No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp (Tokens Media)
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| 20 May 2021 | 40: The Soul of Shame: Curt Thompson | 00:59:06 | |
Psychiatrist Curt Thompson joins Lee to discuss his book The Soul of Shame. They discuss the mechanism of shame, how it impedes joy, connection, creativity and human flourishing; and how vulnerability subverts shame. Don’t just listen to this one. Take notes, and try it… But it’s not for the faint of heart. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 15 Dec 2022 | 91: The Power of Being Known: Curt Thompson | 00:48:38 | |
What do our brains want more than chocolate, sex, or a sports car? What does your memory of long past events have to do with the apparently unrelated arguments and anxiety you are experiencing these days? Psychiatrist Curt Thompson discusses these questions from the perspective of both brain science and theology. A psychiatrist in private practice, Dr. Thompson has expertise in interpersonal neurobiology, and contends that a key to living a good life comes quite simply to this: “being known.” Lee and Curt discuss two of Curt’s books, “The Anatomy of the Soul” and “The Soul of Desire,” with conversation on trauma and anxiety, connection and community, and what your memory of long past events has to do with the apparently unrelated arguments you are having many years later. Books discussed in this episode: The Soul of Desire: Discovering the Neuroscience of Longing, Beauty, and Community Want more from Curt Thompson in conversation with Lee? Check out our earlier podcast episode with Curt on Curt’s book The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves. Additional NSE episodes of related interest: The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure: Anna Lembke The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer What Hath Christianity to do with Psychology? Mark McMinn See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 10 Jun 2023 | 107: Unabridged Interview: Azim Khamisa | 01:15:06 | |
This is our unabridged interview with Azim Khamisa How do you forgive the man who killed your son? In 1995, Azim Khamisa’s only son Tariq was shot and killed while delivering a pizza. The killer was a 14-year-old gang member named Tony Hicks, and due to a recent change of law in the state of California, Tony was tried as an adult and sentenced to 25 years in prison. But instead of responding with a call for outrage or revenge, Azim did the unthinkable: he forgave his son’s killer, fought for his release, then gave him a job. “My interpretation of this tragedy was that there are victims at both ends of the gun,” he says. In this episode, he tells the full story of how he uses his experience to help end youth violence, even recruiting his son’s killer to join in the work. It is one of unimaginable grief, staunch faith, and unwavering compassion. Show Notes:
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| 08 Aug 2023 | 115: Unabridged Interview: Elise Hu | 01:00:42 | |
This is our unabridged interview with Elise Hu. What is beauty, and what role should it play in our lives? Beauty has long been seen as one the three “transcendentals” (along with truth and goodness) which have been valued at all times, in all places, by all cultures. But these days, the word “beauty” is often equated with standards of bodily presentation that, in an increasingly globalized and technological world, are reachable only by extreme measures of constant labor or cosmetic surgery. In this episode, Elise asks the question we’re all thinking: is that version of beauty good for us? She discusses her experience in a beauty-obsessed Korean culture, its effects on both women and men, and what a healthy relationship with beauty might look like. Show Notes:
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| 24 Sep 2020 | 17: “I Don’t Know if I Should Say It, but, well…”: Charlie Strobel | 00:53:16 | |
Charlie Strobel is a sort of elder-statesman in Nashville, a Catholic priest, and founder of Room in the Inn. In a moving conversation with Charlie about some of his most important life moments, Lee and Charlie discuss loneliness and solitude; therapy and the opening of the self; receiving hospitality from the homeless as a boy; and the murder of Charlie’s mother. Charlie shares things regarding which he says “Nobody really knows this, but I guess, I don't know if I should say it, but, well…” LINKS: See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 09 Dec 2021 | 61: Black Mothers: Marty Dodson & Stephanie Knight | 00:44:11 | |
Marty Dodson is an acclaimed country singer-songwriter in Nashville. A number of years ago, he and his wife felt compelled to move from their home in Franklin, a wealthy and predominantly white suburb, to East Nashville, a historically black neighborhood which has been the site of much gentrification over the past few decades. When they moved in, they were instantly welcomed by Stephanie Knight, their new neighbor, and a long-time resident of East Nashville. Following the tragic murder of George Floyd, Marty and his wife were walking in their neighborhood when they stopped to talk to Stephanie. A long, tear-filled conversation culminated in Stephanie’s heartbreaking statement: “I’m scared for my boys… I just want them to come home.” It was this conversation that led Marty to start writing “Black Mothers,” a haunting song reminiscent of the Hebrew prophet’s plea for “justice to roll down like waters.” Today, their story, along with a performance of the song they wrote together.
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| 25 Jun 2020 | 9: Dirty Cop, False Arrest, and Unexpected Consequences | 00:27:02 | |
Andrew Collins, a white, dirty cop, falsifies his testimony. A black innocent man, Jameel McGee, gets sentenced to ten years in the Federal Pen. This is the story of the unanticipated consequences of a false-arrest gone bad, and then gone bad again. LINKS: See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 13 May 2021 | 39: Fear, Home and the Asian-American Experience: Eugene Cho and Karen Korematsu | 00:49:15 | |
In light of the recent rise of anti-Asian-American hostility and violence, we interview Dr. Karen Korematsu, daughter of famed civil-rights activist Fred Korematsu, the namesake of the infamous 1944 Supreme Court Case Korematsu v. United States. Mr. Korematsu, a Japanese-American and American citizen, refused to comply with President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s executive order which would have forced his re-location to an American “concentration camp.” In addition, we talk to Korean-born activist Eugene Cho, on his moving experiences as an American immigrant. Plus, live musical performances by Buddy Greene and the Most Outstanding Horeb Mountain Boys. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 11 Mar 2023 | 95: Unabridged Interview: James Lawson | 02:11:28 | |
***This is the special release of the unabridged interview with American Civil Rights hero Reverend James Lawson. You can find the normal shorter produced version in our podcast feed. The American Civil Rights Movement, like Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, was famously set apart by its employment of non-violent resistance methods. But have you ever wondered how such a movement was possible on so large a scale? In this episode, we are honored to have the man who Martin Luther King Jr. called friend, mentor, and the very conscience and architect of the Civil Rights movement: Reverend James Lawson. He discusses America’s past and present, and what it took to organize a whole population across the country to fight back without throwing a punch. “We started the public desegregation of the nation,” he says, “and we did it without hating anybody.”
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| 15 Jul 2023 | 112: Unabridged Interview: Parker Palmer (Part I) | 01:21:37 | |
This is Part I of our unabridged interview with Parker Palmer. “Things didn’t come together vocationally for me until I was 50.” Now 84 years old, Quaker writer, speaker, and activist Parker Palmer has much to say about living a good life. And in his experience, a good life is often hard-won and counterintuitive. In this episode, Parker covers a lot of ground, offering wisdom gleaned from a life lived at attention to the makings of a good life. He tells about his experience seeking and finding vocation, discovering how a rich life entails the embrace of paradox, and living through two major bouts of depression which gave him an increased attention to life’s small things.
