Square Peg Round Whole – Détails, épisodes et analyse

In this episode Lou discussed PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance) with Dr Theresa Kidd and Dr Miriam Kirby.  What is PDA?  Is it a real diagnosis?  Comparing PDA to ODD.  Helping families to access the right support if they suspect PDA in their child or have had a recent diagnosis.  The discussion then moves to Collaborative Proactive Solutions (CPS) and how this model works for PDAers, how educators are benefiting from CPS in schools when working with PDA students as well as the upcoming visit to WA by Dr Ross Greene!

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Support materials mentioned by Theresa and Miriam:

1. The Kidd Clinic website: https://www.kiddclinic.com.au/

Dr Kidd is bringing Dr Ross Greene to WA in September!  Join the mailing list to hear more about this and make sure you don't miss Ross's visit and training!

2. PDA Society in the UK website: https://www.pdasociety.org.uk/

3. Kristy Forbes Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/inTunePathways

4. Book: "The Family Experience of PDA" by Eliza Fricker https://www.amazon.com.au/Family-Experience-PDA-Illustrated-Pathological/dp/1787756777/ref=asc_df_1787756777/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=463938214949&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5248029444617133627&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071774&hvtargid=pla-1330963301971&psc=1

5. Book: "Pretty Darn Awesome" by Lauren O'Grady https://www.amazon.com.au/Pretty-Darn-Awesome-Understanding-Pathological/dp/B08N1N9WDQ

6. Book: "Collaborative Approaches to Learning for Pupils with PDA: Strategies for Education Professional" by Ruth Fidler and Phil Christie https://www.amazon.com.au/Collaborative-Approaches-Learning-Pupils-Professionals/dp/1785920170

7. The Kidd Centre webinars for teachers by Jonelle Fraser: https://www.kiddclinic.com.au/professional

This is the episode where Lou announces her recent diagnosis of terminal lung cancer but the focus of this episode is a discussion between Lou and parent Advocate, Symone Wheatley-Hey.  Symone discusses her struggles with the WA education system and the efforts of the WA Square Peg Round Whole group to engage with Education Minister, Sue Ellery.

Please sign and share this petition to bring Collaborative Proactive Solutions to Australian Schools!
https://www.change.org/CPSinAustralianschools
Please write to Education Minister, Sarah Mitchell and request that CPS (Collaborative Proactive Solutions) be introduced to NSW schools: office@mitchell.minister.nsw.gov.au

Call to Action: Here's the contact details so that you can write to Minister Sue Ellery:
Address:

12th Floor, Dumas House, 2 Havelock Street, WEST PERTH WA 6005

Telephone:

61 8 6552 5700

Fax:

61 8 6552 5701

Email:

Minister.Ellery@dpc.wa.gov.au

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1. Western Australian joint Disability Royal Commission submission:  HAVE YOUR SAY ANONYMOUSLY  https://freesuggestionbox.com/pub/awjmhmf?fbclid=IwAR0CDdCcFRc-loHJLlhYz7FtsWo6iyBRk44cWHfyDwOzbWV4NTACVE0jb08

2. Template to write to your local MP (found on WA Facebook group):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1198774187604032/permalink/1206759080138876

3. Legislative Council questions on notice: https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Hansard/hansard.nsf/0/79569FAF37D0AEFD482588D80029EC16/$File/G41%20S1%2020221011%20All.pdf?

If you think you can help the Future Schools Alliance with a financial donation, to create a new education system that will be able to teach our Square Pegs, please go to this link and donate now!

https://www.mycause.com.au/p/281370/lets-build-a-new-model-of-schooling?fbclid=IwAR0OUiQWRHjSdhgw4cDbEny3ybz9Cwhi2vRaB98D9sDFbo-Q2ENFpwALYj0

Lou and Peter Hutton energetically discuss Australian education and everything that must change!  Peter Hutton is a rebel with a cause and he passionately believes in a better education system for this country.  Rather than wait for that to happen, which he calls the "slow burn", he has decided he and his team at The Future Schools Alliance will just make it happen.  Peter says teachers should learn to be comfortable "dancing in the grey".  Challenge the status quo and find better ways to do things.  This is an episode not to be missed.  If you want motivation for change, I give you Peter Hutton!

