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EP 238: The Body Innate – Yin Warriorship, Communal Eros, and Leading Atmospheres with Jaye Marolla
Épisode 238
lundi 2 mars 2026 • Durée 01:29:20
In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Jaye Marolla, a bodyworker, martial artist, Qigong teacher, and founder of The Body Innate and the Yin Dojo in Santa Fe, New Mexico. They explore the integration of martial arts, bodywork, and Qigong as a path of healing and sovereignty, and what Jaye calls "yin warriorship:" a reclamation of the warrior archetype rooted in surrender, Eros, and facing one's own mortality rather than competition or heroism. They discuss how Jaye came to open her home as a dojo, the ancient tradition of merging practice space with living space, and the energetic responsibility that requires. The conversation moves through the role of Eros and sexuality in training spaces, the difference between safety and emergence, the trauma frame versus a vitality frame, and what it means to lead atmospheres rather than follow scripts. They also explore queerness as a state of questioning, the tension between sovereignty and individualism, and the concept of couples dojos as somatic spaces for partnership.
Bio
Jaye Marolla is a bodyworker, martial artist, and Qigong practitioner based in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where she runs the Yin Dojo. She is the founder of The Body Innate and has trained extensively in multiple martial arts traditions including Aikido and Jiu Jitsu, as well as Thai bodywork, which she studied for three years with a master teacher in Thailand. A former Division 1 basketball player, Jaye integrates decades of physical training with Taoist philosophy, somatic practice, and community-based teaching. Her work sits at the intersection of yin warriorship, Eros, and embodied leadership, and she teaches martial arts, Qigong, bodywork, and leadership through emergent, atmosphere-based practice. She also leads couples dojos and collaborates with practitioners including Stephen Jackson on retreats exploring death, embodiment, and communal practice.
What She Shares:
– How the Yin Dojo came to be in her home in Santa Fe
– The ancient tradition of integrating bodywork and martial arts under one roof
– Yin warriorship as a response to cultural chaos and the call of the body
– Vitality and animism versus the pathological medicine frame
– The role of Eros, eroticism, and sexuality in training spaces
– Her journey from D1 basketball to Thai bodywork to martial arts teaching
– Couples dojos as somatic, embodied spaces for partnership
– Queerness as a state of questioning and healthy boundary transgression
What You'll Hear:
– Kimberly's introduction to Jaye's work and their collaboration at Ghost Ranch
– Creating a home-based dojo and the energetic configuration of practice, treatment, and living space
– The interplay of healing and combat knowledge across traditions
– Why body workers need to train their own bodies
– Sovereignty versus taking on others' energy in bodywork
– Transitioning from an all-women's dojo to an all-gender space
– The "toxic masculinity" conversation and the abandonment of the masculine
– Leadership as emergent, atmosphere-based, and rooted in physical training
– The creation of atmospheres: moving away from comparative gaze toward cooperative gaze
– Warriorship as a dying art rooted in death awareness, not competition
– Training for three years in Thailand and the gray space of becoming a practitioner
– The necessity of being in the flesh in a technological age
– Eros in training spaces: the puritanical bind of encouraging then discouraging the body's response
– Self-modulation and erotic sovereignty as a resource
– Sovereignty versus individualism: belonging and exile
– The trauma orientation as a cultural and capitalist hindrance
– Simple ceremony and self-reverent practice
– Yin and Yang: growing capacity in both simultaneously
– Emergent teaching versus deterministic scripts in group spaces
– Safety as a placation of wildness versus supportive disorientation
– Queerness as living off the main path and transgressing boundaries healthily
– What "the layers between" means: space, Yin, and limitless possibility
– Couples dojos: somatic conversations beyond the sexual context
Resources
Business: The Body Innate
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Website: https://www.thebodyinnate.com/
IG: @thebodyinnate
EP 237: "Sage-escence" – The Natural Menopause Movement, Shamanic Midwifery, and Birthing the Wise Woman with Jane Hardwicke Collings
Épisode 237
dimanche 25 janvier 2026 • Durée 01:15:34
In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Jane Hardwicke Collings, a post-menopausal grandmother, former midwife, and founder of the School of Shamanic Womancraft. They explore how the lessons learned from the natural childbirth movement must now be applied to menopause, discussing what Jane calls "sage-escence," the becoming of the wise woman. Jane shares her journey from hospital nurse to home birth midwife, how her midwifery awakened her to the patriarchy's medicalization of women's bodies, and why she sees a natural menopause movement emerging. They dive deep into the connections between all rites of passage, from menstruation to birth to menopause, and examine how unresolved trauma surfaces during these transitions. The conversation also explores sexuality and the erotic through life's seasons, the impact of childhood trauma on menopausal symptoms, body shame, aging, and the cultural pressure toward hormone therapy versus embracing natural processes.