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| 17 Jun 2023 | 108: Unabridged Interview: Judith Shulevitz | 01:01:42 | |
This is our unabridged interview with Judith Shulevitz Why would anybody want to practice Sabbath? Over a decade ago, Judith Shulevitz wrote a book called 'The Sabbath World: Glimpses of a Different Order of Time.' Before most of us had smartphones and remote jobs, she was calling attention to the troubling trajectory of an increasingly productivity-focused western culture. In a few years, she argued, we would simply be working all the time. Her prediction, it seems, has come true. The ramping up of 24/7 industry, news, and entertainment has created a baseline busyness unlike any in human history. But what if it’s doing more harm than good? What if, to live a good life, we need to rest, even if it comes at a cost? In this episode, Judith discusses how we got here, and why the ancient practice of Sabbath might help us re-establish a healthy relationship to time and to each other.
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| 08 Oct 2020 | 19: “I’m a Black Feminist: I Think Call Out Culture is Toxic”: Loretta Ross | 00:39:10 | |
Loretta Ross is a black feminist, a human rights activist, and an advocate for most things for the American political left. But in a recent New York Times opinion piece, she argues that American culture is sick with calling out, cancelling, and virtue signaling. Co-host Lauren White joins Lee Camp for a provocative conversation sure to be simultaneously celebrated and criticized by both right and left, which prescribes “calling in”—a call for accountability with love—as a creative and productive way forward. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 16 Feb 2023 | 92: Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher | 00:49:16 | |
How do you forgive someone who committed unspeakable horror against someone you love? In 2015, 21-year-old white supremacist, Dylann Roof, was welcomed into a bible study at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina. Minutes later, he opened fire and murdered nine members of the church. At his trial, the family members of those killed got the chance to speak to Roof publicly, voicing their pain; and some, in the midst of such anguish, publicly forgave him. But Sharon Risher, whose mother was shot and killed by Roof that day, was not immediately ready to forgive her mother's killer; for her, it was a long, hard road to forgiveness. Today, we discuss Sharon’s book entitled "For Such a Time as This: Hope and Forgiveness After the Charleston Massacre," which explores her journey of grief, healing, and grace after her mother’s murder. Show Notes:
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| 30 Mar 2023 | 98: The Good life - Lessons From The World's Longest Scientific Study Of Happiness: Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz | 00:49:28 | |
For all our modern so-called progress, global happiness levels have been consistently going down, especially in the richest and most developed countries. So what does it really take to be happy? Since 1938, Harvard scientists have been closely studying the lives of over 700 individuals to answer that very question. In this episode, two of those scientists - Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz - discuss the surprising results of what is known as the “World’s Longest Study of Happiness,” and why they are consistently finding that meaningful relationships are the key to living a long, happy, flourishing life.
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| 29 Jun 2023 | 110: Gretchen Rubin: The Happiness Project | 00:49:39 | |
What does it take to be happy? Our show is often over-academic in its approach to such questions. But what if there was a way to discover answers that work without bothering too much about definitions, drawn-out studies, and the search for a one-size-fits-all objectivity? In other words, what if the path to happiness includes some personal experimentation, fueled by good old fashioned trial and error? In this episode, Gretchen Rubin describes what she called “The Happiness Project,” a year-long process of trying various highly practical methods of increasing her happiness: joining book clubs, giving warm hellos and goodbyes, learning one’s own sleep preferences, reducing clutter, and trying every flavor of ice cream. “Spoiler alert,” she says. “It did make me happier.”
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| 08 Sep 2022 | 78: We’re Not as Good (Or Bad) as We Think We Are: Christian Miller | 00:53:47 | |
Are we as good as we think we are? Virtue theory suggests that things like compassion, honesty, and courage are the keys to living a good, happy life. But Christian Miller brings to light a troubling reality: though we all want to be virtuous, it turns out that it doesn’t take much to get us to forsake our values. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 11 May 2023 | 103: Ben and Jerry's and a Better Capitalism: Ben Cohen and Jay Jakub | 00:44:12 | |
Is business just for making money? Famed economist Milton Friedman once argued in favor of such a view, and his economic theory has been the teaching basis for the last 50 years of American capitalism. But Ben Cohen, co-founder of world-famous Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream, thinks differently. In this episode, he discusses how he and Jerry found groundbreaking ways to go against the grain of the business world, giving away unprecedented amounts of profit, incorporating justice work into their company’s workflow, and speaking out in public against corruption. Also, economist Jay Jakub explains why profit-centered Capitalism is destined to fail, and what it might look like for a business to take a more holistic view of capital.
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| 20 Oct 2022 | 84: The End of the Tokens Show: Jason Eskridge, Michael Hicks, Odessa Settles | 01:11:40 | |
The final episode of Tokens Show (in a way). Jason Eskridge, Michael Hicks, and Odessa Settles discuss their experiences with tokenism, and Lee reveals why, given such realities, the Tokens Show has decided upon a new name. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 04 May 2023 | 102: The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure: Anna Lembke and John Mark Comer (Best of NSE) | 00:49:44 | |
Our culture is brimming with wealth, upward social mobility, and endless access to massive hits of dopamine-fueled pleasure. So why are we still so unhappy? Access to pleasure is greater than ever in industrialized nations, and yet those same nations are seeing frightening rises in depression, anxiety, and “deaths of despair". In this episode, Anna Lembke, author of New York Times bestseller 'Dopamine Nation,' and John Mark Comer, author of New York Times bestseller 'The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry,' discuss why a life of endless, fast-paced pleasure seeking always comes at a cost, and what might be done in the midst of such an epidemic.
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| 15 Apr 2021 | 35: The Collapse of the Biosphere: Peter Harris | 00:53:03 | |
An interview with Peter Harris, Anglican clergyman and founder of the highly esteemed Christian conservation non-profit A Rocha International. Peter and Lee discuss why the political polarization of the climate crisis in the United States is more an accident of history than a theological necessity; the ways in which fundamental Christian orthodoxy supports ecological conservation; and how, the preservation, or decimation, of much of the biosphere is dependent upon the choices of evangelical Christians. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 23 Feb 2023 | 93: Author Of The Shack: William Paul Young | 00:48:41 | |
Author of The Shack, William Paul Young, joins us on this episode of No Small Endeavor. At age 50, William Paul Young wrote the New York Times Best-selling novel “The Shack.” It went on to sell 25 million copies and was turned into a major motion picture. 11 years prior, Paul’s wife discovered he was having an extra-marital affair. With nothing left to hide, he began a journey toward healing and wholeness: dealing with his being abused as a child, dealing with the toxic “snow covered dung” theology of his inherited religious tradition; and his quest for control of his own image-management and the world around him. Subsequently, he wrote “The Shack” at age 50 for his 6 kids to express to them the nature of what he calls “Divine Love”. Paul shares how love, grace, and healing only happen in the present moment, and share some highly practical life experience that can transform one’s most intimate relationships.
