Wanderful the podcast is created and hosted by arts-in-business innovator David Pearl to help you bring a bit of wonder to your walking. Inspired by David’s not-profit social movement Street Wisdom that brings free guided in-person and online walking workshops to city streets in 80 countries and counting.
Each episode takes an entertaining and light- hearted look at an aspect of life we all secretly struggle with or want to get better at: optimism, creativity, relationships, wealth, direction… you get the idea.
We’ll start the walks by exploring the everyday challenge in the company of an entertaining and refreshingly, imperfectly human, guest. Then, following simple instructions provided by David, the walk becomes a way to get clarity, insight and learn new skills you can use every day to help you find answers to your life questions.
All you need is some headphones and a phone so you can get outside and walk whilst listening, but if you are tuning in at home then walking (slowly) inside your house, also works well too.
You can dig deeper into the power of wandering and getting off the beaten track in David’s book Wanderful: Human Navigation for a Complex World available at leading bookstores.
Follow @streetwisdom_ @davidpearlhere for more ideas and inspiration on leading a Wanderful life https://wanderfulpodcast.com/
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With the World Wide Wander just weeks away, we've edited together just a few of our favourite guests from the Wanderful podcast - sharing what they love about taking their creativity for a walk.
If you would like to join us in exercising your imagination, take a wander to https://www.theworldwidewander.com and sign up for free Walkshops across the globe, special guests, inspiration, ideas and laughter, all with like minded folk wanting to find #betterways
Timeline:
00.00 - 00.47: Intro Theme
00.47 - 04.55: Introducing the World Wide Wander
The Perfect Strangers
04.55 - 09.04: Pippa Evans
09.05 - 11.24: Ruby Rare
11.25 - 14.33: Sarah Ellis
15.12 - 16.50: Philip Cowell
16.51 - 21.01: Deborah Coughlin
21.02 - 23.13: Sir Tim Smit
24.19 - 25.50: Traci Ruble
25.51 - 27.20: Oli Barrett
27.21 - 31.05: Kia Cannons
31.06 - 34.24: Libby DeLana
34.25 - 38.17: Tom Morley
38.18 - 39.56: Satish Kumar
40.25 - 41.30: Sarah Corbett
41.31 - 42.40: Phillip Blom
42.41 - 44.18: Tina Roth Eisenberg
44.19 - 46.54: Introducing our Perfect Strangers / Reminder of the World Wide Wander
Wanderful: Inspiration On The Go... Season 5 Omnibus
Season 5 · Episode 8
Tuesday, May 2, 2023 • Duration 44:26
Hello wanderers… welcome to the finale of our fifth season of ‘Wanderful’".
If you’ve listened to any of the previous episodes, you will know this is a podcast which has been designed to be walked to, providing you with some ‘inspiration on the go’
Every week we invite an inspiring guest to join us… somebody with a refreshing take on life and its various twists and turns.
What you don’t know is that lots of the wonderful conversations get left on the cutting room floor.
However… David and our producer, Andrew, have scooped up some of that interview gold so you can take a wander through the magic we missed out on.
As ever… you can listen to this podcast in your home, but we think you will get the most inspiration if you boot up and join David @davidpearl_here @streetwisdom_ out on the streets or https://wanderfulpodcast.com
Season 5 finale features conversations with pianist, singer, choir leader, environmental campaigner and curator, Holly Cullen-Davies: Bestselling author, broadcaster and two-time TED speaker and voice of the Slow Movement, Carl Honoré: Peace-pilgrim, life-long activist, and former monk, Satish Kumar: Senior Partner McKinsey & Co, Arne Gast: Historian and author of several novels, journalism, politics, and philosophy; radio presenter, documentary film maker and public lecturer, Philipp Blom: The ‘Stand Up Drummer’, musician, key note speaker and team builder, Tom Morley and executive creative director, founder of ‘This Morning Walk’, co-host of the podcast This Morning Walk and author of ‘Do Walk’, Libby De Lana
03.57 - 08.09: Libby DeLana: The Hell Yes Chapter!
Wanderful: Inspiration On The Go with Anuradha Chugh
Season 4 · Episode 5
Tuesday, August 9, 2022 • Duration 38:49
"My purpose is to be a beacon for inspiration."
