Winning the Away Game launches on 20 November, just before the Ireland Test. This new podcast brings together successful South Africans who have conquered the world and pairs them with Springbok legends, including our co-host Flip van der Merwe.
In every episode we look at resilience, legacy and the mindset needed to win when the odds are stacked against you. Whether you love Springbok rugby, business strategy or stories of South African grit going global, this is your new home for insight and inspiration.
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Gary Boddington and Wayne Fyvie - Building a Second Career From Scratch
Season 1 · Episode 14
Thursday, July 30, 2026 • Duration 01:03:54
Gary Boddington represented South Africa at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, then built a business intelligence company out of a Durban garage that was eventually acquired by Sage — a journey that landed him in a ski resort in British Columbia.
Wayne Fyvie played three tests for South Africa, captained the Sharks, and walked out of a change room in Cardiff knowing his body was finished and his income was about to disappear.
This episode is for anyone facing the end of one identity and the blank page of the next: athletes in transition, founders in the grind, and operators trying to work out what they are actually building for.
Chapters
00:00 Cold Open
00:41 Welcome: Gary Boddington and Wayne Fyvie
02:56 Favourite Springbok Memories
05:30 The Ticky Box That Changed Wayne’s Life
08:07 First Cap, Injuries and the Press
11:56 Gary’s Road From Ice Hockey to Atlanta
15:37 Walking Into the Stadium at Atlanta 1996
19:10 Retirement and the Salary That Stops
22:32 The Haircut That Cost 200 Rand
27:28 Job First or Play First: Which Is Better?
33:52 Mentors, Relationships and Working the Room
37:54 Eating Glass for 30 Years
41:31 The Two-Year Plan and the Sage Acquisition
47:41 Sales, Cartridges and Solving Problems
50:35 Finding Purpose at 38
54:49 Building a South Africa That Works
Winning The Away Game is brought to you by The Lekker Network. The Lekker Network brings together South Africa's top entrepreneurs, executives, innovators, and everyday people from all over the world to connect, engage, support, do business with each other, and create lasting impact. Find out more at https://thelekkernetwork.com/
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Entrepreneurship Isn't Easy, with Deon Gouws and Alistair Hargreaves
Season 2 · Episode 13
Thursday, July 23, 2026 • Duration 58:18
This episode is for founders, operators, and anyone rebuilding an identity after a chapter of life ends. Deon Gouws, Chief Investment Officer at Credo in London, and Alistair Hargreaves, former Springbok and Saracens captain turned Wolf Pack co-founder, sit down with Justinus and Flip to talk about judgement under pressure and reinvention without a script. The core tension: rugby careers and investment careers both come with hard-won instincts, but neither guarantees you'll succeed the moment you step outside the environment that built them. From a stadium beer ban to the 2008 financial crisis to a concussion that ended a professional career, this is a conversation about building good judgement when certainty isn't available.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:49 Favourite Springbok Memories
08:29 Family, Fathers and the Game
09:54 Alistair's Springbok Memories
14:04 Growing Up Together in SA Rugby
17:34 The Concussion Decision
20:42 Building a Culture That Puts People First
23:56 From Cambridge to Credo
30:20 How Deon and Alistair Became Friends
34:53 The Myth of Transferable Skills
38:01 Building Wolf Pack From Scratch
47:04 Lessons From 2008 and Covid
51:00 Building a South Africa That Works for Everyone
55:00 World Cup 2027 and Sign Off
Winning The Away Game is brought to you by The Lekker Network. The Lekker Network brings together South Africa's top entrepreneurs, executives, innovators, and everyday people from all over the world to connect, engage, support, do business with each other, and create lasting impact. Find out more at https://thelekkernetwork.com/
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Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
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Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
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Why Identity Can’t Come From Achievement - Pierre Spies and Daniel Ornellas
Thursday, May 21, 2026 • Duration 01:03:14
Pierre Spies and Daniel Ornellas come from completely different worlds — elite rugby and global music — but this conversation reveals how similar the pressure of identity, purpose, loss, and reinvention really is.