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| 03 Jan 2021 | 27: The Death Penalty | 00:48:46 | |
A special episode chronicling the capital punishment case of Pervis Payne, an inmate for over three decades on Tennessee’s death row; a similar story from former death row inmate Ndume Olatushani; and commentary from author and activist Shane Claiborne about the Christian church’s complex relationship with capital punishment. Plus musical performances by Buddy Greene, Sonya Isaacs, Vince Gill, and Odessa Settles. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 18 May 2023 | 104: Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence (Best of NSE) | 00:50:25 | |
How do you reteach love to a community that society has deemed unloveable? In the 80s and 90s, the city of Los Angeles was ravaged by what is now known as the "decade of death," a period of unprecedented gang violence, peaking at 1,000 killings in 1992 alone. It was in the midst of this unrest, fear, and finger-pointing that Father Greg Boyle became pastor of the poorest Catholic parish in the city, in order to live and work among gang members. This eventually led him to start Homeboy Industries, which is now the largest gang-member rehabilitation and re-entry program in the world. In this episode, he tells some breathtaking stories, offering wisdom from a life lived in community with those who society neglects: “You don't go to the margins to make a difference. You go so the folks at the margins make you different.”
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| 01 Jun 2023 | 106: Actor and Activist: Martin Sheen | 00:48:16 | |
In this episode, Lee sits down with the former President of the United States… At least, that’s how many listeners may know Martin Sheen, an award-winning actor known for his roles in Apocalypse Now and The Departed, and perhaps most famously for playing President Jed Bartlet in the hit TV series The West Wing. But offscreen, Martin is perhaps best described as a committed Catholic with a beautiful conversion story, and an ardent peace activist who has been arrested over 60 times. In this episode, he tells his whole story, full of humor and grace, all the way from his childhood in Ohio to his acting career, his coming to faith, and much more.
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| 21 May 2020 | 1: Murder, Race and Faith: Jerry Mitchell | 00:59:03 | |
Host Lee C. Camp interviews the MacArthur Genius Grant recipient Jerry Mitchell on his new book Race Against Time: A Reporter Reopens the Unsolved Murder Cases of the Civil Rights Era. The conversation discusses Jerry’s anger, his quest for justice, and the manner in which Jerry’s faith drove that quest, contributing to convictions in 24 of those cold Civil Rights era murder cases. LINKS: See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 19 Nov 2020 | 25: Pay Attention. Be Kind. Live Large: Naomi Shihab Nye | 00:45:04 | |
Naomi Shihab Nye is the author and/or editor of more than 30 volumes, the Young People’s Poet Laureate, and as we used to say in Alabama, the winner of more awards than you can shake a stick at. In this sort of wisdom-of-the-ages interview, Naomi discusses kindness, the joy which accompanies sorrow, paying attention, and living life large. She also shares two of her well-known poems: “Kindness,” and “Gate A4.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 01 Aug 2023 | 114: Unabridged Interview: Tish Harrison Warren | 00:57:27 | |
This is our unabridged interview with Tish Harrison Warren. Does pluralism result in discrimination? Must one choose a political side, either on the Left or the Right? And how can an ordinary life be an exceptional one? These are all questions involving dichotomies that are commonly presented to us in our culture. But Tish Harrison Warren, an ordained Anglican priest and columnist for the New York Times, sees such dichotomies as false, and has spent her own life’s work breaking them down in whatever ways she can. In this episode, Tish discusses her experience as a campus minister in the midst of controversy at Vanderbilt University, what it’s like holding convictions while under fire from both sides of the political spectrum, and her award-winning book Liturgy of the Ordinary. Show Notes:
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| 15 Jun 2023 | 108: The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz | 00:47:46 | |
Why would anybody want to practice Sabbath? Over a decade ago, Judith Shulevitz wrote a book called 'The Sabbath World: Glimpses of a Different Order of Time.' Before most of us had smartphones and remote jobs, she was calling attention to the troubling trajectory of an increasingly productivity-focused western culture. In a few years, she argued, we would simply be working all the time. Her prediction, it seems, has come true. The ramping up of 24/7 industry, news, and entertainment has created a baseline busyness unlike any in human history. But what if it’s doing more harm than good? What if, to live a good life, we need to rest, even if it comes at a cost? In this episode, Judith discusses how we got here, and why the ancient practice of Sabbath might help us re-establish a healthy relationship to time and to each other.
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| 22 Sep 2022 | 80: The Art of Conversation: Heather Holleman | 00:48:23 | |
“Good conversations create personal closeness,” says Heather Holleman. “When you have good conversations, it could intervene in the loneliness epidemic.” Today, she discusses the many tried-and-true methods for becoming better conversationalists – a skill that just might be a central key to human flourishing. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 29 Apr 2023 | 101: Unabridged Interview: David Hemenway | 00:50:23 | |
This is the unabridged interview with David Hemenway. After consistently eclipsing all other countries in the number of mass shootings per year, why is America still so obsessed with guns? And in the face of such a polarizing issue, what can be done to stop the killing? “A lot of people think we have a violence problem, but it doesn't seem to be the case; but where we are different is in terms of guns,” says Dr. David Hemenway of Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center. He makes the case for a public health approach which treats gun violence as an epidemic to be mitigated through practical long-term solutions.
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| 30 Jul 2020 | 14: “Does This Make My Butt Look Big?”: Ashley Cleveland | 00:59:39 | |
Grammy and Dove Award winner Ashley Cleveland holds back little, and discusses major life lessons: from her adolescent “bad habit of behaving badly” through the storm of subsequent consequences and recovery; plus a conversation about the south and race, a horrifying murder, and Anne Lamott’s wisdom about what we do, and do not, have time for. Links: Master Course with Miroslav Volf See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 20 May 2023 | 104: Unabridged Interview: Greg Boyle | 00:54:13 | |
This is the unabridged interview with Greg Boyle. How do you reteach love to a community that society has deemed unloveable? In the 80s and 90s, the city of Los Angeles was ravaged by what is now known as the "decade of death," a period of unprecedented gang violence, peaking at 1,000 killings in 1992 alone. It was in the midst of this unrest, fear, and finger-pointing that Father Greg Boyle became pastor of the poorest Catholic parish in the city, in order to live and work among gang members. This eventually led him to start Homeboy Industries, which is now the largest gang-member rehabilitation and re-entry program in the world. In this episode, he tells some breathtaking stories, offering wisdom from a life lived in community with those who society neglects: “You don't go to the margins to make a difference. You go so the folks at the margins make you different.”
