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My guest today, Kat Lieu, is a Vietnamese-Chinese cookbook author, and here to share more about how she's challenging this through her new cookbook, 108 Asian Cookies: Not-too-Sweet Treats from a Third Culture Kitchen. Kat is the founder of the popular online community, Subtle Asian Baking, and is the author of best-selling cookbook, Modern Asian Baking at Home as well as two others. Kat brings a third culture approach to Asian baking, baking and cooking by blending Asian ingredients with Western techniques. She also is an activist, donating her cakes and cookies to various events in Seatle, and raising thousands of dollars for charities and causes important to her. This year alone, she raised $10k for charity selling cookies through Instagram stories.

In today's episode, Kat shares how she approached 108 Asian Cookies as a cookbook that breaks down barriers being the first Asian-themed cookie cookbook. The cookbook incorporates savory ingredients and playful, incorporating matcha, black sesame cookies, pandan, ube, as well as more savoury and spicy cookies that feature fish sauce, MSG, miso, soy sauce, and Gochujang. Our conversation looks at how Kat has found healing through baking during challenging life moments, how her third culture identity infuses creativity into her kitchen experience, and the importance of challenging misrepresentation of Asian ingredients through a celebration of their culinary adaptations in cookies and the global community this shapes. 

 Resources:

• Buy 108 Asian Cookies
• Kat's Website: Modern Asian Baking
• Private Facebook Group: Subtle Asian Baking
• Substack: https://katlieu.substack.com/
• Threads: @katlieu
• Instagram: @katlieu

As this episode airs, it has been just over two years of Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza. Tens of thousands of Palestinian people have been killed, and entire cities have been reduced to rubble. And with this, there is a slow and brutal erasure of the rich histories of Palestinian gastronomy. 

My guest today, Lama Obeid, is here to explore the state of Palestinian food culture and the impact of the genocide on how people eat and break bread. Lama is a Palestinian writer residing in Palestine, with her writing focused on gastronomy, politics, culture, and travel. Lama's food writing before the genocide speaks to the vibrancy and communal nature of Palestinian cooking and hospitality, though she has since shifted to document the impact of the genocide, and speak to other Palestinian chefs, activists, and cookbook authors through her podcast and newsletter I Come From There. 

In today's conversation, we talk about the role that hospitality has played in Palestinian cooking and eating, the ways that preservation of food and recipes is maintained as resistance by Palestinians at home and in the diaspora, andhow the genocide has affected traditions around bread baking and eating, and how to look out for Palestinian food being appropriated by Zionist and Western attempts to make it vague and just Middle Eastern.

Resources:

• I Come From There newsletter by Lama 
• Other writing by Lama: https://www.newarab.com/author/72243/lama-obeid 

On the show today are Norma Listman and Saqib Keval, looking at the solutions and communities that can be built when activism and ethical values are at the forefront of food creation. Norma and Saqib are the chefs and restauranteurs behind Masala y Maíz, which TIME Magazine named as one of the top destinations to visit worldwide, and its slightly more casual Indian-Mexican sister restaurant, Mari Gold. Norma and Saqib were also just featured in the most recent season of Chef's Table on Netflix.

Masala y Maíz seamlessly blends Indian, East African, and Mexican flavours inspired by the cultures of the husband-wife team. In addition to being renowned globally for its genre-bending and deeply personal cuisine, Masala y Maíz champions a movement of social justice through food, prioritizing quality of life for their staff and farmers and serving as a testament to the idea that a values-based workplace can also be a thriving workplace.

In today's conversation, Norma and Saqib share how they moved the idea of Masala y Maíz from a research concept into a full restaurant, even after not being so sure about staying in the industry for all its shortcomings), how experiences with local flavours on a menu can fuck with your brain and decolonize how you think about ingredients, and the importance of corn in cultural, social, and decolonial approaches to food.

Resources: 

• Social Media: @masalaymaiz @normalistman @saqibkeval
• Website for Masala y Maíz
• Eastern Standard Times interview
• Book mentioned: México Between Feast and Famine: Food, Corporate Power, and Inequality by Enrique Ochoa   

Sometimes the stories we want to share through AnthroDish are bigger that just one person's perspective. We've been working to create more thematically based narrative-style episodes, using multiple interviews to explore how different folks look at the same topic. In this way, we're able to get a bigger picture story about the ways in which food can be used as a tool for powerful social moments and conversations.

