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HR, Workforce Automation, and GenAI at Merck: Jeremy Shapiro & Chris Shultz11 Sep 202400:42:31
Jeremy Shapiro, AVP of Human Resources and Workforce Analytics, and Chris Shultz, Director of HR Intelligent Automation and Gen AI at Merck join us in this forward-thinking conversation. Learn how (and why) Merck is embracing AI to streamline HR processes, support innovation, and maintain ethical considerations. This was hugely educational for us and we hope you get a glimpse into the future of HR tech.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • What does the future of HR look like in an AI-driven world? [1:17]
  • How can AI serve as a translator and guide for HR professionals? [7:47]
  • How Merck ensures AI is implemented responsibly [8:51]
  • How Merck leveraging AI for massive efficiency gains in HR [12:45]
  • How Merck determines what AI solutions to build internally [16:54]
  • Can HR keep pushing the efficiency frontier with AI, or is there a limit? [19:19] 
  • How organizations can support the mental well-being of AI engineers [25:16]
  • How ethics play a crucial role in the development of AI [31:12]
  • What key strategies should HR leaders focus on in the next six months? [37:03]

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The Critical Role Data Plays in Skills Development: MetLife’s Emily Hacker and Dan Weiss28 Aug 202400:46:24
Skills data can be used to raise the bar in talent acquisition, implement data-driven learning, make strategic workforce planning decisions, help employees reach career aspirations, and much more. Too many organizations are so glued to the idea of perfection that they won’t implement imperfect programs to gather skills data. Dan Weiss and Emily Hacker believe that this mindset is useless.Your skills data won’t be perfect—but it can still be useful and helpful to employees. They share exactly why in this episode of Workplace Stories. 

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • Join the RedThread Research Community! [2:53] 
  • Learning more about Dan Weiss and Emily Hacker [3:35] 
  • Transforming culture before building infrastructure [9:07] 
  • How the MetLife culture championed the process [13:23] 
  • Their current pilot and the vision for the future [16:40] 
  • The lightning round [25:46] 
  • How to get buy-in from leadership [30:09]
  • The critical role data plays in skills development [33:09] 
  • Their data sources and how they’re using them [36:43] 
  • Where does the data live? [40:43] 
  • The biggest thing Emily and Dan have learned [43:35] 
  • Why Emily and Dan do the work they do [44:26] 

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When Digital Transformation Drives Skills Transformation: Booking.com’s Oliver Drury21 Feb 202400:51:40
When Oliver (Ollie) Drury joined Booking.com, they dove into digital transformation by simplifying their tech stack—and reducing variables—using a middleware to stitch everything together. That enabled them to have a simpler set of variables from which to create their skills ecosystem. Their driving goal was to solve skills for the entire organization. In this conversation, Ollie shares how they’re working to accomplish a skills-based transformation by first focusing on digital transformation.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • Join the RedThread Research Community [5:01]
  • Learn more about Ollie Drury and his work [5:59]
  • Why they’re creating a skills-based organization [7:09]
  • Why they focused on digital transformation first [8:00]
  • How they’re building for reversibility [18:04]
  • Major obstacles they’ve overcome [24:08]
  • How they’re measuring effectiveness [26:08]
  • The lightning round [27:58]
  • Who leads skills at Booking.com? [34:29]
  • Why employees own the skills data [38:05]
  • How culture impacts the journey to skills [42:38]
  • Steering away from the reward use case [47:53]
  • The biggest thing Ollie’s learned [49:35]
  • Why Ollie is passionate about this work [50:22]

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Company Culture is the Foundation for Skills Readiness: Executive Networks’ Gina Jeneroux07 Feb 202400:53:46
According to Gina Jeneroux, company culture sets the foundation for skills readiness. If a company culture isn’t supportive of innovation and creativity, is it ready to support an initiative to focus on skills? Skills should be infused into everything you do in your organization and supported from the top down. Gina has spent almost 40 years in the financial services and learning industries. She spent the last few years running BMO’s corporate university and serving as Chief Learning Officer. In this conversation, she shares why a focus on skills is necessary, why company culture plays an important role, and how to get buy-in from company leadership.You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

