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| Geometry vs. Geography: Massimo Vignelli’s 1972 New York City Subway Map | 07 Oct 2024 | 00:45:25 | |
Hosts Thamer Abanami and Albert Shum explore the tale of Massimo Vignelli’s 1972 New York City Subway Map. Vignelli's design was celebrated for its modernist brilliance yet heavily critiqued for its practical shortcomings. Here, Thamer and Albert delve into the tension between geometric abstraction and geographic accuracy, examining how Vignelli’s map became both a milestone and a lesson in design history. Take a deep dive into the complexities of designing for large-scale systems. This episode explores the importance of finding a delicate balance between aesthetic innovation and practical functionality, emphasizing the importance of user-centered design and iterative processes. Take away valuable lessons for engineers, designers, and systems thinkers on the profound impact that design and client decisions can have on user experience and social progress.
RESOURCES Harry Beck’s London Underground Map Understand the pioneering design that influenced transit maps worldwide. Massimo Vignelli’s 1972 Subway Map Explore the original design that sparked both acclaim and controversy. Hertz and Associates 1978 Subway Map Explore the 1978 successor to the Vignelli map and foundation of today’s NYC Subway Map The Subway Map that Rattled New Yorkers, The New York Times The New York Times’ take on the Vignelli map controversy. Helvetica and The New York Subway System, by Paul Shaw A detailed exploration of the history and evolution of signage in the New York City subway system. The book examines the complex interplay between design, politics, and public perception in shaping the visual identity of one of the world's most iconic public transportation systems. The New York Subway Map Debate, Edited by Gary Hustwit A book containing the full transcript of the New York Subway Map debate from the newly discovered tape, along with new interviews with surviving participants John Tauranac, Peter Laundy, Arline Bronzaft, and more.
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| The List | 01 Oct 2024 | 00:03:37 | |
In this introductory trailer to With Intent Season 3, hosts Thamer Abanami and Albert Shum introduce themselves as this year’s Latham Fellows at the Institute of Design at Illinois Tech. They share their excitement about co-hosting the podcast and reflect on their 15-year professional partnership, including their collaborative work on a broad range of design projects and their previous podcast, The Design Vault. Their longstanding relationship sets the stage for insightful discussions on design and its impact on society. The hosts outline the themes and focus for the upcoming season, which will explore designs featured in ID’s list of 100 Great Designs of Modern Times, published with Fortune magazine in 2020. They will delve into topics centered around innovation, responsible design, social impact, and scalability. By using notable designs as a backdrop—such as Zipline’s drone-based logistics platform (2014, #69), Massimo Vignelli’s New York City Subway Map (1972, #28), the ClearRx prescription bottle redesign (#36, 2005), the OXO Good Grips Peeler (1990, #6), LifeStraw water filters (2005, #53), and the Raspberry Pi computer (2012, #54)—they foster deeper conversations about design principles and the unexpected insights embedded within these creations. RESOURCES ID: 100 Great Designs of Modern Times Published in 2020 by Fortune magazine, this list was created after the Institute of Design conducted an extensive survey of various professionals in the design field to identify designs widely regarded as exceptional. This season of With Intent discusses six designs from the list. Fortune: Article: The Greatest Designs of Modern Times What does it take to become a design icon? There‘s more to it than good looks. These 100 products have made our lives simpler, better, and yes, more stylish. Video: The Greatest Designs of Modern Times An introduction to the list and the designs included in it say about how design is evolving in business. Thamer and Albert’s podcast series about the stories and lessons behind iconic products from the past.
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| Faith and permanence with Jon Veal | 16 Nov 2021 | 00:35:05 | |
Jon Veal is co-founder of alt_, an organization that focuses on the power of community. The alt_ market is the organization's flagship program. Their first market transformed an abandoned space into a communal free market, encouraging community members to give, take, and take care of one another.