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| 27 Oct 2022 | 85: The New Name: Why Living a Good Life is “No Small Endeavor” | 00:18:49 | |
The inaugural episode of No Small Endeavor, in which Lee discusses the reasons behind the name change, the mission entailed by the new name, and the centrality of conversation, courage, and community. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 30 Sep 2021 | 51: The (Not Really) War Between Science and Faith: David Wilkinson | 00:53:51 | |
The X-CLUB, and the invention of the supposed war between science and faith, with astro-physicist and theologian David Wilkinson of Durham University. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 22 Oct 2020 | 21: “What Could Possibly Produce Someone with a Soul That Shallow?”: Stanley Hauerwas | 00:37:08 | |
Stanley Hauerwas was once dubbed by Time Magazine with the moniker, “America’s Greatest Theologian.” This is ironic because he’s spent much of his life criticizing American Christianity. Join us for our evening with Stanley, a beloved, profane, beautifully grumpy theologian, as he shares about non-violence, the story of Billy Dick, and a brief commentary on Christians and Donald Trump. PLUS: Stanley Hauerwas makes his acting debut with a stand-up comedy with the Tokens Radio Players. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 03 Aug 2023 | 115: Elise Hu: Obsessed With Beauty | 00:48:37 | |
What is beauty, and what role should it play in our lives? Beauty has long been seen as one the three “transcendentals” (along with truth and goodness) which have been valued at all times, in all places, by all cultures. But these days, the word “beauty” is often equated with standards of bodily presentation that, in an increasingly globalized and technological world, are reachable only by extreme measures of constant labor or cosmetic surgery. In this episode, Elise asks the question we’re all thinking: is that version of beauty good for us? She discusses her experience in a beauty-obsessed Korean culture, its effects on both women and men, and what a healthy relationship with beauty might look like.
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| 16 Mar 2023 | 96: Time Management for Mortals: Oliver Burkeman | 00:57:56 | |
We live in an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus. But for all of the tips and tricks we adopt in order to squeeze every ounce of production out of our days, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life? "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder." In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world. Similar episodes:
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| 29 Apr 2021 | 37: Jesus and John Wayne: Kristin Du Mez | 00:57:39 | |
An interview with Kristin Du Mez, Professor of History and Gender Studies at Calvin University and author of a provocative new book entitled Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation. In light of the fact that 81% of white evangelicals supposedly voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 election, many have tried to make sense of how “family values voters” could have supported Trump. Du Mez, in contrast, claims that this support of Trump was not in contradiction to, but consistent with, the deeper values of American evangelical Christianity. Regardless of your politics, you will not find this an episode that leaves you without some emotion. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 09 Sep 2021 | 48: Tuskegee, Healthcare, Justice: Quincy Byrdsong | 00:53:05 | |
“Health inequities started with slavery,” says Dr. Quincy Byrdsong in this episode on healthcare inequities. We discuss at length the infamous Tuskegee Syphilis trials, and the persistent issues in healthcare and social justice. We close with a personal conversation about his experience as an African-American man, and how he has emotionally and professionally navigated doing such work. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 02 Sep 2021 | 47: Guns, Economics, Public Health: David Hemenway | 00:49:48 | |
The US, says Harvard Prof. David Hemenway, does not have a “violence problem” in comparison to other high-income countries in terms of robbery, assault, or burglary. But we have much more homicide and gun-related problems: “A child in the United States is much more likely to be murdered with a firearm than children in these other countries: We are twenty-nine times higher.” From the perspective of public health, what practical helps might there be? Listener discretion is advised. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 22 Jun 2023 | 109: Rainn Wilson: Dwight Schrute Talks About Religion | 00:49:23 | |
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica… and spirituality? Rainn Wilson is known for playing beloved misfit, paper salesman, and beet farmer Dwight Schrute on the hit TV show The Office. But in Hollywood, he’s known for being a bit of a misfit in another way… he frequently talks about religion in public. Recently, he wrote a book called 'Soul Boom' in which he calls for a spiritual revolution. “We've thrown the spiritual baby out with the religious bathwater,” he says, “but spiritual ideas helped transform my life and made my life better, and the stakes have never been higher.” In this episode, he discusses his upbringing in the Bahá'í faith, how his career as an actor and comedian in Hollywood took a dire toll on his mental health, and how a return to spirituality gave him the tools to begin living a happy, flourishing life.
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| 26 Aug 2021 | 46: Bad Faith—Race and the Rise of the Religious Right: Randall Balmer | 00:45:51 | |
Professor of Religion at Dartmouth College Randall Balmer tells of a meeting in Washington, DC that changed the course of his academic career, and set him on an unexpected investigation: the Religious Right’s origins is not to be located in the issue of abortion. Instead, he concludes, the movement began “to defend racial segregation.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 01 Oct 2020 | 18: What Hath Christianity to do with Psychology? Mark McMinn | 00:46:55 | |
Mark McMinn, Professor of Psychology discusses the presumed antagonism between Christianity and psychology; the recent new research findings which posit a much larger ground of overlap; The surprising consensus between new findings in psychology and traditional Christian virtue theory; one of the common denominators in cases of psychosis and depression; and Lee discusses some of his own experience with depression. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 16 Jul 2020 | 12: Recovery, the Enneagram, and Being Human: Ian Cron | 00:53:36 | |
Ian Cron, host of the Typology podcast and author of The Road Back to You, discusses finding himself and helping others find themselves, through the gifts of both recovery and the Enneagram. Facing resentments, as well as one’s shadow side, turn out to be key practices in becoming more truly human. LINKS: See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 29 Sep 2022 | 81: Bourbon, Bluegrass and the Bible, with the Hillbilly Thomists | 00:49:44 | |
What do bourbon, bluegrass, and the Bible have in common? Just ask the Billboard charting Hillbilly Thomists, a group of Catholic Dominican Friars, clad in white tunics and rosaries—playing bluegrass music. Their name, Hillbilly Thomists, is indebted to the Catholic Southern Gothic writer Flannery O'Connor whose mixture of morbidity and grace show up in their songs. We assembled at the Soultrain Sound Studio in Nashville, TN to hear about their vocation, what life is like on the road as occasionally touring musicians, and their many songs including one entitled “Bourbon, Bluegrass and the Bible”. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 23 Mar 2023 | 97: How Celebrity Culture is Hurting the Church: Katelyn Beaty | 00:51:42 | |
Christian culture in our day is full of superstars: authors, athletes, media personas, and even pastors with millions of followers and fans. Their success, and the devotion they receive, often rivals that of their secular counterparts. But what if such fame actually does more harm than good? Today, Katleyn Beaty explores this question at length, discussing how Christianity became an arena for celebrity, and why a celebrity-based culture makes little room for the traditional Christian virtues of humility, poverty, and accountability. Similar episodes Resources mentioned this episode
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| 15 Oct 2020 | 20: The Facts of Life: Pádraig Ó Tuama | 00:58:26 | |
Irish poet, peace-maker and theologian Pádraig Ó Tuama joins Lee for a discussion on practices of peace-making, including peace with oneself. They both discuss the great significance of John 21 for their own lives. And Pádraig shares readings from his poems “The Facts of Life,” “The Pedagogy of Conflict,” and “Shaking Hands.” LINKS: Padraig Books: Daily Prayer with the Corrymeela Community Readings from the Book of Exile See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 14 Apr 2022 | 70: Does Evolutionary Theory Destroy Morality?: Justin Barrett | 01:00:41 | |
Does evolutionary theory destroy morality? Barrett contends that evolutionary psychology might instead provide guidance toward practices of sociability, community, and love. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 15 Apr 2023 | 99: Unabridged Interview: John Dear | 01:15:13 | |
The unabridged interview version of Lee's interview with John Dear How do you live a good life in a world of 30 wars, 13,000 nuclear weapons, 4 billion people in poverty, racism, gun violence, child hunger, and catastrophic climate change? This is the question posed by Catholic priest and activist John Dear. For years, Father Dear has taken part in peace movements alongside folks like Coretta King, Thich Nhat Hanh, and Desmond tutu. In this episode, he has some unbelievable stories that answer his question in a provocative way: “To do the good means to stop the killing. You cannot be a Christian and support war, or killing, or nuclear weapons. Jesus was totally non-violent; if you want to be a Christian, you have to be totally non-violent too.”