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The Skills Odyssey IV: Opening Arguments06 Feb 202400:10:45
Welcome to the newest season of Workplace Stories. It will come as no surprise that we’re devoting season 11 to continuing our conversation around skills. Why? Because there are still questions to be answered. In these opening arguments, we’ll share the questions we’re being asked, what we’re looking forward to, and we’ll give you a sneak-peak of some of the amazing guests we’ll be having conversations with.



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A Skills Approach for the Present and Future: IEEE’s Jennifer Rogers06 Dec 202300:56:06
Jennifer Rogers is the Executive Officer in the Learning Technology Standards Committee at the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), which has 427,000+ members in over 190 countries. The IEEE is the world’s largest trade organization and the professional home for engineering and technology communities worldwide. Jennifer is an unrelenting advocate for the potential that exists in others, which is why she’s a perfect fit at IEEE. IEEE is working together to figure out skills across an industry. They’re also focused on skills development and education at all levels through college and a professional career. In this conversation, Jennifer shares what a skills-based organization looks like, how they organize and validate skills, and how their approach focuses on both the present and future.
Leveraging Generative AI to Efficiently Utilize Skills Data: McKinsey & Company’s Yelena Mammadova, Ed.D22 Nov 202300:48:59
According to Yelena Mammadova, Ed.D—the Associate Director of Learning, Skills Transformation Initiative at McKinsey—McKinsey seeks to bring impact to clients and create an organization where they attract, excite, and retain exceptional people. The primary goal of her department is to accelerate talent development. Yelena strives to connect human development and technology in her role. She is one our first guests who’s talked about generative AI and how it’s embedded into their skills effort. They’re using AI to connect and map skills information.

Secondly, they’re integrating skills with their people analytics teams. They’re starting small and experimenting. Most organizations build skills models around the job architecture currently in place. McKinsey is taking a different approach. They’re developing assessments for skills so they know how to organize the people around the work they have.

Learn more about their unique approach and their utilization of generative AI to father and efficiently utilize skills data in this conversation.

Narrowing Scope & Purpose to Ease the Transition to a Skills-Based Organization: HPE's Kaye Slay and Vandana Bhagtani08 Nov 202300:49:58
Transitioning a large company like Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) to a skills-based organization could be a daunting task. That’s why focusing on scope and purpose was an important place to start for Vandana Bhagtani and Kaye Slay. In this conversation, Vandana—The Director of Technical Talent Management—and Kaye—The User Experience and Adoption Lead for Talent and Learning Systems—share how they’ve worked together to develop a strategy for transitioning HPE to a skills-based organization. They also share why they chose to focus on a particular group and narrowed their scope further to talent acquisition and people development (all the while leveraging technology and AI). They’re at the start of their journey and will evolve and develop as they transition to a skills-based organization.



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Partnerships Focused on Learning Equity: Ingka Group’s Shannon Custard25 Oct 202300:48:36
Shannon Custard—the Global Competence Development Manager at Ingka Group—is responsible for leading their global learning organization consisting of over 177,000 workers across 30+ countries globally.

As they began the transition from a competence-based to a skills-based organization, Shannon wanted to focus first and foremost on frontline populations. They believe that frontline population learning equity is important and often neglected. So they focused on solving the skills problems for the frontline employees to then extrapolate to the corporate population.

Through the process, they almost completely scrapped and redesigned their onboarding process to make sure the frontline team members had the skills necessary to be successful. When you help people reach success soon, it makes an impact.

In this conversation, Shannon shares more about the process of transitioning to a skills-based organization, why the Ingka Group believes it’s important, and the impact it’s making on their frontline population.