Pierre opens up about losing his father before his Springbok breakthrough, the emotional reality of retiring from rugby, and why fame can never become your identity. Daniel shares the story behind Tree63, moving to America, touring with Taylor Swift and Camila Cabello, and why living abroad made him feel even more South African.
This episode is for founders, athletes, creatives, and anyone wrestling with reinvention after success.
Key Takeaways
Why success often exposes identity problems instead of solving them
The hidden emotional cost of elite performance
How grief shaped both Pierre and Daniel’s leadership journeys
Why moving overseas can deepen your connection to home
The danger of tying your identity to your profession
How purpose becomes clearer after public success fades
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:20 Living in Nashville and George
03:10 Favorite Springbok memories
06:55 Pierre’s nightmare Springbok debut
07:30 Losing fathers before career breakthroughs
10:00 The decision that changed Pierre’s life
11:35 Daniel’s father, rock music and radical faith
14:45 Growing up with no money and total faith
15:40 Why Daniel never wanted to be on stage
17:25 Becoming more like your parents
18:40 What death teaches you about life
20:00 Leaving South Africa for America
21:20 The problem with fear-driven emigration
23:00 Why South Africa still feels like home
26:45 Life after rugby and identity loss
28:15 From rugby career to calling
30:30 The hidden challenge of retirement
31:20 Why identity cannot come from achievement
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
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Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
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Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
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Ricky Maia and Percy Montgomery on Catamarans, Tequila and Obsession
Wednesday, May 6, 2026 • Duration 50:15
What do catamarans, tequila, and elite rugby have in common?
On the surface—nothing.
But underneath, this episode reveals the mindset of people who refuse to live ordinary lives.
Ricky Maia and Percy Montgomery unpack what drives obsession-level commitment—from building a boat from scratch and sailing across the Atlantic, to kicking in World Cup finals and launching a tequila brand after rugby.
This is a conversation about chaos, risk, reinvention, and the kind of thinking that makes unconventional lives work.
If you’ve ever felt like your path doesn’t make sense—this episode will.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:02 The 2007 World Cup and elite pressure
00:05 Leaving systems that no longer work
00:08 Building a catamaran from scratch
00:12 The reality behind chasing freedom
00:15 Adapting across countries and cultures
00:18 Losing money and entering the US market
00:21 Rock bottom and rebuilding through obsession
00:24 Life after rugby and launching tequila
00:28 Finding purpose in unconventional paths
00:31 Resourcefulness vs resources
00:34 Advice for young South Africans
00:37 Why doing what you love matters
00:40 AI vs community
00:42 Legacy and long-term impact
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584
Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
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Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
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Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/
Nick Mallett & Sean Peche - The Decision That Costs Everything
Thursday, April 9, 2026 • Duration 01:05:37
What separates the leaders who sustain success from those who flame out at the top?
In this episode, Springbok coach Nick Mallett and global fund manager Sean Peche strip back decades of high-performance experience to reveal the decisions, assumptions, and identity shifts that defined — and sometimes derailed — their careers.
This is essential listening for founders, executives, and anyone operating in high-stakes environments where clarity disappears and the pressure to act is constant.
From losing a team's confidence with one selection call, to spending 14 years marketing to the wrong market, both guests bring rare candour to questions most leaders avoid.
If you've ever made a call you regretted under pressure, or held a belief that turned out to be quietly costing you, this episode will hit hard.
Chapters:
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction — Decisions Without Certainty
00:02:30 Springbok Memories — 1995 and 2019
00:08:00 Nick Mallett: From Player to Coach in France
00:14:00 Sean Peche: Moving to London and Starting Ranmore
00:20:00 The False Assumption That Cost Sean 14 Years
00:25:00 From $50M to $2.5 Billion — The LinkedIn Turning Point
00:30:00 Nick's Biggest Coaching Mistake: The Gary Teichmann Decision
00:37:00 How One Selection Broke Team Trust Instantly
00:42:00 The South African Advantage — Confronting Poverty and Building Resilience
00:49:00 Nick Mallett's Advice for Aspiring Coaches
00:54:00 Two Roads to a Springbok Jersey — Privilege vs. Pure Resilience
00:58:00 Sean on Giving Back: The Run More Shoe Initiative
01:02:00 Should You Wait Before Taking the Big Job?
