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In this episode, we discuss the upcoming election on May 3rd with Alex Fein from RedBridge and Populares’ Ed Coper.

These two people have their fingers (and toes) on the pulse more than most politicians — and the word that sums up the electorate in 2025 is “abandonment”.

And we make some ropey jokes from 2005, and get some predictions where this election will end up in 5 weeks time.

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G’day Fearmongers,

A reminder that our Melbourne Comedy Festival Show is only 3 weeks away!

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In this episode, we discuss Australia's unique relationship with the United States, ANZUS, Pine Gap and wading into AUKUS submarine deal. Guests Senator Jacqui Lambie and Dr. Emma Shortis provide insights into Australia's defence strategy and the challenges posed by reliance on foreign powers.

It’s a very silly and smart conversation — about one of the most complex relationships that underpins my own anxiety.

See you at the big show

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Howdy Fearmongers,

Trying to make sense of the US Elections is a fools errand.

Well, consider us your fools.

I spent Wednesday afternoon not being able to do work, or anything really, the limit of my motor skills maxed out at flipping between live YouTube channels of US based news and refreshing the NYT app. This was the wrong choice. If I’ve learned anything from following US elections — no one knows anything, and everyone is making it up.

As the red wave continued to spill across the USA I said “F it”, and walked to the pub. My wife and I sat in the spring afternoon sun, drinking a non-alcoholic beer, (because I’m now a soy boy that has been fully cucked) and feeling grateful that we live in Australia, and surely, nothing like that could happen here. Right? 🥔

On this week’s pod we chat with US comedian, journalist, activist and friend of the pod Francesca Fiorentini (The Bitchuation Room), and also we’re lucky enough to grab Amy Remeikis in between meetings at her new gig at the Australia Institute.

We have a big conversation analysing why the Democratic party lost this election, and what another Trump administration means for climate action and what if a social media ban is just a cynical attempt at stopping 13 year olds being radicalised by Joe Rogan.

Cheers

Dan

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Trigger Warning:

• On this week's podcast we discuss in depth Scott Morrison's Are You Okay Day instagram video.

• Comedian and host of the Dead Dad's Society Podcast Mitch Garling talks us through what it's like to be mistaken for COVID19 Crisis Actor.

• Blair Palese also joins us to call bull shit on NewsCorp's promise to do better on climate action.

• We also ask why Greg Hunt couldn't open an email to save his life.

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation. Good evening Lewis. Hello Daniel. How are you? I'm well I'm well and I just want to say a big sorry to Jane Kara who was gonna join us for this show. But she had a computer glitch and can no longer join us. And this is the second time that she's been ousted from irrational fear thanks to computer glitches. I don't know exactly what's going on there.

Lewis Hobba  0:26  
I don't know one doesn't want to hear.

Dan Ilic  0:29  
Someone can't handle the truth Bill Gates can't handle the truth. Hey, Louis, remember when I when I found out that we were on a list of best podcasts in Australia and we were 97 I found out I'm on another list this week. I'm in the in the watch list. I'm in the top 500 most influential tweeters on climate change. I'm between shell and the United States Department of Energy. Do you have any idea where that puts me?

Lewis Hobba  0:59  
Like between 304 137/37

Dan Ilic  1:01  
influential person on Twitter according to coordinate this list slightly above the IPCC and the climate council?

Lewis Hobba  1:14  
Yeah, having you in between those two? I don't know if you've seen that that new KFC burger where they like invert the fillets and the feeling is instead of putting the good things in the middle they put the two chicken fillets as bread and they put the feeling in the middle yes you you're in the middle you're the little bit of lettuce you're the healthy decision as to unhealthy chicken fillets killing the world on the other end.

Dan Ilic  1:38  
That's right and it's you know, on the put it another way, like on the beat you don't want in your chicken burger. Yeah. I thought that was really fun. Hey, I'm recording my end of irrational fear and gadigal land in the yard nation's sovereignty was never ceded. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.

Unknown Speaker  1:57  
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Dan Ilic  2:10  
Tonight America asked whoever the last one out of Afghanistan is to please turn out the light and Scott Morrison came to Sydney to give the headline address at the safety for Jenny and the girls brunch summit. And Western Australia records Australia's biggest ever surplus. Even that can't justify $7 flat whites. It's the 10th of September 2021. And we're all out of Kmart plates. This is a rational, irrational

Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former wag Dan Ilic It is great to have your company let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. I I was gonna introduce Jen Kara, but I won't because she's not here. So instead, I'll introduce Blair to laser laser laser is one of the most effective climate activists. She co founded 350 dot org. And she was also at a very special news called function 18 years ago, which we're going to talk about a little later on. Welcome Blair to irrational fear. Thank you. Great to be here. And he's been labelled as a COVID crisis actor. Does this mean he's eligible for best new talent at the Lucky's it's the host of the dead dead society podcast. It is comedian Mitch garling. Mitch, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. You have had quite a wait place. Take Lewis and Blair through it. What happened this week? Well, look,

Unknown Speaker  3:36  
it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy. First of all, I love the idea about best new talent for the lucky that is great, I will write that down.

Dan Ilic  3:45  
I've got some bad news and leggies has been cancelled the last two years, you know,

Mitch Garling  3:50  
you might have just tried again. Or if maybe if COVID hangs around for a bit longer. I'll go 2022 logos or 2023, something like that. But essentially guys, what happened was is there was a bunch of videos going around of patients in the hospital was filmed and released by New South Wales health that these people that had COVID checking in on them saying, you know, don't obviously don't get it. That's a that's a big one. But it's like just checking in on them really. And apparently one of the guys looked like me. So I started getting a lot of hype. So people people went into my acting star now profile and my name and my Facebook page and ran with it. And yeah, I copped a lot of abuse over the last 10 let's say 10 days now.

Dan Ilic  4:40  
So just just to clarify you're not in a guy called a sama who lives in Western Sydney

Unknown Speaker  4:47  
zero COVID zero sama you know it's not assignment not don't have COVID never had it have been COVID tested twice. I don't know if that if I need to prove that I definitely don't have it and not, not pretending to have it either is the biggest thing, I think.

Dan Ilic  5:08  
I mean, are there any benefits to being labelled as a COVID? crisis activity cost in more COVID crisis things like you know, the boom industry?

Lewis Hobba  5:16  
meaa letting you sign up?

Unknown Speaker  5:20  
I think we get a I think as like, it's a bit of a, what's the word as like a benefit friends of Gladys kind of thing? I think we get out October 16. Instead of Mitch, have

Lewis Hobba  5:32  
you? Have you found out any way to contact the person who you're supposed to have been? No, I haven't. I've

Unknown Speaker  5:38  
literally was thinking about that today. Because now now that things have changed from your piece of shit to you guys should get together. That is actually such a good idea.

Lewis Hobba  5:50  
This is such a weird 2021

Unknown Speaker  5:54  
Yeah, and there's only a certain amount of people that will even appreciate the photo of human eye together. But I'm gonna hit that like that. That group thing. I love it.

Dan Ilic  6:06  
This is a Netflix sitcom. We're waiting to happen. This is great.

Unknown Speaker  6:10  
This is your 20 2021 version of that perfect strangers. We'd like Bronson Pinto. Do you remember that? Like the so now? I've absolutely I thought that was gonna hit. I thought that

Dan Ilic  6:23  
coming up later, we're gonna chat with bear plays about News Corp, and how they moving from a climate change denier to being a climate change action hero but whose benefit before then here's a message from this week's sponsor.

Unknown Speaker  6:35  
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Dan Ilic  7:24  
This week's first fear guy Sebastian apologises for posting a pro vaccination vaccination campaign to his Instagram but refuses to apologise for angels brought me here. I would never tell people what to do when it comes to what they put in their body Sebastian said in an Instagram post. At the same time Sebastian's wife immediately deleted several posts of her own telling people that they should be putting nature's way vitae gummies in their bodies. I don't know I've done my own research here. And according to several sources on the internet nature's way vitae gummies are incredibly delicious. Sophie mangas has guy Sebastian, let us down here, Mitch garling. Look,

Unknown Speaker  7:59  
I'm not sure if he's let us down. as such. I think there seems to be a lot of questions about like everything here. We're talking about guy we're talking about jaws a lot of this. These two seem to be coming up. But the problem that I have is that once again, no one is giving any respect to nosy no one has bought at any point. No one has even asked how he's doing what he thinks. Does he take vitamins? Yeah, we don't know.

Lewis Hobba  8:29  
Yeah, yeah. He's sitting there going. What about me? I was the first thing I did, Mitch, at the moment I saw the guy's Russian story. The first thing I did was go straight to nauset Instagram just to see if he'd made any comment. He's a Instagram is like, genuine pure country dat energy. It's just like he is he is my new truck. He is a roast lamb. He is the shape that I was writing for the last three years before I turned it into this first lamb

Dan Ilic  8:59  
guys video did have a strong kind of hostage feel about it. Like he really felt like he was being held hostage by a whole bunch of his his fans for promoting vaccines. Yeah, I mean, he said in he said in this video, and I think it's interesting. There are personal circumstances that everybody has to consider when it takes the vaccine. So what are these personal circumstances it is so hard to kind of even fathom what those personal circumstances are. Things like belief in science big stuff. Actually, I feel like that's it because he's a large part of his audience are really hugely Christian and there's like all these rumours about about stem cells and foetuses being used in these vaccines. And that's the personal circumstances just say it decide guy put it out there. Exactly. Let us know how crazy you

Blair Palese  9:51  
are. If you're gonna, you know circle around trying to not nail it down one way or the other. You know, the apology after for the apology. The apology seems largely confused at the end of it.

Lewis Hobba  10:04  
It's actually so amazing because he between this and the apology had to make for being like Scott Morrison's, sort of show pony for the announcement of the funding for performing artists. It's now at a point where most Australians are more familiar with these public apologies than his songs.

Dan Ilic  10:22  
Yeah, I really liked I really liked his 920 19 apology. Yeah, he's 2022 apology tour is pretty good.

Lewis Hobba  10:29  
When there's the award for Best compilation of public apologies. He's absolutely going to ramp that in.

Dan Ilic  10:36  
I'm really enjoying what man with the dominant klore on YouTube has said, what happened to not getting advice from some guy on the internet?

Unknown Speaker  10:45  
There's that whole thing going around that he's patient zero anyway, because of the the Instagram photos of him in Wuhan in late 2019.

Dan Ilic  10:55  
Oh my God, is this is this true?

Unknown Speaker  10:58  
Yeah. So it's kind of a it's kind of interesting. Like, I mean, now the now the anti Vax stance kind of makes sense. It's like you don't want to ruin your own work. Yeah, you're not wrong about that video.

Lewis Hobba  11:12  
That photo that this is talking about? Like it's obviously it's incredible. But that the it's so good the captions that he puts on it, uh, so perfect. It's him in we're in Busan. And the caption is, he's like, so great to be here. Beautiful word hon. I showed it ate some strange things. Hashtag big things coming. I did it. Well is incredible. That is incredible. He is patient zero.

Unknown Speaker  11:40  
Wow. irrational fear is horrible. But we also need to put things into perspective. There are 8 million citizens who don't have a choice in how they spend their free time. That is no way to leave. Your fear is irrational.

Dan Ilic  11:53  
Now remember when Scott Morrison and Greg Hahn said that Australia was at the front of the queue when it came to ordering the Pfizer vaccine. Well, linked emails have shown that the Pfizer Pfizer reached out to the government in June last year saying hey, Australia, we've we've got some jabs. Do you want any and then Greg hunt and Scott Morrison rushed to do a deal. Five months later, five months later, in which time the UK in the US got in front of us five months. Now admittedly, it's a bit of a process because Pfizer wanted to be paid in US dollars. So Treasury had to work out just how many commuter car parks I would have to convert to buy the vaccines. See mongers from the front of the queue to the back of the queue. I'm beginning to think that our leaders are not very good at their jobs.

Lewis Hobba  12:41  
What do you think? Well, Dad, I mean, the Liberal Party over the last what 20 years has been very adamant about not wanting cue jumpers in this country. And I do think that you got to give it to them. I really have put their money where their mouth is

Dan Ilic  12:54  
they leading by example. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  12:57  
you can't help but wonder if any normal person had failed that badly at their job. And yet they're still in there. You know, not just one The Little Miss major mistake. 1000 people dead after the next but still in there. No accountability.

Dan Ilic  13:13  
You can't we can't get rid of them. We can't get rid of them for another few months. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  13:17  
the health minister or the health department just comes across as a almost as a bit of a player or they come across as a bit of a fuck boy if I'm being honest. Like if you look at it, it's like, you know, they they got Pfizer interested, they hooked them in. Then they left them on red.

Dan Ilic  13:34  
Now negging now negging Pfizer.

Unknown Speaker  13:38  
And then five months later, they come back when there's no better options, they come back and they're like, where are you at? Like, come on. Now.

Dan Ilic  13:45  
Come on. Just a little prick. Just little prick. Come on. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  13:50  
You have a question mark message at 3am in the morning. He's Pfizer up like that.

Lewis Hobba  13:55  
Their defence is kind of like everyone's a hindsight here or we could all do it and there is like 5% of that that is true. Like I do remember when they were talking about the vaccines and everyone was talking about like one one company is going to make billions of dollars here. And every like non health experts non government experts were everyone was like man, if I've got 100 bucks I'm chucking it in like one medical company here just to say just so no one quite knew who was gonna win. So there is a degree of that like shore in hindsight we didn't know but also the idea of just like not showing up to a meeting with the one of the world's biggest companies when you knew that a vaccine was on the way that 95% of it is so dumb

Dan Ilic  14:37  
pandemic when when that's the that's the bloody job.

Unknown Speaker  14:41  
The only way and you know when you think this would be a good thing, why not throw us some effort at all three and then see which one sticks on the wall?

Lewis Hobba  14:51  
That's actually what they should have done play. It's just gotten a few professional gamblers. We're really did that in Australia. Yeah. Pfizer is in lane one. madona is in lane two. Yeah, just got Bruce McAvennie to call the whole thing would have been gripping.

Dan Ilic  15:06  
Yeah rather set up the National COVID Coordination Committee, which basically started a gas pipeline. They should have just got sportsmen to give them advice. Yeah, looks like guy, you know, I know we're paying them $2.50 AstraZeneca we're paying $1.80 to come through madona coming through and $4 ad

Unknown Speaker  15:27  
considering some of the advice that you can find online. Getting advice about vaccines from an X 40 player is probably Alright, like that's better than getting Tommy's wife or something, which seems to be the thing that happened at the moment.

Lewis Hobba  15:42  
The response from Scott Morrison is like, there's no greater sign that someone has fucked up and hearing a politician say, we're not looking at the past. We're looking at the future. Like you sent a Google Alert for that sentence. Every time someone has said it. Just like

Dan Ilic  15:59  
that person should be fired. Yes,

Lewis Hobba  16:01  
it should be fired. That is a fireable offence that sentence

Unknown Speaker  16:05  
rational fear that's a matter for the Queensland Government. I mean, that's a matter for the premier. That's a matter that all rise with other premiers and Chief Ministers. That's really a question to the brilliant, that's a matter of I'm happy to take up with the other premiers and Chief Ministers a rational theory.

Dan Ilic  16:19  
Now we're going to play Hang on a sec. I'll play a video if you want to chime in simply say, hang on a sec, and I'll stop the tape. This week's Hang on a sec comes from the Prime Minister's Instagram, where he's wishing us all I guess a you okay Day. Happy? Are you okay?

Unknown Speaker  16:33  
Are you okay? Are you okay? Day is that reminder, not just for today, but for every day for us to check, you know each other. We all have those moments, hang on a second. He's

Dan Ilic  16:45  
like really leaning over us in this point of view. Like physically, he is dominating this screen, he is looking down on us like we're a little child asking for some more soup. And in a second, he's going to lock us in a room and send us to our room that's very imposing here.

Unknown Speaker  17:00  
We already started to think the best of him. And now he looks like some sort of like, sleep demon or something just over the top of me.

Dan Ilic  17:07  
I feel like this angle, I feel like I've just been punched by Scott Morrison. And now he's asking me if I'm okay. Like,

Lewis Hobba  17:15  
if you're listening on the podcast, imagine that someone has put a phone on the on a table at probably bellybutton height. And then as has leaned over ominously towards the camera, kind of like a scene from the BFG. And like, This man is about to blow a trumpet of evil dreams into your ear and you're never gonna wake up happy again.

Unknown Speaker  17:37  
Dude like that he got three seconds in before it looked like he definitely checked a script of some sort. Yeah. If you know it's an IU ik de video. Surely, when you say it, okay, for the second time, you're going to be like, I'll remember that. I think I'm going to remember what these sentences about. Like, it's the first Are you okay? You're like, Oh, yeah, he kind of the find that in almost. But it was the second one where I was like, he wrote a check to that just he checked a script. For sure.

Lewis Hobba  18:08  
If he was doing this for ANZAC Day, and on the second day, he'd gone like bland black day, he would have done it.

Unknown Speaker  18:16  
We all have times when we really need someone to ask us that question. Give us that invitation to be able to share how we're feeling. So that can help us get through. So ask today, ask every day, check on your mates, your family, your friends, those you work with. Or sometimes it's just seeing someone who might be in a bit of a stress

Unknown Speaker  18:34  
and you've got Hang on a second. A bit of stress. Let's talk to Brittany Higgins about stress and how she's feeling this week. I'm sure we'll get to that shortly.

Lewis Hobba  18:47  
Yeah, also just going like, you know what it's like when you your family are in a bit of distress. But you separate it from borders. So you just you hire a jet at the taxpayers expense. You pop over and you say your family and you ask them Are you okay? And you should do that every day. I mean, become Prime Minister because it's very easy.

Unknown Speaker  19:08  
You pick that up and just ask them Are you okay? too? We are as a country it's what I like about our UK day it's something very Australian

Dan Ilic  19:17  
no other no other no other people from any other country have ever checked on that the welfare yeah the thing that will Anderson always goes on about mate ship being uniquely Australian the whole principle Oh, there aren't any other countries in the world that have friends that doesn't exist is so uniquely Australian major

Lewis Hobba  19:37  
Spanish a famously solitary people.

Dan Ilic  19:41  
Also like he likes this about you okay? Because it's also something the government doesn't have to pay for.

Unknown Speaker  19:49  
It's also very like, in terms of Australia, like, I know, it's a very serious thing and it's a great thing that it exists but half the people that I know that ever say are you okay like It is it's it's ironic like it's never it's never genuine. So I don't know it's hard to it's hard to to believe this guy when I know he has a history of being not genuine.

Unknown Speaker  20:11  
He pretty much Edison it's hard to believe this guy I could have I could have just stopped there Blair and I mean at least to be fair,

Dan Ilic  20:23  
well, you have to remember the interim is Scott Morrison is an ironic Prime Minister, like everything he's done is basically I run everything, everything from the very start of putting his hand around Malcolm Turnbull before he rolled him to say, Oh, this is my leader. I'm ambitious for him.

Lewis Hobba  20:41  
If Scott Morrison today said, Malcolm Turnbull attacks, thank you okay. That would be the single funniest thing he could ever have.

Dan Ilic  20:55  
Fun, funny and sad at the same time.

Lewis Hobba  21:00  
We shouldn't be a diaper bullying but you would have to give a pass to that.

Dan Ilic  21:03  
I get away with it too. I don't have that number in my phone. But if I did, I'd call him right now to get him on the podcast to find out if Scott Morrison has sent him an IOU Okay, text.

Unknown Speaker  21:13  
I okay, day is the day for Scotty to write some roles that like he could. He could reach out to out to Malcolm or he can wait what was that the guy that he the guy that he stood on his lawn when the guy had just received again? Standing on his lawn and he ruins that guy's lawn? Maybe? Maybe not you like high day text? There might be nice.

Unknown Speaker  21:33  
Having a woman the woman with a goat on the chain dad after the bushfires, we forced him to shake hands with him. Right How are you coping right now? Have you got a house yet? You know, things like that?

Dan Ilic  21:46  
Yeah. Oh, just check in on anyone who's on narrow or Christmas Island.

Lewis Hobba  21:50  
Dan, are you okay? Day is not classically now ruin. It is. It's just it doesn't cross. It doesn't cross the waters like that. Anyway, okay.

Unknown Speaker  22:01  
I hope so. If not, there are people there who can help you. But it's not me.

Lewis Hobba  22:08  
When he asked, Are you okay, and tried and tried all with all of his mind to sound like a human being. It made me feel like the uncanny valley in animation where things are like, to to human to be fake and to fake to be human. It was real. That was the uncanny valley of questions

Unknown Speaker  22:26  
when he said I hope so. It's like, are you okay? I hope so. And it's like, oh, that's Scotty that's so believable. It is it's the was that Mars Attacks. It's the lady with the the the alien the dresses up as the lady in Mars Attacks and tries to fit in and everyone's like, Oh, I think something's off here. That's what is happening right now. I'm sorry that my references a sell off tonight.

Dan Ilic  22:51  
Taxes one of my favourite films of 1998 it was really, really good, really good,

Unknown Speaker  22:55  
you matter a great deal. And so it's important that we know if you're okay.

Dan Ilic  23:01  
That's a bit sinister there. It's important to know if you're okay, that feels like that's coming from the AFP more than anyone else.

Lewis Hobba  23:08  
We've read your emails, we know you're not okay. And we're sending the AFP around to check on you.

Unknown Speaker  23:13  
You're listening to a rational fear.

Unknown Speaker  23:17  
Put back in place, especially with reopening and people going back to pumps and stuff, we will be looking at what contact tracing looks like in the New World Order.

Dan Ilic  23:29  
After years of denying that climate change exists, and constantly backing governments whose sole focus is to extract as much coal as possible out of the ground. The baddies in Australian media, aka News Corp. Going to do an about face at least for a couple of weeks and support net zero by 2050 targets up until about cop 26. And reportedly these editorials are going to be led by friend of the show Joe Hildebrand to find out whether these bullshit or not it's a real privilege to have Blair police here is the managing editor of climate and capital media and is one of the most effective climate campaigners in Australia. And 18 years ago Blair Yeah, you were at an event that was meant to change the game on climate for News Corp forever.

Unknown Speaker  24:18  
Again, 18 years ago, sitting in a in a room with a lot of journalists and others activists, all the activists were invited, of course, pretty cheap lay of the land there not much on offer in terms of cost centre, good coffee, but a big announcement about this thing called one degree. And one degree was all about how to keep the planet at one degree of warming or less and all the things that newscorp was was going to commit to to reduce its emissions. And I remember sitting around next to people and everybody kind of looked at each other saying, Is this a good thing? This is possibly a good thing. These people are evil. Is this a good thing? Come to find out 18 years on Guess what? another announcement this time it's net zero. That's the catchphrase of this century and 2015 or less, by the time, you know, 2050 rolls around, you could pretty much do absolutely excuse the French jack shit, and it would all still sound relevant to net zero by 2050. So, you know, my theory is that News Corp is given lessons to Scotty from announcements about how to use announcements just as a way to keep people slightly off kilter and confused why you continue to trash the planet with more information about climate denial.

Dan Ilic  25:27  
So why are we hearing about it? Now? Why is it being publicised in databases,

Unknown Speaker  25:32  
right, this thing called cup 26, coming up in November meeting, there's one country in the West, that is the ultimate bad guy. And guess what, it's Australia. So I think there's just a little bit of an attempt there to try and paint themselves green. Right in maybe, you know, share drinks on opening day Rupert and Co. With the whole the big kind of big names that are there on the first day, there'll be kings, they'll be queens, there'll be president still be you name it, there'll be there. Rupert probably just wants an invite.

Dan Ilic  26:04  
Is that is that is that as cynical as it gets? Like Rupert, actually, you know, wants to go to Glasgow, in November,

Unknown Speaker  26:10  
probably, you know, the guy hates to miss a big event. buys him space to keep doing exactly what he's doing. Because says one thing does another. He's been doing it for 20 years on climate. So what would change about that?

Dan Ilic  26:25  
Do you think we'll say any kind of movement from news Colbert? Or in in this space as a good actor at all? Absolutely not. Well,

Lewis Hobba  26:34  
he said, Is there any chat like I you The thing about nice copies, like, you know, obviously they they run their own race, and then you'd say it with something like the like the like the Kevin Rudd election, they will come a point where they realise that they can't keep backing a losing horse to publicly and then right at the last minute, just to like, try to keep people on board. They'll make the switch, and they'll be like, Ah, you know what, Kevin Ryan is actually a really good guy. And then six months later, we'll stop

Unknown Speaker  27:01  
to think that rupert murdoch would do that before Scott Morrison, but it's possible.

Lewis Hobba  27:06  
Yeah, but I mean, like, is it? Is there a point where like, 80% of Australians want action on climate change? They're like, there is just a point now where like, the only people who don't want to are currently on staff at Sky News. Well, and the last standing fossil fuel company, yeah. And is there a chance that like, they just realising that they're starting to look so stupid now? Is there any chance of that at all? No. I mean, I, I kind of knew the answer, but I think it bothered me and maybe, maybe it does, I hope for a better world

Unknown Speaker  27:35  
worth noting in the New York Times article that there is a staff member who's quoted about it, who will not be named because fearing for his life, you have to kind of look at it that way. Right? So if on staff, they've analysis, this big thing, and the staff at large are not allowed to say whether they think Well, yeah, it could be good, but might not you know, you could get shot for less at News Corp. So you know, it's not looking good.

Dan Ilic  28:00  
I want you to know, Blair, that is absolute lies because Joe Hildebrand himself has replied to a text when I said when you can come and talk about the climate thing come on irrational fear. Again, he said, Love to love to we're gonna get Joe to random to talk about what he's called. The three articles and East Coast get a right.

Lewis Hobba  28:21  
He didn't say whether it'd be for or against.

Unknown Speaker  28:27  
Other other lines in the New York Times, there's a phrase that said, we're going to change and explore the depths of this very complex issue. Two years ago, the language was, its fraudulent in its a damaging cult, the climate movement, which is it it's hard to know Well, that's

Dan Ilic  28:48  
a lie because nothing in the Daily Telegraph explores in a thing in any depth. Demo just want to extend a Sydney confidential and say Asha Gunzburg with a shirt off. That's all I want. Yeah. Quite frankly, Who wouldn't?

Lewis Hobba  29:01  
I would I bet they've done like a pretty in depth expose I on the Nadia Bartell plate saga. I've been checking. I reckon I would have done a full double page spread every day.

Dan Ilic  29:14  
We're seeing exponential rise in carbon and an exponential rise in the sales of Kmart plates.

Lewis Hobba  29:22  
investigating the climate change effects of cocaine. Yeah,

Dan Ilic  29:25  
I'm more interested in cocaine capture and storage solutions.

Unknown Speaker  29:31  
I'm just hoping that from all of this, perhaps I could get some work as like a climate actor. I don't know if I don't know what the roles are. Like I could, I could play like a slightly deeper bit of water or something. Well, Mitch,

Dan Ilic  29:48  
unfortunately for you News Corp. Who are the climate activists actors who pretend climate change isn't isn't isn't happening is changing their tag. So normally, you could just go walk into Sky News and say oh, Climate change

Lewis Hobba  30:00  
is rubbish. Maybe you should just do a self tape, a self tape audition for a variety of different crisis actor roles. Hello, my name is Mitch galling. I'm here from Star now. My next role will be school shooter. Like Hello, my name is Jolene I'm five foot 10 and now I'm going to do victim of climate change and you know screaming rain as the fire bands just do it just set yourself up for the whole gamut of options look and

Unknown Speaker  30:29  
that will help with range like that will show a lot of range like there's not I don't know how many people in Australia are able to do that kind of contrast of like, I'm I'm water I'm also fine. Like there's different. The great thing about the climate change climate crisis actor is that right now we're all acting method.

Lewis Hobba  30:49  
Really good.

Dan Ilic  30:50  
We are Stanislavski eating this shit.

Lewis Hobba  30:52  
Yeah. Steppenwolf for the climate change play.

Dan Ilic  30:55  
Hey, Louis. And you remember a few months back June when we were performing in Newcastle we imagine what do we like if Alan Jones all of a sudden became a climate action hero and actually started writing articles for endorsing climate action. I'm not saying that irrational fear forced this change from an idea. idea? quite clearly.

Lewis Hobba  31:23  
I can't I really hope to have to see that it's gonna be as natural as Scott Morrison's Are you okay? I think we can all agree that climate pollution is an acute problem. Watching Alan Jones do fit, like talk about getting rid of emissions down. It would be like watching Johnny Depp in the pistoletto video.