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Creating a Job Architecture from Scratch: Megan Bickle11 Oct 202300:49:35
Megan Bickle is the Director of Culture, Employee Engagement and Employee Listening at Western Digital. In Megan’s experience, roles can be viewed as a collection of skills. Viewing roles this way allows organizations to be more responsive to the evolving needs of the business in terms of the skills needed for development and hiring. Megan believes that job architecture is essential to becoming a skills-based organization. Skills were a part of their overall integrated talent management strategy, infused throughout the organization. Capability models and job structures were built in tandem. In this conversation, Megan shares her experience building a skills-based organization as the Global Talent Management and Organizational Development Leader at GE Digital.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • Learning more about Megan Bickle [4:45]
  • What a skills-based organization is [6:03]
  • Why job architecture is important in skills-based organizations [9:04]
  • How a capabilities-based architecture works in practice [18:06]
  • Accounting for the evolution of the skills themselves [22:13]
  • How learning/development dovetails into talent practices [24:34]
  • Managing the ownership of the architecture [28:19]
  • The lightning round [33:07]
  • How the skills effort evolves over time/lessons learned [36:48]
  • How people analytics were involved in the process [39:30]
  • The strategy for assessing employee skills [42:37]
  • Why Megan does the work she does [48:32]

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The Skills Odyssey III: Opening Arguments27 Sep 202300:16:28
The world of skills is evolving rapidly thanks to technology and data which is why we are devoting yet another season to the skills odyssey. In these opening arguments, you’ll hear how we’ll shape the season, why we’re focusing on skills again, who you can expect to listen to, and what we are most looking forward to. Press play to start a new season of Workplace Stories.

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Developing Skills to Reach Business Outcomes: Learning Forum’s Brian Hackett and Richardson Consulting’s Brian Richardson27 Sep 202300:52:50
The importance of creating skills-based organizations is no longer a theoretical discussion: it’s now a practical reality. To ensure that businesses reach their desired outcomes, it is necessary to ensure that their workforce has the skills needed to get the job done.

Brian Richardson and Brian Hackett are deeply entrenched in helping business leaders discuss and develop the skills initiatives needed to improve their organizations’ metrics.

In this in-the-weeds discussion, we learn from both Brians’ breadth of experience to hear what it takes for businesses to bring skill building to the forefront.
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Operationalizing AI Experimentation: Harvard Business Publishing’s Angela Cheng-Cimini14 Aug 202400:43:51
Generative AI is taking the world by storm, and the realm of HR is no exception. The use of AI will change a business and it will impact teams. That’s why Angela Cheng-Cimini seeks to answer the question, “How do you make sure your teams are positively impacted by AI?”A lot of the conversation starts with mitigating the fear that surrounds AI. Angela believes one of the ways you can get people to run toward generative AI is to create a safe environment where they can play with it and be amazed by its capabilities. Then, they’ll want to integrate it into their work. In this conversation, Angela shares how—as the CHRO—she’s operationalizing AI experimentation at Harvard Business Publishing. Because, ultimately, “AI is not going to replace humans. But humans will be replaced by humans who use AI.”

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • Learn more about Angela Cheng-Cimini and her role [3:31] 
  • The issues Angela is facing in her organization [5:49] 
  • Using AI to help with the employee experience [9:51] 
  • The Gen AI experiment that Angela ran [13:27] 
  • The impact of Gen AI on recruiting[16:06] 
  • How to take advantage of AI [18:59] 
  • How to justify the expense of AI [22:30] 
  • The ethical use of AI in organizations [24:16] 
  • Influencing broader AI enablement strategy [26:37] 
  • The lightning round [28:19] 
  • HR’s role in integrating AI into the workforce [31:11] 
  • How to operationalize experimentation [34:00] 
  • Angela’s advice to leaders using Gen AI [36:00]
  • Angela’s biggest takeaway from the AI journey [40:34]
  • Why is Angela passionate about HR? [41:28] 


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Transitioning from a Training Culture to a Learning Culture: Sobeys’ Peter Tulumello 23 Aug 202300:47:29
Peter Tulumello is changing the culture at one of Canada’s largest grocery retailers. As a grocery chain, Sobeys has a large segment of frontline workers and with it, their own unique pain points.