01:05:00 Getting the Odds on Your Side — Final Lessons
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Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
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Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/
Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/
Nomsebenzi Tsotsobe & Francisca Lombard - Winning Where You Don’t Belong
Thursday, March 26, 2026 • Duration 59:20
What does it take to succeed in systems that were never designed to recognise you?
In this episode, Nomsebenzi "Noms" Tsotsobe, the first captain of the Springbok Women's Team, and Francisca Lombard, engineer and creator of MineGPT, share what it really looks like to build credibility, authority, and resilience in male-dominated environments.
This episode is for anyone navigating career transitions, entering spaces where they feel like outsiders, or trying to build something meaningful without recognition.
The core tension: doing the work long before the system is ready to acknowledge you.
If you’ve ever felt overlooked, underestimated, or out of place—this conversation will shift how you approach your career.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:01 Proving Yourself in Unfair Systems
00:03 Nomsebenzi’s First Springbok Moment
00:07 Francisca’s Start in Mining
00:10 Loss, Cancer, and Perspective
00:14 Building Women’s Rugby From Nothing
00:18 Working Without Recognition
00:22 Moving to Canada Alone
00:26 Cultural Shock and Isolation
00:30 Fighting for Authority
00:34 Role Models and Early Influence
00:38 Building Confidence From Scratch
00:42 Finding Your Footing
00:46 Why the Struggle Continues
00:50 The Future of Women’s Rugby
00:53 AI and the Future of Work
00:57 Final Reflections
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584
Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/
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Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/
Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/
Pat Lambie and Bruce Whitfield - Leaving Too Early and Starting Over
Thursday, March 12, 2026 • Duration 58:41
In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Pat Lambie and Bruce Whitfield unpack what it means to rebuild after loss - whether it's concussion ending a rugby career or
walking away from a powerful media platform. This conversation is for founders, operators, and high performers navigating uncertainty,
identity shifts, and global transitions. From elite sport to global banking, this episode explores pressure, resilience, and how
South Africans consistently win on foreign soil.
Key Takeaways
• Why identity loss can be your greatest growth catalyst
• The difference between sporting pressure and financial pressure
• How rugby prepares leaders for business environments
• Why chaos is not destruction - it's diversification
The mindset required to rebuild relevance from zero
• Why South Africans thrive globally
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
03:10 Bruce on Rugby as a Unifier
06:06 Pat's First Springbok Anthem Moment
11:40 Concussion and Forced Retirement 14:09 Bruce's Move to London
18:03 Rebuilding Identity in a New Market
22:37 Transitioning from Rugby to Business
25:30 The Discipline Gap After Sport 29:19 Fatherhood as a New Purpose
33:10 Confidence Under Pressure
37:25 Ego, Leadership and Tough Conversations
44:12 The TymeBank Away Game Story
50:53 Why South Africans Win Globally
54:38 What the Next 10 Years Look Like
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Listen on Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/
id1853818584
Connect with Justinus:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip: https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels: Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/
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Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect on Linkedin:
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Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/
Schalk Brits and Andrew Farrant - Don't Forget To Enjoy The Ride
Thursday, February 26, 2026 • Duration 57:56
In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Schalk Brits and Andrew Farrant unpack the real cost of ambition — from elite rugby and expat life to rebuilding identity in corporate environments abroad.
This conversation is for founders, operators, athletes, and expats who’ve had to reinvent themselves in unfamiliar territory. It’s about sacrifice, culture, ego, family, and the brutal honesty required to build something meaningful in a foreign system.
If you're navigating transition — country, career, or identity — this episode will challenge how you define winning.