Dan Ilic  31:48  
Yes, ah, emissions need to come down. Because, Oh, God, it'd be very hard for him to do very difficult. Blair, you know, you have been doing this for so long. And you have got a good standard show. Right. Thank you. Thank you for all of the work that you've done. For so long. And if you would, in your heart of hearts be generous to News Corp for just one second. That's impossible. You know, what if? What if where they are going to be a good actor? What would it look like to you? Like, what would you like to see them do if if they to make good on this idea that that they've put forward

Unknown Speaker  32:36  
is there is only three things that banner headline across every paper, we were wrong. Movement Murdoch, at the cup opening ceremony, I was wrong. And I sacrificed myself to all the planet or do whatever you must with me. At this point I've done I have no single human has done more damage than I have. So I offer myself up. And that's what I want. I want his hand on the platter.

Dan Ilic  33:11  
onstage at Glasgow say, Hello, I'm drivemode I was wrong. Here's this Tesla charge I'm gonna put it in my chest and let Laughlin run the country

Unknown Speaker  33:22  
got really bad for a second that went from a went from like, I want a print on the front of the newspaper to like, just like a public murder like but but I'm so i'm i'm not saying I'm not

Dan Ilic  33:41  
different a different a different stration martyrdom may with river murder. Climate matter. That's what we like to say. That is it for irrational fear. big thank you to our guests. Bear Blair please Mitch giling. Lewis, how about what would you like to plug folks? mityana plug something?

Unknown Speaker  33:58  
Oh, yeah, thanks for having me on guys. Much appreciated. I'll be not pretending to be a COVID actor for the foreseeable future. And I've got a podcast called dead dad society started. It's like a bit of a therapy group in the form of a podcast, I started it when my dad died. So I just have people on that have lost parents or lost, you know, sisters, brothers, or even just, you know, crazy, crazy things happening in their lives that maybe you might need a bit of therapy. I am not trying to be a therapist in any way. It was more than I just wanted to. I think I was wanted to get my own stuff out and was good to hate people.

Dan Ilic  34:35  
And if you pay on Patreon, that's a whole cheat. That's much cheaper than a therapist. Yeah, it's quite nice, actually the other way round. Out giving Yeah, really. Thank you Mitch. Blair, what would you like to play?

Unknown Speaker  34:50  
Well, climate and capital media, keep an eye it's free to sign up and read what we got going and it tracks the kind of trends on climate and the opportunities. So if you're looking at what What you can do how you can invest and what you need to know about the issue it's all there and with cop coming up now's the time.

Dan Ilic  35:07  
Great Louis Do you want to plug anything?

Lewis Hobba  35:10  
No dad just get out there stream guys Sebastian he's had a rough way.

Dan Ilic  35:16  
Get some nights his way via gummies into your

Lewis Hobba  35:19  
absolute nature's way. The only way really with the

Dan Ilic  35:26  
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Dan Ilic  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation. Hello, irrational fearlessness Daniel. It's here. This is one of our semi monthly spin off podcast from irrational fear called the greatest moral podcast of our generation. So don't freak out if it sounds a little different. Just enjoy the ride. This is my co host for Bloomberg, longtime climate change industrial complex worker. lindo. Lynn. It's been a while,

Linh Do  0:23  
Dan, it's been so long you've changed in lockdown. What is time?

Dan Ilic  0:28  
I know, my hair is definitely out of control. But thankfully,

Linh Do  0:31  
people can't see us. It's the dream. Otherwise, they could tell that we haven't been outside and you know, months on end, we're looking a little bit pasty.

Dan Ilic  0:40  
That's okay. I live by the beach. So I've got a nice tan about me. Now in this podcast, Lynn and I look at a few climate stories from the previous month and I have a conversation with someone who's doing great work in the climate space. This week's chat is one of my favourites is with one of my heroes, Saul Griffith, who is inventor, scientist, engineer energy nerd. He's writing policy for Biden and trying to get the US and Australia uncouple from fossil fuels and go completely electric with renewables. Do you know much about Saul's work? Lin?

Linh Do  1:08  
Yeah, I do. I don't know if I call him a hero, though. But the work he does is truly amazing. I think you know, one of the coolest things about our semi monthly, you know, again, what is time is that we get to interview super smart people and get them to give us all the answers in a way that's super digestible.

Dan Ilic  1:24  
Yeah, great. And in a second, we're going to be chatting with another one of those kinds of people from wallaby David pokok about his new climate campaign with the sports community, the cooldown, I'm recording my end of the greatest moral podcast of our generation on gadigal Land of the eora nation,

Linh Do  1:38  
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Dan Ilic  1:41  
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Unknown Speaker  1:45  
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Dan Ilic  2:22  
Okay, let's rip straight into the climate news. First cab off the rank the cooldown this week, climate activist and former wallaby rugby union superstar David pokok has launched a brand new campaign to get climate action on the agenda of sports loving leaders. Joining us now is David pokok. himself. welcome David. Hi, Dan Lin. Thanks for having me. It's great to have you here. Yeah. Congratulations with the launch of the cooldown. What's the reaction been like so far?

David Pocock  2:49  
Thank you. Yeah, it's it's it's been positive. So far, we've got I think over 360 athletes from 30 plus sports have put their name to this calling for the Australian Government to really up their up their game on climate action. You know, this is something that the majority of Australians are concerned about and want more action. And yeah, I think it's it's everyone's responsibility to be talking about it more and to be pushing for for action at the national level. Yeah, this

Dan Ilic  3:18  
is great. It's like you, you have so many ears and hearts attached to kind of that community, this sports community. It's so great to see them pushing for action themselves as a community. Do you think this will be attractive to these sharks loving Scott Morrison?

David Pocock  3:36  
I hope so. I mean, I think the thing you know, the last 10 years of climate policy in Australia, and just how insanely politicised, it's it's been, I think, we often lose, lose sight of the fact that this is something that's going to affect every aspect of our way of life as Australians, including the sports that we love. And yeah, as an athlete. When you talk about things outside of your, your sport, you open yourself up to all the usual criticism to stay in your lane. You know, shut up, mate, stick to sports,

Dan Ilic  4:13  
literally stay in your lane. Yeah.

David Pocock  4:16  
And, you know, in the face of something like climate change with, you know, worsening extreme weather events, making things life a lot harder. Sport probably isn't the most, it definitely isn't the most important thing. The thing, the thing we're saying is athletes is that, you know, we are people who have families, we have kids, we are part of communities, and we love this country, and we want to see a thriving future, trying to draw the people's attention to the fact that this is going to affect sports and it is already affecting sports, you know, a part of Australian life that people love and as you kind of alluded to, we see we see politicians you Using sport for their game, because they know how much it resonates with us as a country. Yeah,

Linh Do  5:05  
yeah, one of the things that I definitely remember growing up in Australia is, you know, half of the new segment is dedicated to the sport to beat like half of the newspaper, you know, the fact that it's always the sports bit as well. We never spend that much time focusing on climate. What do you think, I guess will be the difference with some of these athletes speaking out about climate to reach new audiences? How do you think that's gonna make hopefully some impact?

David Pocock  5:30  
Yeah, our hope is that it really helps normalise climate action. As I said, it's such a political issue, which shouldn't be, you know, the politics should be about which, you know, policies as a party, you want to get Australia to this sort of netzero future, not whether or not we should get there, or how much it's going to cost. So I think really trying to say to people that as Australians, we love it when we're punching above that weight. You look at the Olympics, the Paralympics, you know, you see Ozzy's winning medals. And we lie.

Dan Ilic  6:07  
Are you trying to say that climate action is a race? David? Can I say that to race?

David Pocock  6:14  
And I'm saying it's a race. And I'm also saying that we're running dead last.

Linh Do  6:19  
Sometimes it feels like we're not even in the race. And I have to admit, I spent a lot of this morning thinking back to the Steven Bradbury moment at the Winter Olympics. And I'm like, well, maybe, maybe, you know, we're about to slip in at some point. Is that going to happen? But

Dan Ilic  6:32  
I don't I think that analogy is terrible. because it implies that all the other stronger countries fall over. And we need

Linh Do  6:41  
to be mercenary.

David Pocock  6:43  
I mean, you're spot on here. This is we're running dead last and we're refusing to even play by the rules. So we all we all know, we need to do better than that. We can do better than that. And that's maybe the other thing that's that's missing from the debate in Australia is you hear politicians talk about are the costs of action. But one note, talking about the cost of inaction, which you know, hard to even comprehend, if you believe scientists, but then also the opportunity for Australia, where the sunniest, windiest country in the world, it's insanity that we aren't a renewable superpower already. Or Well, on our way to becoming that. So I think it's, you know, it requires a real change in mindset around the debate, this is an opportunity for us that we have to take, because, you know, as Australians, we love places like the Great Barrier Reef, and you know, other just incredible parts of this country, the danger,

Dan Ilic  7:46  
even even from a sport focus, Dave, like, you know, kids playing soccer in the middle of the day on a weekend is going to be extremely difficult in a few years, particularly in places like Western Sydney, like it's the heat islands that are going to be attracted around school zones around tarmacs around around playgrounds, like being being a young athlete is going to be harder than ever, like it's going to be so difficult your brain capacity, loses capacity as carbon dioxide fills up the atmosphere like these things, that these things are just going to be really, really hard to do in the future. Like, like, sport has a lot to say like, I don't feel like I don't feel like you have to say much, you know, you can say look for the longevity of our of our of our children's future or the longevity of sport in general. Like we need proper climate action

David Pocock  8:38  
official. One of the one of the guys who's signed the letter and is really leading on this is Pat Cummins are the best fast bowlers in the world.

Dan Ilic  8:49  
He's gonna stand outside and out in the sun for so long.

David Pocock  8:52  
Well, you know, he grew up he got to start playing cricket in Penrith. And you know, scientists are saying that places like Penrith are hitting towards towards 50 degrees Celsius days in summer. Like, try playing a summer sport where you're standing outside all day and 50 degrees Celsius. Yeah,

Dan Ilic  9:11  
in 2018 Penrith was was the hottest city in the world. Yeah.

David Pocock  9:16  
You know, this is this is real, it's here. And, you know, there's a long list of how it's already affecting sport from early retirements of the Australian Open bushfire smoke, forcing a number of events, cancelled, relocated. And then, you know, the thing that probably to your point about kids is probably not front of mind for most people is the effect that this is going to have on regional community. Sport is such an important part of life. You know, it's where people can come together. And we're already starting to see some of those sports clubs, really struggling to afford their premiums which are going up due to flooding. And then in the, you know, in the recent drought, there were a whole whole bunch of regional grounds that were just too hard, like they couldn't water them, they rock hard, they're too dangerous to play. So you can't use those grounds and all these things that we, we, you know, you don't really think about when you hear someone talk about climate change. But you know, the increasingly real and you read the latest IPCC report and you know, the type of action, we have to we have to be upping our game.

Linh Do  10:23  
Yeah, and I think these everyday consequences are just the reminder that sometimes an IPCC report can feel a bit abstract until you boil it down to here's this activity you love doing that you might not be able to do in a couple of years time. What would you say to all of our listeners in terms of how could they may be raised and start this conversation within their communities sport or otherwise? Because you know, it's not the normal thing that people expect anyhow, tips? Well,

David Pocock  10:50  
have you just launched the call down, I'd say you can, you can head to the cooldown of Comdata. You and join and sign alongside your favourite athletes, but then, you know, in a day to day thing, this is something we should be talking about as a community and should be on the news most nights, this is something that we're going to have to adapt to. And, you know, if we if we act really strongly as a country and show some international leadership, we can avoid some of the worst that is to come, should we should we not act? So talk about in your community, and then obviously, the politics, you know, all this individual action doesn't add up too much, unless it's galba. Politics. So get hold of your local politicians. And then you know, we've got an election coming up, vote, like vote for your future vote for the future of your kids find a find a candidate who is going to make decisions in the best interests. And that may be an independent. Yeah. And if there isn't someone, consider rallying around someone or running yourself. This is just it's so important that we we begin to take action soon.

Dan Ilic  11:55  
David, on the political question, will we see in the future national teams not going to the lodge or not going to kirribilli house to spend time with the Prime Minister for a Photoshop with the harbour in the background? Is that something you can see in the back in the future? for national sides deciding to make a call on climate and say, No, we won't, we won't be part of Scott Morrison's photo,

David Pocock  12:17  
we're seeing climates, you know, start to really gain, I guess consciousness around around the world when we look at businesses and climate risk of standard factoring. You know, we, we this really interesting push in the UK around legislating eco side as a crime, you know, to me that really points to people are increasingly going to say, no, that's not that's not good enough. And we aren't going to support or associate ourselves with companies, individuals, leaders, who aren't taking this seriously. So it's it's not unimaginable

Dan Ilic  12:58  
question about your community, you're building and the letter and all the signatures you're getting, what happens next?

David Pocock  13:05  
I guess it at the moment, it's really trying to show support for strong, bold, ambitious climate action in Australia and try and trying to normalise the debate around that. Guess the second thing is trying to push this idea of everyone having to be part of this. Yeah, I think there's been one of the real failures, in my mind of the sort of climate movement or people who want action is there's, there's almost sort of this, this purity tests in a way like if you if you fly, you have no right to be saying that Australia should be committing to Boulder climate action. And you see it like if you ever if you ever post something on social media, trolls,

Dan Ilic  13:51  
troll troll trolls on Twitter saying, oh, how many kids do you have? kids and I can't get off set my car. I can't get off set by electricity. I don't own a house. But if I did, I'd electrify everything. So you know

David Pocock  14:03  
what? So you know, there's that there's your you're not perfect. So how can you even talk about this? Then the other thing is, is like maybe you're just a dumb rugby players probably had way too many concussions? What the hell do you know that? It's really those two things is, is one pushing for good national policy. You don't you don't have to be perfect to do that. And to you don't have to be a climate scientist to want a Livable Future. You've just got to listen to the climate scientists. And you know, what we've seen through COVID is that when we actually listen to these people who've spent their lives trying to understand these things that most of us can't even, you know, get our heads around

Dan Ilic  14:43  
things. That's because we've had to

David Pocock  14:46  
turn out better than if we just ploughing on our own course. So why aren't we listening to climate scientists?

Dan Ilic  14:56  
Well, David, thank you so much for joining us on the greatest model podcast of a generation and Thank you for all the advocacy work that you do for climate and the environment in general and social justice in sport, because it actually has a tangible, meaningful effect. And it's great to see you, you're doing so much, Dan, and thanks for really hearing you bring to it, I really appreciate it. It can be really hard time. So it's great to know, if we're in the same room and asked you to pull my finger. That'd be great.

Unknown Speaker  15:26  
Thanks, David, for you listening to the greatest moral podcast about generation

Dan Ilic  15:33  
pretty interesting when you're facilitating, you know, a whole session on sport and climate in Sport, Sport climate soon, like, what are you bringing to that, that conversation for that conference coming up at the end of September,

Linh Do  15:46  
it's so much of what Dave was sharing, right? We have so much elitism. Unfortunately, in the climate movement. Sometimes you have to be perfect before you can say something, or you need to have three PhDs and all of the different hard science areas. But it's that recognition that the more we talk about, if climate is going to be impacting everyone, then everyone needs to figure out exactly what that means for them, their sector, their community, whatever that looks like. And helping those individuals take action in a way that makes sense. So this sport positive thing actually came out of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, which is the same body that governs the Paris Agreement. And it's that recognition that if you know, if you counted the membership of some sporting clubs around the world that makes up a small country equivalent. So what would happen if you know Manchester United came on and declared a bunch of different climate targets, both for their grounds, the way they operate their team, and you know what they encourage their fan base to do? So I think it's just taking climate a little bit like what we're doing with this podcast right outside of that Walgreens realm.

Dan Ilic  16:52  
Yeah, that's so interesting, because people look up to those brands, they look up to those teams and whatever their teams are doing. Now, they'll they'll also do that as well. That's such great position, like positioning those brands in a place of leadership and climate action is is really powerful. It's, it's not unlike if Australia was a good actor on the world stage and climate. We could also be a leader and encourage others to do good things on climate as well. So

Linh Do  17:19  
yeah, reputation matters. And I think where you lead your reputation and your voice as well, again, it's super important. Again, I think back to do you remember a couple of months ago, runout, I was at a press conference, I think it was and there was a bottle of coke there and

Dan Ilic  17:34  
replaced it with water,

Linh Do  17:36  
with water. And obviously for me, I was like, Oh, my God, it was still a plastic water bottle. But it's that recognition of if you're going to be a top athlete, why would you be promoting that kids essentially drink sugar, and then the impact that that had on, you know, the stock value of Coca Cola for the next, you know, couple of days is just that indicator of the signal that the sports community or other communities could be sending to their fans?

Dan Ilic  18:01  
Well, I want people listening this podcast, I'm drinking a cup of tea, so I can't wait for the stock value of what am i drinking? majority to go up

Linh Do  18:09  
to go? Wow, exactly. Positive brand Association. That's what you are top influencer.

Dan Ilic  18:14  
I think because we had a special guest, we've probably run out of time for the climate news. I think there's one thing we have to do. I think there's one thing we shouldn't mention those the ACF survey, which just came out this week, which is incredible. They found that every single electorate, Australians want climate action, that's amazing. 60% 67% of voters believe the government should be doing more to address climate action, including majority in all 151 National states. This is this is such a huge survey. This is amazing. And it's

Linh Do  18:43  
the narrative that we haven't been hearing, right, we've been hearing that this is something about, you know, regional communities versus inner city like, specific people. But actually, every single community wants climate change, and maybe what action they want looks a little bit different. But the direction that everyone wants to be heading in is definitely the same. We need

Dan Ilic  19:04  
to know the difference between the city and the regionals is negligible. It's like 3% difference like sick, it's in the 60 something's percent it's like so when Michael McCormack or other nationals say, well, you people in the cities, you don't understand what was actually you people on the regions also

Linh Do  19:18  
understand and want more or less exactly the same thing. Um, I think this would be really cool if it could be overlaid with real estate.com You know, when we're browsing property, aspirationally not because we can afford anything, but we can figure out you know, what community should I be living in? If I ever want to spend all of my time changing my neighbor's opinion, or spending time in my little bubble of you know, pro climate action people, this is how I want to live.

Dan Ilic  19:42  
We're all moving to the seat of God. I believe in Australia, which is about the size of Germany. So

Linh Do  19:48  
ya Love it. Love it. Lin.

Dan Ilic  19:51  
I want to talk about cop but we're kind of running out of time this podcast. So let's next month let's talk about cop. And because we'll be about a month out from cop starting. It'd be great to hear from you. Where Australia is heading into into carbon? I think we'll probably know more by then as well,

Linh Do  20:04  
we definitely will. I mean, fingers crossed that it's even going ahead. There's been actually a call over the last couple of weeks that maybe we should postpone the conference. Again, if countries in Europe, particularly emerging economies, the countries that will be most affected by climate change can't be there because of the COVID vaccination rollout situation globally.

Dan Ilic  20:23  
Well, that is a frightening thing to think about. Thanks, Lynn, for joining us again on the greatest moral podcast of a generation. We'll see you next month can't

Linh Do  20:28  
wait.

Dan Ilic  20:30  
And right now we've got Saul griseus great interview I did with him earlier this week. He is an absolute brain and as you can hear, in my interview in your brain taking over as you're catching up, I'm a little bit too excited. I'm a little bit too excited little

Linh Do  20:44  
waiting you fanboy.

Dan Ilic  20:49  
My guest on this episode of The Greatest moral podcast of our generation is Saul Griffith. He's got a lot of titles in his life entrepreneur, engineer, scientist, energy expert, MacArthur Genius Grant winner is now adding one more fed up with the inability of politics to meet the moment of the climate crisis heading into cop 26 soul is trying out a new title, political heavyweight. He's a man fully charged and ready to steamroll his way into any politicians office he can with a unique style of lobbying that can only be described as bad cop bad cop. Soul hopes to shut politicians into action with a big kick in the ass. so gracious. Welcome to the greatest moral podcast of our generation.

Saul Griffith  21:30  
Thank you, Dan, very much. I'm going to excuse you for embarrassing me with the genius comment because that was the best intro I've ever heard. From Polonius.

Dan Ilic  21:42  
Well, man, then my next question is, is it awkward follow up. You know, I've only spoken at once before I've seen you speak to lots of groups in online forums. Dare I say you seem a little dangerous, if not a little unhinged. Is that a fair assessment?

Saul Griffith  21:57  
That's just we've had a pandemic for a little while and the long hair and the beard resembles the unabomber is purely Coronavirus, side

Dan Ilic  22:05  
effect. All right now the audience that listens to irrational fear. They're pretty smart. They've lived with the climate action journey for over a decade. So I want to talk with you about big bold ideas. First of all, I'm kinda want to start off with personal responsibility. You know, in the climate activist world, there's kind of a policing around the language around personal responsibility. There are a lot of folks that say that personal responsibility isn't the problem, the whole notion of the carbon footprint was kind of designed by the fossil fuel industry to kind of put the onus of climate action on the user, are

Saul Griffith  22:36  
they right? I'm very sympathetic to the argument that there was some conspiracy and denial from the big fossil companies, and that it's their fault. But I don't think we should allow ourselves to not understand our role in it. I find it peculiarly interesting that we have divestment campaigns from Peabody coal, or from bhp or from the direct producers of fossil fuels, but we don't have divestment campaigns for Toyota, or Ford. Because they're those corporations. Even though 2% of the world's emissions go through an engine that Toyota built or an engine that Ford built, we don't really want to blame them, because it's just too close to our own personal driveway. So I think the the sort of failing of this logic, can be saying that why draw the boundary at the machine, the machines that dig the fossil fuels up instead of drawing the boundary for the machines that we own, that burn the fossil fuels? That's it, I think it's not easy. It is still today, not easy for an individual person or household to like, have all the solutions and and be a perfect upstanding citizen. But I would like us to recognise that, you know, we just done the numbers for the US and it's very similar in Australia. About 42% of all of our emissions are decisions that are made around our kitchen tables. If you include our small businesses, it's about 65 or 70%. Because around around your kitchen table, you decide what fuel goes in your car, you decide what fuel heats your house, what fuel heats the water in your house for your hot showers, you decide what fuel cooks your food, and you make your similar choices in small businesses, what runs the small business, heating and cooling systems and do they use petrol or electric so we actually have a shocking and surprising amount of power and in some respects, collective responsibility. That's not to blame us all for not making the right decision. Because, again, you have been doing a tonne of this work in the last few years, but like, still not quite economically irrational decision for a household to go fully electric and fully decarbonized you feel have to be in the very wealthy or the Zealot category. This might be it why there's Tesla lovers and Tesla haters, because the Tesla is this solution for the point 1%. The reality in 2021 is it costs you 10 or $20,000. More for the electric car than the gasoline equivalent for a few $100 more for the electric induction and fancy cooked up instead of the natural gas one, that $1,000 more for the electric heat pump heating systems. So as long as I like to think that if you can, if you can afford an Audi or Mercedes, you're playing a fucking hypocrite, because I could just make you could just have buy a Chevy Bolt electric or Toyota electric and, and the other things with the extra 20 grand you spent on your Mercedes. But for the rest of us, it's still a year or two or three away where the electric car production gets big enough that they're cheap enough that the batteries get cheap enough for the side of the house that the solar still gets cheaper and cheaper. But we're right on the cusp now.

Dan Ilic  25:59  
I feel that myself. This year, I bought my first car in 20 years. And I bought a secondhand bought a secondhand car but I was really looking into an Eevee I don't have any garage or any way to plug it in and house. But at the same time I was like well maybe I can get an event you know charge at the Westfield or wherever we're down the beach where I where I live. But still just the price is just maybe 20 grand a little more than what I could afford. But I can feel like this car that I've got now is going to be the last internal combustion

Saul Griffith  26:32  
you definitely want to make bumper stickers that are this is this is my last guzzling piece of shit.

Dan Ilic  26:39  
Let me let me write that down. Do you mind if I put that on the irrational?

Saul Griffith  26:42  
Not at all. I'd also like you to make one that's like my heat pump is hotter than your gasoline.

Dan Ilic  26:50  
One No One says that sincerely sorry.

Saul Griffith  26:53  
But you know the reality now in Australia. I had these numbers yesterday. The it's the upfront cost. That's the problem, which is this is part of the reason I'm trying to get in there and to your point kick political butt is if I was driving a mid sized Australian car right now, at Dollar 50 a litre it's about 12 cents a kilometre. In the if I did an Eevee a mid sized Evie. Charged off the electricity grid test cost me about seven cents a kilometre. And if I was charging that, Evie off my rooftop solar, it's one or two cents a kilometre. So you would get that money back, it will just take you five years. So what we really need is financial instruments to help everyone afford this future. And that's the type of thing that you need federal governments to help with.

Dan Ilic  27:47  
And this is nothing new, like federal governments have been doing this for things in the past.

Saul Griffith  27:50  
Oh, absolutely. You know, and the one way of looking at this for an economy is this giant real estate, one of these games, because we have such explicit economic policy focused around on helping people afford the suburban everything. The house, the home, and we sort of around writing all their mortgages that has precedent that was actually really began, curiously enough under Franklin D. Roosevelt, when the Great Depression had caused 20% unemployment in the US in the 1930s. Much the majority of the jobs were lost in the regions and they were construction jobs that were lost. And they realised they needed a stimulus package that would put people back to work in the States. So the US federal government invented the 25 year mortgage, it wasn't the thing before then before that the reason a lot of people lost their homes in the Great Depression is they had a five year mortgage with a balloon payment. When you get to the end of the five years, you either had to come up with all the money or renegotiate. So everyone lost their money, lost their homes, because and that was a great scam if your brain scan anyway. Imagine like, I actually think about it this way we think about great inventions of the 20th century and how much they change their life.

Dan Ilic  29:09  
No one ever talks about the mortgage,

Saul Griffith  29:10  
the mortgage, like changed, everything changed the patterns of urban development. And so is the whole thing how we do schools, like everything was on it. And actually, the more even more interesting piece of that history is that it was based on the car loan that was invented by a guy called Alfred P. Sloan. Because Henry Ford was very religiously conservative and didn't believe in usury or charging interest on your car. So you had to buy your gold on. You had to give Henry Ford your paycheck for 18 months and then he'd give you the car. Right Alfred Sloan came along said Well, I know you want the car today, why don't you just give me your paycheck for the next 18 months. And GM after that went from 10% market share that's 60% market share over forward in like three years. It's completely flipped the market. And it was that model of you know buy now. Pay Later that that became the the model of the interest rate in the US. Basically that means that the US government is subsidising and giving infrastructure quality financing to the household. So the suburbs are infrastructure. So we need that kind of thinking because we've got to upgrade all of our homes to decarbonize.

Dan Ilic  30:22  
Now it sounds, it sounds like we're really close, it sounds like there's like only a few years in it in terms of when decarbonizing our homes is going to be more expensive than it becomes the only kind of option because it's far less expensive. How long is that runway? Like how long have we got before the tipping point is where we're putting in sustainable homes becomes much more efficient, much more cost effective than the business as usual,

Saul Griffith  30:47  
the really interesting political problem of your question is, it's a little bit longer than the timeline, we have to keep our global temperature on it to you, there's an easy way to say that there's a concept in academia called committed emissions. That is, you bought a car last year, you just told me that car will emit it has a committed emissions for next 20 years is burns petrol, somebody who bought a natural gas power plant last year, that power plant will commit emissions for 35 years, etc, etc. The machines that exist on the face of the world today will emit enough carbon to take us to 1.8 degrees. So that's why you hear people say we should retire cold early, because they're the worst emitters. And maybe that'll bring us down to 1.7 or 1.6. You still end up in this situation where starting tomorrow, no one can ever buy. petrol or diesel car, again, instal coal plant natural gas, if you want to stay on that very rapid path for one and a half ish degrees, so that obviously we you know, the world only created about 2% of the vehicles last year were electric, that's not nearly enough, right? That's not 100%. Because we want everyone to buy an electric car tomorrow, the industry isn't even at scale,

Dan Ilic  32:07  
we're stuck straight, like it needs to happen, strategies

Saul Griffith  32:10  
haven't straight away, but at best with a wartime level of effort. And that's like really heavily investing in our industries to make all the solutions you can imagine maybe it's starting in about 2024 2025, like, we spent three or four years really full on.