To understand the problems that the frontline faces, Peter recognized that he needed to get into the stores to understand frontline workers’ day-to-day roles. Listen to this interview to hear how Peter identified major problems and came up with valuable solutions.


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Developing the Frontline: General Mills’ Valerie Digman09 Aug 202300:45:59
What happens when a mechanical engineer tackles an L&D problem? A completely redesigned learning environment.

On this episode of Workplace Stories, we interview General Mills’ Valerie Digman. Valerie describes how she helped solve a frontline training problem and improved efficiency by 5%.

If you’re interested in improving efficiency and rethinking traditional training methods, you won’t want to miss this interview. Press play to learn from Valerie’s experience at General Mills.
You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • The work she does [4:32]
  • The difference between [6:15]
  • Problem-solving [9:48]
  • Process of problem-solving [15:28]
  • Lightning round [21:06]
  • Strategy to gain 5% in efficiency [23:03]
  • What they learned [29:38]
  • Their biggest challenges [30:48]
  • How to apply more broadly [32:52]
  • Working with union vs nonunion [36:46]
  • What’s next [39:25]
  • Resources for senior leaders [41;50]
  • Valerie’s biggest learning experience [43:48]
  • Why Valerie does what she does [45:10]
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Listening to Frontliners Through Business and Cultural Change: Acuity Brands John Brothers26 Jul 202300:38:57
We’re all humans, so the needs of workers are similar across the board. John Brothers has learned this from his time as VP of Talent at Acuity.

On today’s episode of Workplace Stories, John recounts his experience working through Acuity’s cultural and business mindset shift and how that has affected the frontline workforce and beyond.


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Improving the Employee Experience with Different Types of Frontline Workers: Rotana’s Andrew Wolhuter12 Jul 202300:53:10
Improving the employee experience starts with data. Rotana’s Andrew Wolhunter understands that and uses Rotana’s qualitative data to retain frontline workers in a competitive market.

Andrew has an enthusiasm and infectious energy that he not only shares with his coworkers at Rotana, but he also shares this excitement with us on today’s episode. Listen in to learn how Andrew is using data to lead the change in the employee experience at Rotana.


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Gaining Insightful Feedback from Frontline Workers: Cargill’s Tabatha Cronin28 Jun 202300:48:37
Frontline workers face unique challenges so organizations are making changes to empower them. On this season of Workplace Stories, we’re exploring the unique challenges and positive situations happening on the frontline.

On this episode, we chat with Tabatha Cronin to learn how Cargill is supporting its massive frontline labor force. Listen in to learn how Cargill dug in to understand the motivations driving their employees. You won’t want to miss how this changed the way the company approached its solutions.


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Creating Purposeful, Collaborative, Tactical Work on the Frontline: SAP’s Steve Hunt14 Jun 202300:50:04
Frontline workers can have an outsized influence on the success of an organization. They are often the only interface our customers have with a brand. At RedThread Research, we have been diving into how to support frontline workers more holistically which is why this season we are focusing on the unique challenges that frontline workers face. We’ll also explore the changes organizations are making to empower them, as well as the good things happening on the frontline and how organizations can adapt those practices more broadly.In this episode, we welcome Steve Hunt from SAP. Steve has a unique perspective based on his work as an organizational psychologist in the technology space. This discussion was a fantastic way to open the conversation and sets the bar high for the rest of the season. Don’t miss it; press play now to listen.

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The Frontline: Opening Arguments14 Jun 202300:17:58
Welcome back to our ninth season! We are excited about these upcoming episodes. In this season, Stacia and I focus on the frontline by discussing frontline workers with thought leaders from many organizations across various industries.

Frontline workers have typically been a part of the workforce that has been swept under the rug, but during the pandemic, they were thrust to the forefront of people’s minds.

