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	Title	Pub. Date	Duration
	CDC Collapse in Real Time	30 Mar 2025	01:41:40
In their most urgent and emotionally charged episode yet, Dr. Jonathan Howard and science journalist Wendy Orent confront the accelerating unraveling of public health institutions in the United States under the RFK Jr. administration. They open with a flood of disturbing headlines: Peter Marks, the nation’s top vaccine expert, has been ousted. Measles is surging in Texas, and children are arriving at hospitals with liver failure after being treated with toxic vitamin A overdoses—recommended by RFK-aligned influencers. The CDC and NIH are being gutted: funding pulled, scientists fired, and research into vaccine hesitancy and mRNA technology halted. David Geier, a disgraced figure with a history of chemically castrating autistic children, has been tapped to lead a new federal vaccine safety study. Howard and Orent don’t hold back. They rip into this dystopian reversal of public health, where disinformation peddlers are now calling the shots. They highlight the sheer absurdity and danger of putting figures like Jay Bhattacharya, Scott Atlas, and Geier in positions of power—people who have spent years sowing distrust in vaccines, downplaying COVID, and demonizing public health measures. The episode draws a brutal contrast between the lived reality of frontline doctors and essential workers—many of whom died in early pandemic waves—and the self-styled martyrs of the anti-lockdown movement, who now paint themselves as victims. One particularly enraging example: Bhattacharya’s claim that he felt “unsafe” on Stanford’s campus after a flyer was posted with his own quote alongside Florida’s Delta wave death tolls. This, while over 20,000 Floridians died in that wave, many unvaccinated due to the policies he championed. A major target of their critique is the book In COVID’s Wake, which they say rewrites history by glorifying the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration and ignoring the real human toll of their misinformation. Orent and Howard dismantle the book’s central claim—that these anti-lockdown figures were treated unfairly—pointing out that many of them became media darlings, got promoted, or were appointed to powerful roles. Meanwhile, real scientists and doctors who fought on the frontlines were ignored, censured, or worse. They also expose the cynical “woke-washing” by these same figures—claiming to champion the poor and marginalized while promoting policies that left essential workers unprotected. Their concern for “equity,” Howard and Orent argue, was nothing more than rhetorical cover for libertarian, laissez-faire ideology. As the episode barrels toward its conclusion, one message becomes chillingly clear: We are watching the active dismantling of public health—science silenced, disinformation rewarded, and truth replaced by ideology. And as Dr. Howard puts it: “If we had predicted these headlines six months ago, we would’ve sounded insane. But now, they’re reality.” This episode is a searing call to action. For scientists. For journalists. For anyone who still believes in truth, public health, and protecting the vulnerable. Because as Orent warns: “The wild horses of the plague apocalypse are descending... and the party’s just beginning.” Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Misguided Theories & Missing Data: Revisiting the GBD’s Legacy	26 Mar 2025	01:05:32
This episode critically examines In COVID's Wake by Princeton professors Steven M. and Francis Lee, focusing on their defense of the Great Barrington Declaration. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent argue that the authors downplay the catastrophic errors of the GBD architects, who pushed for herd immunity through mass infection while opposing vaccines, masks, and lockdowns. The discussion highlights the disconnection between political science theorizing and real-world public health outcomes. Using Florida as a case study, they showcase the tragic failures of the GBD’s approach, debunking the revisionist portrayal of its policies as reasonable or compassionate. The episode underscores the importance of accurately remembering the pandemic’s scientific realities and human costs. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	RFK Jr. Wanted to “Study” Vaccines—Now a Child Is Dead	17 Mar 2025	01:13:46
In this episode of Therapy Time with Jonathan and Wendy, hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the growing measles outbreak in the U.S. and how it exposes the deadly consequences of RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine agenda. With 259 cases in Texas alone, including 34 hospitalizations and two deaths, the hosts discuss how this outbreak was entirely preventable—yet fueled by years of misinformation from figures like RFK Jr. and his allies. Dr. Howard reflects on an invitation he received to speak with a filmmaker producing a documentary on the Great Barrington Declaration, questioning whether it will present the truth or further rewrite pandemic history. Meanwhile, Wendy highlights RFK Jr.’s bizarre response to the measles crisis—suggesting vitamin A, cod liver oil, and steroidsover vaccines. The discussion expands to doctors and public figures who once defended RFK Jr., including Vinay Prasad, Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty Makary, all of whom promoted his nomination as a supposed reformer of public health. Now, with RFK Jr. dismantling vaccine initiatives, canceling flu shot studies, and pushing for a new "study" on vaccines and autism, Jonathan and Wendy ask: Where are the apologies? Other key topics include: Jay Bhattacharya’s refusal to acknowledge that vaccines don’t cause autism during Senate questioning The Democrats’ failure to challenge Bhattacharya and Makary on their COVID-era misinformation The ongoing attack on vaccine safety monitoring systems and the potential removal of mRNA vaccines The absurdity of calls for a "randomized controlled trial" of childhood vaccine schedules As the anti-vaccine movement gains more power, Jonathan and Wendy underscore a terrifying reality: We are watching public health be systematically dismantled—and children are paying the price. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Measles Outbreak Exposes His Anti-Vaccine Legacy	09 Mar 2025	01:14:20
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent analyze the confirmation of Jay Bhattacharya to the NIH, lamenting the Senate’s failure to scrutinize his history of COVID misinformation. They discuss RFK Jr.’s unexpected pro-vaccine article in response to the Texas measles outbreak, highlighting how real-world responsibility has forced him into an awkward position. Yet, despite acknowledging the measles vaccine’s effectiveness, Kennedy continues to pander to his anti-vaccine base by avoiding direct recommendations. Meanwhile, the same misinformation tactics used to downplay COVID—claiming alternative causes of death, accusing doctors of malpractice, and insisting on "natural immunity"—are now being repurposed to minimize measles. As public health agencies face political interference, the duo warns that science is under siege, and the consequences will be dire. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	No Flu Shots Next Year? RFK Jr. Cancels Key FDA Meeting	03 Mar 2025	00:51:19
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the growing public health disasters under RFK Jr.’s leadership at HHS. They cover the first measles death of a child in over 30 years, the cancellation of a crucial flu vaccine advisory meeting, and the termination of funding for a promising oral COVID vaccine trial. Meanwhile, RFK Jr. moves to eliminate public commentary on HHS decisions, and scientific institutions continue to suffer massive cuts. They highlight the Orwellian doublespeak of Vinay Prasad and others who once demanded more RCTs—only to stay silent as Kennedy cancels them. Finally, they introduce the Bill Cassidy Profile in Cowardice Award, recognizing the senator who had the power to stop this but chose not to. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Mass Firings at the NIH & CDC: What Comes Next?	23 Feb 2025	01:00:43
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the devastating consequences of public health misinformation, the rise of RFK Jr.'s influence, and the sweeping purges at institutions like the CDC, FDA, and NIH. They examine how once-dismissive medical professionals are now reckoning with the damage as funding cuts and anti-vaccine policies take hold. The hosts also reflect on the role of social media in enabling misinformation and the hypocrisy of those who ignored warning signs for years. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Medical Leaders Who Refused to Stand Up	16 Feb 2025	01:04:02
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the disastrous confirmation of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as head of the HHS and the broader failure of medical and political leaders to confront misinformation. They highlight how figures like Adam Sifu, Jeffrey Flier, and Stanford President Jonathan Levin failed to challenge the growing anti-science movement, normalizing dangerous narratives that have now taken hold in American policy. The gutting of NIH funding, the resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, and the continued gaslighting by figures like Vinay Prasad and John Mandrola all point to a grim future for public health. The episode serves as both a reflection on past failures and a warning for what comes next. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The War on Science: Trump’s Purge of Public Health Experts	10 Feb 2025	01:16:05