Anuradha Chugh is the CEO of Pukka Herbs since July 2021. She firmly believes that businesses can – and should – tackle climate change and address inequality. Anu has over 25 years’ experience in the CPG industry, holding positions in values-led progressive businesses like Ben & Jerry’s as Managing Director- Europe, as well as in some of Unilever’s flagship brands like Dove & Lipton, in different geographies of Europe, US, Latin America, Turkey & India.
Anu has demonstrated that she can lead businesses to thrive, transform and grow by creating value that is long-lasting and purpose driven. She is passionate about using the power of business to make a positive impact in society and is not afraid to step out of her comfort zone to drive change.
Anu is married to Rohit with whom she has two kids: Aditi and Varun, and loves spending time outdoors with their dog, Alfie.
14.00 - 15.43 Where to find inspiration: How to be a beacon for inspiration
16.00 - 19.56 What inspires Anu?
17.00 - 18.21 Routes: Mentoring women who have come from refugee and asylum seeking backgrounds
18.40 - 21.38 Doing good and doing well: Business and impact: Giving back to the Planet
22.50 - 24.22 Who benefits from Pukka Teas work?
26.40 - 25.49 The well being and health benefits of tea
Wanderful - A Stumbler’s Guide
Season 4 · Episode 4
Wednesday, July 27, 2022 • Duration 31:10
‘What one mountain taught one Londoner about life …step…by wobbly step.”
This week’s episode is a little off the straight and narrow. But that’s what Wanderful is all about. Finding wonder in life’s side roads.
I reckon the planet needs us to be more creative. So for World Nature Conservation Day, we decided to get improvising. Our producer Andrew Paine took some words that came into my mind as I was struggling down an Italian mountain and asked the composer Laura Cannell to add whatever music came into her mind as she listened to the text. We’re calling it the Stumblers’ Guide. I deliberately didn’t listen to what she’s done so this is a premiere for you and me. And also a chance to say thanks to a mountain that taught me a lot.
Laura Cannell's music straddles the worlds of experimental, contemporary, early & medieval music, her semi-composed, semi-improvised music draws on the emotional influences of the landscape whilst exploring the spaces between early and experimental music. She has released seven solo albums to critical acclaim, mainly performing on Overbowed Violin and Double Recorders. Her new solo album 'Antiphony of the Trees’, was The Quietus Album of the week and month in March 2022, received a 4 star review from Songlines Magazine and is featured in the May Wire Magazine. Laura’s music has been used for film & television internationally.
Wanderful: Inspiration On The Go with Sarah Corbett
Season 4 · Episode 3
Tuesday, June 14, 2022 • Duration 42:16
"My activism is just one tool in the activism tool kit."
Sarah Corbett is an award-winning activist, author, Ashoka Fellow and founder of the global Craftivist Collective. She grew up in a low-income area of the UK into an activist family and has worked as a professional campaigner for over a decade, most recently with Oxfam GB. She started doing craftivism (craft + activism) in 2008 to add a different tool of activism into the toolkit - a form of slow, quiet and intimate effective activism she calls ‘Gentle Protest’.
Due to demand, Sarah set up the award-winning Craftivist Collective in 2009, providing products and services for individuals, groups and organisations around the world to be effective gentle craftivists. Sarah’s work has helped change government laws, business policies as well as hearts and minds through her unique ‘Gentle Protest’ methodology. She works across the arts sector, charity sector and academia, as well as with unusual allies to reach people nervous of activism in an attractive and empowering way. Corbett regularly gives talks, events and happenings around the world. Her book “How To Be A Craftivist: the art of gentle protest” is now available in paperback. Her talk ‘Activism Needs Introverts’ was chosen as a TED Talk of the Day and has over a million views. You can preorder her Craftivist Collective Handbook here
With more than 25 years experience as a green entrepreneur, Dale launched Ecotricity (http://www.ecotricity.co.uk), the world’s first green energy company back in 1995. Today, it powers around 200,000 homes and businesses across the UK with renewable energy from the wind and sun.
Dale also owns Devil’s Kitchen (http://www.thedevilskitchen.co.uk), which makes vegan school dinners, and his latest business, Skydiamond (http://skydiamond.co.uk) – creating lab grown diamonds from the wind, rain and sun. His work focuses on three key areas – energy, transport and food – collectively responsible for 80% of our own carbon emissions.