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| 11 Apr 2023 | 82: Rebroadcast - Doing Justice at The People’s Plaza: Justin Jones | 00:41:41 | |
We wanted to rebroadcast our interview with Justin Jones. Recently Justin was one of two Black lawmakers in the Tennessee House who were expelled for breaking decorum. You can watch the video of the debate and vote to expel them here. Since Justin is now the national face of a movement to end gun violence and racial discrimination we thought our interview might help provide some context to the man in the headlines. This is a rebroadcast from before the name change to No Small Endeavor when the show was called Tokens. “Justice is what love looks like in public.” In this episode, Justin Jones discusses how his work for justice, particularly during a 62-day non-violent protest outside the Tennessee State Capitol, is itself an act of faith, steeped in self-denying love.
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| 20 Apr 2023 | 100: Healing The Earth: Debra Rienstra | 00:48:43 | |
What on God’s green earth does climate change have to do with living a good life? To answer such a question, says author and professor Debra Rienstra, we must first ask a more basic one: what is the good life? “We have assumed that it is affluence and upward mobility,” she says, “but that good life is not sustainable.” If a good life is one of purpose and healing, then it is precisely the Western ideal of success that is eating away our ability to live good lives. In this episode, we discuss her book Refugia Faith, in which she makes the argument that “the created world is not just our grocery store and sewer,” and that to live a good life, we must care for the planet on which the good life takes place.
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| 06 Aug 2020 | 15: I Am Not Your Enemy: Michael T. McRay | 00:58:30 | |
Author and story practitioner travels to some of the globe’s most contentious socio-political locales. He’s convinced you cannot argue people into a new way of seeing the world, you can only story them into new ways of thinking. In this compelling episode, we hear some of the troubling and violent, yet nonetheless hopeful, stories he’s learned. And we reflect upon personal practices of peace-making, with others and with ourselves. LINKS: Master Course with Miroslav Volf See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 04 Jun 2020 | 6: Hospitality Wanted, Given, and Given When not Wanted: Leslie Garcia, Brian McLaren, and Odessa Settles | 00:29:56 | |
Three very different accounts of hospitality: one entails sneaking across the border in the back of a pick-up truck. Another entails seeking out a Muslim imam to say some things after September 11. And a third entails a radical subversion of southern racism through the exercise of both medical expertise, and kindness. Our episode on hospitality comprises an interview with author Brian McLaren, a spoken word performance by Leslie Garcia, and an interview with beloved Nashville performer Odessa Settles. LINKS: Brian’s book: "Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World" - https://amzn.to/2ZKmcVj Tokens 2020 Subscriptions: www.tokensshow.com/2020 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 18 Mar 2021 | 32: Republicans, Roe v Wade, and the Pro-Life Failure: Bill Cavanaugh | 00:37:52 | |
Bill Cavanaugh, professor of Catholic studies at DePaul University, discusses with Lee his recent provocative article entitled "Electing Republicans has not Reversed Roe vs. Wade. It's Time to Change Our Strategy." in which Bill shares some shocking realities which are being little discussed and appear to be little known about the abortion debates in America. In addition, Lee and Bill discuss Bill’s book Torture and Eucharist on the Pinochet regime in Chile, along with a brief discussion of Bill’s book Being Consumed, in which Bill both critiques naïve notions of the “free market” while not advocating state socialism as the only other alternative. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 05 Aug 2021 | 43: Good Trouble: Ruby Amanfu, Matt Maher, Leigh Nash | 00:36:50 | |
“Never, ever be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble,” said Congressman John Lewis. Leigh Nash and Matt Maher met for a song co-write honoring Lewis’s wisdom, hoping to speak to issues of race in America. Knowing their white perspective was not sufficient for an honest song, some awkwardness and vulnerability led to a request of their third co-writer Ruby Amanfu. That gave rise to their moving song “Good Trouble.” Includes live performance. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 26 Jul 2023 | 114: Tish Harrison Warren: Beyond Left and Right | 00:48:04 | |
Does pluralism result in discrimination? Must one choose a political side, either on the Left or the Right? And how can an ordinary life be an exceptional one? These are all questions involving dichotomies that are commonly presented to us in our culture. But Tish Harrison Warren, an ordained Anglican priest and columnist for the New York Times, sees such dichotomies as false, and has spent her own life’s work breaking them down in whatever ways she can. In this episode, Tish discusses her experience as a campus minister in the midst of controversy at Vanderbilt University, what it’s like holding convictions while under fire from both sides of the political spectrum, and her award-winning book Liturgy of the Ordinary. Show Notes:
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| 06 May 2023 | 102: Unabridged Interview: Anna Lembke | 00:57:40 | |
Our culture is brimming with wealth, upward social mobility, and endless access to massive hits of dopamine-fueled pleasure. So why are we still so unhappy? Access to pleasure is greater than ever in industrialized nations, and yet those same nations are seeing frightening rises in depression, anxiety, and “deaths of despair". In this episode, Anna Lembke, author of New York Times bestseller 'Dopamine Nation,' discusses why a life of endless, fast-paced pleasure seeking always comes at a cost, and what might be done in the midst of such an epidemic.