Bio
Jane Hardwicke Collings is a post-menopausal grandmother, mother of a blended family with four adult children and four grandchildren. A former Registered Nurse who worked in Paediatric Intensive Care Units and Women's Operating Theatres, she became a midwife at 26 and left the hospital system so as not to be complicit with institutionalized acts of abuse and violence on women and babies masquerading as safety. She was a homebirth midwife for 30 years in city and rural areas of Australia.
Jane carries the lineage of Shamanic Midwifery from her teacher Jeannine Parvati Baker and created the School of Shamanic Womancraft in 2009, an international Women's Mystery School. She travels internationally giving workshops on the wisdom of cycles, the spiritual practice of menstruation, sacred dimensions of pregnancy, birth, and menopause, and reclaiming women's rites of passage. She also offers teacher training, books, and e-courses.
Jane is a co-creator of Hygieia Health, a not-for-profit with a mission to create freestanding birth centers and fund homebirth. She lives in the bush on the edge of a forest in New South Wales, Australia, committed to walking her talk and treading lightly on the earth. She sees herself as an Agent of the Goddess, a Priestess at the altars of transformation.
EP 229: Autism Spectrum Disorder, Regenerative Agriculture, and Community Care
jeudi 26 juin 2025 • Durée 52:50
In this episode, Kimberly and Alex discuss his extensive background in working with children on the Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). He spent much of those years taking a non-traditional approach from just behavioral to prioritizing fun and community. This work led him to keenly understanding the importance of local agriculture, nutrition, and the gut-brain connection, and eventually he began working as an animal butcher and supporting his wife's work, The Wild Nutritionist. Aspects of their discussion are connected through the thread of the importance of holistic care for ASD individuals as well as local farming, nutrition, and the gut-brain connection.
Bio
Alex Johnson is a father, butcher, former autism specialist, husband of Kate Pope, The Wild Nutritionist, and long-term friend of Kimberly's. His background in theater studies, and then psychology, led him to working with children on the Autism Spectrum Disorder for over a decade. Understanding the needs of this population then helped him transition to regenerative agriculture and animal butchery.
WhatHe Shares:
–Working with children on the Autism Spectrum Disorder
–How and why ASD has changed in recent years
–Harms and limitations of diagnoses and labels
–Transitioning to regenerative agriculture and butchery
–Prioritizing community through local farming
What You'll Hear:
–How Alex began working with kids
–Studied theater and psychology
–Role play and autism in 2010
–How insurance changed autism
–In home and in community teaching to kids with ASD
EP 139: Attachment Theory, Interdependence, and Rewiring from Threat to Love with Dr. Stan Tatkin
vendredi 24 septembre 2021 • Durée 54:21
In this episode, Kimberly and Stan discuss attachment theory, styles of learned attachment, and ways to maintain healthy relationships. They discuss attachment theory regarding parent-child relationships as well as romantic partners, differences between codependence and interdependent relationships, and how to work towards mutually beneficial relationships even during conflict. Tatkin believes that with proper understanding and/or coaching, all humans can sustain loving and beneficial relationships despite conflict.
Bio
Stan Tatkin, PsyD, MFT, is a clinician, researcher, teacher, and developer of A Psychobiological Approach to Couple Therapy®. Tatkin has written many books based on his attachment and relationship work such as Wired for Love and most recently Baby Bomb. Tatkin created the PACT Institute in 2010 with his wife, Tracey Boldemann-Tatkin, PhD, to train mental health professionals to think and work through a psychobiological lens in their clinical practice.