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Resources discussed during this episode:

The Future Schools Alliance website
https://futureschools.education/

Peter Hutton's TED Talk - What if students controlled their own learning?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQ1tyAbgpA

Professor Yong Zhao
http://zhaolearning.com/

Book: "Let the Children Play" by Prof Parsi Sahlberg
https://www.booktopia.com.au/let-the-children-play-pasi-sahlberg/book/9780190930967.html?source=pla&gclid=CjwKCAjwuYWSBhByEiwAKd_n_m78J7krUjgIaHNNeG8of24wCQUE6qfy9lLmUhQubRpaQMglkgamQxoCvKEQAvD_BwE

Prof Parsi Sahlberg at UNSW Gonski Institute
https://www.gie.unsw.edu.au/people/professor-pasi-sahlberg

Lou and Ash Kuchel will be speaking at the "My Spirited Child" Victoria ADHD Conference and what better way to discuss the excitement than to invite the founder and organiser, Rebecca Perkins on to the podcast!

In this episode, Lou chats to Rebecca about her journey parenting and leading the way in education of the broader community about ADHD and other neurodivergences.  Rebecca's accomplishments are so impressive and she is another woman on a mission to educate, smash stigma and draw on the strengths of neurodivergence in everything that she does.

Lou and Rebecca also discuss the upcoming Victorian ADHD Conference where Lou has been asked along as a guest speaker.  They discuss the emphasis of these conferences and why Rebecca feels that this Victorian conference will be the best one yet!

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Resources discussed during this episode:

The Victorian ADHD Conference, 2nd April, 2022
https://www.myspecialchildonline.com/victorian-adhd-conference-speakers/

My Spirited Child
https://www.myspiritedchild.com/

The National PEKE Centres
https://www.pekecentre.com.au/

Lou interviews Sarah Humphreys from Inclusive Schools Australia.  Sarah has an uncanny way of just making inclusive education to be so black and white and easy to implement.  She would argue, that's because it is!   She talks about the "50 Shades of Grey" around non-inclusion and how to avoid that. Sarah accurately and simply describes Universal Design for Learning and how universally designing anything will benefit the whole population.  Sarah also explains the problem with alternative curriculums like LifeSkills in NSW and Ables in Victoria.  Lots of practical advice and reassurance that us advocating for inclusion is an aspiration that we should hold on to tightly.

You can experience Sarah's wisdom at the upcoming Illume Australian Inclusive Schooling Conference on 12th and 13th of May.
Register here:  https://www.inclusiveschoolingconference.com.au/#:~:text=ABOUT,and%20engage%20students%20with%20disabilities.

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Resources discussed during this episode:

Inclusive Schools Australia website
https://inclusiveschools.com.au/

Illume Australian Inclusive Schooling Conference on 12th and 13th of May 2022:
https://www.inclusiveschoolingconference.com.au/#:~:text=ABOUT,and%20engage%20students%20with%20disabilities.

Family Advocacy website with information about P and C Subcommittees:
https://www.family-advocacy.com/events/running-a-p-and-c-subcommittee-afternoon/

For parents:
https://udl-irn.org/

For teachers:
https://www.cast.org/

In this episode, Lou an Mel discuss Mel's early life and how her passion that led to a PhD in medieval studies soon changed to a brand new world of Autism once her children were born and  four members of the family were identified as Autistic.  The discussion continues as Mel shares her experiences from behaviourism to neurodiversity affirming approaches, peaceful parenting, home schooling and the birth of the organisation she founded, Reframing Autism.  Mel is now studying a second PhD but this time in the field of parenting and Autism.  She is a passionate, knowledgeable and articulate advocate for our community and the chat is long but extremely diverse and helpful for all listeners.