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| 13 May 2023 | 103: Unabridged Interview: Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream | 00:49:46 | |
This is our unabridged interview with Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream
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| 23 Sep 2021 | 50: Hope in the Age of Climate Change: Chris Doran | 00:40:57 | |
What does the resurrection of Jesus have to do with climate change? Chris Doran discusses why a rightly-seen eschatological hope should necessarily drive Christians towards climate care. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 16 Sep 2021 | 49: Self-Compassion: Kristin Neff | 00:44:18 | |
Ever wonder about “everybody getting a trophy” and the cult of self-esteem? Kristin Neff discusses the potential dangers of self-esteem—like bullying and narcissism—and the preferred practice of self-compassion. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 21 May 2020 | 2: Humility and the Art of Politics: Bill Haslam | 00:54:13 | |
Host Lee C. Camp invents a phrase: the “sunk-suffering fallacy.” Borrowing from the economists’ sunk-cost fallacy, the sunk-suffering fallacy provides a potential explanation for why some Christians tend to be so horribly partisan. Is there any way out of such a mess? Lee wonders about such questions in his interview with former Tennessee governor Bill Haslam. Haslam reveals an almost jarring key to the kingdom of doing public service, and some virtues to live by. LINKS: See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 31 Mar 2022 | 68: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life: Edith Hall | 00:57:52 | |
Edith Hall offers timely commentary on the virtue ethics of Aristotle: and how contemporary society may be missing fundamental keys to living life well. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 25 Jul 2023 | 113: Unabridged Interview: Angela Duckworth | 00:51:14 | |
This is our unabridged interview with Angela Duckworth. What do Olympic athletes, world-class artists, elite academics, and successful business executives have in common? Ivy League psychologist Angela Duckworth has spent her career researching this question, closely studying those folks at the top of their respective fields who are considered “high achievers.” Surprisingly, it turns out talent is not the answer. Neither is genius. “The common denominator,” she says, “is grit.” In this episode, she explains what she means by “grit,” discusses why it is such a crucial determinant for success, and offers highly practical methods for developing grit in one’s own life. Show Notes:
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| 08 Dec 2022 | 90: Reality TV, The Cuban Revolution, and a Disco Queen Mother: JohnnySwim | 00:53:31 | |
The folk-pop duo Johnnyswim, comprised of married couple Amanda Sudano and Abner Ramirez, discuss their reality television shows, their public marriage, their radically different childhoods, and their opinions about Christianity in America. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 28 May 2020 | 5: Faith, Science, Humility: Rachel Held Evans, Francis Collins, and Ed Larson | 00:46:10 | |
The supposed conflict between faith and science, as typified in the debate between fundamentalist Christianity and the theory of evolution, turns out to be hiding some skeletons in its closet. This episode explores some crucial unknowns, and breaks down some false dichotomies, in conversations on site of the famed Scopes Trial in Dayton, Tennessee with Pulitzer prize-winning author Ed Larson and celebrated activist and author Rachel Held Evans (who tragically passed away in 2019), as well as an interview at Pepperdine University with Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health. Find links to videos and photos from our show at the Rhea County Courthouse, along with historical photos and other helpful links on the episode page at www.tokensshow.com/blog/s1e4 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 06 Oct 2022 | 82: Doing Justice at The People’s Plaza: Justin Jones | 00:40:05 | |
“Justice is what love looks like in public.” In this episode, Justin Jones discusses how his work for justice, particularly during a 62-day non-violent protest outside the Tennessee State Capitol, is itself an act of faith, steeped in self-denying love. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 09 Jul 2020 | 11: Feminism Crash Course: Lauren Smelser White | 00:56:32 | |
What do you get when a woman from north Alabama, raised conservative in most every way, goes to a private Christian college, earns her master’s degree in literature from another Christian college, and then earns a PhD in theology from Divinity School? A Christian feminist, of course. Get a crash course on feminism, and learn why and how Christianity made Lauren Smelser White a feminist. LINKS:
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| 28 Jan 2021 | 28: Science, Faith, and Einstein: Alister McGrath | 00:51:54 | |
An interview with Alister McGrath, esteemed professor of Science and Religion at the University of Oxford, and one of the world’s leading Christian apologists. Lee and Alister discuss one of the great modern dichotomies of our day: the supposed mutually exclusive choice between science and faith; why the teachings and writings of Einstein played a significant role in undermining McGrath’s own former atheism; and why adhering to a more holistic, incorporative view of science, religion, and philosophy may lead us to a better understanding of ourselves and of the world. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 21 Apr 2022 | 71: Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung | 01:02:44 | |
Are the “seven deadly sins” merely a medieval-era reflection upon divine finger-wagging? Rebecca DeYoung explains why the “seven deadly sins” is better understood as a diagnostic tool which may instead facilitate a joyful and flourishing life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 28 Oct 2021 | 55: Diversity, Virtue, Healthcare: Dr. Andre Churchwell | 00:49:48 | |
What role might race play in today’s ever-increasing gaps of social and economic inequality? And what might we be able to do about it? In this episode, Dr. Andre Churchwell explains how a life of cultivated virtue and diversity might be necessary to equip us to address such issues of injustice. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 10 Aug 2023 | 116: Charles Strobel: Remembering a Life Well Lived | 00:48:13 | |
On August 6th, 2023, at the age of 80, Charles Strobel, affectionately known as Charlie, left us. Today, we revisit our 2020 interview with him. A true Nashville icon, he was once hailed as "Tennesseean of the Year." As a Catholic priest and the visionary behind Room In The Inn, a Nashville-based non-profit dedicated to offering hospitality, education, community, and employment to those experiencing homelessness, Charlie's impact was immeasurable. Join us in this special episode where he shares captivating anecdotes from his life, recounting his journey from living among the homeless to founding a shelter for them. He candidly discusses his battles with depression and the transformative power of therapy. Incredibly, he opens up about his journey to forgive the individual who took his mother's life. Charlie's existence epitomized the essence of a well-lived life, making him an extraordinary example to us all. As we mourn his passing, let's celebrate the legacy he leaves behind. Show Notes:
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| 06 Apr 2023 | 91: The Power of Being Known: Curt Thompson (Best of NSE) | 00:48:26 | |
What does one’s past have to do with their anger and anxiety in the present? What do our bodies remember that our minds don’t? And what do our brains want more than chocolate, sex, or a sports car? Psychiatrist Curt Thompson discusses these questions from the perspective of both brain science and theology. A psychiatrist in private practice, Dr. Thompson has expertise in interpersonal neurobiology, and contends that a key to living a good life comes quite simply to this: “being known.” Lee and Curt discuss two of Curt’s books, “The Anatomy of the Soul” and “The Soul of Desire,” with conversation on trauma and anxiety, connection and community, and why people need each other to be fully themselves.