Dan Ilic  32:25  
Great. So all we need is like another six more catastrophic weather events to get us engaged into doing something great.

Saul Griffith  32:33  
What I'm trying to say is like, but now that you can see that the economic shift, in the end, we really think about Australia as if I could loan you the money in 2022, or 2023, to buy the two, two electric vehicles to replace the two cars in your driveway, electric heat pumps, your hate electric heat pump, water heaters solar roof, a big one battery on the side of your house, you would be saving a few $1,000 a year on all your energy costs. But I'd have to loan you at that point 30 $40,000 more than you'd otherwise be spending to do it. The crossover point where it's cheaper at like, not only when you're using it that when you go into the store to buy it is probably more like 2027 2028 we wait until then we've blown through too many emissions to hit any of the targets you want.

Dan Ilic  33:24  
So a lot of folks who kind of criticise your work, they kind of say, well, masks is fine. But the reality on the ground in terms of politics is different. How does that change? So how can you see that changing?

Saul Griffith  33:41  
Well, I think you don't change reality. And still you start changing the storyline and you start using some characters as well as sticks, right? And we've really only had the stick narrative for what to do on climate for the last 50 years, which is stop this stop that no, and largely it sounds like we're gonna rip your middle class existence away from you, and you'll live in a cold, small house with a bicycle?

Dan Ilic  34:07  
Well, it just depends where that house is, if it's in Sydney, I think I could live with that, that'd be fine.

Saul Griffith  34:15  
I don't think that's going to work for everyone. So I think you can now tell with a reasonably straight face that, you know, we should be able to give people an even better existence they have now with cleaner air by largely just substituting out electric machines for Walker fuel burning machines and for riding with electricity. So now governments have an optimistic story that they can tell. And you can show that it's going to create more jobs than it destroys by a big margin and you can share now that the economics are going to work for the house the now the economics may not work in 2021, but they're going to work in 2025 if we make the right policy choices now. So you got to got to we need genuine leadership in the in the tradition of like what political leadership really means.

Dan Ilic  34:59  
Okay, All right. Don't get too excited about leadership.

Saul Griffith  35:04  
What? You know, if you have no hope you can have no hope you have, you have to try and lead these horses to water and help them discover that leadership for themselves.

Dan Ilic  35:16  
You're in Australia has been living in America for 25 years. Is that really? What's it like to kind of come back to Australia and be kind of around this kind of leadership we have here versus the Biden administration from I know, I understand you doing some work for at the moment? What's that? What's that kind of disconnect? Like,

Saul Griffith  35:33  
you have to also understand that I went through two Bush administration's and a Trump and Trump administration. Yeah. I'm sympathetic to republicans and some of their traditional conservative ideals, but I'm not sympathetic to crazy unwarranted wars, and whatever trumpism is,

Dan Ilic  35:52  
I believe Trump ism is a policy based on names.

Saul Griffith  35:55  
I mean, that's, I think politically, I'm saying I'm probably a centrist swing voter, to come back to Australia, it a few things, it strikes me that it's way more corrupt here than it was when I left 20 years ago. That is, like just as shocking, the nepotism seems to have been dialled way up, or maybe because I left when I was 19, or 20. I just wasn't old enough to be the benefit of a lot of nepotism yet, but I'm sort of I'm seeing it now. I'm a bit worried about the trend. For sure, we seem to have gotten the civil service. And so I think we used to have a really strong civil service here that really believed in the country and and what was best for the country. And I think we've eliminated a lot of those institutions. That gives me pause for concern. I think the best best government happens when they are well advised by unbiased independent organisations. And I think that's historically what the Australian civil service did on climate I think were doing terribly across the board. So I don't have to point a finger at any particular party here. No one's doing a great job. I am helping the White House and the buyer administration on as I describe it, hand to hand combat with the natural gas industry and and trying to figure out what climate policy you can do. And so I've been watching from the inside a lot of the the three and a half trillion dollar spending bill and the trillion dollar infrastructure bill and watch that sausage get made have introduced electrification legislation with Senator Martin Heinrich and have been doing work with Senator Sanders and Schumer just really helping them with the numbers and making that up and what sensible policy having seen it from the inside the US the collection of Biden policy is not yet sufficiently ambitious to avoid two degrees. So you'll hear a whole bunch of announcements and everyone will declare success but as an engineer and climate nerd, I can add up the math and the commandments are not yet commensurate with the reality but it's a huge step and then ambition brings more ambition. So here's the thing and we helped the the this administration alone, like we are on the cusp of this transition where the economics get better on the good side on the on the Luke Skywalker side and they get worse on the Darth Vader side. The fascinating about Australia is we win first week, the be the luckiest country if only we wish to be the cleverest country. We have the mildest climate we have compared to the US we have high cost of retail electricity we have high cost of petrol we have high cost of natural gas that's basically because very big small population big countries spread out or geographic displacement

Dan Ilic  38:51  
of everyone so

Saul Griffith  38:52  
and then we've already Wait You know, if you wanted roughly that what ROMs was success you'd you need this country to exist Australian rooftop solar policy, Norwegian or Californian electric vehicle policy, and South Korean or German building heating policy heat very heat pump centric. If you could create that country that country wins. And so as Australia at least as one out of three, if these other two we would you know shooting competitor like five years before America, we would we can do it. And we

Dan Ilic  39:30  
what's what's preventing those other two what is like absolutely preventing, you know, he pump policy and car policy as

Saul Griffith  39:37  
well that he policy is pretty good everywhere here except for Victoria, who were really clean to natural gas for heating homes, that there are even state programmes in Victoria that are improving so I think we're totally trending in the right direction. The Australian vernacular building vernacular embraces what's called a mini split system which is a reversible it can heat your house, it can cool your house It's economic. So we kind of on the right track. There, we just need to make sure that we never let a new home be warmed, painted with natural gas going all the way electrically on electric vehicles. I think its culture was fragile white male egos, and just the lack of visceral experience of electric cars that is screwing our electric vehicle policy but

Dan Ilic  40:26  
so well, if if we haven't if I have an electric car, it'll ruin the weekend. I'll have no more way. If you don't have an electric car, you'll ruin all weekends. Reva in perpetuity Yeah.

Saul Griffith  40:39  
But yeah, I've now owning my fifth electric car. And I own four in the US I bought a used Nissen in dV 200 which is like a Nissan LEAF extruded upwards as a as a minivan. It's obviously six sexy car and I love it. When we drop it. It's dropped them in school in it because it was a like a showroom demonstrators as a giant electrical plug on the side. The trauma isn't on my shoulders. I

Dan Ilic  41:09  
mean, this is this is your kids, where they go to school in San Francisco

Saul Griffith  41:13  
Bay, like here in Austin. In America, we had like the first few electric cars we had could barely do 100 miles and that was an inconvenience. And occasionally we'd be stranded by a highway. But like the last electric car we had in the US was a Chevy Bolt that we leased. It was extraordinarily cheap to own and operate. It had a 290 mile range, which is 450 kilometres ish. And we never even went close to exhausting the battery. We could drive to the mountains go skiing. So the future has arrived. We just haven't let it arrive in Australia. And I don't think enough people would have had the experience. I love this guy on the internet. There is like taking coal miners for drag races. And then Tesla.

Dan Ilic  42:00  
Daniel Blakely, he's been on the show, we've had him on irrational. You can. Daniel, thank you. You're doing God's work. He'll be pleased to hear that he should dress or asked me to take you for a ride when locked down?

Saul Griffith  42:11  
Absolutely. You know, well, actually, he's a curious thing. So I'm actually totally I speak carburetors a native tongue and like I sort of part of me, black belongs at summernats. So I'm a little sympathetic to this. I earned some pretty cool vintage cars. There in America. And in Australia, it's the same the putting a battery on the side of your house is enormously expensive, because you have to pay the permanent costs and the regulatory costs and it has to be fireproof, and all that stuff. And so you're spending 13 $100 a kilowatt hour for 10 kilowatt hour battery. So it's like $15,000 for this thing. I can buy a $15,000 battery and put it in my 1916 one Lincoln con continental and we'll have five times the capacity of the battery on my house to house so I'm really into this idea that your luck your your vintage Hot Rod toys,

Dan Ilic  43:01  
becomes the better

Saul Griffith  43:02  
Yeah, even better in Australia is like, Yeah, and I live near the coast and like everyone in Australia since I left has bought a jet ski. And I hate jet skis, I have my father's philosophy that jet skis should be absolutely legal, you're just not allowed to turn them on until you're a mile off. Sure. Because the noise is intolerable. But electric jetski turns out to do an hour of full throttle, which is what you can do with their 10 when they've got about a 40 litre gas tank, it native data 100 kilowatt hour battery, which would be about a $12,000 battery. But then your jetski is your house all battery all your toys become your thing.

Dan Ilic  43:42  
This is a dis absolutely genius idea for getting around regulatory red tape. It's fantastic. And if any, if anyone's like my brothers, they've got a jetski, a motorbike, a second car all sit in the garage doing nothing if put batteries and all those

Saul Griffith  43:58  
geeky powers. See you then take the battery out from the budget for the household, which is like the practical budget which is fine. Yeah. And you get to put it in the toy budget which is irrational.

Dan Ilic  44:13  
Alright, so we spoke a little bit about your two different approaches, you know, the the political approach. Let's talk about the bottom up approach. Like you told me we were talking about these people now want to talk about middle class parents who've got a house and have got all the toys. What would you say to them about kind of their own personal responsibility? What should they be looking at to kind of get on this electrification chain training? I

Saul Griffith  44:35  
think a little bit of this question we answered earlier like what is the schedule you have to do this? I think we imagine that we all have to be perfect tomorrow. Right? But what none of us can be perfect tomorrow. And the average water heater lasts about 12 years the average heating system split system last 15 years the average car last 20 years in your driveway. You know Your average roof last 20 years. And so I don't, I don't think we need to be incapacitated with guilt, we just need to understand that we should be preparing and saving our money. So every time we make one of those consequential infrastructure of your life decisions, and there's a small number of them, were ready to do it electrically. Or if you're about to buy a new house, take out a little bit of extra on the mortgage and retrofit that house. So it's all electric at that moment. And that's how you'll get the cheapest finance and you'll be on the right path. So I think it's, you know, for the average punter, it's recognising that you are part of the politics. If you ask the government collectively, to help enable this, the government will make the regulations make the costs drop, the government will help the industries expand, they're making the right things and the contract the ones that mean the wrong things. So become political. And then prepare to just make sure you know that the bumper stickers are all true. My heat pump is better than your furnace. My This is my last petrol powered car and prepare to like retire them. No, no, no, the

Dan Ilic  46:09  
bumper sticker is this is my last gas guzzling piece of shit. That's what I used to speak carburetor. Now

Saul Griffith  46:14  
I speak electrons, volts. Yeah. And I think that's, I think he got it said the expectations are reasonable. And you probably won't get every household on that plan. But you know, if we do realistically need to get 80 90% of households on that plan, the challenge for that really, is not so much for the top 20 30% of households that will be able to afford it. There's enough disposable income. I think, if you're really honest, the big, big hard problem here is, you know, the low and middle income homes where it's a real stretch, they're going to need and they probably don't have perfect credit scores, etc, etc. So I don't really see a solution other than the government stepping in to help with various finance products and rebates and incentives to help everyone get there because it's the it'll be the ultimate issue if only the richest 20% of people can afford this solution. So the political risk is we'll make it a wedge issue, the political opportunity is for the party that figures out the right set of policies, the electorate will go there because it means they're going to have cleaner air in their house, they're going to have cleaner air in the suburbs, they'll have safer children now. And you know, the future will be saved the week all over the weekends.

Dan Ilic  47:33  
Well, the Australian Government is very well renowned for giving money to poor people and never asking for it back. So I think I think I think it'll be totally fine with this government.

Saul Griffith  47:45  
Yeah, I think, always a challenge to the storyline here. And it's just the fundamental chain challenge for the solutions to climate change. They they all cost less to operate in their lifetime, but they all cost more upfront. That's why you have to figure out institutionalised systems for making affordable for everyone. And that's why I gave you those analogies that the car loan and the home loan.

Dan Ilic  48:07  
Let's talk about grids for a second Professor Hilary bambrick. On my patreon asks, so many barriers are put up against residential including proposals to introduce feed in tariffs. Do you think suburban micro grids are the way to go instead? if so how can we get there? residential solar, she's talking about

Saul Griffith  48:24  
you even more than residential solar. So imagine that I electrify your home professor, and very likely you go from using, again, I actually have the numbers at my fingertips, about 13 to 14 kilowatt hours per day, the average Australian household, if you electrify the 1.78 cars in the driveway and you electrify all the other loads, they'll need about 34 kilowatt hours. So two to three times more delivered electricity to the household. That's if you're doing 80% of your vehicle charging. So the number your mileage may vary literally in this case, but we're going to need two to three times more electricity to live it. There's some good news about that, that means the cost of distribution grid will go down because it's putting more electricity over largely the same network. But we're not really gonna make it all work unless we've deployed as many batteries as we can on the House side. So that's enabling the cars and the household battery, even the appliances and other heating systems to act as storage.

Dan Ilic  49:25  
Is that kind of the metric like as many batteries as we can like is that this is kind of when you think about building a house do you like look under the floorboards and go there could be a good spot there for Yeah, we

Saul Griffith  49:34  
just finished building your house in San Francisco, which I'm going shortly going back to the US to sell because we found out that living in Australia is NASA. And but we went to the extent that we made all of the heating systems into storage so we can or two days of heat for the whole house in the basement and five days of hot water in the basement in large storage tanks. That was my is much much cheaper than battery storage, we also have a battery on the side of the house, we have a 20 kilowatt solar system, which is enormous we, we did that because we're designing for the winter minimum, not the summer minimum. So that really so we will be nearly golf during the whole year and because we were building new houses, some feel easy to do all that. So you definitely need very, you know, I call it greed neutrality to, to conjure the ideas of net neutrality, which is old packets of data are equal on the internet, you can't prioritise one or the other. I think we need great neutrality in Australia. So it doesn't know whether you are origin any energy or Jane Smith. in Cornwall, you get treated the same with your electrons, the solar success stories, and everyone he knows it and there's rooftop solar is proliferating. The literally the cheapest electricity in the world is Australian rooftop solar six cents per kilowatt hour after financing, because it's installing at 95 cents a watt and being financed at 5%. It's crazy. To put that in perspective, the average cost of electricity in the US grid is about 20 cents Australian, the average,

Dan Ilic  51:14  
whoa, that's like more than three times,

Saul Griffith  51:17  
yeah, the average, the average cost of Australian electricity is 25 cents a kilowatt hour.

Dan Ilic  51:23  
So our normal electricity is like five times more expensive,

Saul Griffith  51:28  
and then your rooftop size of salt. So really, and they know that the grid operators will complain Well, if we have too much rooftop solar, then we're not going to balance the grid at noon, because all of it it's on and they will have under voltages and over voltages. And they're going to give you all of this reason to not do this project now. And we're writing a memo, which is Australian electricity market operators currently writing these rules, it's doing it I don't really know. But it does not seem to be going in the right direction. We have to be writing these rules now that anticipate there'll be two electric cars and every one of those driveways, the electricity demand is going to go way up. And we need all of those assets to be allowed to play in the electricity market in order to be able to balance this solar and wind heavy grid. It feels weird that AMD is doing that

Dan Ilic  52:13  
they're usually really good on this kind of stuff. And it seems like a departure from the narrative that they've been kind of building upon over the last year. Do you know what that is?

Saul Griffith  52:22  
I think you're fine. By no means are emo doing the worst in the world. They're doing okay. But there are certainly players putting their thumbs on the scale want to say it sold say I'm politically neutral. I'm Stanford. Bad agents politically, who are putting their hands heavily on the scale, favour locking in coal and natural gas as the source of that greed, also, while preventing you from having electric cars, because it's pretty clear that that's how you make this all work out.

Dan Ilic  53:00  
Yeah. Doesn't that make you incredibly frustrated to be in this country and seeing that happen? I'm really circumspect

Saul Griffith  53:06  
because I've been in this game for 25 years, and I've seen every country fail hugely. And I'm watching the country that apparently we're all thinking is doing great. Fail a little bit right now, the US is doing pretty good, but not great on this stuff, right? And they don't even have a national energy market operator in the US. It's like left up to the state. So you have a hodgepodge of insanity. And you're in California, pg&e is anything but a good agent. And they basically have them an outlet, so you're not the worst in the world. And emo has done some good things, I think their sandbox programme so they could run some of these experiments was good. But now is just the time to declare the future is coming, we can see it. Right? The problems everyone wants to be technology neutral and still have like, but maybe hydrogen or or tadpoles, or guinea pigs will we see the argument about tech, we know which technology is going to win at this point, given rooftop solar is going to be electric vehicles, it's going to be batteries of every kind, including thermal storage. And then the problem is load management because Australia gets to the finish line first because we have the cheapest rooftop solar in the world. We get to develop all the technologies that tie the grid together and then we get to sell that as technology to the rest of the world because we go first I know let's shoot ourselves in the foot and not have that success story because interest large lobby groups with special interests.

Dan Ilic  54:26  
Now is it true I read I read in the Washington Post profile you've got yourself a thermal storage in your backyard you got a six foot hot tubs you should a hot tub so

Saul Griffith  54:35  
I could tell my own solar instead of I don't even I wasn't even going to wait for them to take my net metering. I decided to take all my rooftop solar and make a hot tub to help me with my arthritic joints.

Dan Ilic  54:51  
So you actually you don't put any energy into the grid. You just kind of hate the hot cheapest

Saul Griffith  54:57  
storage I can do is just take in you know any Aren't you I've got a little simple control system. And anytime I'm over producing, dumping, if the, if the car gets plugged in to charge a charge the car car is not plugging up.

Dan Ilic  55:11  
Great. And what does that run? Is it like a little Raspberry Pi, or you got a stroke betta system?

Saul Griffith  55:16  
Actually, there's a little, you can buy a little Wi Fi enabled plug that just goes over the electric plug. And then there's a pretty fabulous open source set of software called home assistant.io. And you can, you can make it sort of, even with my terrible levels of programming ability, make it work good enough.

Dan Ilic  55:35  
I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to kind of that thermal storage. When you say that's thermal storage, other than being used as a hot tub? Can you can you reconvert that storage into electric, or I just know that I'm gonna want to have a hot tub today. Alright, so I want to ask you a quick question about, you know, your work and trying to be as effective on the largest scale, you can be with the other lab, you know, out of San Francisco, you know, it's just a group of really dedicated people doing interesting things. But you've worked at such high levels with that small group of people. Did you ever think, you know, our main my mates in San Francisco would be able to have this kind of effect across so much from our little office in San Francisco?

Saul Griffith  56:21  
I didn't. And I think actually, this year has been really educational to me, because I've pretty much spent my whole life in. I'm a tech nology person, and then work on things I believe in and care about. And so we've done a lot of impact in big solar and big wind and hydrogen oil and a lot of things and air conditioning systems. But this year, he's a funny story for years. So when I was marrying my wife, before we were married, I was like a political climate is not heading in the right direction if it was, like 2007 or something. And like, if the world isn't moving in the right direction by 2020, can I become an eco terrorist? Because like MIT PhD, I understand infrastructure systems all week, I can build robots that couldn't make it and stuff, pipelines and coal trains and the whole thing and she's, you know, 2020 was years and years and years away at that point, she said, No, no, you absolutely, that's fine. If we haven't done enough action by then. Anyway, 2019 came around. And obviously the world hadn't done enough. I was like, hey, wifey. If I become the plumber next year, and she said, No, you have an 11 year old and a six year old, why don't you take the year off to do politics and see if you can work inside. And the lesson is actually quite beautiful. How much done you can get with volunteerism is really amazing. And then, with our experience in the US, we started an organisation called rewiring America with a an entrepreneur colleague, and we sort of built this lobbying organisation as though it was a tech startup, I think there was some good lessons there. And that was the right thing to do. But the real lesson is impactful. And I think I want everyone to hear it is like, if we hadn't showed up, large sections of the climate policy wouldn't have been written. There was no one in that swim lane. Like what the people don't. What we don't recognise is that in most Western governments, we've guarded the civil service. And policy has to come from somewhere policy doesn't get written by a civil public service very much anymore. Policy gets written by whoever can afford to show up, you know, afford to show up. It's the natural gas industry, and it's the oil industry. The only other people can afford to show up can afford to show up because they're free, or they're volunteers or they're passionate. And so we've had an outsized impact with a tiny, it really does feel like the, the rebellion from Star Wars, tiny set of poorly dressed people with what the equipment has been out of fight toe to toe with the most powerful lobbying industry in the world, natural, US natural gas industry, and we've won a few battles. And I just, we just need to do that on global scale. Like, you know, there's absolutely no fucking reason at all to be optimistic about our trajectory on climate. Except for what my mother says to me, and I kind of really believe that she's like, the middle class parents have awoken from their slumber and they're angry because you're screwing their children on like, I actually feel like there's a whole bunch of dad bods. And like, you know, finally hippie mamas who are just like ready to fucking rumble now. And I just want them all to feel fully engaged and like, you know what, you only need three of you to show up to a city council meeting, and you can change the rates, the electricity rates, we just got it. We've got 150 years of regulations written for fossil fuels. We got to undo it all in five years, and it's going to take an army of like People with a few spare hours from the middle class showing up to the right hearings becoming a voice, you know, everyone writing to their local members like, honestly, I want pro I we want electric vehicle charging in this parking lot and in front of the school and next to the church and we want this, we want that and then show up to the meetings and make it happen. Like the army that needs to be built in one or two years here is the army in the middle. That's been unheard of in this debate. so far.

Dan Ilic  1:00:29  
This is the so called quiet Australians. Is this what you're talking about here?

Saul Griffith  1:00:32  
It might be it could, it might be exactly what I mean. Anyway, my kids in the sixth grade at the at the local public school, which is just your magical public school looks like it was built in the 1950s. In the Australian, you know, it's it's 100 yards from the beach. It was amazing. The term assignment last year was design a sustainable house. And, you know, my son being my son tells us the my boy, I've got to take a project into the school tomorrow. It's got to be I don't want to do it at all. And I go well, okay, well, we have to do something, you got to build it. So what do you want to build? He's like, Well, can we do a floating city? Because really, I don't like cars that much. And they kill all the wombats and I love one beds. And then like, we killed me for sure. Why don't we just have no suburbs and we just build a floating city. And then we sat down with your calculation. As it turns out, if you build 12, giant 12, Hindenburg is four times bigger than Hindenburg, you could leave all of the suburb of sorry, we made a car. And it was, you know, duct tape and, and knock of pain. It was awful, but kind of cool. And I was really proud that he had this concept and the boldness to go and deliver this weed thing. Anyway, as we're, we go to drop him off, and you got to help him carry his UFO in the class. And every single other you could tell every single other project had hundreds of nervous parent now is engaged in it. And they weren't perfect architectural models of exactly the house that they currently live in with solar cells on the roof, chicken coops and electric cars. Yeah. And it told me something really profound, like I will absolutely go with you and, and having a sustainable Australia, but it needs to be in the house that looks a lot like the house I currently own. And it needs to have cars that are shaped like the cars that I currently own. And you know, okay, we'll have it all out a chicken coop?

Dan Ilic  1:02:34  
Are you trying to say there's a lack of imagination? No, I

Saul Griffith  1:02:36  
actually think we've got it really good in the quiet a stranger quiet because they've got it really good. And they don't want you to take a really good way. And we can't sell a climate we've had such a successful cultural war and campaign on the negatives that will happen to Australia, if we went for solving climate change, as opposed to you know what, I can give you that chicken coop, I'm going to give you an even bigger solar system than you think. And there's going to be two shiny electric cars, and you'll save money. And there'll be an extra $2 million in the 2 million jobs in the economy because Australia has such prolific renewable resources and such low population density that we are the natural foundry for the world. And instead of exporting black rocks, we should export crushed red rocks in the form of steel, which is what we used to do, and we should not give away our bauxite at a you know $100 a tonne, we should make it into aluminium and make $1,000 a tonne. And if we do that, you know, we can in fact be the luckiest country like there is no country as well set up to solve this problem. And I think because we are the luckiest country, we also have a little bit of moral responsibility to show the world that it how it can be done and be the good news story. Right? I just desperately would love gold at Glasgow. Right? We want to win all the fucking Olympic medals. Except for the one that counts. Oh, hang on. Before we told you guys

Dan Ilic  1:03:59  
go I was want to share with you this. This video I made

Unknown Speaker  1:04:02  
a message from the quiet Australians. Hi, i'm john citizen of the quiet Australians. You may have heard of us or maybe not. We're very quiet. For too long. We've almost been silenced. But no longer. It's time for us to speak up. Roughly speaking. Why do we play? Well we believe whatever it's politically comedians believe in. This includes economic growth at all costs. dispatchable coal power franking credit credits, quarterly tax cuts, trickle down economics, fracking, land clearing and getting refugees locked up indefinitely, like Jesus would have done. Also, if you can't afford to see a doctor, you should die. Public Education shouldn't be privatised. So should the army and we believe that politicians are undervalued and underpaid. Why are we so glad you asked because no one would want to be advocating pursued like this, but the quiet Australians aren't alone. We've got the backing of the silent majority is Matt Ryan Terry's Jenkins, president of the solid majority

Unknown Speaker  1:05:25  
Thanks for that glowing endorsement to raise the quiet Australians were so quiet. It's almost like we don't exist.

Dan Ilic  1:05:38  
Now let's talk about cop quickly. We've got a couple of minutes left. And I just wanted to get your position on cop like, what would you like to see happen for Australia's climate ambition, a cop?

Saul Griffith  1:05:49  
When we say a couple of things. So I read the 30 494 pages of the IPCC AR six report. And because that's the kind of thing I do, I read the footnotes. And what's really distressing is the two best scenarios is B, one 1.9, SSP. One 2.6, the technical nicely scenarios, they both model in more negative emissions mid century than is probably economically or physically possible. So even our best case scenarios, as presented by the IPCC, are now kind of unrealistic. So the urgency is even more urgent than you think. Because very likely those negative emissions won't come in to say that day, we shouldn't be banking on it the way that the politicians who go to cop will be banking on those emissions. So if you asked me for best possible outcome for cop 26, would be and I think it's, it's not impossible. And I actually think you could nearly get everyone here to make this possible, you have to believe it's not it's possible until proven otherwise. But like, Scott Morrison goes, when it gets around his turn, to speak, which will probably be lost because everyone's already thinks we're hopeless on this issue. He says, You know what, we have been hopeless on this issue. You know, what, we have been responsible for more than our share of emissions. And we've been a prolific exporter of coal and LNG for so long that we sort of have a burden. But you know, what I've looked at this, and I've had my best people look at the economics for Australian households. And we've had it backwards. We've not been embracing the future because we've been scared of losing our coal industry. But what I now know to be true and understand is that every Australian household will save money and will have a healthier citizenry and will save the prolific costs, what the money every dollar you save in the house, I will save $1 in the healthcare system, because we won't have children with asthma because they growing up in our home heated with natural gas or using natural gas stuff. And I promise to you the world that we do that by 2030 because that's possible in Australia. And we will electrify our households the vaccination against climate change is electrification. And just as we did with our lockdowns, we went hard and we went early, and we're gonna go hard, and we're gonna go early on climate, as well. That 10 years will buy us enough time that we will invest in our industry because we are the exporter of note of iron, aluminium, uranium, copper, we're going to add to that lithium, silicon, other precious metals. And we will more than pull our way in the 2030 2040 period, as we decarbonize our whole export industry, which will be doing the world a service because we will be providing you with the green metals that will help you rebuild your electric infrastructure that solves climate change ahead of even the most ambitious schedule under the ssps and that is a believable story that is an achievable outline.