What He Shares:
--Definition of Attachment theory
--Attachment styles (Islands, Waves, and Anchors)
--Co-Dependence vs. Interdependence
--Single and step parenting
--Handling conflict
What You'll Hear:
--Attachment theory is felt sense of safety and security of infant and primary caregiver
--Secure and insecure reactions of infant, child, adult
--Island, Wave, and Anchors as learned attachment behaviors
--Island preoccupied with independence and autonomy
--Wave encouraged to stay dependent
--Co-dependence as one-way street
EP 138: Cultish - The Language of Fanaticism with Amanda Montell
Épisode 138
samedi 18 septembre 2021 • Durée 47:09
In this episode, Kimberly and Amanda discuss language, cultism, and community. Amanda explains aspects of her book "Cultish" to describe how religious principles still permeate much of our secular culture, how groups such as fitness brands and start-ups use language similar to cults, and how we can give ourselves and each other more flexibility in how we use language, identify with groups, and hold disagreements. Ultimately, they discuss how language is based on context, evolves over time, and requires a genuine understanding as we use it to communicate with each other.
Bio
Amanda Montell is a writer, language scholar, and podcast host from Baltimore. She is the author of two critically acclaimed books: Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism, an indie bestseller about the language of "cults" from Scientology to SoulCycle and Wordslut: A Feminist Guide to Taking Back the English Language. Amanda's books have earned praise from TheNew York Times, The Washington Post,The Atlantic, Time Magazine, Harper's Bazaar, and KirkusReviews, among others, and Amanda is currently developing for television with FX Studios, serving as creator, writer, and executive producer. Amanda is also the creator and co-host of the comedy-cult podcast, . As a reporter and essayist, Amanda's writing has been featured in , , and , where she formerly served as the Features & Beauty Editor. She holds a degree in linguistics from NYU and lives in Los Angeles with her partner, plants, and pets.
EP 137: Mothering Teens and Pre-teens, Intergenerational Healing, and Badass Girls with Eliza Reynolds
Épisode 137
jeudi 9 septembre 2021 • Durée 57:19
In this episode, Kimberly and Eliza discuss intergenerational relationships, mother-daughter healing, and navigating parent-child dynamics during the preteen and teenage years in order to cultivate more conscious, self-loving, and resilient children. Eliza discusses how she began this work, alongside her mother, Sil Reynolds, as a teenager. They discuss the need for parents to have intergenerational support while parenting and for teens, holding space for rapid developmental changes and intensity through the teen years, and pushing back on negative cultural stereotypes of preteens and teens in order to raise more empowered youth.
Bio
Eliza Reynolds is a best-selling author, speaker, and professional mentor. She's the coauthor, with her mom, Sil, of Mothering and Daughtering: Keeping Your Bond Strong Through the Teen Years. For almost 15 years, Eliza has been facilitating sold-out workshops for thousands of mothers and their preteen and teen daughters, and now offers online and in-person mentorship programs teaching emotional intelligence, embodiment, body literacy, and more for big-hearted preteen and teen girls at Badass Girls.
What They Share
--Need for intergenerational support for parents and children
--How cultural stereotypes of teen girls impact them
--Commonalities between teens and toddlers development
--Mature mentorship
--Healthy resistance and how to hold space for it from preteens and teens
What You'll Hear
--Describes writing book and teaching with mother at 15
--"Full body yes" to teach and facilitate
--Dominant culture "mom bashing" from teens and culture
--Sil always looking for mentors, intergenerational village for Eliza
EP 136: Spirit Work, Conspiracies, Elderhood and Grief with Stephen Jenkinson, Part Two
Épisode 136
samedi 4 septembre 2021 • Durée 01:26:48
In the second of two episodes, Kimberly and Stephen discuss the roles of parents, grandparents and godparents in raising children. They attend to what might be some of the consequence of this gross fracturing of a sense of commons in the surge of conspiracy theories. And they wander through the territory of elderhood, grief, and awakening in a hope-free world. What You'll Here:
—The role of parenting
—Grandparenting is not elder hood
—Elderhood or grandparenting or godparenting
—Opioids- the longing after beauty- "anesthetic"
—Seeking not after approval but for blessing
—If you choose to choose the world or you, give them to the world
—Parents are in charge of custodial duties- the janitors
—Closeness and intimacy belies the suspicion of distance
—What was everyone on about before there was a vaccine
—Euthanasia is consistent with death-phobia
—A personal truth? and the I-focus
—Conception of God, the serenity prayer
—Crisis- the imagined possibilities are frayed and are no more
—There's a clarity comes with crisis that obliges you that's not available when you are feeling fine
—Grief and brokenheartedness in a culture that believes in wholeness only
—Fundamental addiction to self-determination
—Consequence of this gross fracturing of a sense of commons will last far longer than the conspiracy itself
—Heartbreak is how you cleanse yourself of prejudices, you do not rid yourself of them
—Origin of our capacity for gratitude
EP 135: Spirit Work, Conspiracies, Elderhood and Grief with Stephen Jenkinson, Part One
Épisode 135
vendredi 3 septembre 2021 • Durée 01:16:13
In this first of two episodes, Kimberly and Stephen look at what happens when we normalize these uniquely troubled times, as well as how we got here. Together they wonder about grief, parenting, elderhood, me-first culture and conspiracies in times of crisis. Stephen places emphasis on how relationship to history informs our present circumstance and meaning making. What do we gain by normalizing times such as these? Where does health come from? How do we reckon with our me-first world in a time so desperate for community and culture?