In this episode of We Want Them Infected, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the catastrophic turn of events in public health and science policy under the Trump administration. RFK Jr. is poised to take control of the U.S. Health Department, the NIH has been gutted, and the CDC is actively censoring critical data. They examine how misinformation doctors like Vinay Prasad and Jay Bhattacharya helped normalize the war on science, how academia failed to respond, and why these cuts will have devastating long-term effects. Finally, they reflect on their own past misjudgments and the lessons learned in this bleak new reality. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Death of Scientific Integrity in the Prasad Era	02 Feb 2025	01:14:04
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the shocking contradictions of those who once claimed to defend scientific dialogue but now cheerlead for mass censorship. They dissect the hypocrisy of figures like Vinay Prasad, Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty Makary—who spent years railing against censorship but remain silent as the new administration muzzles scientists, cancels NIH study sections, and defunds critical research. They also examine Prasad’s crude, vengeful rhetoric and the complicity of his defenders, who tone-police critics while tolerating his unprofessionalism. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Rise of Dr. Marty Makary	26 Jan 2025	00:57:55
Dr. Marty Makary’s controversial positions during the COVID-19 pandemic have sparked debate over his suitability to lead the FDA. Despite his early rationality in addressing the crisis, he shifted to downplaying the virus’s impact, overstating natural immunity, and spreading dubious claims about vaccine-related myocarditis. The episode also highlights his misleading narratives about pediatric COVID risks and corporate entanglements. The hosts question how his past actions, driven by political and ideological motives, align with public health values and warn of the potential damage his leadership could inflict. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Science or Spectacle? When Doctors Play Politics with Pandemics	19 Jan 2025	01:15:06
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent confront the troubling trend of downplaying the consequences of pandemic misinformation. They tackle RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine legacy and its normalization by influential doctors, explore the Great Barrington Declaration’s advocacy for mass infection, and critique the intellectual theater around pandemic debates. The hosts highlight how these debates often overshadow the human toll of COVID, with 15 million lives lost globally. The episode also delves into the lab leak theory, emphasizing the need to focus on pandemic prevention over origin speculation. Howard and Orent challenge the narrative that figures like Jay Bhattacharya and RFK Jr. offer viable leadership for public health, urging accountability and truth over spectacle. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Rewriting Pandemic History and the Myth of Herd Immunity	12 Jan 2025	00:46:55
In this episode, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dissect the ongoing efforts to rewrite the history of the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly the role of the Great Barrington Declaration. They examine Dr. Edward Livingston's recent commentary on the document, which downplays its advocacy for herd immunity through mass infection and instead praises its criticism of lockdowns. Jonathan and Wendy expose how Livingston’s reframing and similar narratives contribute to the "Great Forgetting," erasing the devastating consequences of such proposals and the failure to protect vulnerable populations. They also critique the growing tendency to valorize empty statements like "I would have done this," highlighting the gap between words and actions in pandemic policy. As the conversation unfolds, they express concern over the potential impact of the incoming administration's policies, particularly on public health narratives. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	From Semmelweis to Bhattacharya: Misguided Comparisons in Medicine	06 Jan 2025	01:06:44
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the controversial history of the Great Barrington Declaration, a document that advocated for herd immunity via natural infection, and its lasting impact on public health discourse. They critique the flawed claims made by its authors and discuss how the Declaration’s proponents have rewritten its history to align with more socially palatable narratives. The hosts draw parallels to historical missteps in medicine, such as the unethical Tuskegee study, and dismantle comparisons to figures like Ignaz Semmelweis. Highlighting the real-world consequences of these ideas, they explore the devastation during Florida’s Delta wave and challenge the notion that natural infection could protect the vulnerable. With Bhattacharya’s Senate confirmation looming, they propose key questions that should be asked to hold him accountable for his actions during the pandemic. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	When Evidence Fails to Convince: The Fallout of Vaccine Mistrust	29 Dec 2024	00:59:28
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle two deeply troubling articles advocating for RFK Jr.’s role in vaccine oversight. They dissect claims linking Kennedy to evidence-based medicine and highlight his role in the deadly Samoa measles outbreak, where misinformation sowed distrust and fueled a public health disaster. The hosts criticize calls for impossible vaccine trials and underscore the irresponsibility of anti-vaccine rhetoric. Wrapping up, they urge listeners to advocate against RFK Jr.’s potential nomination, stressing the critical importance of preserving public trust in vaccines. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	RFK Jr., Medical Misinformation, and the Fight for America's Future	23 Dec 2024	00:59:45
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent address the rise of anti-vaccine rhetoric, focusing on RFK Jr.'s potential confirmation to a major public health position. They examine the role of high-profile doctors like Vinay Prasad and Martin Kulldorff in legitimizing RFK Jr.'s views and discuss the failure of medical leaders to challenge misinformation. Highlighting past outbreaks and the potential for future vaccine rollbacks, the duo warns of dire public health consequences, especially for children. They criticize platforms that profit from anti-science narratives while urging listeners to contact senators and oppose RFK Jr.'s confirmation. The episode underscores the urgent need for accountability and truth in public health discourse. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	RFK Jr.’s Anti-Vaccine Appointments: A Dangerous Future for Public Health	25 Nov 2024	00:36:51
This episode of We Want Them Infected delves into the implications of RFK Jr.'s recent nominations to lead major public health agencies, including his selection of anti-vaccine advocates for key roles. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent analyze the potential resurgence of preventable diseases such as measles, polio, and pertussis due to declining vaccination rates. They also critique the medical professionals and media figures who normalized RFK Jr.’s rhetoric, arguing that these individuals bear responsibility for the unfolding crisis. The hosts emphasize the critical need for accurate reporting on the pandemic records of public health leaders and call on listeners to urge their senators to oppose the confirmation of these controversial nominees. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Fauci’s Foes: The New Era of Public Health Scapegoating"	17 Nov 2024	00:42:45
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent trace the evolution of COVID-19 discourse from the early calls for open scientific debate to the current atmosphere of hostility and revenge. They examine the shift in tone from figures like Vinay Prasad, who initially warned against demonizing heterodox views, to now using inflammatory language that fuels public outrage against scientists and public health officials. The discussion highlights the rise of dangerous populist narratives that threaten the integrity of the public health system, with explicit calls for purges, prosecutions, and dismantling of vaccine mandates. Drawing historical comparisons to Soviet pseudoscience, Howard and Orent emphasize the alarming potential for misuse of political power against scientists, underscoring the risk to future pandemic responses and public trust in vaccines. The episode ends with Howard’s anticipation of his upcoming debate against Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, where he plans to use the very words of the Great Barrington Declaration proponents to expose their inconsistencies. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The 5th of November: A Day of Reckoning for Public Health	10 Nov 2024	00:26:45