In this season, we’ll discuss how to define a frontline worker, how to lead them, how to engage with them, and how to help them plan their career path.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • Why we chose this topic for our 9th season [2:32]
  • What frontline workers are [3:38]
  • What has shifted for frontline workers [8:10]
  • Themes of this season [10:10]
  • What we’re looking forward to learning [13:12]
  • How this season aligns with our research [16:26]
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Creating Intentional Leadership: AAFP’s Paula Matthews11 Apr 202300:44:45
A lot has changed for managers and organizations over the last three years. So, what can be done to successfully navigate those changes so that managers can be successful and organizations can continue to thrive?

The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) is designing a new framework for their managers to help them better understand what they can be doing to intentionally lead their staff.

This inspiring conversation with Paula Matthews from AAFP is a fantastic way to wrap up our Making Managing Manageable series.

If you are just wrapping up season eight, now is a great time to subscribe to the podcast. You can get even more RedThread content by joining our membership community. Try it out for free for seven days to see what we’re all about!You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • The rapid-fire questions [5:32]
  • Paula’s role at AAFP [9:17]
  • What has changed for managers over the last three years [10:10]
  • What managers will return to [14:00]
  • What sets good managers and not-so-good managers apart [15:40]
  • Why managers are struggling today [18:24]
  • AAFP’s new manager framework [20:20]
  • How they implement their training framework [26:25]
  • How to empower employees to take control of their tasks [27:33]
  • The lightning round questions [34:19]
  • The role of leadership development [35:45]
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Questioning Convention in the Workplace: Moderna’s Noah Rabinowitz and Nkiruka Ogbuchiekwe28 Mar 202300:53:40
In this episode of Workplace Stories we talked to Moderna’s Noah Rabinowitz and Nkiruka Ogbuchiekwe. We explore ways that managers and other leaders can question conventionality by recognizing and thinking through false dichotomies. Listen in to hear how Moderna is building its systems by putting its company culture first and by constantly questioning traditional ways of doing things.


https://redthreadresearch.com/podcast/questioning-convention-in-the-workplace-modernas-noah-rabinowitz-and-nkiruka-ogbuchiekwe/


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How Organizations Can Make Data-Driven Changes that Benefit Everyone: Affirm’s Kaitlyn Mathews14 Mar 202300:54:27
On this episode of Workplace Stories, Affirm’s Feedback and Development Lead, Kaitlyn Mathews, describes how her organization uses its data to drive changes within the company. Kaitlyn also touches on their delivery systems, the HR relationship with managers, using tech to strategize, and how she uses her role to help others realize their capabilities.

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Debunking the Proposed Half-Life of a Skill: Guild Education’s Matthew Daniel31 Jul 202400:45:19
Matthew Daniel—the Senior Principal for Talent Strategy and Mobility at Guild Education—believes that, in a workplace context, skills are the things we know, can do, and the ways of thinking that help us deliver on business strategy. They are rich, deep, complex, and meaningful.Matthew believes that the “Half-life” statistic that’s been perpetuated about workplace skills is garbage. In this conversation, he details exactly why the half-life of a skill being 2 ½ to 5 years is faulty logic and how we should view skills differently. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...
  • How to join the RedThread Research community [3:16]
  • Learn more about Matthew Daniel [3:52] 
  • The half-life of a workplace skill [6:57] 
  • The history of the false statistic [13:20] 
  • How this statistic has influenced decisions [20:29] 
  • The importance of critical thinking [24:18] 
  • The lightning round [31:15] 
  • How Matthew talks about skills [34:23] 
  • Durable versus perishable skills [38:27]
  • Skills as an equalizer in organizations [40:55] 
  • The big takeaway from Matthew’s research [43:28] 

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Building Connection and Community Through Leadership: WGU’s Sara Reed28 Feb 202300:47:53
In this conversation, we speak to Sara Reed, Vice President of People and Talent at Western Governors University. We discuss what struck her about what senior leadership is doing to support managers within her organization, how building connections and community actually helps to support accountability, and why it is important to analyze the reasons that people choose to lead.

https://redthreadresearch.com/podcast/building-connection-and-community-through-leadership-wgus-sara-reed/

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How to Build Systems to Enhance the Manager Experience: Morningstar’s Mary Slaughter14 Feb 202300:44:20
Mary brings years of experience to Morningstar and on this episode of Workplace Stories, she explains how the manager and employee experiences are tied together. As you listen, you’ll be fascinated by the way that Morningstar conducted research to identify and define concrete sentiments that would improve the employee experience.