Dan Ilic  1:09:05  
Wow that was that was great Did you if you written this up in like Comic Sans double space font for Scott you're gonna give it I was going

Saul Griffith  1:09:12  
to write it in Sharpie on a n cap all caps on a piece of paper and put it in front of the teleprompter. So that is possible right and that is what we should be doing and it is in fact good for everyone it's good for us it's good for the households it's savings in the suburbs jobs in the region's it's, it puts us back in the good graces of the world's nations for not being a planet fucking hypocrite. So until that doesn't happen, I want to believe that that's the outcome. And if Australia did that, you've already seen it right Germany and there's a whole bunch of car companies will eliminate petrol cars by 2035 then became 2030. And then England's like alright, 2025, right. So ambition is gonna begin More ambition if Australia could come up and say, You know what, President Biden, that was pretty good, but we don't know what serious looks like in this battle. This is serious. This is, you know, we got more to lose than you we have the Great Barrier Reef, right, we we know, it's written into the name of poetry, Sandow and country land, you know, rugged mountain ranges. And it's tough and it's hard. And we're going to get tougher and harder than anyone else with climate change. So I want you to step up to the ambition level that we just set, and we will lead the world and we will show you how to do that. The electricity market rules that make this possible, for example, will will run that experiment for the world. That is what we can do and that is what I want. And so right now I'm largely just offering myself to all political persuasions to help them you know, I've done the numbers and the research and I can show them the rigorous analysis and, and, you know, try to win some hearts and minds with PowerPoints. I know it didn't work that well for Al Gore, but it's got to work on one eventually, right.

Dan Ilic  1:11:04  
Yeah, yeah. Well, so I don't want to hear your your backup options for cop 26 because I'm so bored by the best possible scenario. Thank you so much for joining us on greatest moral podcast of our generation. I followed your work for about 15 years since when I was on hungry based researching, you know, Mark unipower back in the day so it's a real honour and a privilege to have you on my podcast all those years later. straight back it was super fun to thank you

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the Bertha foundation. Good evening, Louis. Good evening, Daniel. How are you? Oh, man, I'm okay. You know, it's um, you know, I didn't wanna bring it up, but I can't not bring it up. It's day 69 of lockdown in Sydney. 69.Lewis Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  0:17  
All right. Yeah. And you can eat out for two, but not three, because that's a breach of the COVID condition.

Dan Ilic  0:24  
Yeah, that is true. Hey, I'm pretty excited about this show, because we've got a couple of quite a few great guests. But also, we might even hear from you and Billy Joel, a little bit later on. That's exciting. Sure,

Lewis Hobba  0:37  
yeah. Look, listeners of the podcast of the last month would have had that one of my many lockdown crises was buying keyboard, a piano for children. And let me say this Dad, I can you imagine a world in which an adult who decided to learn piano would quit after a short time? Is that a thing you could imagine would only end up doing it for a week. Obviously, that's not what happened to me. I've been very diligently practising every day, but unless a man unless a man may have just played for like three days and then quit.

Dan Ilic  1:06  
We can't wait to hear you play Billy Joel's Vienna at the end of the show. So stick around for that. Please don't. Please don't Oh, you could just skip the end. It's a podcast. by recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the eora nation sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.

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Dan Ilic  1:34  
Tonight Joe Rogan is diagnosed with a Delta variant and COVID-19 his next podcast will offer the virus some advice on how to become the alpha and Australia Post. We'll suspend parcel pickups for four days due to having 500 staff self isolate. The pause in the service is said to cost the company as much as several Cartier watches and trade Kelly is reportedly not upset that he's receiving unsolicited phone calls from 1000s of people he texted on behalf of Clive Palmer. He's upset that those people are using 5g phones. It's the third of September 2021. And it's the 69th day of lockdown. Nice. This is a rational fear, irrational

thing Hello, welcome to rational fear. I'm your host former Joe Rogan experience Dan Ilic. Let's meet our female guests for tonight. Our first guest was one of the very first people to come watch a rational fi live at the FBI social back in 2012. Since then, he's gone on to be one of the most successful musical theatre performers this country's ever seen. It's Rob Mills, he Mills thanks so much for having me on the 16th day of Sydney's lockdown it's good to be here.

Lewis Hobba  2:54  
I love the way that intro daddy implied that somehow meals he coming to our podcast is what spurred his success.

Dan Ilic  3:01  
Well, that was my next question is music How did watching irrational fear all those years ago inspire you to become so successful?

Unknown Speaker  3:09  
Was the what not to do? I think I loved it. I've loved it from day one. I'm so glad that it's still going to show because I think it's it's so it's so fun and reverent and, and very thought provoking. So congratulations to you guys.

Dan Ilic  3:25  
The way you say that you're talking about Yeah, I feel like you're talking about irrational fear. Like you're hoping to book us into an old person's home so you know it's great.

Unknown Speaker  3:34  
I mean, if they'll have you allowed anyone in at the moment my dad said that Dan he his son, the gates locked in the in the zone the gates are locked at

Dan Ilic  3:44  
the moment. And she's done more home delivery to celebrities houses than a doordash worker in double Bay. It's the Rockaways herself is Julie's hero

Unknown Speaker  3:53  
Hello everyone. Oh exciting. It's like we're at each other's houses I'm beside myself.

Dan Ilic  4:00  
We're gonna talk about this later on. This is what we do for self care now we just you know, get our friends on the podcast Yeah. But Julia you're more than a friend you're a you're a Patreon member of the show you're a paid up supporter,

Julia Zemiro  4:12  
I have a Patreon I you know what I didn't even know what a Patreon was had to look it up I didn't quite do but they did they get it wrong as a patron. I don't understand. I've got a couple of patrons. I've got indigenous x and I've got bread Goldstein's film to be buried with and you Dan, because I love you and I also got irrational fear out Louis and your good self came to the Adelaide cabaret festival a couple of years ago bits rose. We wanted more politics in cabaret, because I don't know. It seems like a really good place to have politics and cabaret. Not just songs about you know who you're not in love with anymore. And you were amazing. It was so good. You just so fulfilled the brief. Thank you.

Lewis Hobba  4:52  
I do remember Julia. We're about 30 seconds into our show after our short deadline cabaret festival. One there was a guy in the back In the room, and he stood up, and he flicked a feather bow around his neck. And he said, That's not a cabaret. And then he laughed. And it was one of the greatest moments of my life. I love controversy. It's one of the top two storm outs we've had an irrational fear shows in its history was the first one. It was splendour in the grass. We were doing a show. And it was like day two and a half. And everyone obviously is just has been on whatever it is for so long. I people actually come to the tent splendour in the grass to like chill for a moment. And we started doing jokes about politics. And someone literally just stood up in the crowd in the middle screamed at us. Oh, that's good.

Dan Ilic  5:46  
That's excellent. I totally forgot about that. And, of course, our last few motors Louis harbour. Well that Louis. Sorry, I skipped my intro a little later on. We're gonna be talking to Lee and man show who's going to be starting her own political party so she can run for the Senate. But will she get enough people to register? That's the big question. But first here is a message from our sponsor this week, Harvey

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Dan Ilic  7:06  
My instruction was we need a few more cuttings in that sketch, and that will really sell early. What's the limit that you can have in escape? It depends on how many Patreon supporters we got. So we had a few more this way to come in so we could afford a few more cuttings. This week's first few coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to alarmist climate activism? Yes, there are a few there are a few MPs in the Liberal Party who decide that apparently, you know, climate change and get up and extinction rebellion, really robbing children of hope when it comes to climate change. And the solution to that is more school chaplains. See mungus Is this the solution? Julia?

Unknown Speaker  7:53  
Andrew, I think you're the one robbing the young people of Hope you're your party. Now. Look, I looked up Andrew Wallace and him and I both theories. And we're about a year apart. We're about the year apart. I say this because he talks of growing up in the 70s and 80s as I did with the threat of nuclear annihilation, so he knows exactly what he's talking about. And I can't just say that I think the thing that the thing with the threat of nuclear annihilation, he was still a button that someone had to press that you could close a door and you could lock it. Yeah. Climate change you can't get away from it's literally right there. So I think it's a bit different. I don't think it's the same. And rebirth in Aries for you. You know, he's always a little impulsive. He might be on the cusp. She might be in your Taurus. Anyway. But no, I think chaplains won't be helping what have happened to social workers. What about him? The good counsellors could bring a school counsellor in to chat to kids. It's not

Lewis Hobba  8:50  
Yeah, it's wild. I like did you guys have school chaplains? Now I went to a normal school.

Dan Ilic  8:56  
I went to a Catholic school. So we had we had brothers, priests, nuns, Jesus, you know, where the whole thing you know,

Rob "Millsy" Mill  9:02  
went to public school Louis, and we didn't have anything we had. Who was who was often my mom. So like, Oh, that's what you get into public school. Yet someone's mom growing up, right?

Lewis Hobba  9:15  
They should raise funds for more mums, just

Unknown Speaker  9:19  
the support. There's a lot of people doing that in the pandemic, right. There's a lot of people locked down and just making babies that's only doing

Lewis Hobba  9:25  
well by my partner's obstetricians. She's been delivering the baby boom. So she's been. She's never been busier. What a social what a social service. Jeez, that's extraordinary. Hi, look, we're all doing good whack Julia. We're all we're all doing important stuff. Well, maybe some more than others. But

Dan Ilic  9:42  
I'm just pleased to hear that there's going to be another breed of baby boomers coming through to lock me out of the property market.

Unknown Speaker  9:50  
I think Andrew Wallace needs to come down. I went to the climate change March, the kids did in the domain. They were extraordinary. They were there. I remember making little videos saying, you know, you can't be afraid of the word activism. You know, we're out there, you're allowed to get out and have a voice. You're allowed to join your lab to listen People to People talk. This is just such a scam. It really made me cross. When I read this, I picked up the newspaper and I throw it across the other side of the room.

Dan Ilic  10:19  
know, it's interesting the comparison he makes to nuclear Armageddon, but we're actually facing as you said, we are facing Armageddon moment. And when it comes to kind of the global warming in terms of atomic bonds worth of energy, the sea is absorbing an atomic bomb words of energy, like a Hiroshima bomb, word of energy every second, that's the ocean. The ocean is dissolving that energy. So we're actually we're actually it's it's happening. It's just happening very slowly.

Unknown Speaker  10:48  
Excellent stat.

Unknown Speaker  10:50  
If that's if that's a real that's an excellent stat. I'm like, that's a good stat mainland. Someone made it. I made it, like put it out there. Yeah, you got you got it. You got it.

Lewis Hobba  10:59  
And that's why kids are scared. You know, and I think that there's nothing better to do when there's a Hiroshima bomb per day than just have a little pray. Have a little pray and just pray.

Dan Ilic  11:12  
What a great slugger to have a little prior. Right all the way every time. It's the plan.

Lewis Hobba  11:19  
I think we need to get a gas plant in every school. I feel like that, you know? Yeah, every school gets a gas plant. And then the kids can just look at it and know that they will die, but they'll have a very brief moment of employment. get kids to stop squaring off Rakoff. Miss, you know, yes. Come on. We did have a chaplain at our school, and I was not religious. My parents were so anti religious, they wouldn't let me sit in any religious classes throughout my entire education. So they pulled me out of all classes, the shovel that we had gone to a school down the south coast well in Shillong in Victoria. And so everyone there was a surfer and our chaplain was a mad surfer. So I reckon he actually like, though I if there's if I can put my hand up for one chaplain, and one chaplain only was the one at our school, who I reckon would be the first guy on the picket line, like out on the in the domain in the protests just being like you putting her rashtra we're in one of our oceans. I want to go surfing, unless the surf gets better for it, so

Dan Ilic  12:22  
he might be for it. There was also another cool surfer who, who could surf the waves of the Dead Sea. His name is Jesus. He could walk on water, he didn't need a surfboard. He was

Lewis Hobba  12:35  
hanging 10 commandments baby.

Dan Ilic  12:41  
Like, so I feel like sometimes these Christian groups speak on behalf of Christians, regardless of whether actual Christians believe them or not like the Australian Christian lobby came out last week, to say that to Colin supporters to not fear death, and instead push the state governments to end the COVID-19 lockdowns like this is what the ACL said like this is the same people who basically put the country through enormous pain but to have a marriage plebiscite. Okay, marriage privacy. It's the incredible hypocrisy of that anyway, I, I thought I would resurrect no pun intended, an old group that I'm the executive director of to send a message. On behalf of all of those people. I represent a message from the Australian lapsed Catholic lobby. Today, I'm Dan Ilic, the executive director of the Australian lapsed Catholic lobby. And I just want to say that as the group that represents the largest sector of Christians in Australia, lapsed Catholics, we think the only way to give hope to children for their future is to take meaningful action on climate change. And statistically The only thing that will harm children more than climate change is an exponential increase of chaplains in schools. So please, when it comes to emissions, net zero by 2030 and when it comes to chaplains in schools, gross zero by 2021. spoken and authorised by Dan Ilic for the Australian lapsed Catholic lobby camera. All right this week second fear Craig Kelly has been sending text messages to pretty much everyone in the entire country. I don't know if you've seen this people 1000s of people will ever Australia's been getting this text message. You can never trust the liberals labour or greens again. Authorised by Craig Kelly united Australia party click on this link to follow I know whatever what happens you click on that link Have you any of you received this text message yet? Fear mongers lawyers, you've

Unknown Speaker  14:30  
got it? Yeah. Can I quickly jump in Louis. I know you've got this but my candidate really liked Tom and I'd like I've been I've been booty called by Craig Kelly. And this is very light tones.

Dan Ilic  14:46  
I mean, it's fair to say your booty call days are over there behind you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. I'm in a very committed relationship. Yeah. Is there a politician out there that you would you know exactly. Probably not Yeah, you probably would never send it to me but Penny Wong does it for me.

Unknown Speaker  15:05  
I definitely get received one from her no problem I turn except if she booty called me I would just want to sit quietly on a couch somewhere and just nurse a little glass of rose a and

Lewis Hobba  15:16  
I feel like you wanted a skald you go tell me I've done something wrong.

Dan Ilic  15:24  
That's funny. Yeah, I

Lewis Hobba  15:25  
got mine. I got my butt. Obviously. I got mine because I sign up to all of Craig Kelly's email list. I I love it. I love to hear

Dan Ilic  15:34  
your news. urina you and his telegram group to to download to get some in in hydroxychloroquine of course. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  15:41  
yeah. I'm on the I'm on the waitlist for ivermectin. Absolutely. I'm the first through the door. You know if you can take ketamine you can take ivermectin. I've been training but I've been training for horse level drugs my whole adult life.

Dan Ilic  15:55  
Now, here's the thing, apparently, you know, everyone's up in arms about this. And they're they're taking it to achma acuras had hundreds and 1000s of complaints about this text message. But apparently, political parties and charity groups are exempt from the Do Not Call register and are allowed by law to send it to you. It's under the Act called the spam act of 2003. The spam act of 2008 basically legitimises it we've got we've got on the Facebook who's deserves better is watching us on Facebook right now the Craig Kelly's electorate hello yes

Unknown Speaker  16:29  
well done. I came into Hughes you doing very well. Yeah, I am. I got mine on a Saturday and I was like, come on, mate. That's a bit early anyway, I just I did reply get fat just in case he got it.

Dan Ilic  16:40  
So this this kind of story is moved a little further down the line. So Ben Eltham who is a journalist at the new daily he said on Twitter Look, here is Craig Kelly's mobile number. This is the number send him a text if you like. And Warren mundane SPS board member put out a tweet rage fighting him saying you are a C word what a disgraceful human being you are. Now when I read the article, that was Cray that Lauren Monday was going to take a break off Twitter for calling a journalist to see what my immediate reaction was, well, you know, journalists can base a words I'm sure. I might as well go and have a look at this story. And when I saw the story, I was like, no, no. Ben Eltham is a national hero. That's fine.

Unknown Speaker  17:27  
I wish I'd gotten found and I would definitely have sent him a text. But yeah, that is quite. I mean, do people think sometimes before they tweet, I mean, that's quite something to have said that. I mean, did he not think he's on a board?

Dan Ilic  17:43  
It was a it was a wild tweet, like totally lashed out. Changing your mobile number is easy these days. My dealer does it all the time.

Lewis Hobba  17:52  
I'm gonna get a new message from Craig Kelly just being like guys new number save this one is Craig. Some crackers shit coming through this. I got I've got heidrich I try to crash the car. Yeah, make sure you get your orders in before nine. The new curfew is doing a real hard one for

Unknown Speaker  18:11  
somebody. Okay, peace, human rights in the circumstance that appears to be the opposition party, Labour Party, the National the greens, your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  18:24  
Alright, this week's third here, like we said at the beginning of the show, you know it's day 69 lockdown in Sydney. You know it's or day blend tea blouson of lockdown in Melbourne. I can't I can't remember. This kind of stuff is taking its toll on everyone and Rob Mills emails. You are in Victoria,

Unknown Speaker  18:43  
Victoria, and Victoria now. We've been almost a whole year in lockdown. So

Dan Ilic  18:50  
how are you feeling mentally? How's it all going? What would you have some tips for us to deal with lockdown. This is time round down.

Unknown Speaker  18:57  
I have some tips. I saw this. On the internet the other day, it was an isolation wellbeing checklist. So I'll just run through them. It's pretty it's actually really simple. Number one, shower very important to medication if you need it. Three drink water. For a clean one thing or one space in your house.

Dan Ilic  19:16  
I have to say that that is a great tip. I cleaned up my entire office this afternoon and I was ready to go. I was like you know I'm pumped to write something now made me feel really good.

Unknown Speaker  19:27  
Clean space, clean mind. Next 10 something like 10 to something growing or living to have a pot plant that you can look after. Be mindfully present to maybe it's a song or a sound, a sensory feeling something that you see or, or spiritual practice. Reach out to a human outside your home. Do one thing to get your heart rate up. Do one thing that you'll be glad you did later. Do one thing just because you want to and get in at least one good laugh. I this thing is really it was like the simplest, most beautiful checklists. You are And everyone loves a list who doesn't love love ticking off the list?

Unknown Speaker  20:03  
Can I add you know what I'm missing? I'm missing swimming in the ocean. Well, you know what, go with me. If you have a really cold shower for about a minute, and I mean you, you you Yelp and you'll have a lot of that going on but I felt amazing this morning after a minute under the cold shower. Man who put a spring in my step. I felt like I've gone for that quick, deep.

Unknown Speaker  20:25  
Yeah, it is the greatest cold showers in the morning hot showers at night.

Dan Ilic  20:29  
Every time I imagine mosey in the shower, I have to go have a cold shower. That's kind of my therapy

Unknown Speaker  20:38  
I've been doing I've got regular I've got regular check ins with different friends at different times during the week we just check in go Hey, guy, we have a zoom for half an hour. And so we don't talk about COVID all the time. We usually try and watch a film or something and then debrief so we just talk about the exciting show or film.

Dan Ilic  20:56  
I've got a surprise for you Julia right now we're gonna settle in and watch Robin Hood's from Disney the animated feature. So kick back, relax. What were these crazy kids get up to enjoy? Is it the moment Russell Crowe member we know the animated one the good one did you do?

Lewis Hobba  21:17  
Something involving Russell Crowe was not the best of anything. Not in my present. Come on my

Dan Ilic  21:22  
I was up early this morning at 4am. And I said I said on Twitter, I should go to bed or Russell Crowe replied No stay up and work. So I'm gonna stay up and work. All right now it's not for Hang on a sec. Right around the country. They're locked down freedom fighters being arrested by the cops in a crackdown to stop the kind of protests that we've seen kind of spring up. Occasionally over the last few weeks. There's a bit of a new trend to as these freedom fighters being arrested by the cops, they like to livestream their arrests because I don't know maybe some kind of self assurance thing that they're not alone, I guess. Anyway, here's a great one from this week. This is from Monica Smith, who is a major figure in the conspiracy theory lockdown world in Victoria. She runs reignite democracy Australia. This is her getting arrested and her live stream. Here it is.

Unknown Speaker  22:15  
I've just been pulled over by the cops. Probably because I'm outside of my five K's but um, hang on a sec. She's outside of the five K's. Do you know why she's not scared? Because she wants to audition for survivor. She is absolutely bald. Bald and you should watch that audition type. It's pretty bad. No wonder she didn't get in.

Dan Ilic  22:35  
Is that legit? Is that legit?

Unknown Speaker  22:37  
Oh, yeah, it's there. And it is really quite a terrible audition. I mean, I wish I had I could have gotten my hands on her and gone mate. Come on. Look up presents, buddy. Relax. Get in there. And she keeps saying I think I'd be good contestant maybe I wouldn't maybe I wouldn't if I got to the end. Well, then I deserved it. I mean, she makes no sense whatsoever. So yeah, but she was she was gonna try and get into survivor. She says she would have had a very good social game.

Lewis Hobba  23:01  
Oh, now she's an invented her own version, which is just COVID so she just walks around in ignoring all the roles and buying it off life.

Unknown Speaker  23:09  
Yeah, just fine. And so I just thought I'd put the live stream on just in case. That was stupid. Oh, hang on a sec. Hang on. Hang on a sec. I'll see you believe in seatbelts beat up believe in a jab. Okay. She's not even moving. Okay, she gets

Unknown Speaker  23:34  
out. moment we need to have a chat to you. That's our motto. informant. So I need to place you under arrest for that. Okay. At the moment you're under arrest for incitement? You guys been following me in my reporting? centre.

Unknown Speaker  23:50  
Hang on a sec. Look at that lower jaw that real? Oh my god. Mom,

Unknown Speaker  23:58  
me What you doing?

Dan Ilic  24:01  
The question have you guys been following me? Yeah, they're the police and they're pulled you over to arrest you for incitement? Of course. They are. Yes. They have been following you like how they know everything about you put everything up on Facebook.

Unknown Speaker  24:15  
Yeah. Isn't it possible that she's actually they'd like, yeah, we'd be following the live stream. We love it. We just want to get your autograph because

Lewis Hobba  24:23  
we really think you should have been on survivor hard.

Unknown Speaker  24:26  
She's auditioning for something again, that's for sure she has she moved back just to get little a camera readjust as well so that you understand that comment.

Unknown Speaker  24:37  
Please share this video as much as possible. Monica Smith.

Lewis Hobba  24:43  
Hang on a sec. I guess the haggis is sort of Monica Smith like just using yourself in the third person is using a lot the media

Unknown Speaker  24:52  
they will know Marty Smith. on her website she describes herself as a self Describe journalist.

Dan Ilic  25:01  
Well, exactly. That's exactly who are a lot of these people describe themselves as self described journalist that says that I am so I am. I am. Anyone with a podcast can become a self described journalist like us. I just said it makes it sound like more of a lunatic. So, yeah, she's self described. So then it gets weird sometimes because you know these protesters, they start to kind of make sense in their own kind of way. Here's one from Queensland about the potential truck blockade in the Gulf Coast. But then it turns into something much, much more. Hey guys,

Unknown Speaker  25:42  
just a quick video down the beach. I'm going to make a quick because I keep talking and I run out of time, so

Dan Ilic  25:52  
he's running out of time because he's on tik tok. So there's like a two minute limit that's running out of time. If he just not

Lewis Hobba  25:59  
done that intro, he did save 10 seconds like

Unknown Speaker  26:02  
word economy crosspoint to max Egan, and he went down and had a look, he couldn't see a blockade on the like south of Goldie. But he did say that there was no, I gotta make

Lewis Hobba  26:14  
sure we know who makes that again is friends with Monica Smith. Yeah, he rolled out who max Hagen is.

Dan Ilic  26:22  
Come on max agan auditioned for the greatest alien bakeoff, didn't you? Yeah. I'm gonna Google him and see who he

Unknown Speaker  26:30  
got the traffic coming northbound. So it could be there. It might not be it might say on Google Maps, it's saying there is some sort of blockage there. So maybe it is maybe the media is just blocking it all out.

Lewis Hobba  26:41  
Hang on. Hang on a sec. He literally said he went down and looked and it wasn't there. And now he's like, it's definitely not there. I've seen it's not there. But maybe the media is blocking the media can like put up a screen and hide a blockade? Is that what he thinks the media is like an invisibility cloak from Harry Potter.

Unknown Speaker  27:02  
I've just googled max again. He's got great videos such as we can't let them get away with it. And the universe had a bigger plan for me. And is this what the Great Awakening really is? So Max said no. Yeah, Max word.

Unknown Speaker  27:15  
With Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts and stuff like, Can we are we sure we can trust these politicians? Are they just playing both sides?

Unknown Speaker  27:27  
Nothing rather than Pauline Hanson are on the same side. So also, yeah, did I know they technically politicians, but they're not. They're not

Lewis Hobba  27:36  
apologists.

Dan Ilic  27:39  
Just like did Malcolm Roberts and Pauline Hanson he's idea of who our politicians and who, who they shouldn't be trusting. And all of a sudden, it should be. No wonder these people don't know what to think anymore. He or

Unknown Speaker  27:53  
she was the one that told the blockade to move on for people. For the people, you know, and I get it's inconveniencing people, but they were all inconvenience. So you know, I think having the power in our hands was a good idea. But are we really sure we can trust these politicians? I mean, are they just playing us? I mean, Malcolm Roberts, I mean, I really liked them. But the more time goes on the more or less, the less I trust them like, tricky, tricky from in Brisbane, a friend of mine, he's

Dan Ilic  28:23  
Oh, hang on, hang on, hang on, not shaky, not tricky. Mills II remember tricky. Oh, man, I wouldn't put a pass someone named melzi to know someone called tricky, that's for sure.

Unknown Speaker  28:36  
Pauline, and she didn't want to talk about conspiracies since he said is this being as used as a front to bring in a surveillance state? She's I don't wanna talk about conspiracy. So you know, why wouldn't if she knows about it, then why won't Why don't you say anything about it? Because I've heard her in in senate talking about agenda 21 and stuff. So can we trust these people? Are they just playing us? What's going on?

Unknown Speaker  29:01  
Is he doing a bit lucky? Like, I feel like I've seen someone do this about someone like I feel like he's so good at what he's doing right now. But he's legit, right? This guy's

Lewis Hobba  29:12  
if you close your eyes, he sounds like there is a very wonderful comedian who does impressions of these people called Greg Lawson. And the only the only version of this I've actually ever seen is Greg Lawson's version. And I've never really seen the real one and I just need to say if to Greg Lawson or anyone who has a chance to speak to him. Now I realise how good his impression is like, this guy sounds exactly like fucking Greg loss and it's why lead

Dan Ilic  29:36  
dead on that is so that is so perfect. That is Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna do that from now on.

Unknown Speaker  29:42  
I don't trust him at all. And Craig Kelly, he's the one that posted fine that brocade has gone ahead. And if this hasn't gone ahead, can we trust this guy to you know what I mean? I've noticed he's joined up with Clive Palmer. So, you know and bangs on about ivermectin. Yeah, sure. ivermectin. But, but yeah, so

Lewis Hobba  29:59  
I met him. Yeah, I mean we all know it work so move on.

Unknown Speaker  30:02  
But I'll keep you posted about the Truckee blockade. I don't know what's going on and if it's going or not going, but there's definitely no confirmation so yep,

Unknown Speaker  30:10  
hang on a sec. who's who's watching him just to check in on his, his ramblings like he's the trucking blockade update who's going? Who? Lucky we got some eyes and ears on the ground. They're lucky like it's it's taking two minutes now of him rounding disease. Nothing's happening. Okay, besides that, who's yours who's using his

Unknown Speaker  30:33  
irrational fear? What is shotput mean to your talk? Everything. I'm gonna go into Brisbane normally 44 years of age. And after this country logo anzacs did shut up with Scott Morrison. This is a rational fear. Our next

Dan Ilic  30:54  
guest joined us last year to talk about changes to the environment protection Biodiversity Conservation Act. And as part of as part of her role at the Australian Institute. Well, she's had enough of being in a think tank and now she wants to be in a do tank. She's running for the Senate next election in a new party called the local party. The only catch is will they get enough people to be able to register. Leanne Michelle, welcome back to irrational fear.

Unknown Speaker  31:19  
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Julie. It doesn't really matter. Because I'm a self described politician. So say I am so I am. I'm under your election. Yeah, thanks.

Dan Ilic  31:33  
This is a big deal. What's happening right now the federal government is wanting to rush through changes to change the way the laws work. So the parties need not not 500 members, but 1500 members to register for a local party. You're registered. You've got 500 members, but the question is, can you get 1000 more members so you can become a federal party? We just lose Leanne, on that one. I'm back. Back. lands back.

Unknown Speaker  31:58  
Okay, great. Oh, what happened there? I had to wait so long for you that you are dealing with the free folk of Tasmania. And we've got little boxes for like, no,

Dan Ilic  32:13  
I'm sorry. Sorry. We had you on the line for half an hour. We used all of Tasmania's bandwidth during that time. I'm so sorry.

Leanne Minshull  32:20  
No, I'm joking. We are. We've got a blackout, though. But I'm going to pick up on your question. Yeah, that's just gonna plough on. So we did. We made a party, the local party, it's a height as a hybrid. It's a network of independence. That's what I was looking for. So we've got the good things, all the good stuff about being independence, but put it into a party structure. So you've still got the advantages of all of the parliamentary privileges that you get back for having a party. Right. So you

Lewis Hobba  32:48  
like the IGA of politics?