The latest episode of We Want Them Infected dives into the unsettling consequences of the recent election, with RFK Jr. poised to gain significant influence over public health policy. Jonathan and Wendy lament the spread of misinformation and its role in shaping voter choices, particularly the anti-vaccine rhetoric promoted by influential figures like RFK Jr., Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty McCary. They worry about the potential rollback of school vaccine mandates, the erosion of CDC authority, and the long-term impact on disease prevention efforts. The hosts call for a renewed focus on grassroots efforts to educate communities about the importance of vaccines and the dangers of disinformation, emphasizing the need to stay vigilant and continue fighting against false narratives. Despite their concerns, they maintain hope that local health departments can still provide some protection and urge listeners to advocate for truth and science in their daily interactions. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Election-Eve Anxiety: What RFK Jr.’s Public Health Control Could Mean for America	04 Nov 2024	00:50:52
In this pre-election episode of We Want Them Infected, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the alarming potential of RFK Jr. assuming control over America’s key health agencies under a Trump administration. With stakes high for the election, the episode dissects the anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation strategies that could influence policies affecting public health, and they delve into statements made by RFK Jr. and supporting figures like Dr. Vinay Prasad and Dr. Marty McCary. The episode stresses the importance of awareness and voting, as potential outcomes could reshape America’s public health landscape.In this pre-election episode of We Want Them Infected, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the alarming potential of RFK Jr. assuming control over America’s key health agencies under a Trump administration. With stakes high for the election, the episode dissects the anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation strategies that could influence policies affecting public health, and they delve into statements made by RFK Jr. and supporting figures like Dr. Vinay Prasad and Dr. Marty McCary. The episode stresses the importance of awareness and voting, as potential outcomes could reshape America’s public health landscape. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	RFK Jr., Big Pharma, and Disinformation	31 Oct 2024	00:46:18
Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent return to discuss the normalization of anti-vaccine and disinformation narratives within respected medical circles. They explore prominent doctors’ public support for RFK Jr., who has spread numerous vaccine-related conspiracy theories. The episode critiques figures like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Marty McCary for endorsing Kennedy’s viewpoints and the potential risks if RFK's allies gain key health roles. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Perils of Pandemic Revisionism: RFK Jr. and the Threat to Public Health	22 Sep 2024	00:45:26
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the dangerous world of pandemic revisionism and vaccine misinformation spearheaded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. They detail RFK Jr.'s extensive history of promoting anti-vaccine rhetoric and conspiracy theories, from false claims about COVID-19 targeting specific ethnic groups to his unfounded accusations linking vaccines to autism. The hosts warn about RFK Jr.’s recent alliance with Donald Trump and the frightening prospect of him influencing public health policies if Trump wins the 2024 election. Howard and Orient also stress the importance of resisting revisionist narratives about the pandemic and the harm that unchecked medical misinformation can cause. As the episode progresses, they outline the broader impact of such dangerous alliances, not just on public health, but on the very foundation of medical integrity. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Lab Leak Theory and Zoonotic Diseases: Unpacking the Evidence	12 Sep 2024	00:52:53
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent delve into the debate over COVID-19’s origins, discussing the scientific evidence behind both the lab leak and natural transmission theories. They critique the rhetoric used by some public health figures and organizations like Biosafety Now, highlighting the contradictions in how lab safety and herd immunity have been framed during the pandemic. The episode concludes by emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to both lab safety and zoonotic disease prevention in future pandemic preparedness. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	RFK Jr.'s Controversial Moves and the Future of Anti-Vaccine Politics	01 Sep 2024	00:40:07
In this episode, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore recent COVID-19 developments, including a study from JAMA examining long-term outcomes of vaccine-induced myocarditis versus COVID-19 myocarditis. They discuss the implications of these findings, contrasting the media's portrayal of vaccine myocarditis with the actual data. The conversation shifts to the controversial political landscape as RFK Jr. drops out of the presidential race to endorse Trump, highlighting his continued influence on the anti-vaccine movement. The episode also previews a contentious upcoming conference at Stanford University focused on COVID-19 pandemic policies, questioning the representation of diverse viewpoints and the integrity of the discourse surrounding pandemic response strategies. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Dr. Prasad’s Inconsistent COVID-19 Vaccine Arguments	25 Aug 2024	00:45:48
In this episode, the discussion centers around the spread of misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines by certain doctors, with a specific focus on Dr. Vinay Prasad. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critique Dr. Prasad's approach to public discourse about the pandemic, pointing out his contradictory statements and apparent disregard for scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of vaccines in children. They highlight how Dr. Prasad's fear-mongering over vaccine side effects predates any actual data on pediatric vaccines, suggesting a bias that undermines public health efforts. The episode underscores the dangers of such misinformation, particularly when it influences public perception and behavior during a global health crisis. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	COVID Controversy: Are Doctors Using Tone Policing to Silence the Truth?	18 Aug 2024	00:49:48
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the harmful effects of tone policing within the medical community, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. They argue that tone policing is being used to protect prominent figures who have spread misleading information, such as Dr. John Ioannidis and Emily Oster, while silencing legitimate criticism. The hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining open debate and challenge the hypocrisy of those who prioritize politeness over truth, even as the pandemic continues to claim lives. The discussion underscores the need for transparency and accountability in public health discourse. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	What If Herd Immunity Was Never Possible?	11 Aug 2024	00:45:10
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the controversial topic of herd immunity in the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore how early beliefs in natural immunity, touted by prominent figures, have been debunked by the ongoing waves of COVID reinfections and deaths. The discussion highlights how some experts have attempted to redefine herd immunity to cover up their past mistakes, and the duo emphasizes the importance of admitting errors rather than misleading the public. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	How Anti-Vax Rhetoric is Endangering Children's Lives	04 Aug 2024	00:38:19
In this episode, Dr. Howard and Wendy discuss the troubling trend of politicizing vaccines, focusing on recent comments by Trump and JD Vance against vaccine and mask mandates in schools. They explore the misinformation spread by notable figures like Marty McCary, who falsely claimed that no healthy children have died from COVID. The episode also addresses the alarming resurgence of COVID cases in San Francisco and the potential return of mask mandates. By debunking myths and highlighting the real risks COVID poses to children, especially those with conditions like asthma and obesity, the hosts aim to provide a clear and factual perspective on the importance of vaccinations. Resources CDC COVID-19 Data Tracker Johns Hopkins Medicine COVID-19 Resource Center MedPage Today: Think Twice Before Giving the COVID Vax to Healthy Kids Science Based Medicine: Reflections on a Failed Prediction ABC 7 San Francisco: Rising Bay Area COVID-19 Cases San Francisco Chronicle: Indoor Masking Considerations Amid Summer COVID Wave The Defender: COVID-19 Vaccine Myocarditis Link Autism Action Network: Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Concerns National Vaccine Information Center Fair Health White Paper on COVID-19 Mortality Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	COVID Vaccines vs. Routine Childhood Vaccines	21 Jul 2024	01:01:25