 Today we are sharing the story of FoodWorks, and what this program is doing to empower youth in the kitchen. FoodWorks is a social enterprise launched by Operation Come Home in 2016, in cooperation with Causeway Work Centre in Ottawa, Canada. The goal of FoodWorks is to provide meaningful work opportunities to youth while offering healthy meals to those who may need it. It began as a way to bridge the gap between youth and seniors in Ottawa through a meal delivery service, but the program has grown exponentially to better suit Ottawa's food culture and needs through meal delivery programs that are open to all residents, while also providing catering services for events and restaurants.

The program hires youth who are recruited from Operation Come Home, and helps them develop their culinary skills with a world-class chef, Bruce Wood. All proceeds go to supporting Operation come Home's mission of preventing homeless youth from becoming homeless adults. 

I spoke with four people who all work with FoodWorks or Operation Come Home in varied ways: Chef Bruce Wood, Eric Bollman, Mandi Lunan, and Katie Sanders. After learning about the program from Eric, I knew that it would be important to get different perspectives and voices on the show, given that their enterprise is so rooted in creating strong communities and empowering youth -- an individual interview just wouldn't cut it! I am excited to share the final product today with you, complete with some fun soundscape play woven throughout the narrative.

Learn More about FoodWorks

• FoodWorks Website
• Operation Come Home Website 
• FoodWorks on Instagram and Facebook
• Operation Come Home on Twitter 
• Idle Hands Art and Craft Event

You're probably wondering what the heck we're about to explore today… and indeed, it's going to be all about farts and gassy foods.  

My guest this week is Danielle Gendron, a PhD candidate at the University of British Columbia. Danielle and I work together on some research projects, and have been friends for a while through that. She first pitched this idea to me back in the spring, and I laughed at it, almost dismissively. But then I started thinking more about what she had to say, and realized we absolutely had to explore this on the show.

Danielle's Master's research topic was about food sovereignty, where she explored the significance of territory-based food systems to Gitxaala First Nation culture and their ways of knowing. Through her work, she traced one particular food, seaweed, through the Gitxaala food system from harvest to processing to consumption. During her experiences there, she soon found out that eating a lot of seaweed can make you very… gassy.

It's something that feels silly but is, as Danielle says, a legitimate thing to explore. So we're exploring this more today with a bit of fun – while Danielle does share some really important lessons and experiences she had working with Gitxaala First Nation, we're focusing more on the idea of farting itself – what makes it such a taboo subject, why do we always giggle when it comes up, and why isn't it being studied at all in anthropology? Why do we have internal dilemmas about sharing our stories and research about gassy foods and the farts they produce?  

Tune in to hear more! 

Resources 

• Farting in Anthropology PopAnth post by Kirsten Bell 
• Danielle Gendron's research at UBC 

The past week or so has been a bit of a whirlwind for me personally, and I'm sure anyone who's in academia and in the full swing of the fall semester can attest to! So what a perfect time to have my guest this week, Dr. Michael B.C. Rivera on the show.

Michael is also an anthropology podcaster and the host of the incredible Arch and Anth podcast, a three-a-week show featuring interviews with experts on human history, biology, and cultures. We're doing a special guest swap this week – so we did a double header interview. Michael interviewed me over on his show, and I've linked that interview if you'd like to learn more about some of my PhD work, and then we took a quick break and switched hats, so I could ask him about his research.

Michael is a biological anthropologist and specializes in studying coastal human archaeology. He has previously worked at the Universities of Kent, Copenhagen, and Cambridge. He completed his PhD research in 2018 exploring life and human health in prehistoric Estonia and Latvia. His other activities involve teaching students, engaging with inclusion and equity issues in academia, and climate justice. Today, you'll hear from him on how we can interpret the diets of prehistoric coastal peoples – did coastal resources mean different bodies, or different health trajectories? Tune in to find out the answers! 

Learn More About Michael 

• Arch and Anth Podcast Website 
• Instagram: @archandanthpod
• Twitter: @ArchandAnthPod
• Dr. Rivera's Twitter: @riveramichael
• Sarah's episode on AAAP

If you've been listening to AnthroDish for a while, you know I get really critical when it comes to the idea of what we define "health" as or how we define and understand "diets" – and this week's guest, Kaila Tova, explores the depths of how healthism and fitness can blend into harmful disordered eating behaviours, like orthorexia.

After recovering from orthorexia, anorexia, and an exercise addiction, Kaila began a career in marketing while moonlighting as a body image coach for women recovering from eating disorders and disordered eating. She is also the creator and host of the brilliant podcast, Your Body, Your Brand. The 15-episode podcast documentary focuses on marketing literacy, neoliberal feminism, and identity economics in the context health and fitness entrepreneurship. This fall, she also joined the University of Wisconsin-Madison's Communication Arts Department to pursue a PhD in Rhetoric, Politics, and Culture.