Unknown Speaker  32:50  
Exactly. Where your local grocer, we actually launched just before the state election in in Tasmania, they called a state election four days later, and so we couldn't get registered. So I'm hoping that history won't repeat itself because it is a bit strange going out there and saying, I'm going to run for the Senate. If you're not above the line in the Senate, if you're not a party, it's almost impossible to get elected. And at this election, the sixth seat in Tasmania will be between Jackie Landis' office manager, Eric kuebix. Because he's third on the ticket. And me if I can get myself above the line, so only Tasmanians can help vote Eric out. But everyone in Australia can help them get us above the line by joining the local party. So I can have a really good crack

Dan Ilic  33:36  
is a really interesting way of framing that show there are plenty of people particularly You know, I think you could find 1000 ABC employees who would become members of the local party to get rid of Eric a bit. Well, let's quickly talk about the local party. What is the ethos? What do you stand for?

Unknown Speaker  33:55  
Well, as I said, what we're trying to do is to change part of the structure of party politics. So at the moment, I don't think anyone would argue that it's toxic. It's pretty misogynistic. It's distant. It's very much an insider's club. And I try to make it local again. And we're doing that by having rules of the party like every member gets every elected member gets a conscience vote on every single piece of legislation. So there's no party line to follow. Because I think what we need at the moment are politicians who can speak their mind and vote their conscience, not just follow a Tiguan that someone gives them in the morning

Dan Ilic  34:33  
is a kind of a it says it sounds like a con like a party of independence. Is that is that is it

Unknown Speaker  34:39  
is it is but what holds it together and why we decided to go down this route, rather than just go for independence is that the party system is really entrenched in Australia. And I think we've got to do more than just get a few independents in, although I back getting them in. We actually hope that this starts to change the way that party politics is done, so that it's a killer. To deal with people who want to come and govern and have some overriding principles that hold them together. And the people who are getting this are the young people, it's particularly men, and it's men sort of 55 plus who I've talked with you about this, and they find that they just don't get it. They don't get that we actually have agency over the way that our political system works, and that we can change it. And all we have to do is choose to change it. And the thing that holds the one concept that binds all of the people together, all of the elected representatives, when we get them together, is that they have to hold to citizen juries a year. So you have to make decisions for your community in partnership with them. Not in consultation. Like if I make a decision about what happens in the house. I make it in partnership with my husband. I don't set up a consultation process. Yeah. So that's what we should be doing as politicians and it's what we should be demanding as communities and Australians. You guys were talking about Craig Kelly before, so I clicked on the link because I got the text. Took you the anti Vax stuff. Yeah. What time did you get it? What time did you get it? Ah, like, Yeah, he was pretty cool than me too. Sorry. Yeah, I clicked on it and went through the anti vac stuff. But the actually the important thing about that is because the got the rules have been changed. They've put it through labour and liberal voted for it. And they sort of fast tracked a lot of the normal parliamentary conventions as well. And they're doing it just before an election. Like it just sucks. Like if you really want to change it, change it after the next election. But anyway, one little rule I kept for themselves is if you've already got somebody in Parliament, then you don't need to have 500 members. What exactly Thank you, and that's so you can

Dan Ilic  36:49  
lose memory you can like lose members and still maintain your spot.

Unknown Speaker  36:54  
I don't I don't reckon the Northern Territory country Liberal Party who've got 500 members just quietly. That is such hypocrisy.

Dan Ilic  37:01  
I've never I have no idea that that

Unknown Speaker  37:04  
was a rule. That's just crazy. What that is why Clive Palmer has gone along to Kelly and said, Hey, mate, do you want to be the head of my party? Because he's already in we instantly gives karma party status. Wow. So they didn't change that rule. They left that one in surprisingly and Kara how many is he got? I remember when Cory Bernardi left parliament, although for the liberals and he or whoever he was with, and he started up the Australian Christian lobby, and he was a party and he had no members. And how I know this is because one of my friends stole my iPhone one day and signed me up to the Cory Bernardi fan club.

Dan Ilic  37:43  
Yeah, I joined up to the freedom emails to Leanne and I think they were about I think they published like four emails in a year. They gave up

Unknown Speaker  37:54  
anyway yet. So that's how she did it is. That is crazy. So this is why I think we need more than just a few good independency thing. It's also by the way, I mean, I you know, I am running for the Senate. If I can get the membership numbers in but the senate the part of the house of parties, basically, you can't get in, it's very hard to get in as an independent. So

Unknown Speaker  38:14  
who knows? What How can we help? How can we help you? How can we help Leanne? How can we have Yeah, can

Unknown Speaker  38:19  
we tell everybody to go to the local party dotnet and join up? It's easy. All you have to do is be overwriting have to be registered to vote, and you can't be a member of an existing party. That's it. And I won't even send you four emails a year. And do it or have to be Tasman. Yes. This is the beautiful part. They'll see every person in Australia who would like to help me the throne, Eric a bit at the next day. Come on, it's too good. By just signing up for our membership.

Dan Ilic  38:52  
There's a lot to be said for getting regular folks who aren't professional politicians in the past. Yes. I mean, yes, do Yes. Let's let's remember Ricky Muir. We all made fun of him when he first got him because he was part of the motoring enthusiast party he got in and a quirk of quirk of like, voter preferences. But he was one of the best senators that we ever had in the Australian Parliament. And it was incredibly who's incredibly progressive, thoughtful, and always, he was always on the on the correct side of every judgement in his mind.

Lewis Hobba  39:19  
He was like one of the people who was like, here's my thought, here's my stance, and then people would come to him and go, Hey, here's what were you thinking you'd go? I've heard I've listened to you. And I've changed my mind. And you're like, Where's this is this basic humanity? humanity just wrote on that ticket. Where's the where's the humanity?

Unknown Speaker  39:39  
He but also, you know, he say something like Helen Haynes is a midwife and worked as a nurse. And I mean, it's people who've actually had lives and no real people and understand what it means to suffer and not have enough. And all those guys in suits, they don't get it. They do.

Unknown Speaker  39:59  
Get it everyone I think goes it most people go into parliament wanting to do something good. I think the party structures to people up and I think people stay there too long. I've worked as an advisor before, like 1012 years ago. I've got the best experience now to get to Parliament. I am a publican so there it is Leann

Dan Ilic  40:26  
Landy should die should wait. So Barnaby Joyce goes there so you can get go. What about Leanne's pop? You know when they go What's on the menu? is climate change on the menu? Actually, we've got a menu made up Barnaby. We've got several choices including net zero by 2030. It's delicious. You're lovely. Leanne, thank you so much for joining us. Some people can check out the local party. And and we'll put the link in the show notes as well. So thanks so much for joining us and good luck on your journey.

Lewis Hobba  40:59  
Thank you. I'll get off before it blacks out. No, stay

Dan Ilic  41:02  
with it. Stay. Oh, she's gone. Stay with it. I was gonna say stay with because we got a very special thing to end the programme tonight for weeks. Lewis harbour has been talking up his ability to play Billy Joel's Vienna is a lockdown project. He's been you know, to our you know, it's great to have Mills he and Julia on to music aficionados. And so we've been waiting for weeks to hear Vienna by Billy Joe as played by Louis harbour here on the podcast that's good.

Lewis Hobba  41:32  
Confident that's a confident bit of work right there already. To be beautiful I in all the years I've done irrational fears the first time I've actually had fear is fucking melzi

Unknown Speaker  41:47  
I mean, I look i don't i'm all i'm not missing out. I tell you what Rob will be he picked tonight. I mean, he knew that was a nice so he's in

Dan Ilic  41:57  
touch the keyboard. Without further ado, here is Lewis Hello, lane, Billy Joe's Vienna.

Want to say a big thank you to all of our guests tonight. Rob Mills emails. Julius mirror. Leah menschel for the local party. Big thanks to rode bikes, and our Patreon supporters. Safford chrissa faccin Mary, Robin McLaughlin, Cam Amos, Steven James, the Linda Barrett, Sara raid, Kate golden. Nathaniel say, we had so many new Patreon supporters this week. Big Thank you. It really helps us keep the show going. This is great, Louis. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's a gold medal. I've turned around in my chair. Yeah. Do you guys want to plug anything before we go? Julie do wanna plug anything? I'm not doing anything. Not really. Thanks. Rob Mills emails, you wanna plug anything?

Unknown Speaker  43:28  
I'm not doing anything because I'm in the arts. But I'd like to put by I'd like to plug my girlfriend's podcast is doing about the Paralympics called. Apparently it's really good. And also the other one is the Paralympics. What's the Paralympics? I've cried about million times this fall. It's amazing. It's pretty great.

Lewis Hobba  43:45  
Anything, not just piano lessons. is beautiful. It was it was just a lovely weather when the show was really good.

Dan Ilic  43:55  
Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Goodnight.

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Dan Ilic  0:04  
Good evening, Lewis. Hello, Daniel. How are you? I'm good. I was doing some work for the show this week and I discovered a list about podcasts. And we are in the top 100 podcasts in Australia.

Lewis Hobba  0:18  
I would love to know what the title of that list is. We just wish were a little bit better.

Dan Ilic  0:26  
Can you guess what number we were on this list?

Lewis Hobba  0:29  
I mean, out of 100 I we were we in the nervous 90s? Yes. Schedule just scraped in

Dan Ilic  0:40  
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Lewis Hobba  0:45  
everything rides on this podcast. If it's good, we could be you know, getting down to number one, if it fucks up. And this is to our beautiful guests about to join us if you fucked this up. To 100 we will come for you.

Dan Ilic  0:58  
Hey, I've got a new idea for our Patreon members, I thought the next 10 Patreon members who gave us 50 bucks a month I've got this thing for the election that I'd like to do, which would be to put up plaques around the seat of cook saying on this spot during a national crisis. Scott Morrison did nothing. And I just we just really wonderful to have these plaques going much like the plaque we put out the front of engadine McDonald's commemorates Scott Morrison pulling his pants at the 2003 subarray Grand Final. But this one I thought, well, if someone gives us 50 bucks, we'll put their name on it as well to dedicate it to them.

Lewis Hobba  1:32  
If someone gives us $50,000 Can we do a marble statue of just a man doing nothing? In a Hawaiian shirt? dropping a hose? Yes, yes, we'll put it we'll put it up

Dan Ilic  1:42  
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Unknown Speaker  2:01  
on rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra and gum and section audio or rational view recommended listening by immature audio.

Dan Ilic  2:14  
Tonight, Australia's richest performance the wiggles will go broke if they go work. That's according to Matt Canavan writing in the Australian which hasn't turned a profit since 1964. And damning reports from a Catholic media organisation reveals priests in the US and the Vatican on Grindr, meaning they're receiving much more than the body of Christ and contrast released a brand new ad that depicts a world where Australians could fly internationally again. It's been so successful that it's made every shareholder cry. It's the 27th of August 2021. In a jig that DVD of the croods this is irrational fear.

Hi, welcome to rational feet. I'm your host former premier of Tasmania. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She is the host of three podcasts and a guest on many more. She's a zinger slinger and a banjo swinger. It's Alice Fraser Welcome.

Alice Fraser  3:15  
Hello, Danny ledge pleasure to be here. I mean, I'm here where I've been since lockdown began two months ago, but psychologically I'm with you.

Dan Ilic  3:25  
And he's the non sequiturs non sequitur stuck in a room without any toys at all. Yes, he's in hotel quarantine. And pastor Ross Noble. Hello. Hi, how are you? fairing in in lockdown quarantine again, Ross.

Unknown Speaker  3:39  
You know what I cannot be doing with these people that just go like, Oh my god, I'm locked up inside. I've done it. Now. This is what I did two weeks in hotel quarantine. I've done four weeks quarantine in my own home, as well. Yeah, I know some people struggle with it. But you could not find a human being more more equipped to deal with just being in a room that's just in their own. Family like it's one of those things where if I if I didn't have a wife and two children, I would literally just do this. I do this all the time. Why? guesting on people's podcasts? Yeah, pretty much. I mean. I know not everyone can just just beat people out.

Lewis Hobba  4:27  
Yeah. Dan literally just has like a Google Alert set for Canadian in quarantine. And as soon as he said he's like, Hello, I noticed you have literally nothing else to do. Coming up. comes up on the app. This little thing where you put your thing in? alert all podcasts? Yeah, you're like, would you like to check into this hotel? Yes. Would you like to check into irrational fear? inevitably? Yes,

Dan Ilic  4:51  
yeah, we've had more guests on our inner from hotel quarantine than the COVID safe app. It's actually found people with COVID And finally he's the Uptown Girl of podcasting. It's Lewis Nova.

Lewis Hobba  5:03  
Hello. Yeah, that's right. I mean, boy, for a person who had never listened to Billy Joel until about a month ago, boy, but I listen to a lot of Billy Joel in the last month. It's something about the sort of dad level emotion that is really appropriate for lockdown. Like it gives you a hint of emotion. It's like a memory of emotion but doesn't actually make you feel anything which means you're in no danger of bursting into tears in public. Forever Billy Joel song. Oh, well, I'm so glad you asked I if listeners of the podcast would know that. A few weeks ago in a bit of a lockdown panic. When I ran out of things to do. I bought a children's keyboard and decided to learn piano. And so I the song I picked because it just happened to be on a random shuffle playlist at the time was Billy Joel's Vienna. So now that's probably my favourite Billy Joel song.

Unknown Speaker  5:54  
Could I put forward as a challenge that you do? That you play the Ultravox classic Vienna and you work your way through all of the songs. When you get out of the quarantine party, you could do that? Sure.

Lewis Hobba  6:12  
Just to Vienna.

Unknown Speaker  6:15  
You never live yet you never the Vienna show in Vienna. And you go directly up against old Andrea, are you? Yeah. He's always bothering people in Vienna.

Lewis Hobba  6:31  
I would love to be the guy that takes down ratio.

Alice Fraser  6:34  
For every person that remove bothers there are 10 old ladies for whom he is the pinnacle of their sexual enlightenment. It's funny isn't

Unknown Speaker  6:41  
it is because when an old lady dies at a real concert, to more grow in their place?

Lewis Hobba  6:50  
The Andre Hydra

Unknown Speaker  6:52  
but how good is how good is Renu? The fact that he managed nobody since Kevin Brody Wilson managed to infiltrate Australian petrol stations.

Dan Ilic  7:04  
Like you can line up at a post office and there's like Andre rieu on DVD like who is buying Andre telling you

Alice Fraser  7:12  
a friend of mine did contact juggling with you know those glass balls and he would do that basking in, in markets and the number of ladies who approached him to come and do a strip show as the Goblin King from the labyrinth. I feel like Andre was incredibly high, like put disproportionate. So I would say that Andre Rio is that for the postmenopausal demographic he has that moment of sexual awakening

Unknown Speaker  7:40  
What are you've hit on there though right which and I'm sure this is all news to you. You'll know this right? But the the guy that did the the glass ball manipulation was a guy called Michael Moore Shen

Lewis Hobba  7:55  
we all know emotion

Unknown Speaker  7:58  
So Michael motion was the guy that was behind Bali and was doing all the stuff with the with the balls and that and that now makes me happy to think that like basically he is a Michael motion impersonator and he's getting the legs even even more shed even though the fact he was the most highly skilled. Glasspool manipulator. I don't think that's enough to get the ladies

Lewis Hobba  8:25  
You're the best in the world at the only and you're the also the only person who does it. It's not necessarily that impressive.

Unknown Speaker  8:33  
Well, Alice's friend does it. He's out there trying to where where does he do this class ball manipulation?

Alice Fraser  8:39  
It is a markets busking. It seems to work it seems like David Bowie in the labyrinth is the equivalent of Princess Leia in the Star Wars for that generation. That's the moment of suddenly realising extra hands on an old lady's body.

Dan Ilic  8:56  
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This week's first fear in Great Barrier Reef news sexually frustrated sea snakes are making scuba divers potential mates. Yes, a study from the Macquarie University has confirmed the reasons why sea snakes and the reef sidling up to divers and wrapping themselves around their fins and licking the water around them is because the males who have poor eyesight mistake scuba divers for females sea stakes a female Angus does this make you less or more inclined to go diving on the reef? Ross?

Unknown Speaker  10:32  
Well, I mean, what an excellent excuse. What an excellent excuse. They're going for the old filthy Magoo tactic aren't really blind. I've made a terrible error. Oh, I'm so sorry. I seem to have been tangled myself. It's a me too nightmare.

Alice Fraser  10:52  
continental is just a very simple form of Braille. I wonder what just two dots I wonder what? No, thank you. Please stop

Unknown Speaker  11:06  
because.dot.in Morse code that's s, isn't it? So? s so it would just be a mix the sound of air coming out,

Lewis Hobba  11:20  
like the sound of a regular snake and they're like, well, I'm a snake You seem to be a regular snake. Let's make this work.

Alice Fraser  11:26  
I find this really positive and hopeful that even though I mean the sea snakes are saying they have bad eyesight all the scientists are saying the sea snakes have a bad eyesight. I'm not gonna put words in the mouth of the sea snakes, but the sea snakes are clearly attracted to the divers, even if they have bad eyesight. I feel like this is a positive sign that sea snakes like a bit of junk in the trunk. Like wetsuit fetish. quite quite high on the high neoprene.

Lewis Hobba  11:55  
Yeah, who knew? Who knew I personally, as someone who has been in lockdown for about three months, I've never wanted to scuba dive more I just want to be touched.

Dan Ilic  12:07  
This is interesting here it says the males tend to flick out their tongues. However, the most striking behaviour occurred after 13 incidences where males rapidly chased divers underwater when they swam away. A researcher said females don't do any chasing. They do the flaming during mating. So swimming away from a male snake is mimicking courtship behaviour. I don't think I've actually felt more in common with the snake ever. This is incredible.

Alice Fraser  12:32  
This makes me feel like I get it. I feel a real burden of responsibility now to sort of educate female sea snakes about taking control of your own sexuality and going after what you want. I'm not sure that I am equipped to fully communicate with sea snakes on such complex matters is good sent

Dan Ilic  12:49  
the rate well, so interesting about the research has said they suspect the snakes chased after divers after they failed a mating attempt. So the divers themselves are like sloppy seconds. They were just like, get there like a rebound person. It's clear that the most approaches to divers were males who'd lost contact with females that were pursuing. Oh my god, imagine, imagine how sad you are being a diver, you know, realising that

Lewis Hobba  13:12  
you're not the number one choice? Yeah, it also just sounds like kind of the beginning of the El incel movement.

Alice Fraser  13:21  
ancl movement.

Dan Ilic  13:24  
The comments of that mirror article, there's one there from three days ago from a guy called Jonathan Wilder. It said, I was a scuba, I was scuba diving with a friend in a black wetsuit, and a seal became very interested. It was funny at the time, but it was a large animal.

Unknown Speaker  13:42  
Well, if somebody it's an old joke, but you know if the he could somebody comes out of the water, what's up with your diving gear, a blue seal? You can't get a snake are rational fear. If it

Unknown Speaker  13:57  
bites you what would it do? That would kill you? They're much more venomous than then a cobra. Right? Yeah, they're more of a cobra much more. Right. So so people are going swimming again, right? Your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  14:12  
This week second fear. If you listen to last week's podcast, we spoke a lot about only fans, the website that allows horny people to pay money for sexy people to show them sexy bits so you can get off and move on with the rest of their day. Well, the very next day, only fans made an incredible shocking announcement they said they were not going to allow any sexually explicit content. And they were going to demand users verify their identities with government IDs, which completely ruins the entire business model for how for very horny secret agents. Of course, users and creators have made millions of dollars on this platform and they totally flipped out and now as of today, only fans totally black back flipped on their plans to make themselves a model of decorum. So fear mongers was only fans right to backflip on on this on being totally frigid Alice

Alice Fraser  15:00  
I want to talk about only fans and Pornhub. I want to talk about the whole porn industry over the whole last month because much like when you use a thing that you just bought on stage as a prop, so you can write it off on tax, I'm seeking to provide a reference point for future curious explorers that will explain my search history. And boy by researching this piece of satirical news for a long time, actually, I don't watch internet pornography, I'm not against it. In principle, I just think a lot of it is mainly geared to a very specific taste, which is to say people who are very turned on by very bad acting. And my dealer of choice for that is the Fast and the Furious movies. But it has been well.

Unknown Speaker  15:40  
I mean, you can level a lot towards them. They sent a car in this space on the last one.

Unknown Speaker  15:51  
When the car went off the cliff, and the plane comes in and is grabbed by a magnet. They're not in that car. They're in a green screen booth, and you genuinely believe that again.

Alice Fraser  16:07  
Don't get me wrong. I am an advocate for the Fast and Furious movies. The scene in which Jason Statham rescues Vin Diesel's infant child in a baby seat, and he puts noise cancelling headphones on the baby. So it doesn't hear him killing all the people is genuinely one of the more emotional filmic experiences of my life. It's very moving that he decides Jason stage. She's like, I shouldn't be paying you for that on only fans.

Unknown Speaker  16:34  
I should do that. Actually. I should do like, what is it the MSR is that what they call yourself in a bit with Jason Stephens stories. Anyway, sorry, sorry, I interrupted you different.

Unknown Speaker  16:56  
Only funds,

Alice Fraser  16:57  
it has been a bumper month for the adult entertainment industry. I did think about saying a banger month, but that sort of felt a bit forced and artificial. wakawaka That's what she said. First, okay. First Pornhub a couple of weeks ago launched their controversial classic nudes series. So it was sold as an interactive guide to some of the erotic art that can be found in major museums around the world, to which some of the major museums around the world objected, in particular that fitzy did not like porn hubs use of Titian's 1538 masterpiece, Venus of Urbino, as the basis of a pornographic reenactment, with the amateur adult couple known as my sweet apple. And it's a very divisive series, because the people who who like their pornography a little bit mucky, thought that this was too pretentious. And then art art history majors thought it was too inaccurate in its use of egg tempera. Then, of course, only fancy alternative to the big hubs for those who like their sexy pictures locally sourced from individual vendors, like the Boehner version of a farmer's market announced that it would be dropping adult content from its platform, not because it was being prurient, but because some payment processors threatened to withhold payment processing. And therefore, people wouldn't be able to get paid like the ancient Greek play lysistrata in which the ladies of the plot go on a sex strike to achieve a political goal. But the opposite of that if ladies were banks, and six was financially financial processing software. Of course, when only fans announced that they were going to pull out on the one thing they're famous for providing only a very small sub niche of people felt positive about being less egregiously caught blocked, and then the ones who did enjoy it had to have it explained to them that this would mean no more cut blocking content. And then they also joined in on the condemnation and then only fans has walked it back they found a payment processor who's willing to process payments, so we can all continue continue to masturbate as usual. And by usual, I don't mean to suggest that there's any normal that we should be

Dan Ilic  18:58  
done yuck my yum Alice Thank you.

Lewis Hobba  19:00  
My yum is in the Uffizi museum.

Alice Fraser  19:04  
I think just Ross nobles impersonation of Jason Statham has revealed new depths to my sexuality that I could hit the to not suspected. So thanks for that.

Unknown Speaker  19:14  
I would strap yourself in because I'm gonna directly after this, I'm gonna strip naked and recreate Rodin's the thinker.

Dan Ilic  19:28  
And that is for Patreon members only so make sure you

Lewis Hobba  19:34  
when they said, Oh, we can't do it because of the banks. I was just like the temerity

Unknown Speaker  19:41  
bank. Have you seen anything that you've done? 1000 years since Jesus kicked you out of the place, were you thinking ever since then it's been bad, bad and now these people do

Alice Fraser  20:00  
idea that any money is too dirty for a bank.

Dan Ilic  20:05  
I'm worried about I'm worried about showing some cookin bowls there. But we should definitely try and get someone want more money out of that dead woman.

Alice Fraser  20:14  
thing for the banks to pull the plug on this kind of content is just sort of dreadful given that a large proportion of their sort of day to day. One person income is just from overdraft fees, which is to say finding people for being poor.

Lewis Hobba  20:29  
I do like that idea. I'd love to say the Commonwealth Bank had that was like which bank, the bank bank. The Commonwealth Bank has been exposed in one scandal after another.

Unknown Speaker  20:41  
So you've probably heard about the banking Royal Commission, another banking scandal this week, Westpac has agreed to pay $1.3 billion for 23 million breaches of money laundering laws. This is a rational view.

Dan Ilic  20:55  
This week's third fifth the AFP spent two months on an elaborate April Fool's joke that never went anywhere. We've got a wacky sense of humour. They sent an email around canvassing ideas a couple of months out of out from April Fool's. And they, they were wondering, asking the staff like, Hey, guys, how can we participate in April Fool's in the email they sent me and they said, Please keep in mind when brainstorming sensitivities in public opinion at the moment, and please consider how each of your ideas may be perceived. It's almost like they knew that this was actually going to have a FOIA request when they sent this email out. Now, according to the FBI that was published in the Crikey, one of the all that whole bunch of the ideas were blacked out, except for one, which was a parody of the infamous Canberra hot air balloon, the sky whale, except they're going to Photoshop it and put a whole bunch of surveillance cameras on each of the nipples with a little AFP cap and call it spy whales. Fear mongers is this creepy alien like creature with videos or camera cameras attached to it? would you would you appreciate this joke from the AFP, Louis?

Lewis Hobba  22:01  
No. I mean, obviously, you don't want to add the AFP doing bits, you know what I mean? Like, that's, that's what I like. It would be lovely. If he started a podcast you like No, just stay in your lane. Just keep bugging Ace team or whatever it is that you do and stay out of the joke at the job business. So

Dan Ilic  22:21  
two things happen after this came back they went and they the base pay people sent it to somebody in government and the government to check on it to see if they liked the idea. And it came back and they said we'd want to pitch it to them. Because someone internally at the paid thought spy whale had a bit of a negative connotation. So they changed the name to see us I wail which is a really terrible joke. It doesn't even doesn't even make sense. So they checked to the ICT government. The government said no. And the email got sent around the AFP to let people know and they said oh, we just got the sky well concept approved from our end, but when it rates the government advised us due to rules, regulations and copyright issues, we weren't allowed to do it. sadface I don't know anything about rules and regulations. But I do know something about copyright regulations. The Spy whale is perfect under satire and parody law is something we would do all the time. It's comedians. However, CSI wale is a really shitcan and just wouldn't even pass.

Lewis Hobba  23:24  
The one thing I do have sympathy for. And I won't say there's done entities very often about acio. But um, it was just a draft. You know what I mean? Like, this never got to final it's never got to approval. And not all of us if someone started reading our drafts could be like, none of us. None of us have perfect first draft.

Dan Ilic  23:46  
But Louis spy was pretty good CSI were was a terrible revision, terrible revision. I mean,

Alice Fraser  23:52  
I absolutely have to agree with Louis harbour here. I'm adamantly against the current trend in news to give us pre news, sort of guessing what the news is about to be rather than actually telling us what may or may not be happening in the world. So I feel like this is an example of that of just saying a thing that might have happened but actually didn't happen. And we should all turn out faces from the spy whale and move on to the broad future. For me.

Unknown Speaker  24:19  
I have an alert on my phone for any what I like to call blink news. And a ship any form of floating dirigible, I'm all on board.

Lewis Hobba  24:34  
You know, Ross, I, I actually, you have left a legacy at Triple J that has caused me some real distress, and it is blimp related. That was it. The Nana? Do you want to explain this was many, many years ago, long before I worked there. Ross did I think he did a summer and I actually remember listening to it.

Unknown Speaker  24:54  
The idea was just that I decided that it'd be it'd be a bit of a love to do some radio. So myself rasiak is what we were doing. We did for a couple of years where we deliberately went in over the Christmas holidays when the building was empty. And the bosses are Triple J, basically when you just do what you like. So we took that on board as like, yeah, we, we had this thing we I said that it's impossible to break an egg with your buttocks. And I was just joking. But it turns out, it's impossible to crack an egg with your ass. So we had people ringing in with eggs up there are, we are alive. We have live chickens in the studio. I brought in some some of my pants. And we sent four sets of pants around Australia. So like we said, Come to the studio. So bloke set up the studio. And he said, I'm driving to Sydney. So we set one set of pants that way. And then we'd have meeting points where people were meeting up in town squares to exchange the plans. In two weeks, we got four sets of pants fully around Australia, both directions up north and back onto Tasmania and back. So yeah, it's not it's not commercial radio.