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss a controversial Reuters article revealing a Pentagon-led secret anti-vax campaign aimed at discrediting China's Sinovac vaccine. They delve into the ethical implications and consequences of this campaign, highlighting the impact on public trust in vaccines. The hosts also address recent COVID-19 trends, vaccination debates, and the importance of maintaining routine childhood immunizations amidst the pandemic. List of Resources Reuters Article: Pentagon Ran Secret Anti Vax Campaign to Undermine China During the Pandemic CDC COVID-19 Data Tracker American Academy of Pediatrics: COVID-19 Vaccine Recommendations WHO: Measles CDC: Polio Vaccine Information American Academy of Pediatrics: Routine Childhood Vaccinations NIH: COVID-19 Vaccines and Natural Immunity Johns Hopkins Medicine: COVID-19 and Children Harvard Medical School: Vaccines and Immunizations UK Health Security Agency: Measles and Pertussis Outbreaks Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Fact-Checking Dr. Ioannidis' COVID-19 Statements	14 Jul 2024	00:32:40
Jonathan Howard's latest podcast episode revisits the early COVID-19 predictions of Dr. John Ioannidis, a prominent figure known for his controversial stance on herd immunity and the pandemic's severity. Howard plays clips from Ioannidis' interviews and writings, highlighting significant discrepancies between his optimistic projections and the actual outcomes of the pandemic. The episode also addresses Ioannidis' views on vaccine side effects, contrasting them with the broader scientific consensus. Howard provides a thorough fact-check, drawing from various sources to debunk misleading claims and emphasize the importance of evidence-based approaches to public health. List of Resources Dr. John Ioannidis' interview on "Perspectives on the Pandemic" (April 17, 2020) "A Fiasco in the Making: As the Coronavirus Pandemic Takes Hold, We Are Making Decisions Without Reliable Data" by Dr. John Ioannidis (Stat News, March 17, 2020) "Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Harms of Exaggerated Information and Non-Evidence-Based Measures" by Dr. John Ioannidis (March 19, 2020) "COVID Cases Up 250% in Two Months: This Variant Is Harder to Duck" (The Gothamist, July 4, 2024) "COVID Levels in Bay Area Wastewater Now as High as Winter Peak" (Bay Area News, July 2024) "More ER Patients in Florida Test Positive for COVID: The Surge Is Different This Time" (Florida Health News, July 2024) NIH Study: "Reinfections from the Virus that Causes COVID-19 Likely Have Similar Severity as the Original Infection" (July 11, 2024) "COVID Vax Not Linked to Sudden Deaths in Young Adults" (MedPage Today, 2024) "Hundreds of Young Americans Have Now Been Killed by the Coronavirus Data Shows" (Washington Post, April 8, 2020) Dr. Ioannidis' statements in various interviews and articles (April 2020 - June 2020) Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Great Barrington Declaration's Doomed Herd Immunity Plan	07 Jul 2024	00:57:24
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the Great Barrington Declaration, a controversial document that proposed achieving herd immunity by allowing COVID-19 to spread among low-risk populations. They explore the impracticalities and dangers of this plan, the public's rejection of it, and the declaration's failure to protect vulnerable individuals. The discussion highlights the unrealistic expectations of the declaration's authors and the real-world consequences of their recommendations. This episode underscores the importance of practical, evidence-based public health strategies. Resources The Great Barrington Declaration - Original document outlining the plan for achieving herd immunity through natural infection. Medscape Article on Biden's Cognitive State - A piece discussing the speculation about President Biden's cognitive state during the pandemic. Science-Based Medicine Articles - Analysis and critiques of the Great Barrington Declaration and its premises. House Report: The Atlas Dogma - A detailed examination of Dr. Scott Atlas's influence on the Trump administration's COVID-19 policies. Changing Age Distribution of the COVID-19 Pandemic - Study highlighting the spread of COVID-19 among different age groups and its implications. Kit Yates' Modeling Study - A study identifying the flaws in shielding strategies like the Great Barrington Declaration's focused protection. Voices for Vaccines - Noah Louis Ferdinand's series on the shortcomings of focus protection strategies. Newsweek Article: How Fauci Fooled America - An article representing the Great Barrington Declaration authors' criticism of Dr. Anthony Fauci. Florida Delta Wave Reports - News articles discussing the impact of the Delta wave in Florida, including school closures and record deaths. CDC Guidelines and Recommendations - Official guidelines on COVID-19 prevention and vaccination strategies. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Doctors Who Called COVID Over Too Soon	30 Jun 2024	02:02:11
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the premature declarations of herd immunity made by various doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic. They revisit statements by Dr. Marty McCary, Dr. Monica Gandhi, Dr. Lucy McBride, and others who incorrectly claimed that the pandemic was nearly over, even as new variants like Delta and Omicron emerged. The hosts discuss the impact of these false claims on public health and trust in medical professionals, emphasizing the need for accurate information and responsible communication. They explore how these declarations contributed to complacency and undermined efforts to control the virus. The episode underscores the importance of accountability and the role of hindsight in evaluating past public health strategies. Resources Great Barrington Declaration Articles by Dr. Marty McCary: "Natural immunity to COVID is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so." "We'll have herd immunity by April." "Risk of COVID is now very low. It's time to stop living in fear." "The Power of Natural Immunity" Articles by Dr. Monica Gandhi: "Stop panicking about COVID-19 variants" "The reassuring data on the Delta variant" "The cautious case for COVID optimism" Article by Dr. Lucy McBride: "I've been yearning for an end of the pandemic. Now that it's here, I'm a little afraid." Dr. John Mandrola's tweets and articles on the end of the pandemic Scott Atlas's articles: "Reentry After the Panic, Paying the Health Price of Extreme Isolation" "The Data Is In, Stop the Panic and End the Total Isolation" Urgency of Normal initiative Vinay Prasad's tweets and articles on the end of the pandemic Videos and interviews from various media outlets featuring the mentioned doctors Twitter feeds and public statements of the discussed doctors for further context. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Scientific Debate or Public Deceit?	26 Jun 2024	00:43:24
This episode of "We Want Them Infected" explores the early pandemic predictions made by Dr. John Ioannidis and the subsequent misinformation that spread from credible academic sources to conspiracy theorists and political figures. Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orant analyze Ioannidis's claims, such as the prediction that only 40,000 Americans would die from COVID-19 and the assertion that most deaths were not directly caused by the virus. They also discuss the impact of these predictions on public perception and policy. The episode includes an open invitation for doctors criticized on the podcast to join for a civil and evidence-based debate, highlighting the importance of accurate information and scientific integrity. List of Resources Stat News Article by Dr. John Ioannidis: "A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data" - March 17, 2020. BMJ Article by Dr. Ioannidis: "Coronavirus 2019: the harms of exaggerated information and non-evidence-based measures" - March 19, 2020. Science-Based Medicine Blog: Articles by Jonathan Howard critiquing pandemic misinformation. Fareed Zakaria Interview with Dr. Ioannidis: "Why the coronavirus models aren’t totally accurate" - April 9, 2020. Neil Ferguson's COVID-19 Model: Early pandemic predictions and their context. Fox News Segment: Mark Levin's introduction of Dr. Ioannidis and the subsequent interview. CDC Report: COVID-19 deaths and comorbidities. QAnon Social Media: Misinformation posts regarding COVID-19 death statistics. President Trump's Retweets: Amplification of COVID-19 misinformation. Santa Clara Antibody Study: Analysis and critiques of the study's findings. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	I've Been Cancelled. Will Bari Weiss Care?	16 Jun 2024	00:55:40