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| 11 Jul 2023 | 111: Unabridged Interview: Judith Moskowitz | 00:56:52 | |
This is our unabridged interview with Judith Moskowitz. Stress, they say, is a silent killer. It sometimes feels as if our culture, all the way down to its very economic and social structures, is oriented toward increasing stress levels. Then add the challenges of various common life events–death of a loved one, losing a job, going through divorce – and sooner or later, overwhelming stress seems to come for us all. But might there be a way for us to flourish when stress hits us? Social psychologist Judith Moskowitz has dedicated her life’s work to answering this question. In this episode, she shares her findings after years of studying those who are dealing with acute stress, and describes why finding small ways to increase “positive emotion” can be a crucial tool for navigating one’s stress.
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| 12 May 2022 | 73: Listen, Love, and Turn the Other Cheek: Joy Oladokun | 00:49:57 | |
How music gives voice to people on the margins; how lament and hope co-exist in songwriting; and wondering what one is really supposed to do with “turn the other cheek,” all with Joy Oladokun. Plus, she performs five of her songs live from Nashville’s Sound Emporium. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 11 Jun 2020 | 7: The Road to Character: David Brooks | 00:30:37 | |
New York Times columnist David Brooks reflects upon the major themes from his book The Road to Character, including the possibility of grace awakening the desire to live a better life, making commitments, mothers, and Saint Augustine. Lauren White joins Lee Camp for a first co-hosting stint. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 06 Jul 2023 | 111: Judith Moskowitz: How to Flourish Amidst Stress | 00:48:16 | |
Stress, they say, is a silent killer. It sometimes feels as if our culture, all the way down to its very economic and social structures, is oriented toward increasing stress levels. Then add the challenges of various common life events–death of a loved one, losing a job, going through divorce – and sooner or later, overwhelming stress seems to come for us all. But might there be a way for us to flourish when stress hits us? Social psychologist Judith Moskowitz has dedicated her life’s work to answering this question. In this episode, she shares her findings after years of studying those who are dealing with acute stress, and describes why finding small ways to increase “positive emotion” can be a crucial tool for navigating one’s stress.
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| 08 Apr 2021 | 34: Doubt Becomes Wonder: Audrey Assad | 00:46:02 | |
A frequent guest on Tokens Show, Audrey Assad joins Lee to discuss her new memoir Doubt Becomes Wonder: Embracing the Loss of Everything You Thought You Knew. They discuss healing from childhood wounds, and the consequent navigation of doubt; and Audrey’s experience as a woman in the church. PLUS: two live studio performances. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 23 Jul 2020 | 13: A Theology of Joy: Miroslav Volf | 00:32:21 | |
No theology of grumpiness here: Miroslav Volf (Professor of Theology, and Director of the Center for Faith and Culture at Yale University) sketches some initial direction for a Theology of Joy. Volf himself having suffered under a communist regime, and his father have imprisoned in a forced labor camp, he provides compelling possibilities for joy in some of the most difficult of circumstances. AND: Brother Preacher makes an (intrusive) appearance. LINKS: See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 20 Jul 2023 | 113: Angela Duckworth: Is Grit the Secret to Success? | 00:48:17 | |
What do Olympic athletes, world-class artists, elite academics, and successful business executives have in common? Ivy League psychologist Angela Duckworth has spent her career researching this question, closely studying those folks at the top of their respective fields who are considered “high achievers.” Surprisingly, it turns out talent is not the answer. Neither is genius. “The common denominator,” she says, “is grit.” In this episode, she explains what she means by “grit,” discusses why it is such a crucial determinant for success, and offers highly practical methods for developing grit in one’s own life.
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| 01 Dec 2022 | 89: When Justice Never Comes How Can We Begin Again? A Look at America Through The Life of James Baldwin with Dr. Eddie Glaude | 00:48:32 | |
Why are there different narratives around race in America? Some Americans believe that we are a “shining city on a hill” a beacon of truth and justice for the world, but anyone with eyes can see that there are some major contradictions in that narrative. James Baldwin called this “The Lie” and we discuss it in great detail with Dr. Eddie Glaude and his book Begin Again: James Baldwin's America and its Urgent Lessons For Our Own. The book is a powerful reckoning with America’s ongoing failure to confront the lies it tells itself about race. So when justice never seems to come how can we begin again?
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| 02 Dec 2021 | 60: Man Shall Not Live by Profit Alone: Jay Jakub | 00:58:30 | |
“What should the right level of profit be for a corporation?” In this episode, Jay Jakub discusses why this question must be asked in order for a business to thrive, and how a more holistic approach to capitalism might be adopted to unlock a company’s full potential. And maybe help save the world. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 15 Sep 2022 | 79: The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon: Bill McKibben | 00:55:31 | |
“If we are to take heart from the really good things about American history, we have no choice but to reckon first with the dark sides of it,” says Bill McKibben, a prominent journalist, author, and activist. One of the most prominent of environmental activists and authors, McKibben also discusses racial justice, the economic impact of suburbanization, and the relation of the Christian church to social change in America. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 17 Mar 2022 | 66: Conservatism without Trumpism: David French | 00:59:15 | |
David French discusses the culture of animosity in which he finds himself as a political commentator; what it’s like to critique conservatism as a conservative; and why he thinks America’s classical liberalism may yet be salvageable. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 09 Mar 2023 | 95: The Architect of The American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson | 00:55:33 | |
The American Civil Rights Movement, like Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, was famously set apart by its employment of non-violent resistance methods. But have you ever wondered how such a movement was possible on so large a scale? In this episode, we are honored to have the man who Martin Luther King Jr. called friend, mentor, and the very conscience and architect of the Civil Rights movement: Reverend James Lawson. He discusses America’s past and present, and what it took to organize a whole population across the country to fight back without throwing a punch. “We started the public desegregation of the nation,” he says, “and we did it without hating anybody.”