Orthorexia is a complicated term, as Kaila explains, because it's not an officially recognized eating disorder, but it's impacting a lot of folks who are engaging in fitness and nutrition communities. And how do these deep connections we make with our need to control our food and exercise impact our identities? What about our brands? We explore all these questions and more in our chat, which I think we both agreed could have lasted for HOURS. 

Connect with Kaila! 

Instagram: @bodybrandpod or @performingwoman

Twitter: @bodybrandpod

Website: kailatovaprins.com or https://www.bodybrandpod.com/

Podcast: Your Body, Your Brand 

We're all at this point used to food terms being thrown around in the grocery store – organic, GMO-free, natural, superfoods… but what do these really mean? Superfoods is a term that I'm also fascinated by. My guest this week is award winning producer, director, filmmaker, and writer, Ann Shin, who explores this in her documentary, The Superfood Chain. In addition to this, she is well known for directing the documentaries The Defector: Escape from North Korea and My Enemy, My Brother about the true story of 2 enemies from the Iran-Iraq War.

 She asks these questions we tend to take for granted – are superfoods really great for you? How does the global demand for superfoods impact indigenous cultures who grow these foods and depend on them as staples? The SuperFood chain is a beautiful cinematic documentary that investigates how the superfood industry affects the lives of farming families in Bolivia, Ethiopia, the Phillipines, and Haida Gwaii.

We explore these questions around what makes a superfood super, and how these demands for superfoods in Western cultures impact global communities, along with some tools and examples of how governments and food producers respond or adapt to shifts in food demands, and the process of making the film itself for her and her family.

Learn More About Ann Shin! 

• The Superfood Chain Documentary 
• Instagram: @thesuperfoodchain or @ann.shin1
• FathomFilm (for more of Ann's documentaries and films)
• Watch The Superfood Chain on TVO 

As the conversations and concern about the climate crisis continue to grow on a global scale, can be overwhelming on a personal level thinking about solutions. Sometimes we feel an individual burden around our choices when it comes to food, waste, or consumerism. My guest this week, Dr. Philip Loring, is someone I always look to when I need a mental reset about how to approach climate and human wellbeing in meaningful ways.

Phil is the Arrell Chair in Food, Policy, and Society with the Arrell Food Institute, and an associate professor in the department of Geography at the University of Guelph. Phil's research focuses on the intersection of ecosystem health, human well-being, and sustainability. His research has taken him to such locales as Alaska, Mexico, the Canadian Prairies, Ireland, and Thailand, which we'll hear a bit more about today. Additionally, he has a forthcoming book called "Finding Our Niche" that explores the potential for win-win scenarios in our food systems, out in fall 2020.

 Today we're exploring the idea of sustainability and what that really means within food systems, the ways in which reconciliation movements connect with food systems and research partnerships, and what he calls "win-win" scenarios for sustainable ecosystems. His approaches to human and ecosystem wellbeing are always really inspirational to me, and I'm very excited to share this conversation with Phil!

 Learn more about Dr. Loring!  

• Twitter: @conservechange
  
• Conservation of Change Website
  
• Finding Our Niche book updates
  
• TedX Talk: No More Heroes
  

There are certain people in this world that I could just listen to forever, they're an absolute wealth of knowledge and experiences and my first guest of season 4, Arlene Stein, is one of those people.

Arlene is the founder and executive director of the Terroir Symposium, a catalyst for creative collaboration and social and environmental responsibility in the hospitality industry. Since 2006, Terroir has convened international and Canadian industry leaders annually at a two-day symposium in Toronto – and since 2014 at off-shoot events across Europe and North America, for education, networking, and inspiration. From her current home base in Berlin, Arlene travels globally to research responsible food systems and gastronomic innovations. 

Arlene has that magical ability to build community and knowledge around food and root it to place, to land, to context in a way that is truly inspiring. But what makes her even more incredible is the ease that she brought to this conversation. At the core of what Arlene does is foster a sense of community for local and international networks that relate around food: she breaks down the silos for restauranteurs, chefs, artisans, producers, academics, and so many more through Terroir events and workshops to foster conversations and collaborations.

In today's episode we explore what exactly the word terroir means and how the role that gastrodiplomacy can play into food systems and futures. I've included the links to Terroir's main website and for the Toronto symposium below, along with social media pages if you'd like to learn more about Terroir!

Learn More

• Terroir Symposium (May 4th 2020 in Toronto!) 
• Terroir Hospitality
• Instagram: @terroirtalk (for global events) and @terroirsymposium (for the Canadian symposium)
• Twitter: @terroirtalk
• YouTube: Terroir Hospitality