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Well Said

Cuore Collective

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Frequency: 1 episode/7d. Total Eps: 19

We're Pia and Kelly, co-founders of Cuore. We met at Amazon new-hire orientation 13 years ago, sitting at different tables, and ended up desk neighbors on the communications team. We've spent our careers obsessed with how words change what happens next, in boardrooms, in hallways, in the text you reread three times before sending. Well Said is our podcast about connection as a human skill. We talk to coaches, chefs, journalists, and founders about what actually helps people reach each other when it matters. If you care about trust, communication, and saying things that land, this is for you.

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Why Your "Safe" Corporate Job Is the Riskier Bet | A Q&A with Pia and Kelly

Tuesday, July 28, 2026 • Duration 31:10

For over a year, former colleagues have been sending Kelly and Pia the same questions. How did you actually start Cuore? How did you land your first client? How did you know it was time to leave a stable career and bet on yourself? In this Q&A episode, they turn the mic on themselves and answer all of it.

What comes out is an honest look at the leap most people only think about. Kelly shares the "stop being half in" conversation with Dave Clark that pushed her to commit, and Pia retells the breakfast-taco talk with her dad, who called corporate stability "a false sense of security" and warned that the right partnership comes once. They get specific about the parts nobody warns you about too: the comp and HR expertise you undervalue until it's yours to build, learning taxes across two states, setting boundaries when the work never technically ends, and doing every single task yourself, right down to the printer paper.

If you're a mid-career professional wondering "could I do this?", this is the episode that answers. You'll walk away with a clearer picture of what starting something actually looks like, why side quests matter more for achievers than they think, and what it means to raise the next generation to see more than one path. Listen now, and subscribe to Well Said so you don't miss what Kelly and Pia get into next.

Timestamps:

• 0:00 — Two years in: why old colleagues keep reaching out

• 2:17 — Landing the first clients before you had any proof points

• 5:22 — The "stop being half in" push from Dave Clark

• 7:08 — Pia's dad, breakfast tacos, and "a false sense of security"

• 9:33 — What nobody prepares you for: comp, equity, and HR

• 13:27 — Running your own business means you do all the tasks

• 16:11 — Learning to set boundaries when the work is yours

• 19:02 — What their kids are learning from watching them bet on themselves

• 21:26 — Side quests, and why drivers and achievers need them most

• 25:24 — The gift of being naïve: Pia's one-way ticket to New York

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How This Founder "Brainwashed" Himself Into Confidence | Shadi Bakour @ PATH

Tuesday, July 21, 2026 • Duration 49:41

Before Shadi Bakour ever framed a message for a customer, he engineered the one he told himself. Driving Uber and waiting tables through three years of making $0, he listened to Tony Robbins on every commute. "I looked at it like I was brainwashing myself." The message worked. Today PATH Water is in more than 75,000 locations and has eliminated over 700 million single-use plastic bottles.

Shadi joins Pia and Kelly for a conversation that flips the show's premise inward. For a founder whose brand lives or dies on communication, the highest-stakes communication of his career happened in his own head: the nightly journaling, the "that's so easy" reframe, the decision to go looking for struggle on purpose. Along the way he unpacks why "follow your passion" is bad advice, how a $2,000 going-away party turned into his first funding round, and why people never really buy a product… they buy who it says they are.

This is a masterclass in the story you tell yourself first.

In this episode:

- Why Shadi treated Tony Robbins like deliberate "brainwashing" and what it did to his confidence

- The reframe that got PATH off the ground: why "that's so easy" beat every expert who said it wouldn't work

- How "take every meeting" turned $2,000 and a party into a funding round, a board member, and Guy Fieri

- Why he'd fire an advisor before he'd skip a meeting he "wasn't ready" for

- The case against following your passion (and the photography experiment that proves it)

- Why people buy identity, not products and the stranger who pitched Shadi his own company until he cried

The Professor Who Learned Why Nouns vs. Verbs Can Reinvent How We Communicate | Christopher Bryan

Tuesday, July 14, 2026 • Duration 38:22

Christopher Bryan has spent his career proving something most communicators only sense intuitively: the words we choose don't just describe behavior, they build identity, and identity is what actually moves people. As a behavioral scientist at UT Austin's McCombs School of Business, Bryan has run randomized experiments on voters, cheaters, teenagers, and teachers, and the results keep pointing to the same conclusion. Calling someone "a voter" instead of asking them to "vote" can swing real turnout by double digits. Telling someone "don't be a cheater" eliminates dishonesty; telling them "don't cheat" does nothing at all.

For Pia Arthur and Kelly Cheeseman, two communicators who spent over a decade inside one of the world's most disciplined corporate comms operations, Bryan is the guest who puts hard data behind what they've always felt: that framing isn't a soft skill, it's a lever. The conversation moves from the psychology of political slogans like "Morning Again in America" and "Audacity of Hope," to why most managers motivate their teams all wrong, to the one word every leader needs in their vocabulary.