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| 13 Aug 2020 | 16: Most Outstanding Season Wrap: Lee C. Camp | 00:30:50 | |
Host Lee C. Camp in a recap of season one, wandering hither and yon through the archives: on the burning of the world; the apparent irrelevance of poetry, song, and story; the importance of shutting up and listening; on the refusal to practice “othering”; and the deep need for humility as a social virtue. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 04 Nov 2021 | 56: Homeboys, Delight, Gladness: Greg Boyle | 00:51:35 | |
Father Greg Boyle, founder of Homeboy Industries, the world's largest gang-member rehabilitation program, in one of our most beautiful interviews to date. “You don't go to the margins to make a difference. You go to the margins so that the folks at the margins make you different." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 02 Mar 2023 | 94: What It Takes to Live a Good Life: Meghan Sullivan | 00:49:11 | |
What does it mean to live a good life, and how do we start? On our show, we make it a habit of repeating our tagline: “Exploring what it means to live a good life.” But in this episode, we address the issue head-on like never before, with the help of Notre Dame Professor of Philosophy Meghan Sullivan. We discuss her book “The Good Life Method,” which gives helpful insight about the kinds of questions philosophers and theologians have been asking for millennia: What does it mean to pursue a life worth living? What sort of end ought we keep in mind in all our doing and living and being? And how might we get there?
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| 08 Jun 2023 | 107: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness: Azim Khamisa | 00:48:05 | |
How do you forgive the man who killed your son? In 1995, Azim Khamisa’s only son Tariq was shot and killed while delivering a pizza. The killer was a 14-year-old gang member named Tony Hicks, and due to a recent change of law in the state of California, Tony was tried as an adult and sentenced to 25 years in prison. But instead of responding with a call for outrage or revenge, Azim did the unthinkable: he forgave his son’s killer, fought for his release, then gave him a job. “My interpretation of this tragedy was that there are victims at both ends of the gun,” he says. In this episode, he tells the full story of how he uses his experience to help end youth violence, even recruiting his son’s killer to join in the work. It is one of unimaginable grief, staunch faith, and unwavering compassion. Show Notes:
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| 17 Jul 2023 | 112: Unabridged Interview: Parker Palmer (Part II) | 01:23:53 | |
This is Part II of our unabridged interview with Parker Palmer. “Things didn’t come together vocationally for me until I was 50.” Now 84 years old, Quaker writer, speaker, and activist Parker Palmer has much to say about living a good life. And in his experience, a good life is often hard-won and counterintuitive. In this episode, Parker covers a lot of ground, offering wisdom gleaned from a life lived at attention to the makings of a good life. He tells about his experience seeking and finding vocation, discovering how a rich life entails the embrace of paradox, and living through two major bouts of depression which gave him an increased attention to life’s small things.
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| 03 Mar 2022 | 64: Is Conservative Christianity Anti-Intellectual?: Molly Worthen | 00:59:44 | |
Is Conservative Christianity necessarily opposed to reason? Dr. Molly Worthen discusses the history of Protestant Evangelicalism, and how this tradition has often been “perhaps the most preoccupied with squaring reason with their understanding of faith.” A complex and fascinating tale. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 23 Nov 2021 | 59: Welcome Table: A Tokens Thanksgiving Special | 00:38:13 | |
A special episode reflecting on over a decade of Thanksgivings spent at Nashville’s historic Ryman auditorium, with some of our favorite performances, sketches, and memories which we’ve shared together. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 17 Feb 2022 | 62: Against, and For, the Tribe: Russell Moore | 00:58:03 | |
“People are not so afraid of holding a wrong opinion, as they are of holding an opinion alone,” says public theologian Dr. Russell Moore, paraphrasing Soren Kierkegaard. In light of his recent book The Courage to Stand, we discussed the dangers of waging debate for the sake of hostility; the immense value found in cultivating the virtues of courage, prudence, and humility; and why he believes that “only the crucifiable self can find the courage to stand.” And these are not merely academic matters for Russell, having himself experienced trying times of intense public scrutiny from colleagues, friends, enemies, and Donald Trump. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 17 Nov 2022 | 88: Can Religion Make You Happier? The Surprising Scientific Findings of Ancient Religious Practice: David Desteno | 00:56:52 | |
Does religion make us happier? David Desteno discusses his book How God Works, in which he makes the argument, backed by research, that the wisdom of the world’s great religious traditions lines up with recent psychological and neuroscientific findings about what constitutes a good, flourishing life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 09 Jun 2022 | 76: The Practice of Friendship | 00:46:13 | |
Is friendship really a key to being happy? We often make our quest for human flourishing a solitary one, focusing on making changes in our personal mindsets and habits. Yet, much ancient and modern wisdom suggests that we cannot do it alone. In this episode, Andy Gullahorn, Gabe Scott, and Antsy McClain share stories and songs – full of high fives and trailer parks – that showcase the importance of deep friendship and community. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 24 Nov 2020 | 26: Welcome Table: A Tokens Thanksgiving Special | 00:38:30 | |
Each year since 2008 we've spent the Sunday before Thanksgiving at Nashville's Historic Ryman Auditorium for an evening centered on gratitude and hospitality. This special episode of the Tokens Podcast reflects on over a decade of Thanksgivings spent at the Mother Church of Country Music with some of our favorite performances. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 02 Jul 2020 | 10: Jewish, Yankee Feminist, New Testament Professor: Amy-Jill Levine | 00:30:47 | |
Jewish Vanderbilt Divinity school Professor of New Testament AJ Levine, self-described as a Yankee Feminist, joins Tokens to talk about two of her books; but more, how she once wanted to be the pope, what she does not like about liberal Christians, and a marvelous telling of the parable of the Good Samaritan. LINKS:
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| 11 Nov 2021 | 57: The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer | 01:17:07 | |
“Most people are too busy to live emotionally healthy and spiritually vibrant lives.” In this episode, John Mark Comer discusses the importance of taking seriously spiritual formation in a culture of noise and speed; why willpower cannot do what we want it to do; and practical ways we might find and live the good, the true, and the beautiful. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 12 Aug 2021 | 44: God and Guns: Chris Hays and Carly Crouch | 00:50:46 | |
Not so sure about Christians touting second amendment gun rights? A discussion with the editors of God and Guns: The Bible Against American Gun Culture, who challenge the too-easy pro-gun rhetoric of many American Christians. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 24 Mar 2022 | 67: A Jewish Take on Jesus: AJ Levine | 01:00:28 | |
What do Christians get wrong about Jesus? Prof. AJ Levine discusses common mis-readings of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus’s stance on societal and gender norms, and how “Christian Fragility” impedes one’s ability to listen and learn. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||
| 01 Sep 2022 | 77: The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure: Anna Lembke | 00:58:41 | |
In a culture brimming with wealth, upward social mobility, and endless access to pleasure, why are we only becoming more anxious, depressed, and unsatisfied? Dr. Anna Lembke makes a claim many of us don’t want to hear, though we know to be true: “Every pleasure has a cost, and that cost is pain. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices | |||