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Exploring support commanders in depth: token and non token effects, timing, synergies, costs and benefits

2:09 Diving into the card text5:17 Vanguard tokens cannot be replenished (The Side Quest)6:47 Strategies for Vanguards/What makes a good Vanguard9:20 Handling Blue vs Red Asymmetry11:28 Nathan’s Refused Flank Play as Red15:18 Catching your opponent where they are weak17:25 Bluffing during deployment18:36 Picking Brian’s Brain (Rebels on Outflank)24:42 Cross-Examining some earlier assertions29:47 “Left Side Push” vs “Refused Flank”33:24 Importance of controlling the middle39:07 When do you veto Vanguard?41:05 Tangent about dice inflation42:10 Understanding how far your units can move43:13 Pre-measuring during game setup and battle card selection45:37 Always discuss terrain first49:50 table/terrain ecosystems53:15 David’s average Legion tournament experience55:33 Define similar terrain consistently

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0:34 Brian’s Comeback Victory at Windy City7:30 Risks of Playing from Behind11:41 It’s ok to handwave some of deployment to save time13:41 When playing from behind is necessary20:20 A combination of luck and skill to produce a good result21:50 Playing from behind as a premise of your list33:17 VPs are like rings or coins in a video game34:05 Winning by round 4 and tournament time constraints43:47 We are far from perfect competitors48:36 Tournament Plugs and Adepticon Streaming58:39 Droids Are Busted (And Other Future Meta Stuff)1:06:00 Snapping multi-model vehicle unit leaders off POI1:11:44 Optimism for Imperial High Command1:20 14 Keyword scaling and list optimization1:29:54 One last shoutout

In our last episode of the year, we dive into the new Advantage Cards added recently, plus an exploration of Triple Saber Tank in the new 212th Battleforce, as well as how to play and counter Cassian Super Squads.Timestamps

00:00 Introduction0:55 New Advantages40:02 Triple Saber/212th Talk54:20 Super Cassian1:14:40 How to Counteract Super Cassian

http://www.ko-fi.com/wintermoonwargamingTimestamps0:00 Introduction 2:54 “Catching Strays” aka point cuts for less than obvious reasons 16:09 “It’s better to miss on the low end than it is to miss on the high end” 22:55 “There is no finish line” (when it comes to balance) 36:04 Prepared positions adjustment and illusory nature of a “global meta” 43:04 Players whose fun is optimizing the “fun” out of the game 46:00 The New Battleforce boxes will not be around forever 56:51 Rebel Guerillas and designing new units in conjunction with LFL 1:07:20 Dursum and Shick’s units from Ministrav they are most excited about 1:16:54 What is something players don’t value enough (tactically) or overvalue (tactically) 1:30:39 How do you balance units so they fit both in their battleforce and their standard faction 1:37:47 Metaphors for developing a game being played already

Brian, David and Nathan take a deep look into how to evaluate units for their economics and the role they play in list building. Is a unit self-sufficient, or is its economy positive or negative? How do you make good choices when building?

My apologies for the lack of time stamps, this episode is a yap-and-a-half but we covered some fertile strategic ground.

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Jon’s List: https://legionhq2.com/list/republic/1000:1olpqdtdwcw,1xixuxqxrxtxs,3fz000000,1kzoc0ps0000,1kzoc0ps000dk,3xj0xl00xk,pi,bl,nx,pj,pk,xx,Ag,Ai,Ah,Aa,Af,Ae,yu,yv,yyNathan’s List: https://tabletopadmiral.com/listbuilder/Rebel/N-_a0_172,bf,EM,EM,EM,EM,178,_a0_170,2c,EM,EM,EM,176,178,_79_9,d8,da,36,_6_b,c,EM,EM,,,,_6_b,c,EM,EM,,,,_6_b,c,EM,EM,,,,_d_2f,EM,f9,EM,EM,_d_2f,EM,f9,EM,EM,_d_2f,EM,f9,EM,EM,_92_2f,EM,EM,EM,EM,_92_2f,EM,EM,EM,EM,_92_2f,EM,EM,EM,EM,-c8,ca8,ca7,ca9,ccc,c1a,c3,-e,10,f,-d,13,e,-d,12,11,-

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Brian, David, and Jon discuss tunnel vision and its dangers, and how to take more frequent big-picture looks at the board, zooming out, and thinking about the position more than unit-to-unit fighting.

Timestamps 0:00 Introduction and Exhibition Match Recap 28:24 Tunnel Vision: How to Avoid 36:40 Zooming Out, “butterfly effect”

David’s List: https://legionhq2.com/list/mercenary/1000:sc:1rcdydtcwpsrq,4rbrnrl00,2rbrmrldedj,2resd0sf00sa,mw,rr,rs,ni,rt,nj,Aj,Ah,Ai,Af,Ad,Ae,yu,yv,yy

Jon’s List: https://legionhq2.com/list/republic/1000:1olpqdtdw0,1fyBnruda00,1xixuxqxrxtxs,3fzoc00000,2xj0xl00xk,1xpjb0xl00xk,jt,pi,pj,nx,pk,ir,Ai,Ak,Ah,Aa,Ad,Af,yu,yv,yy

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David, Nathan, and Jon discuss the second exhibition game between Maul and rebel Ahsoka, we discuss the tactic of zoning your opponent defensively, and we OPEN a SURPRISE BOX from ASMODEE :O

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All four hosts (David, Brian, Nathan and Jon) appear in this episode to discuss myriad Legion topics, including the aftermath of the August 28th exhibition between Jon and Brian, and discuss the concept of Threat Saturation. We also finally discuss Brian's GenCon win.

Jon, Nathan and David discuss pre-measuring in depth, unit mobility, economy, positioning, we try to hit it all in this jam-packed, yet somehow salty and tired, episode.

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Jon, Nathan and David dive deeply into how to choose upgrades for your Star Wars Legion lists. Heavy weapons or no? Should you take that Targeting Scopes upgrade? How do you measure the effectiveness of each choice? Find out in this episode.

Will Pagani from Atomic Mass Games joins us to talk about the latest Star Wars: Legion points update and new upgrade releases, as well as the upcoming mission pack!

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We welcome Dr Nathan back to the show along with Jon "Bushfacts" and David to discuss Force Users and the various tactics for using them and countering them in Star Wars: Legion.

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Timestamps

0:00 Intro1:03 LVO Segment27:22 Mailbag List Diagnostic - CIS47:48 Marked Targets Discussion

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00:00 Intro01:04 Nathan's Invader League List37:14 Sweep and Clear

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TBA

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0:00 Intro0:26 What This Episode is About1:27 Responding to IRG/Palp/Paths removal7:04 The Partnership between AMG and LFL is Sacrosanct11:06 Addressing Empire and the feeling of "kicked while they were down"25:45 Possibility of updates outside of April and November?33:52 Role of Tournament Data in Balance Decisions40:03 Canary in the Coal Mine43:58 Some Criteria for Emergency Changes47:42 Differences in style between 2.6 and Legacy51:59 Performance of Gunline-style lists and what levers can be pulled56:05 Dev-side assumptions about Gunlines vs Objectives1:04:34 Reactionary effects and Independent1:10:07 Changes to attacks outside of activations1:17:36 Will there be a Star Wars "Path of the Worthy?"1:20:05 More Custom Commander Spoilers, AKA How do you like your brisket?1:24:16 Schick's Cooking, Secret Ingredients and Dual Blade Jedi1:28:04 What do the Playtest tables actually look like?1:34:19 Handcrafted and 3d Printed Terrain

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0:00 Preamble0:32 Brian's Friday Games23:52 David's Perspective on Thursday/Friday33:16 Baird Center and AMG's Involvement37:39 Brian's Saturday Games43:24 Joe's Saturday Games49:23 Brian's Top 8 and Top 41:01:33 NEW segment: Once In a Blue Moon

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Nathan and David interview and sit in with LJ Pena, a rock of the Star Wars: Legion community, about LVO and the Invitational held there. This is also our Adepticon pre-show, so if you're only interested in that, skip to Part 2 in the timestamps!

TIMESTAMPS

Part 1: 0:00 Introductions and re-introductions 6:34 Looking back at the first Legion LVO 9:41 Genesis of the LVO Invitational Series 15:49 This season of LVOIS and how to get involved 26:47 Why YOU should go to LVO!30:23 LVOIS is a grassroots Organized Play 31:26 Addressing the perception that "Legion is dying" Part 2: 36:59 Everything Winter Moon is Doing for Adepticon 43:00 What LJ's doing for Adepticon 48:56 Tournament Etiquette and Judge Calls 58:19 Will ARFs being pushed back make a difference in the meta? 1:01:22 Beam ISP dark horse? 1:03:04 Who is going to win it all? 1:06:52 "Practice" or "Reps" 1:10:21 Muscle memory

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0:00 Introduction 0:46 List building for rebel synergy 18:17 Adepticon plugs20:50 Breakthrough discussion 50:55 David wins a local with Dooku/Persuader

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0:00 Introduction0:21 Winter Moon Mailbag15:55 Shifting Priorities34:13 Interactions with Secondaries

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0:00 Intro 4:17 Brian's Vader Dews 28:12 Bunker Assault 56:17 David's Mini-rant about "Old Legion"

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In the Moonlight is an interview series hosted by Joe “Kass” Hicks where he talks with different members of the Legion community about their recent large local tournament victories. The show was conceived as a way to bring the broader Legion community together by introducing the people behind the lists to one another and inviting them to put their thought process out there for education and your enjoyment!

Aidan's List: https://tabletopadmiral.com/listbuilder/Separatist%20Alliance/N-_5d_EM,EM,EM,EM,EM,_26_EM,EM,EM,EM,EM,_26_EM,EM,EM,EM,EM,_26_EM,EM,EM,EM,EM,_34_8d,EM,EM,_34_8d,EM,EM,_40_EM,EM,EM,a1,EM,_40_EM,EM,EM,a1,EM,_40_EM,EM,EM,a1,EM,_31_9,d8,8,EM,_34_8d,bd,EM,_96_14e,EM,-c75,c74,c73,c42,c8,c43,c39,-10,12,11,-d,10,e,-11,f,d,-

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Time Stamps: 00:00 Intro 02:45 List Breakdown / Analysis 12:55 BX Commando Talk 15:55 Command Cards 19:22 WinterMoon Wargaming 20:13 Game 1 28:27 Game 2 32:51 Game 3 39:37 Battle Grounds Saugus 3-0s 41:47 Tournament Recap 43:20 Into Legion from 40K 49:48 Granite Gungan's Shoutout 1:06:57 Aidan's New Player advice

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0:00 Introduction 4:22 Trent Hale's CIS list for List of the Week20:15 Black Suns and E-Stims 30:53 Recover the Research

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In the Moonlight is an interview series hosted by Joe “Kass” Hicks where he talks with different members of the Legion community about their recent large local tournament victories. The show was conceived as a way to bring the broader Legion community together by introducing the people behind the lists to one another and inviting them to put their thought process out there for education and your enjoyment!

Timestamps:0:00 - Introduction 0:22 - Immobilize Update 7:51 - LVOIS Winning List Breakdown 39:41 - Close the Pocket Primary

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A New Star Wars: Legion podcast! Featuring David Zelenka, Joe Hicks, Brian Baer and Nathan Nicholson, Winter Moon Podcasts focuses on learn-to-play and competitive content for Star Wars: Legion. Listen now and level up your game.