Jon talks about how serving his community and making art come together for him, the importance of faith in his work, and the planning he and his co-founder, Jordan Campbell, have done to help secure their organization's longevity. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| Social arrangements with Kenneth Bailey | 09 Nov 2021 | 00:38:33 | |
Kenneth Bailey, co-founder of the Design Studio for Social Intervention (DS4SI), and co-author of Ideas, Arrangements, Effects, talks about his approach to building a better possible world. Talking about specific projects like Public Kitchen, as well as the thinking and pragmatism shared in his book, Kenneth presents an approach to building that new world.
As he sees it, one must go beyond the problems we see and experience every day to understand the systems, infrastructures, or "arrangements" that underpin them. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| Innovation communities with Michela Magas | 02 Nov 2021 | 00:48:22 | |
Michela Magas has had a nonlinear career path driven by a focus on bringing people together to make deliberate decisions that enable long-term creativity and innovation. Those decisions may reside in the realm of intellectual property, as in the Industry Commons, or music technology, as in the case of MTF (Music Tech Fest).
Michela talks about how to foster innovation by bringing people from disparate fields together, why nonlinear career paths are the way forward, and the kind of skills people need for navigating our changing world. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| Understanding "beautiful" with Ruth Reichstein | 26 Oct 2021 | 00:29:37 | |
Episode 5 of With Intent is available now. Ruth Reichstein is part of the European Commission’s Presidential Advisory Board on the New European Bauhaus, or NEB, which was developed to help the EU achieve the goals set forth in its Europe Green Deal.
The NEB aims to make Europe the first climate-neutral continent by 2050. We at IIT Institute of Design (The New Bauhaus) announced our partnership with the New European Bauhaus earlier this year. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| An equitable economy with Richard Wallace | 19 Oct 2021 | 00:33:58 | |
An organizer in Chicago for more than a decade, Richard Wallace, founder and executive director of EAT (Equity and Transformation), is focused on supporting Black informal workers—people like George Floyd, who are boxed out of the formal economy. Richard explains the historic rivalry between Hispanic and Black informal workers, his confidence in democracy, the reasons we have an informal economy in the first place, and why the informal economy is tied to issues of equity and race. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech Discover programs and resources on design and systems thinking.
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| Prescribing food with Rita Nguyen | 12 Oct 2021 | 00:31:05 | |
Last week we talked about technology as medicine. This week: food as medicine.
Rita Nguyen, Assistant Health Officer at the San Francisco Department of Public Health and founder of the Food as Medicine Collaborative, explains why doctors should be able to prescribe food—and why the healthcare system should pay for it. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| Technology as medicine with Tope Sadiku | 05 Oct 2021 | 00:27:52 | |
As Global Head of Employee Digital Experience at the Kraft Heinz Company, Tope Sadiku describes herself as a corporate doctor. To extend the metaphor: her patients are Kraft employees, and her medicine is technology. Tope considers the evolving employee experience—really, how an employee spends their everyday—and how technology can enhance it. Tope is a 2021 Latham fellow at the Institute of Design. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech Discover programs and resources on design and systems thinking.
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| Utopianism and technology with Morgan Ames | 28 Sep 2021 | 00:45:17 | |
In the first episode of With Intent, Kristin Gecan talks to Morgan Ames, author of The Charisma Machine, about One Laptop Per Child—a hugely ambitious, or as Morgan defines it, charismatic—project with good intentions: to bring a laptop to every child in the developing world. We talk about why that project failed, how it connects to utopianism, and what design might learn from it all. Morgan is a 2021 Latham fellow at the Institute of Design. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech Discover programs and resources on design and systems thinking.
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| With Intent — Season 1 Trailer | 28 Sep 2021 | 00:01:04 | |
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| Where Must Design Go Next? | 22 Mar 2023 | 00:37:57 | |
In the final episode of our second season of With Intent, Jarrett Fuller asks ID Dean Anijo Mathew, Where Must Design Go Next?Anijo discusses ID’s pioneering history and where it’s headed next—summarizing ID’s four eras, defining what he calls Design Plus, and contextualizing the three forces acting on design today and where they will lead us.
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| How Can Design Make the Biggest Impact? | 15 Mar 2023 | 00:43:28 | |
In the fifth episode of our second season of With Intent, Jarrett Fuller asks ID Associate Professor of Environmental Management and Sustainability Weslynne Ashton and Associate Professor of Design for Technology and Society John Payne, How Can Design Make the Biggest Impact?
“In the business world and in the government space, people often look around the world for ideas to select and decide on—as opposed to create. The mindset of the designer is that we are going to get together and create something.
—John Payne
Weslynne and John discuss working in the private versus the public sector, systems design, service design, why design isn’t just problem solving, and where design is headed next.
“We're in a yet unnamed era of design, that is more civic-engaged, that is thinking more about how do we tackle these bigger problems than developing a product or developing a service for particular client. We're going to see more and more people going throughout their careers between public and private sector.
—Weslynne Ashton
Jarrett Fuller, host of Scratching the Surface, is the 2022–23 Latham fellow at the Institute of Design and hosts With Intent this season.
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| Why Is Design Always Talking About Complexity? | 08 Mar 2023 | 00:39:59 | |
In the fourth episode of our second season of With Intent, Jarret Fuller asks ID Associate Professor of Healthcare Design and Design Methods Kim Erwin and Associate Professor of Civic and Community Design Maura Shea, Why Is Design Always Talking About Complexity?
Kim and Maura discuss making change in large communities and systems through asset-based community development, the value of modeling complex systems, and what a designer’s creative output looks like today.
Jarrett Fuller, host of Scratching the Surface, is the 2022–23 Latham fellow at the Institute of Design and hosts With Intent this season. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| What If Human-Centered Design Isn’t Enough? | 01 Mar 2023 | 00:41:17 | |
In the third episode of our second season of With Intent, Jarrett Fuller asks ID Associate Professor of Behavioral Design Ruth Schmidt and Charles L. Owen Professor of Systems Design Carlos Teixeira, What If Human-Centered Design Isn’t Enough? Ruth and Carlos discuss the capabilities and limits of human-centered design, the concept of humanity-centered design, and how the evolving role design plays in our organizations and corporations will shape our collective future. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| How Do You Teach Design for Tomorrow? | 22 Feb 2023 | 00:36:59 | |
The second episode of our second season of With Intent asks ID Associate Dean Matt Mayfield and Assistant Professor Zach Pino, How Do You Teach Design for Tomorrow? Matt and Zach discuss ID’s ever-evolving curriculum, the relationship of design to art, how students learn about technology at ID, the recent “seismic shift” in students’ goals, and challenges and opportunities of a field in flux.
Jarrett Fuller, host of Scratching the Surface, is the 2022–23 Latham fellow at the Institute of Design and the hosts With Intent this season.
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| How Does Someone Become A Designer? | 15 Feb 2023 | 00:32:40 | |
Jarrett Fuller asks, How does someone become a designer? in the first episode of Season Two of With Intent. This episode features Tomoko Ichikawa, Associate Professor of Visual Communication, and Marty Thaler, Associate Professor of Product Design. Tomoko and Marty discuss ID's Foundation sequence—possibly the strongest tie that ID has today with its history as The New Bauhaus. (Foundation at ID makes it possible for nondesigners to enter our graduate school.) Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| Hope and action with Mushon Zer-Aviv | 30 Nov 2021 | 00:50:27 | |
Mushon Zer-Aviv is an activist, artist, and designer. He's currently at work on devising new ways of understanding change and the future—ways that account for the limits of forecasting and consider the "darkness" of the future as a place for hope and possibility.
He also discusses systemic bias, the value of small talk, his appreciation for Rebecca Solnit, Naomi Klein, and Milton Friedman, and how his work brings provocation and action together. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| Meaningful work with Marina Gorbis | 23 Nov 2021 | 00:44:51 | |
Marina Gorbis is executive director of the Institute for the Future, a place where business executives, policymakers, nonprofits, and others use foresight and futuring techniques to make better long-term decisions. For example, you might work with the Institute for the Future to anticipate and be able to plan for a worldwide pandemic.
In fact, Marina worked on just such a project years before COVID hit. Now that the pandemic is real, interest in futuring has spiked. Marina talks about what futuring is and the trends she's seeing—in particular, how our relationship with work is changing. She also talks about how she defines value creation, that project that anticipated the pandemic, and her current project, the Equitable Enterprise Initiative. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech
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| LifeStraw: Revolutionizing Safe Water Access Through Innovative Design | 15 Oct 2024 | 00:28:18 | |
In this episode of the With Intent podcast byIIT's Institute of Design, hosts Thamer Abanami and Albert Shum welcome LifeStraw CEO Alison Hill. They discuss how LifeStraw was borne out of innovative technology and a unique business model that balances profit with purpose. Key Points:
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| Raspberry Pi: Success in Education Where Others Failed | 22 Oct 2024 | 00:38:08 | |
Hosts Thamer Abanami and Albert Shum delve into the creation of Raspberry Pi—a $35, credit card-sized computer that has revolutionized technology education and sparked innovation worldwide. They explore the origins of the Raspberry Pi, its foundational design principles, its profound impact on education and industry, and why it succeeded where other educational technologies struggled. Joined by special guest Sheryl Cababa, Chief Strategy Officer at Optimistic Design and author of Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers, the conversation expands to discuss approaches for designing for educational outcomes, including the topics of stakeholder-centered design, the pitfalls of techno-determinism, and the importance of designing with marginalized communities in mind. This episode sheds light on how a small team of visionaries created a low-cost, versatile computing platform that reignited interest in computer science education and empowered a global community of innovators. The discussion underscores the importance of affordability, accessibility, stakeholder engagement, and a clear mission in developing impactful technological solutions. Key TopicsThe Origins of Raspberry Pi
Design Principles of Raspberry Pi
Impact on Education and Community
Lessons from Other Educational Tech Initiatives
Insights from Sheryl Cababa
Sustainability and Business Model
Future Implications and Applications
Additional Resources Raspberry Pi Foundation- Learn more about their mission, educational resources, and how to get involved. “Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers” by Sheryl Cababa- Explore insights on applying systems thinking in design to create sustainable and impactful solutions. With Intent Season 1 Episode 1: Utopianism and Technology with Morgan Ames- In the debut episode of "With Intent," Kristin Gecan interviews Morgan Ames about the One Laptop Per Child project, exploring its ambitious but ultimately unsuccessful attempt to provide laptops to children in developing countries. The discussion examines the project's failure, its connection to utopianism, and potential lessons for the field of design. Sheryl Cababa: Designing For A More Equitable World with Systems Thinking- The 2024 Lucas J. Daniel Lecture in Sustainable Systems at the Institute of Design. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech Discover programs and resources on design and systems thinking.
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| Zipline: Disrupting Logistics with Autonomous Drones | 29 Oct 2024 | 00:33:12 | |
Hosts Thamer Abanami and Albert Shum explore how Zipline is addressing critical gaps in healthcare delivery through the use of autonomous drones. Especially in underserved rural areas, where timely access to medical supplies can mean the difference between life and death, Zipline's iterative approach to widening healthcare access has made real impact. The discussion highlights the key elements of Zipline’s success: their culture of ruthless practicality, their focus on simple, cost-effective solutions rather than theoretical perfection, and the role that partnerships with governments, like Rwanda’s, played in scaling their operations.