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss Jonathan's recent experience of being cancelled, censored, and silenced. Jonathan shares his story about being disinvited from speaking at a conference because his talk was considered "too political." The conference organizers, fearing backlash from powerful politicians and the potential negative impact on their organization, decided to cancel his talk. Jonathan challenges prominent figures like Bari Weiss, who advocate for free speech, to come to his defense. The episode critiques the misinformation spread by prominent doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic, emphasizing the contrast between genuine scientific discourse and the misleading information propagated by some well-known figures. Jonathan highlights how these doctors, despite their prestigious credentials, have contributed to the spread of COVID-19 misinformation and have influenced public health policies negatively. He contrasts their influence with that of known anti-vaxxers like Kelly Brogan, noting that while the latter's influence was predictable, the former's was more insidious due to their respected positions. The episode also underscores the real-world consequences of such misinformation, comparing it to the imaginary world these doctors seemed to inhabit. Jonathan and Wendy discuss the importance of accurate information and the dangers of allowing political influences to dictate scientific discourse. Key Points: Jonathan Howard's Cancellation: Jonathan was disinvited from a conference because his planned talk was deemed too political and potentially controversial. Challenge to Free Speech Advocates: Jonathan calls on Bari Weiss and other free speech advocates to defend his right to speak and challenge the silencing of scientific discourse. Critique of COVID-19 Misinformation: The episode criticizes doctors like Jay Bhattacharya, Vinay Prasad, and Scott Atlas for spreading misinformation about COVID-19, comparing their approach to that of known anti-vaxxers. Real-World Consequences: The discussion highlights the dangers of misinformation and the impact of political influence on scientific discourse and public health policies. Contrast with Anti-Vaxxers: The episode contrasts the influence of mainstream doctors spreading misinformation with that of known anti-vaxxers, emphasizing the former's more insidious impact due to their respected positions. Resources Mentioned: Jonathan Howard's Articles: Science Based Medicine - Platform where Jonathan publishes his articles critiquing COVID-19 misinformation. Key Figures Critiqued: Jay Bhattacharya Vinay Prasad Scott Atlas Bari Weiss John Ioannidis Martin Kulldorff Jeffrey Flier Referenced Media: JAMA Network - Journal of the American Medical Association, which hosted an interview with Jay Bhattacharya. The Hill - Publication that featured Scott Atlas's article "Re-entry after the panic." Related Movements and Concepts: "We Want Them Infected" Movement - Refers to the controversial approach of deliberately infecting young and healthy individuals to achieve herd immunity. Anti-Vaccine Movement - Mentioned in relation to Kelly Brogan and the disinformation dozen identified by the Center for Countering Digital Hate. By exploring these topics and resources, listeners can gain a deeper understanding of the complexities and controversies surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic and the broader implications for scientific discourse and public health. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Dark Truth About COVID-19 Natural Immunity Claims	09 Jun 2024	00:47:46
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent focus on the escalating hostility towards Dr. Anthony Fauci, spurred by political rhetoric and the divisive stances of certain doctors advocating for herd immunity. They explore the history of Fauci's comments on masks, the critiques from the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, and the broader implications of these conflicts for public health. The episode also touches on the parallels drawn between current public health debates and historical examples of persecuted scientists, emphasizing the detrimental impact of misinformation and personal attacks on public health efforts. List of Resources Great Barrington Declaration - Website Newsweek Articles - Various critical op-eds on Dr. Fauci by Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya Science-Based Medicine - "The Road to Hitler is Paved with Masks and Vaccines" by Jonathan Howard Wikipedia - Information on Dr. Anthony Fauci and the Great Barrington Declaration Reason Magazine - Video titled "Stop Trusting Public Health" featuring Vinay Prasad Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - COVID-19 Information National Institutes of Health (NIH) - Profile of Dr. Anthony Fauci Twitter - Official profiles of Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and Dr. Vinay Prasad Books - "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry, for historical context on pandemics and public health Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Why Using Children as Human Shields for Herd Immunity Is a Dangerous Lie	02 Jun 2024	00:41:48
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the pro-infection movement that supports infecting unvaccinated children to achieve herd immunity. They discuss the recent conviction of Trump and the public's reaction, highlighting the parallels between political and medical misinformation. The episode critically examines statements made by figures like Dr. Scott Atlas and Dr. Vinay Prasad, pointing out their inconsistencies and the potential harm of their advocacy. The hosts stress the importance of relying on scientific evidence and the dangers posed by spreading misleading information. Resources CDC COVID-19 Information: CDC World Health Organization (WHO) COVID-19 Updates: WHO Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Tracker: Johns Hopkins Science-Based Medicine Articles: Science-Based Medicine FDA COVID-19 Vaccine Information: FDA Dr. Scott Atlas Interview with Tucker Carlson: Tucker Carlson Interview Vinay Prasad's Articles on COVID-19: Vinay Prasad ZDoggMD YouTube Channel: ZDoggMD Dr. John Ioannidis's Research: John Ioannidis National Institute of Health (NIH) COVID-19 Resources: NIH Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Vaccines and Variants: What Went Wrong in 2021?	27 May 2024	00:53:05
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the problematic communication surrounding COVID-19 vaccines in 2021. They highlight the overly optimistic claims made by several doctors and how these statements contributed to public mistrust when vaccines did not completely eliminate transmission or provide long-term immunity. The episode critiques the medical community's handling of vaccine messaging and emphasizes the importance of honesty and caution in public health communications. List of Resources: CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Information: Website: CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Information Description: The official CDC page provides up-to-date information on COVID-19 vaccines, including guidance on vaccine effectiveness, safety, and recommendations. World Health Organization (WHO) COVID-19 Vaccines: Website: WHO COVID-19 Vaccines Description: The WHO provides global information on COVID-19 vaccines, including updates on vaccine approvals, distribution, and international vaccination efforts. Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center: Website: Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center Description: Johns Hopkins offers comprehensive data and research on COVID-19, including vaccine distribution, effectiveness, and public health impacts. Nature: COVID-19 Vaccine Research: Website: Nature COVID-19 Vaccine Research Description: Nature provides access to scientific research articles and studies on COVID-19 vaccines, including their development, trials, and effectiveness. New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) COVID-19 Vaccine Articles: Website: NEJM COVID-19 Vaccine Articles Description: NEJM features peer-reviewed articles and research studies on COVID-19 vaccines, offering insights into their clinical trials and real-world effectiveness. Science-Based Medicine: COVID-19 Vaccine Debates: Website: Science-Based Medicine COVID-19 Vaccine Debates Description: This platform provides evidence-based discussions and critiques on various aspects of COVID-19 vaccines, including public health messaging and misinformation. BMJ: COVID-19 Vaccine Coverage: Website: BMJ COVID-19 Vaccine Coverage Description: The BMJ offers articles and opinion pieces on COVID-19 vaccines, addressing issues such as vaccine hesitancy, public health policies, and clinical findings. MedlinePlus: COVID-19 Vaccines: Website: MedlinePlus COVID-19 Vaccines Description: MedlinePlus provides consumer-friendly information on COVID-19 vaccines, including how they work, possible side effects, and vaccination guidelines. American Medical Association (AMA) COVID-19 Resource Center: Website: AMA COVID-19 Resource Center Description: The AMA offers resources for healthcare professionals and the public on COVID-19 vaccines, including policy updates, clinical guidance, and educational materials. Healthline: COVID-19 Vaccine Updates: Website: Healthline COVID-19 Vaccine Updates Description: Healthline provides updated news and information on COVID-19 vaccines, covering developments in vaccine research, distribution, and public health recommendations. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Real Cost of School Closures During COVID-19	20 May 2024	00:50:04