Lewis Hobba  26:09  
But I think whoever I are, when I first started there, my boss at the time, who's now no longer the boss, but he I think he was the boss who was there when you were there. And he loved that he loved that idea. So like nothing we could do, would ever make him as happy as that idea. And we would sit down and we would pitch him these ideas that we had great ideas, and he would look at it and be like, Can you make it a bit more like pants around Australia? Like, there's no pants? And this idea?

Unknown Speaker  26:38  
I know he is he is the mistake that you made you were pitching ideas. Just think it do it. And are you talking about the nano though we got a flu or nanner interspace or something we Yeah, we had a cardboard cutout of an old lady that somebody's stolen from a mobility shop. And then we divided it up into sections on the website so people could download a full size jigsaw of an old lady printed out, put it together themselves for a graph themselves with the Nana. And then we got the original Nana structure to helium balloons. Let her go in the middle of Melbourne, and then got the listeners to ring in. We had a map and we were spotting out as she flew across. And a lot of people falling off a lot of people because obviously it's not very environmentally friendly. really sure. The plastic Nana into the sky. But yeah, so we had a lot of people very angry because they thought she was going to end up in the mouth of a whale. But

Lewis Hobba  27:43  
being humped by an ale

Unknown Speaker  27:46  
ended up she landed in New South Wales, we put our address on it and the later we got it back so far.

Dan Ilic  27:55  
Hey guys, Mel Lewis, should pitch mode your original ideas. He's gone. Now the legacy of

Unknown Speaker  28:02  
that just think of an idea. Let it come out of your head and then act on it before before anyone has a chance to say no. That's the way to live your life. Rational fear this is a rational view. Things have also ended up a little bit dirty

Dan Ilic  28:18  
right now we're going to play Hang on a sec, I'll play a clip of video if you want to comment to say Hang on a second, I stopped the tape. This week's Hang on a sec comes from the AC t in New South Wales COVID update press conferences now It all started with john barilaro earlier in the week this week claiming the traces of COVID were found in the miraculous sewage treatment plants. And he blamed those traces on people from Canberra making their way to the south coast. So naturally, the ICT Chief Minister Andrew Barr was asked about asked about it multiple times. And he quite frankly appeared to crack the sheets

Unknown Speaker  28:50  
and COVID fragments found in the silvija merimbula. There's some speculation that canberrans are to blame. But can I

Unknown Speaker  28:57  
just say that the sign interpreter did the most magnificent signing of poo coming out and being dispersed?

Lewis Hobba  29:06  
Yeah. And also the face she did. It was like it was it was gross. She was like, Oh, this is yuck. No, I know where the search fragments have come from it. I mean, there's this

Alice Fraser  29:16  
Hang on a sec. I think what we need here is some sort of large surveillance thing that has maybe some sort of oversight over the whole region. Some sort of CSI

Dan Ilic  29:32  
skywire with nipples, cameras attached to nipples,

Unknown Speaker  29:36  
how much shit is going to be spread all over the area. If you've got a full size wheel.

Alice Fraser  29:44  
Full Size wear with a black light just over the Australian Capital Territory.

Unknown Speaker  29:50  
Live in New South Wales so it's just as likely to be from New South Wales. I don't think the series detection is quite that sophisticated to be able to tell whether it's a cam there and Or someone says,

Lewis Hobba  30:01  
Hey, I think we need we need a sewerage some ellia smiliar i going this this COVID Oh, that's, that's good. That's New South Wales terroir,

Unknown Speaker  30:16  
I would recommend to anybody in the AC t now, you know, you get those little flags that you get on fancy cheeses to particularly firms to stick the little thing in there and hope that it lasts all the way down.

Unknown Speaker  30:32  
JOHN has directly pointed at the AC t as the cause of that. What is your response?

Unknown Speaker  30:39  
JOHN, does john know something about the poo that other people died? I didn't know that from I mean, he's got scientific evidence that can back it up, but it's camera poo. Okay. All right. But I mean, seriously, I just

Alice Fraser  30:54  
I love the rage, like the simmering rage that he has to address himself to this question is truly astonishing. I will go as someone who's not particularly enjoying this weird state versus state, tenor that the recent COVID update coverage has has taken, I sort of agree with him, but he's, he's furthering this.

Unknown Speaker  31:15  
I love the fact that Daniel Andrews is. I love it. I love the fact that if you look at all of the people who are sponsored, like I'm in the climbing, if you look at all the people who are sponsored by North Face, they've got a very particular look. And yet, he is the most prominent face of North Face. All of these, all of these incredible world class climbers don't even come if you said, you said who's the face of North Face but Andrews in it. These people have claimed since they were tiny, and he's, he's done a lot. He can't even go downstairs. He cannot even go downstairs.

Dan Ilic  31:55  
He should get Gladys berejiklian jacket for the about face that we

Lewis Hobba  31:59  
did. He climbed a ladder of like, Oh, you know, politics is a ladder. He's climbed something. I don't think North Face are going for metaphors when I was thinking I was gonna metaphorically go into Korea. Korea is just a jacket for you.

Alice Fraser  32:24  
It's waterproof. It's fire resistant. It's extremely powerful in an emotional communication.

Dan Ilic  32:30  
Joining us now on irrational fears a friend of the show. He's one of Twitter's favourite energy nerds. It's Simon hams accord. Welcome, Simon. Thank you very much. Great to be on again. Now, Simon, you're this week, you've launched quite a compelling idea to imagine Australian politics without the major parties calling the shots. My question is, are you working for Clive Palmer?

Unknown Speaker  32:53  
I wonder if I've got the same strategy. Certainly different intentions.

Dan Ilic  32:57  
Yeah. Tell us about this big idea that you launched this week.

Unknown Speaker  32:59  
So this week, I launched climate 200, which is an organisation that's trying to get us out of the stalemate that we are in Australian politics right now. So we have been stuck as you all would know, without climate policy in Australia, really, for about 20 years. It's been a political football. And it's been arguably, we've gone backwards from where we were in with Kevin oh seven. That was probably the high point of Australian political climate policy. We've seen in the last few years, the the massive opportunity with strong climate independence. So zali steggall, Helen Haynes, before that, Cathy McGowan, Andrew Wilkie. We've seen, we've seen a parliament where strong crossbenchers can make a difference. Now they won't have ultimate impact on politics until they have the balance of power. But as we head into the next election, we have, I think it's a once in a generation opportunity for independents to hold the crossbench. And in that situation, they will negotiate for strong climate policy.

Dan Ilic  34:04  
That's a really compelling idea for particularly for people who want to see climate action in Australia. And I think that is a lot of Australians. That's something like 80% of Australians want to see meaningful climate action. But where what is the reality of that, like, how many seats are going to be fragile enough to kind of lend themselves to climate independent and independent, where climate is the centre of their of their of their policy? Yeah, so

Unknown Speaker  34:29  
it's crazy close at the moment, you need 76 seats to to have a majority government in Australia, and that's what the coalition has right now. They also have Craig Kelly, and Bob catters vote for Labour to win the next election outright, they would need to win eight seats and even then, well, I don't know how much faith can we have that we will have a strong climate policy when when just last night and this morning if they public that they voted for fossil fuel again and again. So

Dan Ilic  34:59  
yeah, a prayer In the beetaloo Basin gas in in Northern Territory, that is insane. It's like labour talk a big game, but they can't they never ever followed up with actual action. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker  35:08  
mean, just this morning there was a bill. There's it's turns out that our export finance organisation in Australia's export finance organisation has been funding fossil fuel projects overseas. Wow, there was a motion put up by an independent advisory Stegall to get to release the information on which which projects were funded and tell us more about that programme. And both labour and the coalition's voted that one down. So we we need as that we had that amazing period back in 2010 to 13, when labour was in minority government with with some strong strong crossbenchers. I don't know if you know, many people will remember Rob Robach shot tiny Windsor, Andrew Wilkie and Adam bandt formed a strong crossbench that Laban worked with, and they develop the carbon price, the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, which is still going great guns arena, which has done so much good work bringing in renewables into Australia. So we've we've seen that the major parties when they're forced to deal with the crossbench. And even at the end of the last parliamentary term, the was the crossbenchers, that brought in the Medi vac that brought so many sick refugees back from medicine a row back to Australia. So we've seen that it works. And we are so close, just three more independent three more zali steggall, Helena and Haines type. And we wake up on election morning after election with a different country.

Alice Fraser  36:30  
So I saw a question before which I would like to ask you, which is how do you know which independents are just saying whatever they will say, to get a vote and how can we hold them accountable? Is there any way we can sort of attach a maybe some sort of electrode testicle so that once they're in power, we can we can hold them accountable by pressing some sort of Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  36:52  
The thing is, wait, the thing is, we know that the major party candidates or incumbents are not accountable to their community. They first and foremost always go with with the party line. I mean, were they your your Trent Zimmerman, or Josh frydenberg or Dave Sharma, you've got the same voting record as as Craig Kelly, George Christiansen Matt candidate, right? They they all vote the same way. So whereas if you have an independent, they are absolutely accountable to their community, if they don't live up to their community's expectations, they are absolutely out next time and they know it they listen, first and foremost, the community, not to any party whip.

Dan Ilic  37:33  
So what is the feeling out there in different electorates that might be open to the idea of an independent? what's the what's the Zeitgeist like? What do you what do you feel like people are

Unknown Speaker  37:45  
saying, Yeah, we're really inspired. We were really inspired by so Cathy McGowan, the independent member for in die, who was two terms, three terms, and then and then handed over to Helen Haynes. At the last election, I think the first ever independent independent transition. She She ran a forum at beginning of this year and had people from 78 electorates around Australia turn up to reform our code getting elected. And a lot of those communities have gone on from strength to strength they've formed. You hear all around Australia, there's voices of Mackellar voices of human voice, our voices of Kooyong, often these these voices groups, and they were they are very strong, where they found a good candidate, we will step up and help them they've got to do the hard work, they've got to raise most of the money, but we'll be in there helping them with strategy and helping them with the necessary finances to come up against the incumbents.

Dan Ilic  38:39  
There's a lot of these groups out there as you say that there's rarely any independent name attached yet there's really a candidate name attached to it. How soon do you think candidates will start appearing like it has an actual game stop popping up?

Alice Fraser  38:53  
takes a while for a Thunderdome to play out?

Unknown Speaker  38:58  
Yeah, and that is that is going on there. There are some some communities are doing public forums in here and they've got they've been trying to run a forum COVID kid shutting it down but a forum where we're five candidates will get up in front and the community will pre select them in so open pre selection. Others are talking interviewing but look think of think about wearing the last time there was such a strong local campaign there was voices of wieringa there was a vote Tony out campaign people wearing the T shirts around town there was times up Tony there there were about five or six different groups who all were fixated on the same thing which was replacing Tony Abbott with an independent and once it was that they had a real head of steam. And they had article in the local paper talking about all these things. And Sally Stegall reading the paper one morning saw that and went Hang on. That's me. I could I could do that. And and so it's a bit chicken and egg you're not going to get a mean they're not they're not many solly stickers out there in Australia. There. There there. There are plenty of You know, there there, there are dozens of people like that who have got the whole package, but they're not going to stand up until they know the communities behind them. They've got a funded campaign. And they they're risking a lot to stand up in front of an incumbent

Dan Ilic  40:15  
leaving the the candidate candidates are waiting to see momentum first before they jump in, and kind of thread ahead of the ring.

Unknown Speaker  40:21  
I think you'll you'll start hearing more of these coming around about the October time frame. Right critics

Dan Ilic  40:27  
of the plan would play probably say you're just going to take seats away Utah take votes away from labour and the greens and probably just give the LMP another term could you live with yourself with that ever happened? Simon?

Unknown Speaker  40:38  
Look, I we will only run in strategic sets. And strategic sites are ones that are going to tip the balance in favour of climate action and integrity. I can't at the moment imagine that that the greens or or labour would lose too much out of this strategy. Think about Karen Phelps. Actually, Karen Phelps in her bio action sheet, they managed to convince a whole bunch of labour and greens voters to change their vote and put Karen first and it got her in in the by election. We did some analysis recently, that if, if just 1100 labour voters had put Karen in front of the libs, then Karen would have got back in. Right so things can be so finely balanced

Dan Ilic  41:20  
1100 that is that's such a such a small number. That's like a Ross noble preview for a comedy festival shot.

Unknown Speaker  41:28  
Yeah, no. politics are so finely balanced right now.

Dan Ilic  41:38  
Great. Well, Simon, thank you so much for joining us on rational fear. Just quickly, a little bit of interesting climate news that happened today was that a whole bunch of bush bushfire survivors won a huge legal stoush with the New South Wales Government now the New South Wales Government. Now the New South Wales EPA has been ordered by the courts to actually do something about climate change. Is that Yeah, that was that was incorrect. That sounds credible. Shouldn't the EPA already been doing things about

Unknown Speaker  42:02  
climate change? Yeah, well, well, it was it was the very first time it's a landmark case work. First time that Australian court has ruled to force a government agency to to take to take action on climate change. They've they found the agency failing to perform its statutory duty to address climate change. And what's what's great is that they compelled the organic they compel the EPA to follow its own legislation. So we don't need any new laws. Please join them. No, this is this is an interpretation. You can start you can start or you rather, you must start tomorrow. So this is this is it.

Alice Fraser  42:39  
It's really hard to force specific performance in law. So that's an really landmark case.

Lewis Hobba  42:45  
It's incredible. Imagine how long you could do your job before someone was like, I'm gonna get a job to tell you that you should start doing your job like,

Dan Ilic  42:54  
this has been sweet. I've been getting paid for 40 years. Is it possible get the same court to get the Minister for emissions reduction to start reducing emissions?

Unknown Speaker  43:03  
It wouldn't, wouldn't wouldn't be good. But look, it was only about two months ago that the environment minister was told by a court that she had, she had a duty of care to children, and she's appealing that decision. She She is taking her back to back to the court to say no, I do not have a duty of care to the future generations of Australians

Lewis Hobba  43:21  
that Cruella de Vil.

Unknown Speaker  43:24  
Yeah. Yeah. Well, so Susan, Susan, Susan w slay Yes. You know, used to be we used to have one escena name and now is has to because the numerology worked out that way, but

Dan Ilic  43:36  
very unfortunate initialization. Gosh.

Unknown Speaker  43:42  
Yeah. So so they're they're appealing that at the federal level, but hopefully, in New South Wales, I hope that Matt Kane is smart enough to to make it very clear that he's not going to go and ask the EPA to to appeal that decision. Yeah, let's hope New South Wales does the right thing. And it's Yeah, great, great start to finally get the courts to compel our government to do its job.

Dan Ilic  44:08  
Yeah. Well, Simon, thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear. And big thank you to all of our guests tonight. I was Fraser Ross noble Louis harbour. Well done that was a great show. Do you guys have anything to plug Alice to unplug anything?

Alice Fraser  44:19  
Yes, I have a weekly podcast called the gargle, which is a satirical news show with no politics. I also have a weekly show called tea with elsewhere have difficult conversations with interesting people. And a monthly show called The last post which is a satirical news show set in an alternate dimension all of which can be [email protected] slash Alice phrase.

Dan Ilic  44:38  
Tea with Alice is really great this week with comedian Craig quartermaine. friend of the show, Ross

Unknown Speaker  44:42  
if you have anything to plug, I do. Yes, I have these my podcasts called Ross normal podcasts myself and Ed Cavalli, and we were supposed to be talking about, we're supposed to deconstruct music videos. Well, we've done 32 episodes, I think is now we have yet to finish talking about shanaya Twins that don't impress me much.

Dan Ilic  45:07  
But we have a lot of Jason and Jason Statham on that podcast.

Unknown Speaker  45:11  
There's a lot of stuff and there's a lot of stuff a lot of Nicolas Cage. And we've, we started a new feature by accident or barrel chat, where we talk extensively about barrels. And then I'm gonna be in. I'm in Perth coming up. I can't really see why I'm here. I'm on a bit of a secret on a bit of a secret which I'm working on this thing which I've already talked about. While I'm here

Lewis Hobba  45:38  
is it succession

Dan Ilic  45:41  
gonna be the independent member for PERS in the next election this

Unknown Speaker  45:46  
is gonna be Mrs. Margaret River. Jordan reverses says, you never hear about Yeah, but I'm not but I'm doing a short I'm doing a short the because one of the one of the advantages of the fact that I'm now in Perth working on this secret thing, so I'm putting on an extra show. So the Regal in the next well, what am I recording it? Just Just look at the website. It'll be on there. It's the only it's the only stand up comedy show in Australia in the next six months. Come and see it if

Dan Ilic  46:22  
it's your live comedy. Go see Ross noble, I hear his grapes. Simon Journal Club climate 200

Lewis Hobba  46:29  
Yeah, we started a fundraiser for climate 200 we've had over 300 people donate so far. That's 100 to many Simon clothes and another

Unknown Speaker  46:37  
route where we're gonna have to change the name to climate three, the climate 2000 but please go to climate 200 dot com.au and find out some more about us. And if you can donate That's fantastic. Even you know, $5 shows that people behind the idea. And even if you hop on hop on Twitter and retweet all your friends and nudge all your friends, we're going to make a real difference in the next election.

Dan Ilic  47:00  
Louis when it's

Lewis Hobba  47:02  
done nothing to me, Dan just I'm just at home alone all the time. So

Unknown Speaker  47:08  
you're not gonna plug anything. I forgot something. If it's a nature documentary. It's on YouTube. It's called. It's called the unnatural history show. With Ross noble, all of the animals. All of the creatures in it are fictional. They're all they're all like puppets. And yes,

Lewis Hobba  47:30  
that counts as my plug. That's my plug. I'm plugging Ross navels up.

Alice Fraser  47:33  
Yeah, I take my plug back. I'll plug that to that sounds great.

Unknown Speaker  47:36  
Oh, not to hit you on YouTube. If you like. If you like Labyrinth, you'll probably quite lately. Big

Dan Ilic  47:43  
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I'm, well I'm well. I spoke to somebody this week and they said they are desperate to hear you play the piano by Billy Joel on your piano. They want to hear it. Is there any way we can hear it tonight?

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Tonight? Yeah, absolutely. Of course. I'm so ready and so good at hitting me letting people who say that piano takes us to learn I radiance. It's taken me two weeks and I know the piano. That's it. It's that simple. Oh, I

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Well, I'm sorry, I'm ready to pay to mention you know, I'm ready to get asked and put some leather pants on. I can do a lot of parody songs as well. I can do a lot of good parodies of Billy Joel's Vienna. I've got 10 or 15 great parody songs all about different German towns. Good stuff.

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Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former president of Malaysia Dan Ilic. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She smugly moved to Adelaide before the pandemic and she's still smugly there. It's the smug co host of the award winning just the GS podcast. It's Rosie Waterloo.

Rosie Waterland  2:29  
Daniel I wish I was still smugly there but I moved to Melbourne the day they went into lockdown. As we were driving into the city, they announced it at the presser so I'm not so smug anymore, my friend.

Dan Ilic  2:47  
Oh dear, and he's simply too handsome to ever consider being the host of a podcast but here we are. It's the other co co host of the award winning just the Jews podcast. It's Jacob Stanley.

Jacob Stanley  2:57  
Hello Dan. Funny I can be smug. I'm in Far North Queensland. I dodge all of the lockdowns but I'm just I'm not rubbing it in anyone's faces. I'm really not.

Dan Ilic  3:08  
Have you considered serving your state and getting down to the border to prevent New South Wales people from getting across the border? I

Jacob Stanley  3:14  
think they've got it under wraps without my help. I would be a hindrance I'm sure.

Lewis Hobba  3:19  
On the first time like Queenslanders have been going like Build that wall just

Dan Ilic  3:28  
and he's fully vaccin ready to play sax? Move that piano over? It's Louis harbour.

Lewis Hobba  3:33  
Now dude, bring the piano in. I'm throwing I'm throwing my I'm throwing my saxophone away in my constant search for like, because we're what nine weeks into lockdown now. And pretty much every two weeks I try to buy a new thing to keep me occupied. So two weeks ago was a piano. I learned a song this week. One of those like muscle pounding guns. muscles. So I got that on Monday. And

Dan Ilic  3:59  
the ones that make it look like you're you're gonna learn how to you're gonna like get your jerk off muscles really strong.

Lewis Hobba  4:04  
Those ones the ones gonna shake weight. They're like I don't know if I can say that. I can say the brand. This isn't like a theragun but like a cheap knockoff theragun from Amazon, and they're amazing. They're really good. Yeah, right. They usually use if you go to the gym, but obviously all gyms are closed. So I'm just using it mostly on my weak bones now.

Dan Ilic  4:26  
I feel like this lockdown. I'm doing the same kind of thing. I'm just buying stuff to fill the void. I bought a wetsuit the other day. I haven't used it yet, but I've lived all my life. I don't know how to surf, I'm gonna buy the things that you need to do the surfing. So the wetsuits been hanging out there for you know, four days I've yet to go surfing. Do you have a surfboard? No, I got

Rosie Waterland  4:54  
five days ago. I bought $300 rollerblades and I haven't used them yet. So I feel Yeah.

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Dan Ilic  6:15  
This week's first meet Now you may remember a Danielle bregoli. She got famous in 2016 when as a 13 year old she went on Dr. Phil and threatened to bash her mom outside the studio. She was the cashew outside girl. A few years later, she started performing hip hop under the name bad Barbie and she totally blew up. Well she turned out bad baby. Sorry, Bad Bad, bad bad. Well, earlier this year, she turned 18 and a few days after she turned 18 she got herself an only fans account and how long fair mungus do you think it took bad baby to make a million dollars? How long do you think it took bad baby to like a million dollars in her only fans account? Six months? No. Six hours. She broke the record for only fans. And she made a million dollars. She's now set to buy a $4 million house in Florida fear mongers. Is this the answer to how young people get on the property ladder? Rosie?

Rosie Waterland  7:14  
I truly think it is I consider her an enterprising Gen Z Gen Z feminist on par with Malala Youssef side she's really grateful representing for young women and you know what she mentioned in an interview with variety yesterday. Yes, she's big enough. Now she's getting interviewed by a variety that she's looking to buy a house in Florida in cash. Because she knows that Florida is a tax haven

Dan Ilic  7:41  
yet. This is incredible. reading this thing she's she's actually got the money smarts to back it up and she lives in Los Angeles is putting all of her stuff in Florida, so she doesn't have to pay tax genius. Incredible.

Rosie Waterland  7:57  
And example to young women everywhere.

Dan Ilic  7:59  
Louis, have you ever considered starting an only fans account for yourself?

Lewis Hobba  8:04  
Yes, yes, I have Dan. Of course. It'll just be mostly me naked playing Billy Joel's Vienna. And I really do think there's a market for it. Because I've heard that baby's music. It's actually quite good. Like she's she's genuinely, I thought she'd make money on that. But the only fans angle didn't say coming. I mean, yeah, good on it. Why not? Do you don't have you checked out the only fans specifically Rosie, do you know what sort of stuff she's doing?

Rosie Waterland  8:29  
I look, I can't say that I've had the chance to partake. But she does say that she doesn't do anything that she's uncomfortable with. It's mostly just scantily clad. Little Boomerang videos and photos. But you know what? All power to whatever she wants to do if she if she's making cash. Good on her.

Dan Ilic  8:49  
Jacob, are you backing bad baby in here? Look,

Jacob Stanley  8:54  
Sara Lee do so disagree with what she's done with the platform since she got her platform except for the fact that I just don't love the idea that there'll be a bunch of kids out there who want to emulate her by turning to a lack of crime in their youth so that they can end up on a show like Dr. Phil, and then launch themselves into the stratosphere as she has done so it feels icky to me.

Lewis Hobba  9:16  
Yeah, I prefer the old method of spending a life in like organised crime and then making your money by selling it to underbelly to just do over and over and over. Yeah, exactly. It's a tradition. Yeah, the old school way. crime.

Dan Ilic  9:35  
She makes a stack of money outside of only fans to she looks like she's got a $2 million product placement deal with her bad baby videos. she earns $40,000 per post on Snapchat. And Wow, she's she's she's looks like she's mentored. She's got so many cars. She also sounds rosy. She sounds like she actually might be a really good parent because when it comes to exposing kids to bad messages in her own music She said this, even cardi B. She turns off WAP when her kids come around.

Rosie Waterland  10:08  
I personally think warp is an inspiring song. But, you know, that's just me. I mean, I do like that recently a judge in a court who had a very naughty young girl in front of her while sentencing her said you don't want to end up like the cash me outside girl, do ya? And the video of that ruling went viral and Danielle bregoli saw it and paid that girl's fine and said to the judge, you know what, I earn more in a year than you'll ever make so so I think she's looking out for the kids TV. Oh, man,

Dan Ilic  10:44  
I've been doing Patreon all wrong, I should have started. Speaking of Patreon, if you want to support the podcast, you can go to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear. There aren't any nerds. But I tell you what, for our Patreon only subscribers, we will have a picture of Louis in his underwear.

Lewis Hobba  11:07  
Reverse idli fans, which is where you and I promise, if we get enough money to keep our clothes on.

Dan Ilic  11:16  
lucrative endeavour. Yeah, I actually have I actually have an only fan. So if you go to my only fans, you'll see one picture up there. I think it may. Without a beard, I put it.

Lewis Hobba  11:28  
I want to see you in that wetsuit, baby. Let's do it.

Dan Ilic  11:32  
That's gonna be the second picture.

Unknown Speaker  11:35  
I'm mustering the face case, she wouldn't get out my face. Either. I'm breaking down her door, she's breaking down my door. I don't stop. So I started seeing that. I ran out four times in one day. And because probably back every time, this is a rational fear.

Dan Ilic  11:53  
This week second fear in Serbia. a caveman who's been living in a cave for the last 20 years has come out of his cave to get the jab and encourage others to get the jab to before going back into his cave. In the words of the caveman. And when he was asked about anti vaxxers he said the virus does not pick it will come here to my cave to I want to get all three doses including the extra line. I urge every citizen to get vaccinated every single one of them. Now fear mongers. How can a caveman who's got no contact with the bottom world have more sense than people that spend all their time reading Facebook and telegram messages from Craig Kelly.

Jacob Stanley  12:30  
It's what he lacks in internet connection he easily makes up for in common sense. 20 years ago when he departed from society. It was common knowledge that vaccines were good and diseases were bad. And he's just maintained what we all used to know. But a lot of us seem to have lost our ways. And I'm very excited that he's the one to be sharing this message because I think he might be the one who can win over the hearts and minds of the people of mullumbimby because he's a white guy with dreadlocks. love nothing more than that. So he's bound to get their attention and he may be able to get through to them.

Dan Ilic  13:07  
You know, I've called a lot of anti vaxxers cavemen and I'm really sorry for that now. They have clearly caveman or above anti vaxxers it is absolutely disgusting on my behalf. I feel so sorry.

Lewis Hobba  13:20  
This caveman Do you know if he's like staying across the world broadly? Like, what was it kind of like, we just needed to tap you on the shoulder and let you know there's been this big outbreak. Oh, by the way, the Chicago Bulls cleaned up in like the next few days. Bill Clinton is no longer someone that we like, like how many things did he have to learn from the live in the early 90s

Dan Ilic  13:42  
wait till he finds out and learns about a guy called Donald Trump and his he found out about the pandemic because he like once a month goes to the supermarket. And he didn't like once every so often goes to the supermarket. He didn't know what was happening until he went to the supermarket and saw everyone wearing masks. And that's how that's how he found out about it. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  14:05  
I hope this supermarket that he goes to once a week is LD and that his cave is just filled with the weird shit from the middle aisle. Yeah, this cave he knows nothing about the modern world. But he does have like a fishing line and very weirdly shaped pillow and a bunch of

Dan Ilic  14:25  
and you know what? If you're living in a cave, that's exactly what you need.

Jacob Stanley  14:32  
He every single one of the articles found it necessary to point out the fact that he's got a bathtub that he uses as his toilet. So there's every possibility that yes, he picked that up in the middle while

Dan Ilic  14:45  
probably they do sell bathtub sometimes. No I watched the video of this guy and he's got really beautiful eyes like he's He's good looking caveman. Huh?