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| ClearRx: Designer as Entrepreneur | 12 Nov 2024 | 00:34:11 | |
Hosts Thamer Abanami and Albert Shum explore the revolutionary Clear RX prescription packaging system, created by designer Deborah Adler. What began as a personal experience with her grandparents' medication mix-up evolved into a groundbreaking design that transformed how medications are dispensed in America. The episode reveals how thoughtful design thinking, strategic partnerships, and persistence can create meaningful impact in healthcare. Through an engaging conversation with Deborah Adler herself, this episode uncovers how a designer's entrepreneurial spirit, combined with deep observational insights and strategic collaboration, can overcome complex regulatory challenges to bring innovative solutions to market. Key TopicsThe Genesis of Clear RX
Design Evolution & Features
Strategic Implementation
Beyond Clear RX
Design Principles & Lessons
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| OXO Good Grips Peeler: The DNA of Good Design | 05 Nov 2024 | 00:24:57 | |
In this episode, hosts Thamer Abanami and Albert Shum explore the groundbreaking design of the OXO Good Grips Peeler, an everyday tool that transformed how people interact with kitchen products. Featuring an exclusive interview with Davin Stowell, the founder of Smart Design and the visionary behind the peeler, the episode unpacks the story of how one small tool became a design revolution. Created with a focus on accessibility and universal usability, the peeler emerged from Sam Farber’s inspiration to help his wife, Betsy, manage kitchen tasks despite her arthritis. This intention not only sparked the iconic Good Grips Peeler but also launched OXO as a household name synonymous with thoughtful, inclusive design. The conversation delves into the essence of what makes the OXO Good Grips Peeler an enduring example of good design—its intuitive handle, ergonomic form, and careful balance of signaling and functionality. This episode highlights the peeler’s journey from concept to market, showing how Stowell’s commitment to observation, prototyping, and user-centered design practices set a new standard. Listeners will come away with a richer understanding of how design principles and values can create products that improve lives and build stronger market connections. Key Points
Additional Resources Smart Design- Discussion with Tucker Fort, Smart Design Partner on How Smart Design is Inclusive Design Fast Company- Davin Stowell shares his thoughts on The Untold Story of the Vegetable Peeler That Changed the World OXO Website- The company shares the history Behind the Design: OXO's Iconic Good Grips Handles
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| Bonus: Design Visionary Patrick Whitney | 15 Jul 2025 | 00:11:33 | |
In this episode, Patrick Whitney shares his path from reluctantly accepting Jay Doblin's invitation to teach a single course to discovering his passion for helping students grow. He reflects on the challenges of teaching design, particularly to eager freshmen students, and how that experience shaped his understanding of design education. Key Topics
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| Bonus: Designing for Trust in Urban Systems with Ryan Powell of Waymo | 22 Jul 2025 | 00:33:40 | |
In this episode from ID's Shapeshift conference, Ryan Powell shares how Waymo uses design to tackle one of the world's most pressing challenges: the 1.35 million annual traffic fatalities and 50 million injuries from vehicle crashes. Key Topics
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| Bonus: Shaping an Inclusive AI Future with Anamitra Deb of Omidyar Network | 29 Jul 2025 | 00:28:14 | |
In this episode from ID's Shapeshift conference, Anamitra Deb, Senior Vice President of Programs and Policy at Omidyar Network, makes the case for "hardwiring humanity" into our digital future. Drawing from his grandmother's remarkable use of technology at age 100, from health monitoring to Netflix streaming, he illustrates how innovation succeeds when embedded in structures of human care and compassion. Key Topics
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| Bonus: AI and Democracy with Terry Williams-Willcock and Chelsea Pratt | 05 Aug 2025 | 00:36:06 | |
In this episode from ID's Shapeshift conference, Terry Williams-Willcock, Chief Customer Officer at RUSH Digital, and Chelsea Pratt, Design Lead & Strategist at Thoughtfull, discuss ways that intentionally designed AI can address challenges to democracy. Key Topics
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| Bonus: Preview of the New Season of Design As | 16 Sep 2025 | 00:03:59 | |
In this trailer, host Lee Moreau previews the upcoming season of Design As, which was recorded at ID’s Shapeshift Summit in May. The summit brought together leaders from the creative, technology, and business communities to discuss the implications of AI on design and human culture. This preview offers a glimpse of their new season as it continues the conversations that started at Shapeshift— conversations that don’t oversimplify AI, but explore the many complicated ways it intersects with design. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech Discover programs and resources on design and systems thinking.
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| Bonus: Design As Fast | Design As Slow from Design As | 30 Sep 2025 | 00:55:11 | |
In this episode of Design As, host Lee Moreau explores a key tension in AI development: moving fast vs slowing down. This roundtable conversation with Ruth Schmidt, Albert Shum, David McGaw, and Ruth Kikin-Gil examines the role of design in responsible AI and what happens when innovation outpaces our ability to reflect on its impact. Institute of Design at Illinois Tech Discover programs and resources on design and systems thinking.
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