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Resources discussed during this episode:

Reframing Autism website:
https://reframingautism.org.au/

Reframing Austim's Certificate in Autistic Well-being:
https://reframingautism.org.au/certificate-in-autistic-wellbeing-for-autistics/

"The Real Experts" by Michelle Swan
https://www.amazon.com/Real-Experts-Readings-Autistic-Children/dp/0986183563/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486679563&sr=8-1&keywords=the+real+experts+readings+for+parents+of+autistic+children

Beyond Behaviours by Mona Delahooke

Raising Human Beings by Dr Ross Greene
The Explosive Child by Dr Ross Greene

"Peaceful Parenting" by LR Knost
http://www.littleheartsbooks.com/tag/peaceful-parenting/

Damian Milton's "Double Empathy" concept as explained on the Reframing Autism website:
https://reframingautism.org.au/miltons-double-empathy-problem-a-summary-for-non-academics/

Unconditional Parenting by Alfie Kohn:
https://www.booktopia.com.au/unconditional-parenting-alfie-kohn/book/9780743487481.html?gclid=CjwKCAiA9tyQBhAIEiwA6tdCrODLcNP-IA3jV_ous40T1jll1gA1E5cxxPLgSxekKZjXemKq8QbBOhoC7MYQAvD_BwE

Dan Seigal and Tina Bryson book:
"The Whole Brain Child"
https://www.blinkist.com/en/nc/books/the-whole-brain-child-en/overview?utm_source=gsn&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=16085107647&utm_content=132673439013&utm_term=__580113448035_c_dsa-1578456356062_CjwKCAiA9tyQBhAIEiwA6tdCrOLEipoRcjhJ_o81_ni60NG3hsR2Uv2LtRjoWeB-A-uNzrZQAFgRkBoC_AwQAvD_BwE&gclid=CjwKCAiA9tyQBhAIEiwA6tdCrOLEipoRcjhJ_o81_ni60NG3hsR2Uv2LtRjoWeB-A-uNzrZQAFgRkBoC_AwQAvD_BwE

Yenn Purkis
http://www.jeanettepurkis.com/
https://www.facebook.com/jeanette.purkis.9

Dr Wenn Lawson
http://www.buildsomethingpositive.com/wenn/

With a neurodivergent lens over the whole conversation, Paul and Lou explore the risk taking behaviour of our teens.  They discuss alcohol, weed, vaping and cocaine in detail and then go on to focus on the Year 9s, sleep overs and the inevitable driving risks and drug testing that can get, especially those taking ADHD medications in hot water.  Finally they finish with an often neglected topic around drug interactions, especially relevant to youth taking ADHD medications, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.  It's a very long episode but every word is an eye opener.

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Resources discussed during this episode:

DARTA website: https://darta.net.au/

DARTA Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=drug%20and%20alcohol%20research%20and%20training%20australia%20(darta)

Paul's blog on medication interactions: 
http://doingdrugs-darta.blogspot.com/

Youtube video on mobile drug testing NSW: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr4DB9xMU0c

Today is a discussion between the two Lous!!  Lou Kuchel speaks to Lou Brown about ADHD.  When Lou B was a child, she was misunderstood.  That led to shame and a poor self image.  After discovering her son was ADHD, she realised she's also neurodivergent and that led to a re-birth of sorts.  Lou realised that everything she had experienced in her earlier years, now has an explanation.  The world opened up and Lou became an ADHD coach and is now a PhD candidate!  More doors have opened and Lou is a consumer advisor at Deakin University, on the board at AADPA and her parenting approach is set for validation that will bring hope and improve outcomes for many neurodivergent families in the future. 