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Innovative Ways to Support Managers So They Can Lead Effectively: NVA's Clint Kofford31 Jan 202300:51:54
Clint Kofford, the Vice President of Talent with National Veterinary Associates, has a unique perspective on what it means to be a leader in today’s changing landscape. With extensive experience in numerous multinational companies, Clint is a thought leader in this space. His fascinating viewpoints caused us both to stop and think and even changed our minds about certain issues. Press play to hear what they are and to see if his views might broaden your perspective.

https://redthreadresearch.com/podcast/innovative-ways-to-support-managers-so-they-can-lead-effectively-nvas-clint-kofford/

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Making Managing Manageable: Opening Arguments 31 Jan 202300:13:08
A scene-setter for our latest set of Workplace Stories—listen as we focus on what it actually means to be a manager in 2023.

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If You Don’t Have The Data, You Can’t Do The EX: Workday’s Phil Willburn27 Dec 202200:59:17
Phil Willburn—our Season Sponsor Workday’s Vice President, People Analytics—makes a very welcome second appearance on ‘Workplace Stories,’ where he shares genuinely useful EX best practice. Does he have the definitive answer to our question, Evolution or Revolution? Listen to decide.
Yes, Even EX Has To Be Systematized: Marriott International's Jessica Lee13 Dec 202201:05:03
Jessica Lee, SVP of Global Talent Development at Marriott International & The Ritz-Carlton Leadership Center, shares her insights into how to create a consistent and supportive EX across the hotel giant’s 30-plus brands.
Why We Need to Rip Out and Replace the Employee Experience: Meta’s Kelly Monahan29 Nov 202200:53:12
If Meta wants us all to work at least some of the time in a Metaverse, it probably wants to figure out what the right Employee Experience is to get there. Kelly Monahan's making sure that happens.
Why Both Little ‘E’ and Big ‘E’ Employee Experience Count: Eskalera’s Dane Holmes15 Nov 202200:52:40
Former Goldman CPO Dane Holmes wants to remind us all of a huge truth: processes may end—but people don’t (you don’t stop learning once you’ve completed your module). So why don’t we look at Employee Experience that way?
Why Learning Is the Engine of Employee Experience: Walmart’s Brandon Carson01 Nov 202200:42:31
For Vice President of Learning and Leadership at Walmart Brandon Carson, the systems we put in place ARE the employee experience. And if we want to change that, we need to help not just the cognitive worker, but that often-neglected other constituency in the EX debate—their physical worker equivalents.
You Can't Change EX Without Understanding People: Author Ashley Goodall18 Oct 202200:54:49
For leadership expert and author Ashley Goodall, we get the employee experience consistently wrong because we just don’t want to look at the way humans really are out-of-the-box. Is he right?
The Problem with Change: Author Ashley Goodall17 Jul 202400:55:39
Ashley Goodall has spent 20 years in various roles in HR, covering everything from performance management to leadership. He spent six years at Cisco as the SVP of HR. He left Cisco to write his book, “The Problem with Change,” which was just released. In it, he addresses the problems that accompany change. 

To write his book, Ashley interviewed people around the world, asking them to tell their stories of organizational change. Many people told miserable stories, stories of unending change propelled by mergers, new leadership, new strategies, and much more—much of it unnecessary. What was the result?