Rosie Waterland  14:59  
Oh, are you thinking Maybe to the cave. Maybe Maybe he needs an only fans. four feet of marble that holds you up up high in this chamber of humanity who would you? Your time has expired. I

Dan Ilic  15:25  
think you want to join the party at Parliament House with your own political body. Think again. Soon it's gonna be easier than ever to keep parties out of Parliament who aren't already registered as a party. Yes, the Morison government introduced a party registration integrity bill. New parties will no longer require 500 members to register, they'll need 1500 members to register. And new parties won't be able to use a name that's similar to existing parties names. For instance, you couldn't use the word liberal labour or the greens even if you spell labour correctly, or the greens party was about vegetable consumption. You couldn't do that. And you're not allowed to register a party with annoying vexatious or frivolous names. fee mongers with an election coming up has thrown a spanner into the works for any of you who've may have considered starting your own party this election, Louis? Well, I

Lewis Hobba  16:11  
mean, I'm curious, I'm just sort of going back through previous names to figure out who like, what about, say like the sex party, would they have stopped the sex party getting through? Do you think

Dan Ilic  16:20  
it could be a frivolous name? Yeah, like sex can be frivolous? Sex can be frivolous. Yeah. I was thinking about like, like, wouldn't you be would like the totally normal party? Would that get through? Like, if you were like, Whoa, we have a very serious palette with I'm gonna start a party called the very serious party, would they count that as frivolous?

Rosie Waterland  16:39  
Well, I guess I mean, you know, how tuned into politics. I am Daniel. So I had to ask my partner Caleb about about what this story actually meant. And he explained to me that a big part of it is not trying to like tag on to someone else's name. So like, they can't get above you on the ballot and confuse people. So you can't kill yourself like liberal too, because then people might get confused and vote for you thinking they're voting for the liberals. Yes.

Dan Ilic  17:06  
Oh, this is what happened to the Senate election some time ago when the Liberal Democrats got in and they were first on the ballot. And that's how we get some idiots in the Senate.

Rosie Waterland  17:15  
Well, that's what Caleb said. Caleb said, but only idiots would have teach Liberal Democrats. And I said, Ah, would they though, because I probably would have done the wrong thing to maybe this is a solid rule. It may not be entirely democratic. But there are some people who would just look at that and go, Oh, that word looks familiar tick.

Lewis Hobba  17:36  
It should be we should start trading every political party name, like sort of Instagram handles, they should be like, there's like liberal liberal 69 like liberal compound. And then they should be like, Liberal Party official. And so you know that that's the real well, yes. But if they need to bluetick the party names. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  17:58  
I just think like, would it be nice if there was a Labour Party actually spelt labour correctly? And they were? Well, actually, if anything, there's more frivolous name is labour spelt without a you?

Lewis Hobba  18:08  
Yeah, maybe I'll start a party this next election called I'm putting the EU back in labour.

Unknown Speaker  18:15  
That's it. Oh, rational view. So I think we just have to live with Gladys berejiklian is absolutely right. We just have to learn to live with this disease. And we can't continue indefinitely in this stop stop life. Your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  18:33  
We've got a very special guest this week in irrational fear. It's the leader of the greens, Adam bed. Adam, welcome to irrational fear. Hi there. And First things first, why did the greens vote against the cprs? In 2009? Well,

Adam Bandt  18:47  
what? voting for a carbon price. We did it for it. We got one up 2010. We got it up. And then the liberals and rupert murdoch and the fossil fuel industry came and tore it down.

Dan Ilic  19:02  
So we did have one. Adam, where did the greens stand on this? On this party integrity bill, registration integrity bill, the greens was registered, were registered off the back of 500 people in Tasmania, will you be backing the government's party registration integrity bill?

Adam Bandt  19:18  
No, we don't like it. And it comes as a package of measures that does not just what you've spoken about, but also starts to put a bit of a handbrake on third parties that want to get involved. And clearly that's aimed at groups like get up and so on, that the government doesn't like so it starts to restrict their activities a bit further. And I think there is a place for smaller parties and independent voices in the in Parliament. And, you know, we'd meet the thresholds, but we don't think it's right. So we're opposing it. And there's a number of other crossbenchers who are with us on that and we're hoping that the opposition will join us.

Dan Ilic  19:54  
Do you think it will get in Do you reckon label will back it in?

Adam Bandt  19:58  
I don't know. I don't know. And I The I think there's every chance we can stop it. In the senate at the moment things hang on one vote a lot. And if labour decides to join with us and oppose things, often sadly, that one vote is Pauline Hanson in many instances. And so like putting your faith in working out what her party is going to do on it is not a great way to run a country. But that's that's where we're at at the moment until we kick her out at this election, but so i'm not i'm not gonna predict it. But I'm, I think there's a good chance it's not gonna.

Dan Ilic  20:30  
So if we kick her out of this election, and then change the law, so she can get back in I like it. Now, there's been a lot of talk about climate change this week. I mean, we hear so much about it, I'm sick of it, is it over?

Adam Bandt  20:45  
Certainly not. And it's gonna go for a while. And yet the talk over the last couple of weeks has not been good. And it's another, you know, I don't I don't know what happens what what the metaphor is for after alarm bells, alarm bells ringing

Unknown Speaker  20:59  
loudly,

Adam Bandt  20:59  
you know, sign, I don't know what the next level is. And we're sort of running out of phrases to say what the scientists are doing. But they're basically saying, look, we're gonna, we're kind of got until the rest of this decade. And if we don't fix it, then potentially climate change becomes a runaway chain reaction, and we can't rein it in. And that's what worries me. And that's what's been occupying people this week.

Dan Ilic  21:20  
I really did enjoy the scientists using code read, I think, quoting a few good men is the best way to get people's attention. That was very, very good. Now, it's only 73 days away until we are at COP the Conference of Parties 26 in Glasgow, the big climate talks. I know you're not in government, Adam, but what would you hope this Australian government takes as a national target heading into cop

Adam Bandt  21:47  
75% cut our pollution by 2030. That's what has been the independent climate targets panel has said we need to do that, to do our fair share to limit global warming to one and a half degrees. And you know, above one and a half degrees, Pacific Island countries start to become uninhabitable. Right? You know, we start to see droughts that previously happened infrequently start to happen twice as often. So to do that, according to the scientists, we need 75% cuts. And you know, I didn't think I'd be in this position of saying, Boris Johnson is doing something good, but Boris Johnson is doing something good. And like we're now in this situate like he's, they're talking about nearly 70% cuts on air pollution by 2030. And Joe Biden in the US has come in and more than doubled their or effectively doubled their cuts to over 50%. And meanwhile, we're stuck with Tony Abbott's emissions targets of 26% by 2030, which are which are just woeful. So you've kind of got this situation at the moment where you've got Boris Johnson, Joe Biden and the greens on one side in Australian politics and the others, basically saying, Oh, no, look, everything's fine. We don't need to change our way.

Lewis Hobba  22:55  
The only more depressing thing about Tony Abbott's climate change is Tony Abbott's gosh

Dan Ilic  23:03  
oh my gosh, that's right. Yeah, they do it a podcast I totally forgot to listen to this week. Lewis

Lewis Hobba  23:14  
god no. I'm doing everything I can at the moment to like minimise the things that make me feel angry and sick like I'm whatever nine weeks at the Sydney lockdown I don't need I don't need to choose to listen to Tony Abbott. Now that I am not forced to.

Dan Ilic  23:30  
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Lewis Hobba  23:48  
Apparently apparently the Introduction Music is a banjo. He just turns on a banjo for a while it's pretty well.

Dan Ilic  23:55  
What are they anyway? That could be better if it was a jeweller.

Adam Bandt  24:00  
And no disrespect to you guys. But I think you know john Howard gets invited on 730 and Tony Abbott start his own podcast.

Dan Ilic  24:10  
Adam ban only serious leaders get invited to come on podcast. So hey, look, I interviewed Chris Bowen today Chris Bowen is the is the shadow Environment Minister and in the same breath he gave this he gave this speech about Labour's cop targets what he would love to see not only the Austrian government had to cut it, but in the same breath, he said we need to put aside petty politics. And then at the same time, he said the greens don't have a transition plan for for workers in fossil fuels and they can't be trusted. I told him, I'm I'm pretty sure that's pretty sure that's wrong. Was I right and telling him that Chris was right and telling Chris Bowen that he was wrong.

Adam Bandt  24:48  
You're correct. I mean, I've introduced the bill to establish a transitional authority to ensure that we have a phase phase out of our coal fired power stations in coal mining In a way that looks after the workers in communities in those regions, and I've, I've actually travelled around to coal communities around Australia to basically walk in, you know, the greens are here, we want to phase out coal, but we want to have a discussion with you about how we do it and held public meetings at the, you know, lift muscle group workers clubs and head guys in, you know, high vis vests with arms folded and sitting down the front glaring, and it's all the way through the stage. And they come up afterwards and they say, look, you know, it's done. I agree with everything you say, but you're the only you're the only ones who are actually being honest with us about the need for a transition.

Dan Ilic  25:34  
Louis and I did a show at the hunter. Two months ago, I've been up in Newcastle. And it's so interesting talking to folks after that show, because, you know, they know, they know that fossil fuels is going to have a sunset time, they're just waiting for someone to put in the solutions to get them the next career. It's really strange.

Adam Bandt  25:53  
We've sent down really badly in this country, right, like we've seen transition happen and just come in slam communities. But we've also seen that done reasonably well. You know, the car industry was a really bad example, that they just shut it down overnight. And all of a sudden, people lost their jobs, and they didn't have anything secured and move into. But we know this is coming, right and the people in these areas now what's coming. So we can say let's make this the place that we are going to create green steel and build green hydrogen, let's make it an energy and a manufacturing power base. It's not it's within our weight to do it.

Lewis Hobba  26:27  
Yeah, as I say, it was really interesting when we were doing the irrational fear shows in, you know, climate, vulnerable communities, particularly communities that have a lot of fossil fuel industry. And we will be chatting to them afterwards. And so many people would say, like, no one is more guilty. They has this more sense of climate guilt than me. They're like, I go on the ground, and I know what I'm doing, but pays for my kids I get this is my life. It's what my parents did. And and the things that they like, I've got like, I couldn't have more solar panels on my roof. I couldn't have hobbies, having shorter showers, like everything I do in my life is about trying to mitigate this. But I also just don't feel like I've got a way out here. Like it's sort of what they would call the sort of golden handcuffs of that industry.

Adam Bandt  27:10  
And that's up to us to do it. Right. That's what government is for government is about saying, here's the change we need to make. And we've got to look after people along the way. And the good news is like in those places in New South Wales, in Queensland, like in many of those areas, there's a lot of sun, there's wind, we could actually use that to create electricity that we then use to create other products. And we could be creating zero carbon steel here in Australia, zero carbon products to sell the risk, zero pollution or other products to sell the rest of the world like we can start doing this stuff. But we we just we just need government to do it.

Dan Ilic  27:47  
Speaking of people getting in the way, I've been hosting the better futures forum this week, Adam and Matt Cain said at the forum, he said, if if you're if it gets in the way of climate action, get out of the way. He's a liberal minister, who was he talking to you? They

Adam Bandt  28:02  
are most of the Liberal Party. And he also said, you know, this is your opportunity send a message by voting and I couldn't agree with him more though brains. Gonna be doing our rights for us. But thank you very much,

Dan Ilic  28:17  
man. Well, I didn't let me ask you like if you could pick anyone to join you on the back bench could be from any party. Let's play a bit of fantasy back bench here. Who would you pick?

Adam Bandt  28:28  
So they go on the back bench?

Dan Ilic  28:29  
Yeah, you're on the front bench? Yeah. Or the front.

Adam Bandt  28:31  
Okay. Joe Fitzgibbon put him on the back bench. And then

Dan Ilic  28:44  
I lost bone about Matt canes quite about getting out of the way. And I said to Chris, that's a pretty decent sledge against Joe Fitz given, isn't it?

Lewis Hobba  28:55  
Like how what, how worried should we all be Do you think at about the fact that that doesn't really appear to be any sort of effective? Major opposition, obviously, there's the greens in their their parties, but in terms of a you know, whether it's liberal labour, the big two, neither of them seem to have any kind of desire to make any real changes or whether it's desire. They don't seem to have the spine for it.

Adam Bandt  29:18  
Well, this is what worries me is that we've got you've got the United States President Joe Biden, saying the climate crisis is an existential threat. You've got Boris Johnson and his government saying we've only got a short period of time to act. You've now got the United States, which is supposedly Australia's biggest and closest allies, ally, publicly speaking, saying Australia's targets for 2030 are not enough. We need to do something about it. And while the rest of the world is saying, waking up and listening to the alarm bell saying, right, we've only got a short period of time to turn around, and they're actually trying to do something about it. We're trying to hold them back. And it's a real real worry and like the grains are in there, trying to hold Scott Morris into account honestly, the end of the Scott Morrison government and the next election i really really do like he's the the climate deniers, they are increasing inequality in Australia and we've got to kick him out. But it's getting pretty hard to try and put the pressure on them and hold them to account when the others Labour's fighting with them to open up new gas fields in the beetaloo. Right, we should be keeping it all in the ground. And working out how to transition away from not working out how we can open up these new gas fields in the Northern Territory. And in those gas fields in the Northern Territory. There's about seven years worth of Australia's pollution there. So hearing, I'm glad that you know labour starting to take a small step towards the side of science. But what we really need to do is put the asset on Morrison in the lead up to that climate summit at the end of the year so that he goes there and joins Joe Biden and Boris Johnson instead of hanging out with Saudi Arabia and Russia, which is where we are at the moment,

Dan Ilic  30:57  
some of my favourite liberal democracies. Well, thank you so much. It was absolutely great to have you join us, Adam. Appreciate that. A big thank you to all of our guests tonight. Jacob Stanley, Rosie Waterloo, Louis harbour and Adam bandt. If you got it God's got anything to plug Jacob.

Jacob Stanley  31:14  
I suppose we should mention a little podcast, Just The Gist podcast you can check out just the gist podcast we release new episodes weekly ish. We share crazy wild true stories in a very easy to digest way so you'll be able to remember all the cool details and then share them at a dinner party.

Rosie Waterland  31:35  
That's the first time he's ever done a plug. Good job. just comes naturally.

Dan Ilic  31:43  
Rosie you wanna plug anything?

Rosie Waterland  31:45  
Um, I guess I will also just say plug just the just oh and follow Jacob William Stanley on Instagram get his own account.

Dan Ilic  31:53  
Oh, yeah. He's gonna get his money going. Outside go level cashola coming at him. Van. Would you like to plug anything?

Adam Bandt  32:03  
Yeah, the next election is going to be really close. chance to kick Scott Morrison at bright brains and I will go now seem frivolous. And lastly, firelight Shawn walk.

Lewis Hobba  32:17  
Yeah.

Adam Bandt  32:19  
Funny, funny guy. And model my look and my glasses. My

Lewis Hobba  32:25  
Ah, yes. All right. Adam, are you guys internally, you guys would be much more tuned in than we are you guys taking predictions on when the election obey? Yeah,

Adam Bandt  32:37  
based on the based on New South Wales and the current rate of vaccination rollout, probably going to be the start of next year. But you know, Scott Morrison, I think he does think he's the chosen one, I think is every chance to do tapings he can pull it off. He's here we'll do it.

Dan Ilic  32:53  
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Lewis Hobba  33:38  
Ah, honestly, it's gonna it's gonna be a bit of a clusterfuck I feel like we should let everyone go. Everyone he has much more important things to do that what do you plug a piano?

Dan Ilic  33:50  
I'll tell you what, next week, we're gonna hear Lewis play the piano.

Lewis Hobba  33:53  
Okay, I'll try to set it up. Otherwise you just watch me use my Thera gun.

Dan Ilic  34:01  
Thanks very much. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation. Good evening, Lewis. Hello, Daniel. How are you? I'm, well, I I like the rest of our listeners want to know, how are you going with Billy Joel's Vienna?

Lewis Hobba  0:14  
I, I've just rushed home from work. And I had five minutes to spare before the podcast started. And I just had a quick practice. And I can get from the very start to the very end in a fashion.

Dan Ilic  0:28  
Oh, wow. Like, like still with stops and starts or you know, going, Okay.

Lewis Hobba  0:33  
I would like if you heard it, you wouldn't be like, Oh, it's Billy Joe, you know. But for a person who hasn't touched the piano since he was five. It's functional. Like, if you knew the song, you heard me playing it, you would probably go. I reckon that guy's playing Billy Joel's piano.

Dan Ilic  0:50  
Well, also, a lot of people don't know really, Joseph. It's one of the more obscure village owl songs I thought I was, I thought I was well across the oeuvre of Billy Joel. But I had never heard of Vienna till last week.

Lewis Hobba  1:03  
This is exactly why I chose it. You see, because if I chose Piano Man, and I'm at a party, and here we can have parties again. And there's a piano there and I sit down and I start going there, then everyone look at me and go that guy and he knows one song, and it's piano. Whereas if I stop playing the piano, they like no one in their right mind would only learn Vienna, this guy must be a pianist because it must be the 1000 songs he knows. So it's all mind games. You know, the next one is they're going to want you to play piano like but don't worry. You're not going to go to a party until 2015. So it's totally fine. Well, much like Billy Joel I already resent piano and

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Tonight Rianna is now officially a billionaire and like all billionaires the singer is planning to head into space to open a diamond mine in the sky and Australia is ranked last among 200 countries for its action on climate change. Prime Minister Scott Morrison says it's not a race and the AC T goes into lockdown after one positive case proving that the camera bubble can be burst by a little prick. It's Friday the 13th of August what's got to drop first these COVID cases or Donda? This is irrational fear.

Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former premier of Queensland Danny let's let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. And now, since breaking out as a Best Newcomer nominee, the Perth Comedy Festival he's been forced to work at the chaser and the feed is net domina. Thank you for having me. Now net what's the worst thing about working for the chaser? The sexual advances watch. These often referred to as the Lebanese Australian Louis Theroux, but don't try to pigeonhole this young Walkley winner. It's Marty smiling. Now, Marty, how many former channel vape presenters have walkways? Is it just you in Java? That's a yes,

Marty Smiley  4:20  
Java won a Walkley Award for his deep dive into bone smoking.

Dan Ilic  4:30  
And he's often referred to as the next Billy Joel. It's Louis Alba.

Lewis Hobba  4:33  
Thank you so much. Yes. The 55 key Piano Man, my piano on the piano boy. It's like I'm doing a gritty rabid of the piano man. I'm the son of piano.

Dan Ilic  4:44  
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Now I've always said, I've got a plan. And the plan is the plan. It's a planning plan that's been planned. I've always said that will David Attenborough and the Earthlings be able to stop the missions in the time? Now you Listen here, Scott, we've

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only got a couple of years left until the point of no return. The numbers are just not looking good.

Unknown Speaker  5:24  
Well, that's great, then we can blame the collapse of the earth online, or will they suffocate themselves and every other living creature in a toxic soup of stinky greenhouse gases?

Unknown Speaker  5:37  
Everything is dying, Mr. Morrison, and you're doing nothing.

Unknown Speaker  5:42  
I'm not going to do anything that will cost jobs and the most of risk jobs are those on the boards of fossil fuel companies that all need after I lose the election in eight months time. I've always said that. I find out and this the potentially last ever series of the show, but jumped the shark up to the red now songs.

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Dan Ilic  6:26  
Yeah, there you go. Production date production display.

Lewis Hobba  6:31  
Who's ready for fun?

Dan Ilic  6:32  
Yes. The IPCC dropped their latest report this week and it was not the feel good event of the year we were promised. And the unsurprisingly bleak report basically means the earth is fact we factor and we're still fucking it. And if we would have a chance to continue as a species as in to keep on fucking each other. We need to stop fucking the planet ASAP. Fear mongers, how has the IPCC report impacted your wake net?

Nat Damena  6:58  
Well, it seems like every like climate change report that comes out is like worse. It's, it's worse, and also stating the same thing over and over again, which is there's a problem. No one's ever offering any solutions.

Marty Smiley  7:16  
That they just tell us it's bad that it's getting worse. And as Dan described to me at a time, it's fun.

Nat Damena  7:23  
Well, I read the article today. Let's say we've got to keep the temperature of the earth below 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2030. Otherwise, there'll be unpreventable damage to the but the article also said, If we can't do that, we'll do 1.6. And if we can't do that, we'll do 1.7

Marty Smiley  7:41  
I did say that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Lewis Hobba  7:45  
You think they've already given out Li look? 1.5 is the dream but we're aiming for three?

Nat Damena  7:49  
Yeah, they're moving the goalposts. Yeah. Like, it's like if I said, Look, I'm going to try and eat one packet of Mac and chase tonight. I'll try the two if not

Dan Ilic  8:00  
three, it is yeah, sorry. It is. It is interesting to see how this is being kind of, you know, dealt with this week across the political spectrum. I don't know if you saw the same day as that report came out the young liberals in the AC t were holding a fundraiser in Canberra, where they auctioned off a lump of coal from the Adani Carmichael mine. How much do you think a lump of coal from the Adani Carmichael mine would go for at a young liberal fundraiser? How much do you think I went for?

Unknown Speaker  8:32  
Oh, god $500 It's a good question. I don't know the price of a lump of coal and I

Unknown Speaker  8:39  
feel terrible about

Dan Ilic  8:40  
this. Yeah, this is a very john Houston gotcha moment here. A very couldn't explain the cost of a GSA in a cake. Now these lumber coal went for 20 $600 someone paid $2,600 for a lump of coal from the Adani coal mine. Just to what I own the greens

Nat Damena  8:58  
to be fair, like we do live in a world where people pay over $6,000 for bags of air from concerts.

Marty Smiley  9:03  
Well, yeah, like you know, Justin Davis like the water balled or he left on stage, like I would pay a lot of money for that lump of coal that scomo had in Parliament House. I mean, that is iconic clump of coal, that one straight in the poor.

Dan Ilic  9:18  
Isn't that quite indistinct from an other bunch of lumps of coal, you'd have to get it signed and authenticate a certificate

Lewis Hobba  9:24  
to all lumps of coal look the same to you their age lump of coal is a snowflake beautiful and individual.

Marty Smiley  9:33  
Classic climate change activist chatter

Lewis Hobba  9:37  
it's funny, like the only positive if the climate change report for me was that it bumped my lockdown panic down a pig. Like 12 weeks into Sydney lockdown, I'm losing my mind my anxiety never been worse. And I'm like, well, this is the worst thing that will ever happen to me. I'm like, Oh, that's right. I'm gonna burn in 10 years. That's actually was

Marty Smiley  9:59  
some Who has been caught in a climate change disaster? The New South Wales floods of this year? I can't tell you guys it's it's a very scary thing to be caught in. And I can tell anyone listening at home, you know, you don't want to be in the situation I was in. I was stuck at an Airbnb that cost $200 a night to be there for a week. And I was caught in a town that I would never want to spend more than

Lewis Hobba  10:30  
48 hours in, you know, Barnaby Joyce is always like, we don't know the cost of climate change. Marty should be like 200 bucks a night.

Dan Ilic  10:39  
We do know the cost we do know that we have to have the numbers and a written a custom delivery as well. So boring.

Marty Smiley  10:48  
Actually cannot I mean, this is maybe a bit wrong, but floods are by far the most boring disaster. Like is it slowly encroaches. But it takes ages for the water to subside. I would go down there each day to see if I could leave over the bridge Saqqara, john to Richmond back into to New South Wales to the city. And and you know, I would go down 10 centimetres, it's it's not it's not fun.

Dan Ilic  11:14  
This is that that is that is a big, big claim for a man that's currently in his 48th day of lockdown in Sydney. It's so strange and the Australian Financial Review the same day the report came out they ran an opinion piece. This is the headline for the opinion pace. It's called the headline ran. It said high quality Australian coal is lowering global carbon emissions. They ran it right and it was written. It was written by a guy called Paul Flynn and I checked out, I checked out who Paul Flynn was the opinion pace was part of the CEO and managing director of Whitehaven coal,

Marty Smiley  11:54  
like, Oh, god, oh, God, we need extinction rebellion back is is what we need. We need big stunts. We need people back on the streets. And it's a bit it's a bit difficult at the moment. I like what he's

Nat Damena  12:09  
doing. You know, I want to see people put a positive spin on global warming away to see about all the tissue and get out, organise a press conference and go up and say, Look, global warming, it might look bad, but it's delivering fresh clean water in Africa, one iceberg at a time.

Lewis Hobba  12:28  
Like the people who I worry about the climate changes, the fire firefighters, you know, there's always like, there's stories of the one or two firefighters who get bored throughout the summer and go on lighter fire. Yes, that let's be like that. They'll never have to do that. Again. All I have to do go home and run the dryer for 24 hours like you can start a fire for the next 100 years.

Marty Smiley  12:52  
Dan, would you be into doing a sort of extinction rebellion style santia you have done a lot of stunts in the past and your comedic career. Would you be interested in say building a boat? And because you've been letting people know about climate change for some time now you are a sort of NOAA of Australia. I see you as a character within the Australian political scape

Dan Ilic  13:17  
Marty I think boatbuilders is a boom industry. I think there's gonna be I think for where we live in Sydney. I think boat building is going to be the future people living on boats as a future and Marty dare I say when there's a flood I will have an Airbnb on a boat you can rent out.

Lewis Hobba  13:35  
Well, if there's one thing it's funny that the Australian Government has actually invested so much more in like building boats and submarines then in climate change. They're spent like $43 billion on a never ending submarine programme. And they're just like, we're not gonna fight climate change. We're just gonna make sure we can put us all of Australia underwater when the time comes

Marty Smiley  13:54  
with being governed by preppers. That's Scarborough's. That's the thing. Basically.

Nat Damena  14:01  
scomo doesn't look like a prime minister. He looks like him in his wife owner budgerigar farm in North Queensland. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  14:09  
A 100 or two year old bedridden woman has been ordered to prove her date of birth or have a pension cut off calls and emails to send a link with

Dan Ilic  14:20  
a rational fear. This week second fed national MP George Christiansen will not run for the for the Nationals after the next election in order to spend more time with these WordPress. Yes, George Christians. So there's going to start a pro freedom website in the style of Judge report. I don't know have you ever seen the Drudge Report? It's just like this terrible looking website that just has links to other websites and I don't know if you know anything about the internet. There are quite a few other websites that do that job very efficiently. So Eva has some competition. Currently, the nation first.com.au website which is his website is And it needs a password to exist. But before it went down the new daily check it out. And it said, out of the 31 links that were displayed on the websites homepage 30 are from news articles from America. The 31st article was a link to a blog that Mr. Christiansen had published in January asking former US President Donald Trump to issue a pardon to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and saying it would be a blow to the deep state.

Lewis Hobba  15:31  
But he does something that isn't necessarily terrible. It's still for insane reason. Isn't that like Australian culture to just take something from America from America. But also, I love that he's

Dan Ilic  15:43  
saying we blow to the deep state and George Christensen is part of the deep state he is. He's in government, he is literally a nationals party.

Marty Smiley  15:55  
person is like, the next election in his mind is like, I'm already out. I am no longer a politician.

Lewis Hobba  16:03  
It's like, such a like, the that approach is so like the the guy at school who no one liked, because he in his belief at Parliament, everyone is hanging out together except him. He's like, this is Barry's a group of people. That includes everyone but may

Nat Damena  16:24  
feel like he wanted to start like a right wing podcast and couldn't figure out how the buttons worked

Marty Smiley  16:30  
outside a bunch of links that it's got interesting blogs, there's so I'm gonna tell this and blogs are dead. It's like using Alta Vista to do your searches online.

Dan Ilic  16:41  
He would be better doing a right wing podcast now. I think so. You mean you guys run a podcast? How hard is it to actually have your own podcast?

Marty Smiley  16:49  
Incredibly, yeah. It's very time consuming. I'd say that. I mean, it's very easy if you don't want to do a good job. Yes.

Lewis Hobba  17:00  
That's how we've always been running it. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  17:03  
It's what other kind of content Do you reckon we can expect from this? This Drudge Report style? George Christian did some websites some travel reports of Southeast Asia? Yeah, maybe some recipes.

Marty Smiley  17:14  
I'd love to see like a news breakdown with him with the whip, like called the whip. You know, it's just sort of crack at his way through Conservative News.

I want to say like a Watchmojo top 10 movie death that made you cry. I'd love to see Christian says listicles 10 ways you know you're a liberal. Maybe a photo gallery to his favourite lumps of call.

Dan Ilic  17:42  
Big Johnny day on YouTube says parenting tips.

Lewis Hobba  17:49  
Yeah, he could go daddy, blogger, plays dog use the phrase George Christensen, Ed Daddy, and the same thing.