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Resources discussed during this episode:

Lou's website:
https://thrivingwithadhd.com.au/?fbclid=IwAR0RIZLtd-gMXuVjdUB04D41knkLrH4ULHELCGbxGz563cc7INJJ8MjuQgM

Lou's Teacher Guide - this can be printed and shared with primary schools when advocating for students with ADHD:
https://thrivingwithadhd.com.au/product/adhd-in-primary-school-product/?fbclid=IwAR0Yo8QpLxrIRRDr3RV5qWRa5ASXcQwkzerqXZUuJeAeAiRRqwBSUiyKJaQ

More parent resources:
https://thrivingwithadhd.com.au/parental-resources/?fbclid=IwAR26U9g7kG1rDlEP_wslEJiGJSJ7Qo2MZFDKC4uCswGL0X7Y-ElMKHORDYo

AADPA website and Language guide (endorsed by PAAA):
https://aadpa.com.au/talking-about-adhd/?fbclid=IwAR3itqTthAVWewhPjCqaIMAW8vYwKJl_M3JsPIwkqzvWBPxDb3bRPOV16b4

In this final episode for the 2021 season, Lou and Will discuss Will's lived experience as a young neurodivergent person living with Dyslexia and probable ADHD.  Will explains the rollercoaster ride of his younger years and the experience of being misunderstood by everyone around him, struggling with drugs and alcohol and finding his strengths.  It's a discussion of self-discovery and self acceptance.  Will is also super creative and clever and has founded a new organisation called The Neurodiversity Academy, aiming to work with organisations and individuals to achieve "neuroinclusion for the neurodistinct".

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Resources discussed during this episode: 
1.  The Neurodiversity Academy - https://www.neurodiversityacademy.com/

2. Dr Nancy Doyle - Forbes Magazine:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/drnancydoyle/?sh=7f35993017ca

3.  Dr Nancy Doyle - The Genius Within
https://www.geniuswithin.org/our-team/dr-nancy-doyle/

4. Universal Music - Creative Differences
https://umusic.co.uk/creative-differences

5. Dr Helen Taylor
https://youtu.be/Iv29jKg-zek

This is a long episode but it is well worth it and packed with a huge amount of resources and helpful and practical advice and information.  There's quite a few light bulb moments where Lou connects the dots such as a realisation that you can't apply Collaborative Proactive Solutions if you don't have a trusting relationship with the child first.  Christina Keeble is a complex and authentic neurodivergent educator.  She has a deep understanding from personal experience, parenting experience, teaching and psychology.  Not only does she share her perspective, she offers so much practical and helpful advice that can be applied in our families immediately.  Lou and Christina explore self-identity, authenticity, neurodiversity affirming practices over ABA, interoception and co-regulation and more...

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Resources discussed during this episode:

Christina's business website:
https://christinakeeble.com/

South Australian Dept of Education - Interoception information:
https://www.education.sa.gov.au/schools-and-educators/curriculum-and-teaching/curriculum-programs/applying-interoception-skills-classroom

Autism Goals website:
https://autismgoals.com.au/

Autism Goals Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/Familiesandautism

The 5Cs that Christina mentioned in the episode:
https://christinakeeble.com/free-downloads/

The PEKE Centre website:
https://www.pekecentre.com.au/

The Autistic Realm Australia Facebook group:
https://www.facebook.com/autisticrealm

Reframing Autism website:
https://reframingautism.org.au/

Dr Mona Delahooke website:
https://monadelahooke.com/

Dr Ross Greene website:
https://drrossgreene.com/

Dr Stuart Shanker and Self-reg website:
https://self-reg.ca/

Dr Stephen Porges and Polyvagal theory:
https://integratedlistening.com/ssp-safe-sound-protocol/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=brand%20-%20nam%20-%20search%20-%20all%20devices&utm_term=stephen%20porges%20ssp&gclid=Cj0KCQiA15yNBhDTARIsAGnwe0VhZLBoVFWn9pSf-ofpfGTnBFKOuFia2_FezvijD_ZFr939jQYTtIwaAs7XEALw_wcB