People were struggling to do their jobs because of the constant change. Yet organizations are rewarding leaders to do things that make it hard for their employees to do their work! That’s a problem, right? So, what should we do instead?

We have to understand the conditions of human performance to understand how we can “do” change better. Ashley begins to dissect that complicated yet fascinating topic in this episode of Workplace Stories.

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  • Join the RedThread Community [1:34]
  • Why you should listen to Ashley Goodall [4:49] 
  • What is the problem with change? [7:09]
  • Why Ashley wrote another book about change [10:34]
  • The problems that accompany change [12:45] 
  • Looking at meaning and purpose differently [18:53] 
  • The story of Alexander the Great [23:38] 
  • The connection between meaning and ritual [25:29] 
  • We need to stop treating humans like “SKUmans” [29:10]
  • The lightning round [33:08]
  • Getting good at stability management [36:38] 
  • What we can learn from “the pistols” [39:59]
  • How to create belonging on your team [44:21]
  • Focusing on your teams to create stability [45:43] 
  • Learning how to radicalize HR [48:53] 
  • Ashley’s biggest takeaway from writing a book [53:11] 
The problems that accompany change 

Ashley addresses five core problem areas that accompany change: 
  1. Uncertainty
  2. Lack of control 
  3. Lack of belonging 
  4. Displacement
  5. Loss of meaning
The feeling of belonging is intuitive. Humans form social groups. Those groups are massively important to psychological health, sense of identity, and cognitive processes. The way we think is socially mediated. A team gives you a sense of belonging. It’s a source of massive stability.

 Teammates complement each other so together they can meet a goal that couldn’t be achieved alone. When reorganization happens, all of the social groups at work are upended. In his book, Ashley also dove into the science of “place attachment.” People get attached to places. Place is a thing strongly tied to work. But there’s also a connection between ritual and place.

Our habits are a mechanism by which we grow attached to a place. Habits and rituals tied to place have people saying “It’s where I do this” or “It’s where we do this.” When offices are changed or people are moved, you disrupt the rituals attached to that place.

Those places are a source of stability. And for people to do their best work, they need stability. All of these facets of a human—certainty, control, social groups, sense of place, ritual—are the foundation of showing up at work and being useful. Everyone wants to be useful. How we design the workplace hinges on these things.

Ashley is clear: “Sooner or later you have to ask people what they want and listen to what they tell you.”

How Ashley looks at meaning differently

Ashley points out that the world around us must make sense. You can’t be uplifted by the mission of an organization if you can’t figure out what the mission is. Science tells us that the coherence of our world is so important that when it’s taken away in one place, we find it in another.

There are two ingredients to meaning:
  1. Things have to make sense (which is shredded when things are changed)
  2. You need to find your own purpose. Someone can’t tell you what your purpose is 
We encounter the world and question, “Do I understand what’s going on here? Is this something that speaks to me?” If it does and someone asks if your work has meaning, you’ll say “yes.” Unfortunately, people think everyone around them has to have the same meaning. It doesn’t work like that. As much as they dislike it, employers aren’t massively important to someone’s purpose.

We need to stop treating humans like “SKUmans”

What characteristics of humans do we capture in our technology at work? How does that inform how we think about people at work? We track the “cogs in a machine” stuff. We record names, date of birth, someone’s role, their certifications and experience, etc. but we don’t record what amuses someone, what makes them smile, and the weird things they love to do. Maybe they’re always late for meetings, love to bake, or love creating spreadsheets.

If you think humans are interchangeable and emotionless beings, how would you describe them? As a “SKU” number. SKUs are stock-keeping units. They track what something costs, where it is in the store, what the margin is, etc. We’ve been doing the same to humans. And that’s massively inhuman. We can’t capture human work this way. How might we capture a human at work?

Ashley argues for getting better at understanding what people are like at work. It’s about asking questions like, “How are you offering your best to other humans? Why did you show up today?”

Now that we’ve covered the problems with change, how do we address them? Ashley shares how stability management just might be the key (and how to navigate it) in this episode.

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