What You'll Hear
--Plague is not an easy thing to normalize, 1919 is the last time
--Spirit work is a response to troubles of the times, not freedom from the troubles of the times
--How wisdom is distinguished from prejudice
--Our spirit work is our response to the world, not our feeling tone about the world
--A puritan about your own fundamentalism
--The last thing a conspiracy theorist does is imagine that their conspiracy is conspiratorial
--Mania of challenging everything rarely gets challenged
--Culture orchestrated around appealing to and buying and selling to 17 year olds- inherited from the 60s
--What do our kids do with what we've given to them
--Etymology of the word Fate- from the Latin word from the verb "to speak" What the Gods had said."
--Now that the Gods have spoken, what shall you do- what are the obligations?
--Origin of the concept of "bucket list"
--Skillfulness or ability to be good, "good" is not a temperature of your character or indwelling possession
--Where does your health come from?
EP 134: Discovering Your True Genius, Embracing All Emotions, and The Upper Limit Problem with Gay Hendricks
Épisode 134
jeudi 26 août 2021 • Durée 01:02:18
In this episode, Kimberly and Gay discuss his revolutionary term "upper limit problem," which describes when a person's capacity for feeling positive emotions is immediately followed by conflict or a dip. They also discuss how Gay discovered this phenomena and his life's work regarding relationship building, aligning oneself with pure consciousness, and his passion for helping people discover their "genius" or true creativity. Gay discusses his experience being a thought leader of transformational psychology early in academia and mainstream culture and his thoughts on being an elder in today's society.
Gay Hendricks is a psychologist, author of forty books (including "The Big Leap" and "Conscious Loving"), teacher, and therapist on all things regarding relationships and body-mind transformation. He received his PhD from Stanford University in Counseling Psychology and taught for twenty years at University of Colorado. With his wife, Dr. Kathleen Hendricks, he founded The Hendricks Institute where they coach teachers and conduct workshops on relationships and wellness. They have been featured in a number of radio and television shows as well as many conferences and seminars.
What He Shares:
--Gay's personal awakening in mid 20s
--The Upper Limit Problem
--The Genius Zone
--Embracing all emotions and opening towards pure consciousness
--Relationships for mutual healing
--Discovering your true genius and creativity
What You'll Hear:
--Describes beginning of academic career from PhD studies to professorship
EP 133: Lymph & the Nervous System - Massage as Nourishing Touch for Health with Lisa Levitt Gainsley
Épisode 133
dimanche 15 août 2021 • Durée 49:24
In this episode, Kimberly and Lisa discuss the lymph system and all its facets. Lisa describes what the lymph system is, what lymph drainage massage is and feels like, and the benefits of lymph massage for total well-being. They also discuss the importance of communication and safety in bodywork and how to perform self-massage on your lymph system. Kimberly and Lisa are going to host an upcoming workshop on lymph massage and listeners can check out Lisa's new book, "The Book of Lymph" and website below for more resources.
Bio
Lisa Levitt Gainsley is a Certified Lymphedema Therapist, Manual Lymphatic Drainage practitioner, Author, Educator, and Speaker. Her work has appeared in GOOP, ELLE, The Hollywood Reporter, Healthline and more. She has worked at UCLA Medical Center and been in private practice for 20 years. She holds a double certification in Lymphedema Therapy and is a member of the Lymphatic Education & Research Network (LE&RN) and National Lymphedema Network (NLN). Lisa leads workshops across the country and has pioneered the field of Lymphatic self-massage and just published her book "The Lymphatic Message."
What She Shares:
--What is the lymph system?
--Lymph drainage massage
--Health benefits of lymph massage
--Importance of communication in bodywork
What You'll Hear
--Lymphatic system is circulatory system, part of immune system
--Role picks up waste products of body and absorbs waste
--Lymph hard to see and dissect making it slow to scientific discourse
--Improve lymphatic health to quell inflammation and affect mood and nervous system
--Understanding lymph system can unlock cures possibly to certain diseases such as MS, cancer, etc.
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--How religious principles still exist in secular culture
--Aspects of cults that can be harmless and harmful
--How social media is cultish
--Finding space in the grey areas
What You'll Hea:r
--American protestant principles infiltrates culture through finding meaning, community, transformation
--Fitness brands like SoulCycle and CrossFit act as religions in a secular society
--Cult definitions vary despite sensationalized media portrayals
--Most cults have not been linked to criminal activity
--Everyone is susceptible to cultish influence
--Language clues us to cultish groups or communities
--Protestant ethic deeply embedded in ideas of meritocracy and cleansing self of badness found in culture
--Many cults of 60s and 70s use Evangelical concepts appropriated with Eastern religious language
--Obsession with word art is similar to Protestant shift from images to text
--Buzz words from psychology, feminist politics, etc. used as codes in various communities
--"Thought terminating cliches" as expressions that are easily remembered and shut down any questioning
--Semantic stop-signs in conspiritualist circles
--Intuition vs. facts
--Admitting when we're wrong and overwhelmed by information
--No spaces culturally exist for grey areas of life
--Evolving language and incredibly challenging time of reckoning what language feels inclusive and accurate
--Cults aren't always necessarily as extreme as Jonestown but can be exploitative, abusive, and trauma-inducing
--Mainstream groups that function as certain dangers and exploitation
--"Cult" definition is varied and nuanced
--Language is dependent on context
--Social media cultivating cultism in ourselves, our interests, our beliefs, etc.
--Being able to recognize our full humanity outside of groups and communities
Resources
Website: http://amandamontell.com/
IG: @amanda_montell
--Cultural degradation of teenage girls
--Not normalizing parents feeling overwhelmed and isolated
--False, harmful narrative that teen parenting is only hardship
--Preteens and teens need intergenerational village of support
--Parents can't bridge intergenerational gap with teens without the village
--Underestimate fracturing of extended family, place, and impact on parent-child
--Healthy mentorship and positive power dynamics
--"Daughtering" as being active in relationship with your parent
--Growing between healthy independence and healthy dependence
--Negative stories/stereotypes we tell teen girls about themselves often come true
--Sil would never trash talk Eliza to other people
--Teenage girls as fiercely loyal, loving, kind, radically inclusive with support
--Mothers need other mother/mentor support in community raising preteens and teens together
--Children surrounded by peers in toxic mom-bashing culture
--Dual shift parents getting parenting in community and mentorship and daughter getting healthy peer community and mentorship
--Teens starve for mentorship and want to be in stable and grounded community mirrors back their magic
--Badass Girls Academy supports parents and daughters
--Pushing through the resistance as parents
--Commonalities in parenting, attachment, and rapid development in toddlers and teens
--Preteen and teen "tantrums" because of brain development, psyche, hormones, etc. remembering they are not adults yet
--Being safe harbor and adult through teen tantrums
--Empowering young people to have more conscious relationships to make home easier and less conflict
--Building skill-set to consciously communicate through practicing with mentors, scripts, body-centering techniques, etc.
--Holding boundaries and containment around preteens and teens
--Safety still really important with this age group
--Working with healthy resistance as parents, pushing up ways against similarities and differences as parent
--Feel safety with parents to express themselves and not taking it personally as parents
--Helping teens navigate resistance and intensity
--Holding true space for their 'no' in order to hold true space for their 'yes'
--Badass Academy is program private app and community curated by professional mentors all online, monthly themes, being more invested in radical responsibility of respecting and loving yourself
Resources
Website: https://badassgirls.me/
IG: @eliza.feelings
—Labor on behalf of a better day without hope
—We don't need people who have an answer for everything
—A healthy respect for the unknown
—Meaning of the word "Awake"- of the web of consequence that fanned out from everything you did and did not do, and you did and did not say
—What is the sound upon awakening that we make?
--What happens if we imagine that the differences between us are problems to solve?
--You are incapable of generating the meaning of your life
--The meaning of your life is assembled when you die, what a village minded person owns their neighbors
--You don't get to know your legacy, it's not yours, it's the consequence of your death
--Your act of dying is your last act of citizenship
--The word "therapeo" to cure, you require a malady
--Preoccupation with self is the principle malady of the times
--What's the source of the enthronement of the self and social media
--Elderhood as a check-and-balance on the regime of self-absorption
--What will happen if you don't know how to die?
--Death as a great act of humanity and its fullest incarnation or an insult to humanity
--Willingness to work is a casualty of the "me first" movement
--The moral quandary of having children
--Inclusivity is a blowing apart of the capacity to distinguish, inclusivity shames discernment
--Culture work versus personal work
--Dominant culture of North American founded by flight risks, people on the run, casualties
--"The world" doesn't exist, place does
Resources
Website: www.orphanwisdom.com
--Negative fantasy that caused worry despite feeling good and being successful
--Growing up overweight and body image issues with dieting
--Turning point moment of pure consciousness recognized blocking of negative emotions with food
--Opening significant new territory within ourselves is major life event
--Upper limit problem occurs when intense feelings of goodness are followed by intense feelings of not feeling good (reached upper limit)
--Upper limit problem in relationship
--Societal upper limit problem from 60s-70s
--Expanding with fear instead of contracting with it
--Pay-off is living in peaceful flow of positive energy within relationships
--Steady relationship, not a lot of ups and downs
--Zero-criticism relationships
--Criticism as attack on your being instead of actions
--Become masters of fear and moving through waves of fear
--Staying open to the collective with hearts open not closed towards others' suffering
--Sitting in pleasure without spiritual by-passing, using pleasure to heal trauma
--New book describing extension of upper limit problem
--How to feel flow and connection all the time
--Creativity important in relationships for individuals to grow "your genius"
--Everybody has same desire inside to bring forth their "genius," their true creativity
--Finding genius in relationship
--Pre-order copy of upcoming book
--Being an elder in our culture
--Planning for what you want in older age
--Choosing creativity instead of stagnation; Choosing integrity instead of despair
--Experience being a thought leader and academic in New Age time from 1960s-70s to now
--Leaving his legacy
Resources
Website https://hendricks.com/
IG: @hendricks.gay
--Lymph system moves 6-12x per minute, slow rhythm and layers of lymph
--Lymph massage changes lymph and the nervous system
--Lymphatic massage is highlighted for different benefits around the world (aesthetic, immune-boosting, etc.)
--Pregnancy causes inflammation and swelling but natural process of body
--Shift from mindset of weight-gain during pregnancy to natural, intrinsic movement and clearing of waste in support of body
--Lymph has patterns of drainage, understand locations of lymph nodes for self-massage
--Self-care as self-massage rooted in physiology and clearing waste
--Book contains 3-5 minute self-care practices
--Different approaches for self-touch
--Laying hands flat to grab fluid and move up and let go
--Lymph stroke similar to how one touches baby for nourishing touch
--Negotiating how and where we accept or request touch
--Body-workers needing to communicate type of treatment and touch
--Three-layer touch (motherly, gripping, lightly) for lymphatic massage similar to baby sleep training
--Communicating through touch what feels safe and secure
--Importance of interpersonal communication during bodywork
--Importance of relationship with practitioner and client
--Proactive towards health with lymphatic massage
--Lymphatic massage as community engagement and ways of connecting
--Digital course, pre-recorded tutorials and monthly lives to practice on own and in community