In this episode:

- The coin-flip experiment that proved one word can eliminate cheating

- Why "be a voter" outperforms "vote" by double-digit points at the polls

- How a status crisis explains why certain political slogans land and others don't

- Why your gym transformation video is quietly lying to you about motivation

- The real reason talented employees disengage (it isn't laziness)

- What separates persuasion that works from advice that gets ignored

How This Journalist Uncovers and Communicates the Story Nobody Else Is Telling with Sam Sanders

Tuesday, July 7, 2026 • Duration 38:18

Sam Sanders has spent two decades learning that the best conversations aren't the polished ones. After years at NPR cutting five seconds off a segment because "the clock doesn't play," the host of The Sam Sanders Show now does the opposite: improvised, imperfect, unfinished talk that he insists is "just vibes."

On Well Said, Pia and Kelly get him to trace that philosophy all the way back to a pawnshop saxophone in a small-town Texas church, where he learned to play by ear and started hearing every conversation as a song. They go from how he prepped for months of Trump rallies (and why the voters there were often kinder than he expected) to the question he says ends any argument: do you want to be right, or do you want to win?

It's a conversation about how to actually talk to people again, how we’re all yearning for community, when to go slow, and why letting things stay unfinished might be the most freeing thing you can do.

In this episode:- Why Sam treats every conversation as music, and what playing saxophone by ear taught him about communication

- How a decorated journalist made peace with being "background noise," and why that set him free from perfectionism

- What months of covering Trump rallies taught him about listening to people you disagree with

- The reframe he uses to defuse any argument: "Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?"

- His practical, non-emotional system for breaking phone addiction (it starts with the back seat of his car)

- The "be a duck" thesis for living in a world that moves too fast

What Witnessing Thousands of Deaths Taught This Hospice CEO About Living a Good Life | Amy Sweet

Tuesday, June 30, 2026 • Duration 55:59

Most advice about communication is about control: managing a room, softening bad news, performing under pressure. Amy Sweet works where all of that falls away. As the founder and CEO of Halcyon Home, she has spent more than a decade at the bedside of people in their final days, and she has learned that the clearest, most honest communication of a person's whole life often happens in their last week.

Amy grew up in a strict Seventh Day Adventist household and then fell into the orbit of her aunt, an Oscar-nominated actress who said whatever she wanted, however it landed. Six months before she died, her aunt wrote: "I demand my death be joyful." That sentence became the foundation of everything Amy built, from a company she started by stapling flyers around Austin to one of the largest woman-owned businesses in Texas.

This conversation strips communication down to what survives when performance is impossible: saying what you actually want, asking what someone actually loves, and naming the thing you keep postponing.

In this episode:

- Why Amy says we should plan for death the way we plan for birth

- The single question that can create the most meaningful day of someone's life

- What her aunt taught her about saying the hard thing without fear

- How honesty, not hope, gave one couple their trip to Costa Rica

- Why "I don't want to be a burden" is the wrong place to start

- How she trains nearly 1,000 caregivers to connect, not just to care

Why Attention is the ONLY Currency That Matters (and How to Capture It)

Tuesday, June 23, 2026 • Duration 31:08

For twenty years, Pia Arthur and Kelly Cheeseman watched the single megaphone of mass media shatter into a million independent microphones. In this solo episode of Well Said, the Cuore co-founders and former Amazon PR executives make the case that the comms job flipped with it: you no longer control the narrative from the inside out, you manage a fragmented set of realities from the outside in.

They trace the shift from the Oprah-era town square to a world where a Dairy Queen employee's TikTok is worth more than a press release, journalists are leaving mastheads to build their own audiences, and the people you trust most are curators you've never met. The throughline is a warning for any founder or exec still running the old "company to PR firm to journalist to audience" pipeline: that pipeline already broke.

It's a candid, road-tested look at what two decades in the room taught them about the next two, and the one move every company should make now.

In this episode:

- Why attention is becoming the ultimate currency, and why people are paying to escape it

- How "inside-out" narrative control gave way to "outside-in" reality management

- Why your best brand ambassador might be an hourly employee with a phone

- What the journalist-to-Substack migration means for who you should actually pitch

- How fragmented realities (see: Tylenol) make crisis comms about belief, not facts

- The new PR job: mapping the micro-trust ecosystems that can make or break you

How to Build Relationships in PR (So AI Will Never Replace You) with Elaine Garza @ Giant Noise

Tuesday, June 16, 2026 • Duration 49:02

Elaine Garza spent 12 years in New York running PR for Spin, Vibe, and Outside before she put a baby in the backseat, drove to Austin, and started a PR agency out of her garage with a Blackberry and one client. Twenty years later, Giant Noise is roughly 80 people across four Texas cities. And her competitive edge is the same thing it was on day one: she doesn't pitch The New York Times. She calls a friend who works there.

AI can write the press release, build the media list, and draft the pitch faster than any junior staffer. Elaine's argument is that none of it touches the part that actually moves the needle: the relationship you built years before you ever needed anything.