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle the contentious issue of school closures during the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore the narrative that school closures were merely a choice influenced by cautious politicians and unions, contrasting it with the reality that the virus itself forced many schools to shut down. The hosts discuss the devastating effects on students, teachers, and families, highlighting cases of illness, death, and the rise in COVID orphans. They also criticize certain medical professionals for advocating mass infection strategies and collaborating with child labor proponents. The episode aims to debunk pandemic revisionism and emphasize the real costs of the pandemic on education and public health. Resources "COVID has left thousands of U.S. children orphans. Few states are addressing the crisis," The Guardian, 2023. "New York City students are missing school in record numbers," The New York Times, 2021. "Child COVID deaths more than doubled in Florida as kids returned to the classroom," Politico, 2021. "Teen Suicide Plummeted During COVID-19 School Closures, New Study Finds," Forbes, 2023. "Let the Kids Work," Jeffrey Tucker, 2016. "Was Closing Schools an Obvious and Colossal Mistake?" Science-Based Medicine, 2022. "We Want Them Infected: The Realities of COVID-19 School Policies," We Want Them Infected Podcast, 2024. "The case against COVID tests for the young and healthy," Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorf, 2020. "Should we let children catch Omicron?" Vinay Prasad, 2022. "Leak Brownstone Institute Emails Reveal Support for Child Labor and Underage Smoking," Walker Bragman, 2022. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Disputed Data: The Ongoing Debate Over COVID's Cardiac Effects	13 May 2024	00:48:23
The episode explores the complex narrative surrounding COVID-19's impact on cardiac health and the conflicting views on vaccine-induced myocarditis. By examining the discourse and publications of medical conservatives, the hosts illustrate a significant discrepancy in how COVID-19 cardiac problems are portrayed compared to those related to the vaccine. Highlighting specific cases and statistical misinterpretations presented by doctors like Prasad and Mandrola, the episode argues that such narratives could lead to public misunderstanding about the risks of COVID-19 compared to the relatively minor risks associated with the vaccine. The discussion extends to the broader implications of such medical communications during crises, emphasizing the need for balanced, data-driven information. List of Resources: Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA): Studies on COVID-19 vaccination and cardiac health. CDC Reports: Data on vaccine-induced myocarditis. Science Based Medicine: Articles analyzing medical claims and COVID-19. Medical Literature: Research papers on COVID-19 induced cardiac problems and vaccine side effects. Social Media and Public Statements: Analyses of tweets and public communications from Drs. Prasad and Mandrola. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Vaccine Myocarditis and Youth Risks	06 May 2024	00:42:29
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the concerns around vaccine myocarditis in children, emphasizing the rarity and mild nature of this side effect in the context of broader COVID-19 impacts. They provide a detailed analysis of the incidence and severity of COVID-19 among different age groups, underlining the disproportionate effects on black and Hispanic children. The hosts critically examine the statistical representation of COVID-related deaths and hospitalizations, shedding light on underestimation and overestimation issues. By comparing the effects of the disease and the side effects of the vaccine, they argue for the importance of vaccination, supported by numerous studies indicating lower risks of severe outcomes from vaccination compared to infection. The episode serves as an informative session on making informed health decisions based on scientific evidence. List of Resources: CDC Reports and Investigations: Examination of COVID death certificates and hospitalization rates during the pandemic. "Real World Analysis: COVID-19 vaccine is strongly effective for children and adolescents during Delta and Omicron": Published study from the University of Pennsylvania, highlighting vaccine effectiveness. "IL-1RA antibodies in myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination": Study from the New England Journal of Medicine, focusing on diagnostic criteria and outcomes "Medical Conservatives: a high rate of COVID myocarditis is 'good news'; a low rate of vaccine myocarditis is 'deeply concerning'": Article by Jonathan Howard on science-based medicine, addressing misconceptions and providing extensive references on the topic. American Heart Association and American Academy of Pediatrics Statements: Official responses to the vaccine myocarditis data, emphasizing its rarity and mild impact compared to COVID-19. Connect with us further on https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Methodolatry & Madness: The Pitfalls of RCTs During a Pandemic	28 Apr 2024	01:00:03
This episode of "We Want Them Infected" features a critical examination of the role and challenges of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orange discuss how the pandemic has tested the limits of RCTs, which are often considered the gold standard in medical research. They address the ethical concerns that arise when implementing RCTs during a crisis, such as the risk to participants and the feasibility of obtaining informed consent under emergency conditions. Jonathan shares his experience participating in an RCT for the AstraZeneca vaccine, highlighting both the personal commitment involved and the broader implications of such trials. The conversation also touches on the practical challenges faced by medical teams during the pandemic, including resource limitations and the psychological toll on healthcare workers. The hosts critique the weaponization of RCT rhetoric to undermine public health measures, discussing specific cases where RCTs were demanded as the only valid proof of effectiveness, despite the urgent need for timely action. They emphasize the importance of balancing scientific rigor with ethical responsibility and practicality, advocating for adaptive research methods that can respond to the dynamic nature of a global health emergency. List of Resources: Journal Articles on RCTs - Research papers that discuss the methodology, outcomes, and ethical considerations of randomized controlled trials. COVID-19 Studies - A collection of published studies specifically related to COVID-19 treatments and vaccine trials. Ethics in Medical Research - Books and articles that explore ethical dilemmas in conducting medical research during pandemics. History of RCTs - Publications detailing the development and evolution of randomized controlled trials in medical science. Public Health Policy During Pandemics - Resources that examine the intersection of public health policy, research methodology, and crisis management. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Evolution of Dr. Prasad's Views on Vaccines	21 Apr 2024	00:51:36
The focus of today’s episode turned to Dr. Vinay Prasad, a once-distinguished oncologist who has become a leading advocate for the controversial pro-infection movement. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent criticized Prasad's shift towards advocating for natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination in children, an approach they argue is both unethical and scientifically unfounded. The discussion highlighted Prasad's journey from a reputable medical expert to a figure promoting potentially harmful public health strategies. By tracing his public statements and writings, the hosts illustrated how his views have evolved, seemingly influenced by anti-vaccine rhetoric and the misinterpretation of scientific data. They pointed out the contradiction between Prasad's earlier professional achievements and his current advocacy, which includes supporting exposure to COVID-19 in children as a means to achieve herd immunity. The episode also touched on the broader implications of promoting such ideas, particularly the risk they pose to pediatric health and the potential erosion of public trust in vaccinations and established medical guidance. The hosts argued that this approach could lead to increased susceptibility to preventable diseases, not just for individuals but for public health at large. This stark transformation in Prasad's professional stance serves as a cautionary tale about the influence of misinformation in medicine and the delicate balance required in public health policy. As the debate over natural immunity versus vaccination continues, the episode underscores the importance of grounding public health strategies in robust scientific evidence and ethical considerations. List of Resources Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): Updates on COVID-19 vaccinations and health guidelines. World Health Organization (WHO): Information on global health standards and COVID-19 response. Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center: Real-time data and expert analysis on COVID-19 trends. National Institutes of Health (NIH): Research and guidelines on COVID-19 and vaccinations. Peer-reviewed medical journals (such as The Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine): Research articles on COVID-19, vaccinations, and public health policy. Books on epidemiology and public health policy: For comprehensive understanding and historical context on pandemics and health strategies. Science Based Medicine: Critical analysis of medical treatments, including debates on vaccination and natural immunity. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Dr. Scott Atlas's Role in Trump's COVID Response	14 Apr 2024	00:42:56