00:00 Introduction
02:41 Best Springbok Moments
06:16 The Danger of Forgetting the Journey
07:55 Make Work Fun Again
09:03 Leaving South Africa
11:45 Moving to Saracens
16:16 Culture Over Trophies
20:31 The Reality of UK Life
21:07 Retiring From Rugby
27:26 The 15-Year Experience Gap
35:11 Nearly Losing Family
38:09 Starting From Zero Abroad
44:22 Integrating Into British Culture
50:37 What Does the Future Look Like?
53:39 Compounding Yourself Daily
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584
Connect with Justinus: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip: https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast
Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/
Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/
Cabous van der Westhuizen and Brannon Phillips. From Springboks to Mauritius, from SA to Los Angeles
Thursday, February 12, 2026 • Duration 01:04:52
In this episode of Winning The Away Game, hosts Justinus Adriaanse and Flip van der Merwe speak with former Springbok Cabous van der Westhuizen and global entertainment executive Brannon Phillips about reinvention, starting over in new countries, and what elite sport teaches you about succeeding when no one is clapping anymore.From building a beach bar business in Mauritius to navigating the entertainment industry in Los Angeles, this episode explores resilience, identity, culture shifts, and the mindset needed to win the Away Game.
Chapters
00:00 Highlights
01:04 Welcome
02:43 Favourite Springbok moment
07:12 Why leave South Africa?
15:59 Adjusting abroad
25:53 Rebuilding credibility
33:24 Culture shifts
39:19 Identity and leadership
43:00 Final reflections
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584
Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast
Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/
Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/
Wynand Olivier and Robyn Curnow - How emigrating makes you MORE South African
Thursday, January 29, 2026 • Duration 01:14:31
What happens when elite sport ends, the cheering stops, and life asks you to start again?
In this episode of Winning The Away Game, we sit down with Springbok and Bulls legend Wynand Olivier and veteran journalist Robyn Curnow for a powerful, honest conversation about identity, reinvention, and what it really means to begin again.
We talk about the emotional reality of leaving professional rugby, moving countries, and returning home to a version of life that has moved on without you. Wynand opens up about the shock of retirement, building a business from scratch, and why coming back to South Africa was harder than moving to Japan, France, or England. Robyn shares her journey through global journalism, covering defining moments in South Africa’s history, and what it’s like to rebuild a sense of belonging after more than a decade abroad.
This is a conversation about grief, growth, masculinity, motherhood, legacy, and the quiet courage it takes to adapt when your old identity no longer fits.
If you’ve ever felt displaced, underestimated, or unsure of who you are after a big chapter ends, this episode is for you.
00:00 – Welcome to Winning The Away Game
02:10 – Introducing Wynand Olivier and Robyn
03:05 – Favourite Springbok Memories & National Pride
05:00 – The 2007 Super Rugby Final That Changed Everything
07:10 – Growing Up With Rugby and Knowing This Was the Path
10:30 – What Springbok Success Meant to South Africans
14:20 – Playing Under Pressure in Front of 80,000 People
18:40 – The Golden Era of the Bulls Explained
20:15 – The Decision to Leave South Africa and Go Overseas
24:30 – Landing in Japan Alone and Learning to Adapt
28:40 – From France to England: Life Abroad as a Pro Player
33:40 – Journalism, Nation Building, and Telling South Africa’s Story
37:00 – Covering History: Mandela, Global Leaders, and Hard Truths
41:30 – When Careers End and Identity Shifts
46:10 – Coming Home vs Staying Away
51:00 – Raising Children Across Countries and Cultures
56:40 – Why South Africans Adapt So Well Globally
1:01:10 – Stepping Away From Careers That No Longer Serve You
1:05:50 – Detoxing From Noise, Media, and Modern Life
1:08:30 – Where Will We Watch the 2027 World Cup?
1:11:30 – Defining Legacy Beyond Titles and Careers
1:15:40 – Advice to Our Children and Future Selves
1:20:00 – Final Reflections on Winning the Away Game
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
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Check out Robyn's podcast, Searching For America, at: https://www.youtube.com/@therobyncurnow
Or subscribe to her Substack at: https://robyncurnow.substack.com/
Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip:https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast
Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/
Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/
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