Unknown Speaker  17:57  
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Dan Ilic  18:11  
this week's third fear it's safe to say the New South Wales the health minister is a major hazard. Yes, Brad hazard this way caused a bit of a ruckus. Please

Lewis Hobba  18:19  
get out, get my

Dan Ilic  18:21  
podcast, Brad has added this way caused a bit of a ruckus in Sydney Southwest when during the daily COVID-19 briefing, he said this

Unknown Speaker  18:29  
configurable, I think, probably something in the order of 90 95% a very high percentage of people are complying. And we're seeing that in places like Fairfield. They've made such a difference there and brought the numbers down to such a low level. I want to thank the people in Fairfield. But there are other communities, other people from other backgrounds, who don't seem to think that it's necessary to comply with the law and who don't really give great consideration to what they do in terms of its impact on the rest of the community.

Dan Ilic  18:57  
While there are people from other backgrounds other than being from Fairfield one when my dad came out to Australia from Fairfield Hey, Tommy, life was tough back in the face back. That's why he moved to a craft fair mungus what background is Brad has on talking about his

Marty Smiley  19:19  
zoom backgrounds? Is he is he gonna go at PayPal in their offices? Are they choosing the wrong setting? Was that what's going on? I can't imagine who he I mean, why does it he just say it you know libs. Always. You know, we are who we are was just sad. just name it may

Nat Damena  19:42  
be amazing, like going on to Twitter and like saying like the response to this clip and everybody being like, well, what is what does he mean by that? What does he mean? He's being racist? That's what he means by Yeah,

Marty Smiley  19:55  
there was no question from the press gallery. Someone would just ask Sorry, you being racist right now in a press conference about health.

Lewis Hobba  20:07  
You know, talking about French au pairs, it's brown,

Marty Smiley  20:11  
wild allegations and of course the mayor for Canterbury Bankstown said it was a bit of a low blow. He wasn't happy with it either. either. I will say, I did get sent a video. Yeah, and my cousin in the West when this all began, and it was one of our liberties brothers on a horse riding his way through the Main Street. Bankstown. So, look, you know, maybe there is some things that the community is doing, but I don't think we should be targeted or singled out for it.

Lewis Hobba  20:42  
But I honestly think if every one was on a horse, if every Australian I actually think that'd be the like, we're all socially distanced, you can't get close. You wouldn't need a mosque. If every single Australian had a horse. No one can punch a horse if they're riding one. Sir.

Dan Ilic  21:02  
Marty, I didn't watch the Olympics last week, but I didn't see any of our cousins from Lebanon in the dressage. Yeah. There was a bread hazard later on winter, kind of rub salt into the wounds and continue on with his diatribe

Unknown Speaker  21:18  
here in New South Wales with people we're just a small element, small group who have caused these problems if they would just behave themselves and have an element of decency towards the rest of the community. We would sort this problem out.

Dan Ilic  21:31  
There's nothing more decent than writing down the middle of Bankstown on a horse it's totally fine. We're bringing joy to the people I don't know what he's all about. And decency. Why Why is all of this talk about decency? You don't need to like lay down a coat on the on the on a paddle for a lady to cross the road these days. Yes,

Marty Smiley  21:53  
kept a bond that we're trying to have a gangland war out here and there. We've got a lot of restrictions that are getting in the way at the moment. So maybe think about that before you start singing.

Lewis Hobba  22:03  
Honestly, like I know that the New South Wales Police are so crazy about gang warfare, like regardless of how big or small it actually is, but can I just say I feel like if all of the gangs once again, we're on horses. I know I'm harping on about this but I'm saying give give every gang a horse and a lance. Yeah, take it back to the full jousting days. They would not be an Australian member of the public who would not be on the side of the gang like it should be like Australians love and Italian gang bed hydel Lebanese gang, gang, they'd all be mad for a host gang.

Marty Smiley  22:39  
We should get you on the VR team for some of the most prominent gangs. Good Lois. emerged as a good man for the community this

Lewis Hobba  22:51  
protests like people always chanted hos cops, get those animals off those horses. Just be like, put those Lebanese on those horses. get around this. No justice, no peace officers for the Lebanese.

Dan Ilic  23:14  
That is it for rational view tonight. big thank you to activate Mati body smiley, Louis, all that. What would you like to plug plug folks Marty in that way

Marty Smiley  23:21  
out? Yes, please. As I said, we do have a podcast. It's called house warming. We record it right here in this room actually in our share house. And it's about renting and all the woes and miseries that go with it.

Dan Ilic  23:36  
And you've had some really famous people on there you've had like, lots of ex smiley,

Marty Smiley  23:45  
a chap called Daniel Sloss. We had Linda Mariano this week, who revealed that she used to snap still snacks from Louis unbelievable. I

Lewis Hobba  23:53  
just saw that clip a second ago. I'm like, because Linda Mariano if you don't know her is literally the nicest person I've ever met. Like she's so kind and generous and wonderful and interesting and brilliant. And the fact that for the last four years she's been stealing my snacks has changed everything I've known about her and the ones you gotta look out for this one on the horse. Lewis Would you like to plug anything? No, Dan, nothing for me.

Dan Ilic  24:24  
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Dan Ilic  0:00  
Happy Friday, Louis,

Lewis Hobba  0:01  
Happy Friday dad. And I'm glad you told me it was Friday because I have no idea what day it is.

Dan Ilic  0:08  
Well, I there's a, there's a store in Bondi that has the number of days sydneysiders have been locked down, plastered upon it. They take their menus, and they make a giant giant gribbon numbers. So the currently is 41 days we've been in lockdown. 41 days, Louis, and void. It just still feels like day five to me. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  0:27  
well, I've been on a little holiday for the last week. Pretty cool holiday, obviously, just staying at home and going insane. And I was trying to think about what like what I could do to pass the time while I was here. And so I was taking inspiration from the movie Groundhog Day, because that's what we're living in. And I was like, What is he doing Groundhog Day to like, you know, improve his situation in. In the original version, he killed himself, which is not what I've always done, decided to do the thing where he learns to play piano. Remember how he how he plays? So yeah, so what have you learned? What have you learned one song? Yeah, five days ago, I bought a piano and, and I'm learning to play a song on it. And I've never played piano before. I'm terrible at it. And that's how I'm passing my time.

Dan Ilic  1:13  
What's the song you're learning to play?

Lewis Hobba  1:15  
Well, I'm learning to play Billy Joel's Vienna, which if you know the song is really difficult. It's so like, it's not a beginner's pace. It's a stupid, it's a foolish thing that I'm doing. But I won't rest until I learned that song.

Dan Ilic  1:30  
So next week at the end of the show, you're going to play Billy Joel so yeah,

Lewis Hobba  1:34  
well, I'll play you some version of it. They're like play G major. Mike. I'm just making noises. Yep,

Dan Ilic  1:43  
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Dan Ilic  2:04  
So not Hillsong Pastor Brian Houston has been charged with allegedly concealing sexual assault abuse, which plays his way to becoming the Attorney General by the year's end. And hungry Jack's founder says Australia should learn to live with a virus just like they've learned to live with a whopper. And the whole state of Victoria is gone into its sixth lockdown due to an outbreak of smugness. It's the sixth of August 2021. And with more breaches than an airport holiday in this is irrational fear. irrational fear.

Hello, webinar rational fee. I'm your host former Olympic skateboarder Dan Ilic. Let's meet our fee mungus. For tonight, she's casually been a guest on everybody's satirical comedy shows over the last little bit won't be long before she has her own buy shares in Vidya Raja because she's gone to the moon.

Vidya Rajan  3:01  
Everyone, happy luck.

Dan Ilic  3:05  
Happy lockdown Vidya How is Victoria lockdown how's Victoria is lock number six lockdown for you.

Vidya Rajan  3:09  
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Jazz Twemlow  3:27  
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Dan Ilic  3:35  
And it's a man who doesn't have a Netflix deal just yet Louis harbour

Lewis Hobba  3:39  
no Short but sweet and accurate that introduction? Yeah. 100% accurate.

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Dan Ilic  4:22  
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Lewis Hobba  4:47  
cuz I said I've been on a little break from work over the last week. So I've basically read no news over the last week. So I'm so excited to find out from this podcast. What's been happening Fingers crossed. Some good stuff.

Jazz Twemlow  5:00  
This feels like good stuff. If I'm totally honest, there's even less news for you to not read now, so you're gonna save even more time you're not doing stuff. That's great.

Dan Ilic  5:09  
Yeah, that's right. There's at least one brand of news that is is banned from YouTube Vidya. How do you how do you feel about Sky News taking a break from YouTube?

Vidya Rajan  5:18  
Well, I think this is just gonna galvanise the uncles to start their own channels if they aren't. From my experience of uncle. They're about like one bad night away from becoming YouTube radicals.

Lewis Hobba  5:31  
He was crazy. I did sort of have a look at some of the stats about the viewership that they do have online like because we all everyone always says like Sky News. Who cares? no one watches it like this guy. And he's orthodox a joke. You know, 50,000 people something like true, worse than breakfast television numbers like really, like, almost as bad at this podcast, like almost insignificant. But they do do quite well online. So it is it is pretty massive for them. I'm sure they are. I wonder what they'll like whether this will change anything in the future football

Jazz Twemlow  6:01  
really start like an outsider's outsiders channel now. It's not on YouTube. If I count more outside, can you pretend to be anyway,

Lewis Hobba  6:11  
I like to imagine the Sky News will eventually just be a town crier.

Dan Ilic  6:15  
Just what every good uncle should be doing for a job. You're absolutely right, Louis, their numbers are tiny on TV. And they do get millions of hits online and over the last three years have been really pummeling the YouTube channel to boost it to make sure they make the most click Beatty stuff. And Sky News has become like the top of the funnel for laundering misinformation for all of kind of the news corp Empire. So I don't know if we all remember where we were when Sherry marks and told us about the Wu Han lab theory with all the authority of a Facebook post written by divorce dad. I don't know if you you were there. I remember seeing again, you're absolutely not sad, crazy. We

Lewis Hobba  6:51  
still don't have all the evidence on that, Dan.

Dan Ilic  6:55  
But the great thing is, you know, the way they want why she did that was that so other news corp networks can pick up that as saying, well, we didn't say it but look at Sky News in Australia, they've reported this, and so they can point they can point to something wacky and zany that the people in the colonies have done to kind of justified telling the story to their other millions of people. It's It's It's awful.

Jazz Twemlow  7:17  
I love the I love the defence of like, well, we're just putting stuff out there you know, we're providing but it's just not you know, it's like sort of it's someone saying like, Oh, it's weird. My Channel telling people to eat cyanide has been taken down like where's the barrel? And so we don't need balance on that. We don't need balance on that. It's pretty clear.

Vidya Rajan  7:34  
I was back in Perth recently where my family is and one of our other friends slash uncle's has completely gone down that that rabbit hole. Wow. have you dealt with it? Well, I mean, I had to you know bite my tongue and be respectful because of like, you know, hashtag brown family vibes. But um, it was it was actually very disappointing to me because I was like, you know, half these people like white supremacists and you'll literally like they don't they don't like you. You're not on their side. But also it was like Shouldn't you be spending your time like policing your daughter's sexuality or something like what what are you doing? Back to the classic? Yeah, nothing vibrant uncle should be falling for this but I think they are

Jazz Twemlow  8:15  
to become an uncle when you is because it seems like so tied to that specific relation. Like if you fall down like a queue and on hold or something and you don't have any any nephews or nieces? Do they spawn as soon as you become an uncle? If you fall prey to the ideas or is it you're the uncle first and then the idea is it seems so specific to that. But I think

Vidya Rajan  8:39  
now like like Daddy, anyone can

Lewis Hobba  8:43  
just choke me uncle is the new, the new. He's gone full on call.

Dan Ilic  8:51  
I went through some comments about this story on The Daily Mail and I found some great ones. I thought I'd share them with you. This one is from line in the sand from Vero Beach United States. Your poor country is turning into Korea. Hmm. I'm pretty sure you mean North Korea but i think you know, we kind of get the point we kind of

Lewis Hobba  9:08  
like point that Yeah, you guys are doing some great boy bands. You've got a really good mobile phone company. Like congrats

Dan Ilic  9:15  
looks like really turning this thing around. won an Oscar recently. Cut the crap from Sydney Australia says no surprises there. Social media big tech have been booked burning for ages. I know that's not true. Look, we can say what you want about Amazon destroying the book industry but they didn't really do any burning. That's terrible. This is this one here from Louis from Sydney. Anybody just anybody who thinks this is good? It's completely clueless and uninformed. Soon we'll have just one government news source and we'll be told what is happening and it will fit the government narrative. Louie from Sydney has obviously never watched Sky News.

Jazz Twemlow  9:56  
The one news who does feed the government narrative is gone. It's all Got a narrative now? That's great.

Vidya Rajan  10:02  
Has Kevin Rudd reacted to this? Because I know this is like this wakes him up in the morning so,

Dan Ilic  10:08  
yeah, this is this is gonna be this is this is Kevin Rudd bait. This is Kevin Rudd back. This is this is like a tweet. This is a thread for Kevin Rudd, where did I have it? Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  10:17  
I have been following Kevin Rudd some tweets though, because I just curious because it is so easy to let me say this, like at the start of the pandemic, some friends and I were like, Who do you think would be the best Prime Minister that we've ever had right now? Like, who? And we were like Kevin Rudd, like the guy is the guy never sleeps. He says, like obsessed with detail. Like he was a nightmare. And everyone hated him internally, but like, he's the guy you want right now. But he was also like, pretty unlikable and smug by the end. So I was really curious to see what happened when he started to get a little bit of like positive press, and everyone's like, oh, he did the Pfizer jabs and old uncle calves back. And then but he hasn't, he's been really restrained on Twitter and he has not gotten smug and he must be killing it.

Dan Ilic  11:04  
I don't know if you were out and about last weekend, like me, I was driving around trying to find a place to do some exercise, but it's really hard because there were cops everywhere. It was very difficult in Sydney to kind of do anything. Lastly again. And I have to say though, when it comes to lockdown protesters, the Melbourne anti lockdown protesters have they've been doing it a while they're really practice that their whole sovereign citizenship bullshit. Whereas in Sydney, the anti lockdown sovereign citizens haven't done the rating. They haven't kind of learned enough about the Magna Carta to pull off being a sovereign citizen. I've got a clip here. Let me play it for you. This is from a Sydney pro locked down protester who's been pulled over by the police. My under arrest are free to go. And committed events.

Unknown Speaker  11:49  
What's the offence, sorry, what's the offence? unsecure light drunk for the Australian flag, and

Dan Ilic  11:54  
also it is obviously a potential COVID which we're trying to figure out if you want to provide it. I think you're making a comment to say that you haven't committed the offence and we'll accept that. If not, then it's up to you.

Unknown Speaker  12:04  
This is a sad day for Australia, the Anzac guide for this flag. And now you're penalising or attempting to and if you do this, this will go down in history. This is 74,000 people are watching live. Now we're talking about, we're talking about

Dan Ilic  12:22  
it. If you're going to point your camera at a cup, just don't show them the screen. I love that the cost said you've got one person you'd like to have one person watching.

Vidya Rajan  12:37  
I mean, yeah, the enzymes did die for my right to inflate my engagement.

Jazz Twemlow  12:44  
I love how they use that phrase. They fought and died to sleep. So we could do something they've what they didn't fight and die so you could fight to die. That's such an inversion of what they were going

Dan Ilic  12:55  
and also I mean, Tim Schafer makes a good point on YouTube, the anzacs died for England, which is absolutely correct. Let the flag that we fought under was actually

Lewis Hobba  13:04  
and also they were a lot of masks. Because they had a pandemic. Yeah, and there was gas, you know, like they knew the health risks.

Unknown Speaker  13:18  
Gladys berejiklian in New South Wales have been the gold standard when it comes to responding to the virus can you still describe New South Wales as having a gold standard response? This unfortunately is the state of disaster or rational fear.

Dan Ilic  13:33  
This makes second fear Professor Gilbert, the CO creator of the Oxford AstraZeneca jab has a Barbie doll made in her own it's very inspirational. That's pretty amazing stuff. jazzy got a question for you. Are there Barbies that we can use to prepare kids for real world adult life when other Barbies well? I

Jazz Twemlow  13:49  
mean yeah, this this It feels like the pendulum has swung too far the other way I mean, he used to be kind of happy playtime and my little pony and now kids are being told they have to you know invent a world saving vaccine when they become an adult I think it's a bit bit much like week what about you

Dan Ilic  14:04  
know just too much precious

Jazz Twemlow  14:05  
yeah just prepare them for what's coming like you know out of work actress still waiting for the government arts rescue package Barbie like to something that kind of destroys the illusion and creates the you know, break makes them less innocent by the time they're a full full adult or I thought oceanographer who has to clean up discarded Barbie plastic from the ocean Barbie. That's another one. Also called don't throw another Barbie on the shrimp. That was what I thought you could call call it Yeah, just do some some just original kids toys. They'll just prepare kids. For the for the trials and depression of adult life think it's either too innocent or that's just aiming too high. somewhere in the middle would be the would be the sweet spot, I reckon.

Lewis Hobba  14:49  
Yeah, you're so right, because they've gone from unrealistic body expectations. Like you need to have this really thin neck and no genitals to unrealistic career expectations. Yeah, I found a spot chief that

Dan Ilic  15:04  
I like to think of I was given a best new talent Loki Barbie I would be in a different place right now as a kid. Wow. Yeah, you take it a bit on Home and Away

Vidya Rajan  15:11  
wondering what the Bratz dolls are marketing at the moment cuz they've always been like this CD. Yeah the bad ones are they like you know anti Vax bread and yes sausage like bread is what's happening

Jazz Twemlow  15:26  
well that's the other thing is like this this Bob is very pro kind of one side of the story like what seems to be excluding all the people who you know think that the virus isn't a real thing like where's q anon who's we're falling down in internet hole Barbie or you know any of those ones as well. And weird uncle Ken, Ken has become an uncle

Lewis Hobba  15:47  
just in Australia flag.

Vidya Rajan  15:50  
Flashing is fine with his one view. Fear.

Unknown Speaker  15:56  
Now look, I'm a member of a religious community. And my pastor knows what's going on in our church community. Because that's the responsibility of a religious leader to actually to protect the integrity of your faith community,

Dan Ilic  16:10  
a rational fear. This week's third fear greenhouse gases released by New Zealand's dairy industry have hit an all time high according to the latest data, fear mongers finding cows are going to bring us all down how do we fix this video?

Vidya Rajan  16:24  
I do not know. I just always love when the cows come into the global warming debate because I kind of forget like I focus on the call and then and then it's like no other thoughts are a real problem. a delightful way for humanity to go like I feel like taken out by cow farts like some genetic modification they're trying to do to the gut so that the thoughts on as powerful which you know, I'm sure would be popular in many markets. But um, yeah, I have no idea. I'm just just fascinated that these cows will bring us down and for meat and dairy I guess I switched your nutritional use recently. So I feel like I'm you know, not to be worth but I'm doing really well. Sorry. kind of work over something attritional. Yeah, I don't want to work up on you. But yeah.

Lewis Hobba  17:15  
I don't even know what that means. Because she's substitute. Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker  17:20  
Wow.

Dan Ilic  17:21  
Do you do do you make your own cobs? Is this What's going on? No, no, I'm

Vidya Rajan  17:25  
just trying to cut down dairy. You know?

Jazz Twemlow  17:28  
Was it the the president of federated farmers who was saying, you know, telling us to cut agricultural emissions is virtue signalling, and it's like, as if, as if we're trying to like save the planet so we can brag about it like who we virtue signalling to like Pluto? Like who's like with its virtue signalling, if you want to kind of save the planet, the reason you do is to stop the world ending and so like calling a neurosurgeon like virtue signalling for saving people's lives, like he must love himself. It's really not the intent is good, I think. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  18:02  
I'm a big fan of the brain are you

Dan Ilic  18:07  
that jazz, like the big this, the best thing about that quote is like, if you can imagine that quote, in a New Zealand accent, then you don't have to take it seriously. That's what's great about it. So New Zealand to go off on some Vici singling crusade to shut down the agricultural sector to say, hey, we've reduced type of emissions. It hasn't solved anything. Hey, don't even take it seriously. It's great, shall we call us right off,

Jazz Twemlow  18:28  
but you call us a bunch of latte sipping lefties. But by drinking lattes, we're actually helping the industry so to share.

Unknown Speaker  18:38  
government made a list of the Top 20 marginals in order to allocate taxpayer money to projects in coalition seats and the community. Did you see that? I can't hear any other questions. You're shouting at the top of a rational fear what Australians are getting a more Carfax

Dan Ilic  18:54  
we're gonna play. Hang on a second. Now, I'm gonna play a clip from the week if any of you have a comment, yell out, hang on a sec. I'll stop the tape. You chime in and we'll keep rolling. This hang on set comes from the Deputy Prime Minister at question time this week.

Unknown Speaker  19:06  
I like I like going to the movies and I can't I can't read. I can't remember how it is how to do the IV either. But yeah, how is the IV a little bit the Labour Party got out by the advocator? Yeah, great. The great thing.

Jazz Twemlow  19:22  
I mean, there's no joke. There's no joke here beyond like, What a weird movie like what a odd segue and reference just to pull out such a sheet part. Because that's such a long way to go. to like, bring up the water needed.

Vidya Rajan  19:40  
If you say insult, it's a good thing to advocate.

Dan Ilic  19:45  
This is what Albanese should be doing advocating and we don't say enough of Albanese advocate.

Vidya Rajan  19:51  
He could do more.

Lewis Hobba  19:53  
Yeah, it's funny that in, in within this allegedly drunken ramble. All he managed to do was say quietly thinks about how I actually didn't even bother trying to really possibly to try to get to I was just taking you know the fact that he was hammered on Well, you know, yeah allegedly probably habit.

Vidya Rajan  20:10  
Yeah. compose a poem like you know a aviators from with advocator and advocate Alberni sees alliteration. Like, I just feel like maybe he helped his kids with poetry.

Dan Ilic  20:26  
Barnaby Joyce, the bush poet is the deputy prime minister.

Unknown Speaker  20:30  
The great ideas, man, the great ideas, man striped. All right,

Lewis Hobba  20:36  
hang on a second. And he's mixing he's getting all mixed up now, isn't he? He's been to say a few. He's one of those dads who's gone to sleep on a Friday night watching one film, and he's woken up watching the castle. And he's like fire out. Howard Hughes is really slipped one minute he's a millionaire next minute. The fact that airport stealing his house.

Jazz Twemlow  20:56  
I remember a movie was the Terminator, the Terminator. And the musical numbers at the end. were fantastic. Now I think I think you've seen a film or a TV

Dan Ilic  21:06  
show called The West Wing in the press. The President did great governing like alderney's he does great.

Lewis Hobba  21:14  
Up Prime Minister regime is sick, the leader of the opposition on a point of order, hang on a sec. You know, like I'm watching a parliamentarian or what Barnaby Joyce in particular but any politician just be hammered that publicly. He reminds me of those those old posters that people used to buy uni where it had a different spider's web on all the different drugs like all want to see Barnaby every day of the Parliament sitting. I want him to come in and be like, it's masculine today, fellas, and then we all just get to see what happens.

Dan Ilic  21:48  
This is Yeah. Barnaby on Ba ba ba on. Tequila. matavai on vodka. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  21:54  
just barley on MDMA just being like, actually, although I fuckin love you, mate. I really I fucking love you. I love you and I'm sweating but that's just usual I fall in love.

Jazz Twemlow  22:03  
I've seen The Aviator and I can tell you we can all fly right now.

VO  22:09  
I'm supposed to bring out the on weirdness. The I'm weird.

Vidya Rajan  22:13  
What? What is he saying? Um, weirdness, or own weirdness. Like what is he saying?

Dan Ilic  22:22  
Is my tra weirdness is kind of like omnipotent is that the thing?

Vidya Rajan  22:30  
is omnipotent? I'm weird. Oh, God, why

Dan Ilic  22:32  
Omni weirdness? I don't know. why

Vidya Rajan  22:35  
don't why are they all convinced they're gonna coin a catchphrase. Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  22:41  
Yeah, going back through the history of Australian politics, like, how many of them have managed to coin a really useful catchphrase that stuck around

Dan Ilic  22:48  
conga line of sockos was the only one I can read that was that one will always tell statistics data test

Vidya Rajan  22:54  
data Keating thing or

Dan Ilic  22:56  
did I was kidding. Yeah.

Vidya Rajan  22:58  
No kidding. It's not gonna happen.

Jazz Twemlow  23:00  
So why why do you try and counter Barbies fumble and reach for a weird movie by then also just coming up with something that makes possibly even less sense. Like it's it's a I've done what the like an extra layer of an own goal is but it's like I'm goal ception at this point. It's very confusing.

Lewis Hobba  23:21  
It's just a game of soccer where right at the start they always turn around they never face each other.

Dan Ilic  23:28  
Like it would have been just great if he came out and called out the obvious like Barnaby is clearly blowing 1.0 here like that's what you really need to nail it down.

Vidya Rajan  23:36  
Was it confirmed that he was drunk?

Dan Ilic  23:38  
I don't think it I don't think it is ever good

Lewis Hobba  23:42  
It's so weird that there are no cops of breathalysers in Parliament for some reason.

Dan Ilic  23:48  
Yeah, you don't walk far you get the great thing about the bar is that it's a walking distance and a driving

Lewis Hobba  23:53  
well I in before my like last job that I had one of the last jobs I had before I started working in Telly was working as a barman at Victorian Parliament House.

Dan Ilic  24:04  
No way really. I

Lewis Hobba  24:05  
didn't know. Yeah, yeah, I was a Victorian Parliament House barman for about 18 months. And yeah, just watched and I had to sort of like sign an NDA. All this like you know, let's talk about what you say in there.

Dan Ilic  24:17  
It's a sign an NDA, you're breaking an NDA right now I'm

Lewis Hobba  24:20  
allowed to say I worked there I just can't tell you all the people I so fucking each other.

Dan Ilic  24:30  
That's for the Patreon members. point of order. The deputy prime minister has the kulacz no should continue on there. Great.

Lewis Hobba  24:41  
So, so he's hammered. Elbows tried to stop him on a point of order. And the point of order is on weirdness. So like, why would you just stop him? He's like, Oh, it's on. I'm the point of order. I'm going for his own weirdness. And I like that sort of point of order. Back to Barnaby. And the first thing Barnaby says when he gets the issue is like Weird mumble that now I get under that.

Jazz Twemlow  25:05  
Because now he knows he can get away with it if on if on willingness isn't a legitimate cause, well, if I've got free licence to say whatever wacky shit I want, I'm just gonna let loose. It's great.

Unknown Speaker  25:15  
You're never going to get anything constructed by him. But he did have one bright idea before the other the other day. $300 per jab $300 per jab. I think that was just your ID. I think that was just your It

Dan Ilic  25:30  
was so strange. It's like It's like, easy trying to have a goat the idea it's actually probably a legitimately good idea to get to put in there. It's so weird. It's good

Lewis Hobba  25:40  
because so many people think it's a good idea. I like hey, Sue, like, that's a great idea. Heaps of other countries are doing it. It's working all over the place. And he's like, you know, this guy who I just called the advocator, which is obviously a great thing. It's great guys had a great idea. And let me tell you, it was just his idea. Just he's a genius, a genius.

Unknown Speaker  25:59  
Nice resume he sees and I think we might as well leave it there. Whilst he was asked about alternative policies they need to be alternatives to the issues laid out in the question.

Dan Ilic  26:11  
I don't know what the question was. That is it for our show. Tonight. big thank you to all of our fear mongers Vidya Rajon jazz twemlow Louis harbour and myself Dan knowledge Do you guys have any plug vicentina plug anything I

Vidya Rajan  26:26  
have nothing to plug follow me on Twitter for deranged lockdown takes

Dan Ilic  26:32  
a very good time. Vidya is exemplary on Twitter for deranged lockdown to eggs. I've been living off them for the last little bit. Jazz twemlow Do you really think

Jazz Twemlow  26:41  
I've got the Yeah, the show the moth effect. Episode Two is coming out. Tomorrow, Friday at 11 episode ones already? Yeah, check that out too. It's very deep and weird.

Dan Ilic  26:54  
Louis, do you really have to do anything to play?

Lewis Hobba  26:56  
No dad, nothing at all. If anyone has any tips on how to play piano very quickly, very well. Hit me up play slide into my DMS on Instagram. But otherwise no, I'm pretty clear.

Dan Ilic  27:07  
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