Dr. Jonathan Howard delves into the controversial tenure of Dr. Scott Atlas as President Trump's coronavirus advisor. Atlas, who lacked a background in infectious diseases, was a proponent of achieving herd immunity by allowing the virus to spread among low-risk populations—a strategy considered dangerous by many health experts. The podcast critiques Atlas's approach, which ignored the potential for severe consequences across all age groups and disproportionately impacted vulnerable populations. Howard points out that Atlas's policies were not grounded in solid scientific consensus but were instead influenced by a misinterpretation of herd immunity concepts. The episode also touches on the real-world outcomes of these policies, such as increased COVID-19 cases and deaths that could have been mitigated with more prudent measures. Additionally, Howard highlights the shift in public discourse as some supporters of Atlas's strategies attempt to reframe their past positions to appear more sympathetic towards children's education rather than admitting to their original intentions of using young people as a means to an end. This analysis is critical not just of Atlas but of the broader administration's handling of the pandemic, suggesting that a more measured, scientifically sound approach could have saved countless lives. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Cost of COVID-19 Decisions	07 Apr 2024	01:02:04
The conversation scrutinizes the advocacy for herd immunity as a response to COVID-19, highlighting the ethical and practical issues with targeting unvaccinated children and young adults for infection. It explores the aftermath of the Great Barrington Declaration, including minimized concerns for COVID-19 variants and opposition to vaccinations for children. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent also address the negative repercussions on healthcare services and education, underscoring the dissonance between initial pandemic strategies and subsequent reassessments of those approaches. The hosts emphasize the importance of reflecting on the pandemic's handling to understand the implications of decision-making during health crises. List of Resources: Great Barrington Declaration - An open letter advocating for a herd immunity approach to handling the COVID-19 pandemic. CDC Reports - Documents detailing the impact of COVID-19 on healthcare systems and the effectiveness of vaccines. Science-Based Medicine Articles - Analyses critiquing the scientific basis and implications of pandemic policies. Interviews with Dr. Scott Atlas - Various media appearances where Dr. Atlas discusses his views on COVID-19 management. House Sub-Select Committee Report - "The Atlas Dogma" report, evaluating Dr. Atlas's influence on the U.S. pandemic response. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Dissecting the Great Barrington Declaration	31 Mar 2024	00:58:06
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent engage in a comprehensive critique of the movement advocating for herd immunity through natural infection among unvaccinated populations. They dissect the flawed arguments presented in early pandemic responses, highlighting Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's controversial statements and the backlash from the scientific community. The episode critically analyzes the Great Barrington Declaration, its implications, and its failure to address the complexities of COVID-19 management effectively. Through their discussion, Howard and Orant explore the broader consequences of misinformation and the ethical considerations in public health strategies, emphasizing the importance of vaccination and accurate scientific communication. List of Resources Great Barrington Declaration: A controversial statement advocating for focused protection and herd immunity through natural infection. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's Writings: Articles and tweets from Dr. Bhattacharya offering a perspective on COVID-19's fatality rate and management strategies. COVID-19 Vaccine Studies: Research on the efficacy and importance of vaccination, especially in preventing severe outcomes among vulnerable populations. Public Health Response Critiques: Analyses and critiques of the various public health responses to the COVID-19 pandemic, including the effectiveness of lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccination campaigns. Ethical Considerations in Pandemic Management: Discussions on the ethical dilemmas faced by public health officials and the general public during the COVID-19 pandemic. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Herd Immunity: Scientific Optimism or Public Health Hazard?	24 Mar 2024	00:44:03
Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the strategy of intentionally infecting unvaccinated populations to reach herd immunity. The discussion revisits predictions made by health experts in the early stages of the pandemic, highlighting how optimistic expectations often fell short in the face of evolving challenges, such as the emergence of new variants. The conversation covers significant dates and statements from various health experts, analyzing their implications and the reality of their outcomes. The hosts discuss the ethical and practical considerations of exposing children and young adults to the virus, questioning the morality and feasibility of such approaches. Reflecting on the journey of the pandemic, the episode emphasizes the complexity of herd immunity as a concept and its role in public health strategy. It calls for a nuanced understanding of herd immunity, recognizing the importance of vaccination and the limitations of natural infection in controlling the spread of COVID-19. Through this detailed examination, "We Want Them Infected" provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of herd immunity, challenging previous assumptions and advocating for a more cautious and evidence-based approach to ending the pandemic. List of Resources Articles by health experts mentioned in the podcast (e.g., Dr. John Ioannidis, Marty McCary, Monica Gandhi, Dr. Lucy McBride). Science-Based Medicine website for articles on herd immunity and COVID-19 predictions. Johns Hopkins resources on herd immunity and vaccination strategies. The Great Barrington Declaration and its frequently asked questions for perspectives on herd immunity. CDC and WHO guidance on COVID-19, vaccination, and herd immunity. Research studies on the effectiveness of natural immunity and vaccination against COVID-19 variants. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	The Doctors Advocating for Natural COVID Immunity	17 Mar 2024	00:38:52
Dr. Jonathan Howard takes a solo dive into the rationale behind some medical professionals' controversial endorsement of natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination to achieve herd immunity. Addressing a query from a listener, the podcast episode aims to uncover the motivations behind such a high-risk strategy, beyond the commonly cited reasons of greed and political influence. Throughout the episode, Howard examines the stance of several respected doctors from prestigious institutions who surprisingly supported the notion of purposeful exposure to the virus among the unvaccinated, particularly children and young adults. This approach starkly contrasts with the global push for vaccination and stringent public health measures. Central to the discussion is Dr. John Ioannidis, known for his early pandemic research that suggested COVID-19's infection fatality rate was significantly lower than initially feared, likening it to that of seasonal influenza. Ioannidis's viewpoints, including skepticism towards lockdowns and the emphasis on the severe potential side effects of pandemic containment measures, are dissected to understand the underpinning logic of the pro-infection movement. Howard critically navigates through Ioannidis's and others' assertions, contrasting them with the devastating impact of COVID-19 as it unfolded, highlighting the dangers of underestimating the virus's lethality and overestimating herd immunity's achievability without vaccines. The episode concludes on a reflective note, pondering the lessons learned from this pandemic approach and the importance of humility and adaptability in the face of evolving scientific evidence. List of Resources: Perspectives on the Pandemic, Dr. John Ioannidis Interview on YouTube. COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California - Study by Dr. John Ioannidis. The Great Barrington Declaration website. Science-Based Medicine blog - Analysis and critique of pandemic responses. CDC COVID-19 Response - Official data and guidelines. WHO COVID-19 Dashboard - Global statistics and research updates. "Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Harms of Exaggerated Information and Non-Evidence Based Measures" - Article by Dr. John Ioannidis. The Washington Post - Articles discussing Dr. Ioannidis's pandemic viewpoints. Stat News - "A Fiasco in the Making? As the Coronavirus Pandemic Takes Hold, We Are Making Decisions Without Reliable Data" by Dr. John Ioannidis. Fareed Zakaria GPS - Interviews discussing the pandemic response. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	COVID Strategy Flaws	10 Mar 2024	01:00:01
