work in a higher-risk environment may need to prioritize the avoidance of litigation and commercial issues. Though this is harder to quantify than the other examples, CFOs are particularly understanding of the fact that not having a direct line of sight into your contract data can create unnecessary risks in the organization.

For more exclusive chats with expert guests in the contract lifecycle management sphere along with valuable legal-tech advice, check out past installments of Contract Heroes, and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode! If you have any questions for our guest, Dan Hendy, you can easily reach him on LinkedIn.

 

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