In this conversation with Pia and Kelly, she makes the case for the human in the loop, and gets honest about what it costs to keep betting on it.

Inside the episode:

- Why Elaine pitches stories she gets nothing from and why that's the strategy

- How she rebuilt the entire agency when earned media alone wouldn't survive ten years

- The instinct-over-spreadsheets philosophy behind never writing a business plan

- What an account coordinator's quiet Slack post taught her about leading younger staff

- The day a breaking war killed a client's Wall Street Journal story and what she told them

- Her one rule she'll break on purpose: going off the record for a journalist she trusts

The James Beard-Winning Chef Who Says Your Price Is Your Most Powerful Communication Tool | JJ Johnson

Tuesday, June 9, 2026 • Duration 47:30

Chef JJ Johnson built a fast-casual rice bowl restaurant on an idea most investors called crazy: that a single grain of rice could carry the story of the entire African diaspora. He priced it at $10 using the same Carolina gold rice that fine dining charges $40 for, because the story of Black and Brown food shouldn't cost more just because a white chef wasn't cooking it. He's a James Beard Award winner, a six-season TV host, and a founder who donated 220,000 free meals during a pandemic. He calls himself the Rice God.

But before all of that, JJ was cooking French and Italian cuisine… the food he was told to cook. Then a trip to Ghana changed everything.

In this episode, JJ joins Pia and Kelly to unpack what happens when someone stops asking "what should I say?" and starts asking "what do I actually stand for?" and then builds an entire business from that answer.

Highlights:

- The three questions JJ asks before anything goes on a menu and why most brands skip all three

- The pricing move that became a cultural statement: charging $10 for the same rice that fine dining charges $40 for

- What Trader Joe's understands about representation that most corporate institutions still don't

- The specific meal in Ghana that gave JJ what he calls "his marching orders" as a chef

- Why JJ believes food media's storytelling blind spots reflect a much bigger cultural double standard

- What 220,000 free meals actually communicates and why JJ says it was never about PR

What 40 Years as a Celebrity Trainer Taught Him About Honest Communication | David Kirsch

Tuesday, June 2, 2026 • Duration 59:53

David Kirsch passed the bar exam. Then he called his parents and told them he was going to be a fitness trainer. Dead silence.

That call (and the 40 years that followed) are what this episode is really about. David trained J.Lo, Heidi Klum, Kate Upton, Gigi Hadid, and Naomi Campbell. Not by telling them what they wanted to hear, but by being the one person in the room who wouldn't. He's spent decades watching people fail to change and finally figured out why: the conversation in their head never shifted. Now the fitness director at The Core Club in New York, his philosophy is the same as it's always been: sound mind first, sound body second. The physical work is almost secondary.

In this episode, David sits down with Pia and Kelly to talk about what it actually takes to communicate with someone who has made themselves completely vulnerable and why the trainers, leaders, and caregivers who do it best have always been in the people business, not the fitness business.

Highlights:

- Why David quit law and how his parents reacted

- The moment a client burst into tears mid-ab work and what it changed about how he trains

- Why 40 years of expertise is something AI cannot replicate, and what it actually feels like to be truly seen by a professional

- How a conversation with Kate Upton helped his teenage daughter through body dysmorphia

- His honest take on GLP-1s: when they work, when they don't, and the one thing people on Ozempic need to be doing more of

- Why longevity has nothing to do with supplement stacks or biohacks (and the three things that actually matter)

The Standup Comedian's Guide to Communicating In Any Room with Ben Gleib

Tuesday, May 26, 2026 • Duration 46:38

From ages four to twenty-two, Ben Gleib had a stutter and a vocal disfluency so severe that his chords would lock down mid-sentence. He'd sit in class dreading being called on to read aloud, convinced it was a kind of execution. And he wanted, more than anything, to be a comedian and a TV host.

He became one.

Twenty-five years of standup later, Ben has performed to arenas, hosted an Emmy-nominated game show (Idiotest, 210 episodes across Netflix and Game Show Network), appeared on Chelsea Lately, starred in a Showtime special now on Amazon, and is building the internet's first late night talk show (Goodnight with Ben Gleib) backed by Nikki Glaser and Scott Galloway. He also coaches executives on their TED Talks and wedding speeches. And yes, those are the same skill set.

Pia first saw Ben perform at a comedy club in Austin. Pia was front row, not by choice, watching him navigate a guy in a cowboy hat who wouldn't sit down and kept trying to make himself the show. Ben didn't flinch. He made the cowboy the funniest part of the night.

Watching it happen, Pia realized this is exactly what crisis communications looks like.

This episode is a masterclass in owning a room, staying composed under real pressure, and saying things that actually land. It applies whether you're in a comedy club, a boardroom, a media interview, or an all-hands meeting where your whole team is watching to see how you show up.

In this episode:

- Why comedians have become the last honest voices in public life and how truth is baked into every real laugh

- Crowd work as a communications framework: how Ben reads a room, finds the right people, and knows exactly how far to push

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