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the complex and controversial strategies surrounding COVID-19, particularly focusing on the approach to infect unvaccinated individuals for herd immunity. They critique the Great Barrington Declaration's focus on protecting the elderly and other high-risk groups through measures like testing, reduced staff rotation, and non-admittance of COVID-19 affected individuals into nursing homes. They highlight the challenges and impracticalities of these measures, citing real-world examples and expert opinions. The conversation sheds light on the broader ethical and logistical issues in managing the pandemic and protecting vulnerable populations. List of Resources: Great Barrington Declaration: Original document proposing focused protection as a way to manage the COVID-19 pandemic. Voices for Vaccines: Articles by Noah Lewis Ferdinand critiquing the Great Barrington Declaration. CDC Reports: Data and analyses on COVID-19 transmission dynamics and vaccination effectiveness. The New York Times: Articles on the ongoing challenges faced by nursing homes during the pandemic. Health and Human Services Reports: Insights into infection control lapses and staffing shortages in nursing homes. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Strategies and Failures in COVID Management	03 Mar 2024	00:46:56
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, which proposes allowing COVID-19 to spread among unvaccinated children and young adults to achieve herd immunity. This strategy, according to the declaration, would protect vulnerable populations through "focused protection." Howard and Orent explore the ethical and logistical challenges of this approach, highlighting the difficulty in segregating vulnerable individuals from the rest of the population. They question the feasibility of creating an "impenetrable wall" to shield those at risk and critique the declaration's simplistic measures such as frequent testing in nursing homes, reduced staff rotation, and the delivery of essentials to the elderly. The hosts argue that the declaration overlooks the complexity of COVID-19 management, offering solutions that are either too vague, impractical, or have been actively undermined by its proponents. Through their discussion, they expose the declaration's failure to account for the broader social and economic implications of letting the virus run rampant among younger, supposedly less vulnerable groups. Ultimately, Howard and Orent's analysis reveals the Great Barrington Declaration as a flawed strategy, lacking in comprehensive planning and sensitivity to the realities of the pandemic. Their conversation underscores the importance of a balanced and ethical approach to public health that protects all individuals, regardless of their perceived vulnerability to COVID-19. List of Resources: The Great Barrington Declaration - The official document outlining the declaration's approach to COVID-19 management. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - Offers updated guidelines and information on COVID-19, including measures to protect vulnerable populations. World Health Organization (WHO) - Provides a global perspective on COVID-19 management strategies, including critiques of herd immunity. Science-Based Medicine - Features critical analyses of health policies, including an article on the Great Barrington Declaration. New England Journal of Medicine - Contains detailed protocols for COVID-19 vaccine trials, offering insight into the scientific rigor of pandemic management. MedPage Today - Includes discussions and debates on the Great Barrington Declaration and herd immunity strategies. Hoover Institute - Hosts interviews and discussions with proponents of the Great Barrington Declaration, offering insights into their perspectives. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Vaccine Hesitancy in the Age of COVID	26 Feb 2024	00:40:49
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackled the contentious issue of measles outbreaks in New Orleans and Florida, placing a spotlight on the unconventional public health advice dispensed by Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. Ladapo’s guidance, which diverged from traditional outbreak management by allowing unvaccinated children to attend school, sparked widespread concern among public health professionals and vaccination advocates. The discussion extended beyond the immediate crisis, addressing the influence of anti-vaccine rhetoric, notably from figures associated with the Great Barrington Declaration, on public health strategies. The episode critically examined the implications of such policies on the broader goal of maintaining high vaccination rates against preventable diseases. Howard and Orant highlighted the danger of conflating the discourse around COVID-19 vaccines with other vaccination efforts, suggesting that such debates could erode trust in vaccines more generally. They pointed out the irony in the arguments of some anti-vaccine advocates, who, despite lacking expertise in infectious diseases, have significantly influenced public perceptions and policies. By dissecting statements from various public figures and comparing the responses to measles and COVID-19, the hosts underscored the inconsistency and potential harm in minimizing the impact of COVID-19 on children while overstating the safety of foregoing measles vaccinations. The podcast served as a call to action for a more informed and consistent approach to public health, emphasizing the necessity of trusting scientific consensus over politically or ideologically motivated guidance. In delving into the complex landscape of vaccine hesitancy, the episode illuminated the critical role of trust and accurate information in combating infectious diseases. The hosts' discussion was a stark reminder of the challenges facing public health officials in navigating the delicate balance between individual freedoms and the collective good in the fight against preventable diseases. List of Resources: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): For the latest guidelines, data, and research on measles and other vaccine-preventable diseases. World Health Organization (WHO): Provides global insights on vaccination, disease outbreaks, and health policy recommendations. The History of Vaccines: An educational resource by The College of Physicians of Philadelphia detailing the history and science of vaccination. Vaccine Confidence Project: Research and reports on public confidence in vaccines and the impact of misinformation. Science-Based Medicine: Articles and critiques on medical practices, including the discussion on vaccines vs. anti-vaccine movements. STAT News: For in-depth health reporting, including articles by Helen Branswell mentioned in the show. The Lancet: Peer-reviewed medical journal with research and commentary on health, policy, and diseases. Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health: Offers resources and courses on epidemiology, infectious diseases, and public health principles. National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID): Information on disease prevention, including vaccination awareness campaigns. Immunize.org: Provides practical and factual vaccine information for healthcare professionals and the public. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Sweden's COVID Strategy and Its Consequences	18 Feb 2024	00:44:23
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the contentious approach Sweden took towards managing the COVID-19 pandemic. Sweden's strategy, characterized by an avoidance of lockdowns and an emphasis on herd immunity, has been a subject of international scrutiny and debate. The hosts explore the implications of keeping schools open, the minimal use of masks, and the lack of social distancing measures in educational settings. As the episode unfolds, Howard and Orent critique the Great Barrington Declaration's influence on Sweden's pandemic policies, challenging the declaration's assertions with evidence of the strategy's shortcomings. The tragic outcomes, particularly the high death tolls in nursing homes and the subsequent reversal of policies, are highlighted to question the initial underestimation of the virus's impact. The podcast provides an insightful analysis, urging listeners to consider the complex realities of pandemic management beyond simplistic narratives of success or failure. It serves as a reminder of the critical need for informed and adaptable public health strategies in the face of evolving challenges. List of Resources: CNBC Article (April 22, 2020) - "Sweden Resisted a Lockdown, and Its Capital, Stockholm, is Expected to Reach Herd Immunity in Weeks" Science Article by Gretchen Vogel (October 6, 2020) - "Sweden's Gamble" The Guardian Article by John Henley (June 3, 2020) - "We Should Have Done More: Architect of Sweden's COVID-19 Strategy" International Journal of Education Research (2022) - "No Learning Loss in Sweden During the Pandemic: Evidence from Primary Schools Reading Assessments" Science Based Medicine Article (April 7, 2023) - "Yes, Schools Were Closed in Sweden" Swedish Corona Commission Report - Evaluates Sweden's pandemic response and its impact on nursing homes. Twitter Thread by David Stetson - Discussing Sweden's pandemic restrictions and measures. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

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