He is Chairman and owner of Forest Green Rovers (http://fgr.co.uk) - recognised by FIFA as the “world’s greenest football club” and became a United Nations Climate Champion in 2018. He launched his first book, Manifesto in 2020, and is Executive Producer of the Netflix Original documentary, Seaspiracy.
Wanderful - Inspiration On The Go w/ Tina Roth Eisenberg
Season 4 · Episode 1
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 • Duration 41:12
“Trust Breeds Magic”
Tina Roth Eisenberg is a Swiss born and trained graphic designer. Over the past 16 years, she has started side projects that have organically turned into businesses: Tattly, Creative Mornings, Teux Deux and FRIENDS. Tina believes in generosity and kindness. She considers creating a fulfilling, kind work environment and welcoming, safe communities as her way of having a positive impact on the world.
Tina’s blog swissmiss launched in March of 2005 as a personal visual archive. Little did she know that it would eventually grow into a viral design journal with an average of 1 million unique visitors a month.
19.44 - 22.21 The link between creativity and innocence - everyone is welcome
22.38 - 23.38 Creative Mornings Manifesto
26.40 - 29.29 The Purpose of Creative Mornings
29.30 - 31.53 The ‘Field Trips’
32.50 - 35.30 Trust Breeds Magic
35.33 - 37.33 ’The Design Walk’ Exercise
37.54 - 40.26 Epilogue
40.27 - 41.12 Closing Credits
Quotes
“Your outer world is an expression of your inner world” (Tina)
The Wanderful Podcast: Re-Wilding Special with Paul Bulencea & Valeria Roselli
Season 3 · Episode 6
Wednesday, April 13, 2022 • Duration 38:07
"The wolves represent ‘wildness’ and if you ever have the occasion to see them and walk in the same place where they live and share the same territory as them, it's a privilege."
Paul Bulencea is an award-winning author, educator, entrepreneur and speaker inspiring forward-thinking Fortune 500 companies and governments to foster innovation and drive sustainable growth by shifting business models from services to co-creative transformational experiences.
Following his vision to help organisations migrate to the Experience Economy, he co-founded The College of Extraordinary Experiences in 2016, which serves as a worldwide community and think tank for experience designers. The College is described by creative thought leaders a must for pioneers in experience design.
Since she was a child Valeria Roselli walked along the paths through the forest of the mountains where she was born. Her curiosity led her to explore and get to know the territory. While listening to stories from older people in the area, Valeria learnt the importance of the local traditions and how necessary it was to preserve traditions and value the past.
Her love of nature and for the Abruzzo mountain’s became her passion, which in turn became her profession. She is now a nature guide, environmental interpreter and Nordic walking instructor and an expert guide in the Italian Apennines.
00.45 - 06.54 David introduces the re-wilding special
06.55 - 11.59 What is the fascination with ‘tracking’ wildlife?
12.00 - 12.48 Combining tracking with trailing
12.50 - 13.53 The benefits of sitting and observing
13.56 - 17.15 The story of the Red Deer
Wanderful: Inspiration On The Go w/ Johanna Gibbons
Season 3 · Episode 5
Tuesday, March 1, 2022 • Duration 35:53
“Despite all our best endeavours… we rely on six inches of soil and the fact that it rains.”
Discover more stories of hope with Johanna and other climate innovators on the newly released ‘The Green Room - What (On Earth’s) The Story’ film on You Tube.
Johanna Gibbons is a Landscape Architect and Fellow of the Landscape Institute. Jo was named a Royal Designer for Industry for her ‘pioneering and influential work combining design with activism, education and professional practice’. She is founding Partner of J & L Gibbons practice, Director of social enterprise Landscape Learn and a core research partner with Kings College London of Urban Mind. Jo is a panel advisor to Historic England and the Forestry Commission. She is a Trustee of Open City and publishes and lectures widely.
13.07 - 16.10 How we can connect with the soil: re-wilding, composting, digging holes
16.55 - 19.15 Community effort and grass-roots
19.17 - 21.12 Day-lighting water and understanding natural processes
21.15 - 26.50 Johanna’s Four Steps
26.51 - 31.18 The Wanderful Exercise: Someone’s Something
31.36 - 35.05 Epilogue - Post Exercise
Wanderful: Inspiration On The Go w/ Ben Morison
Season 3 · Episode 4
Tuesday, February 22, 2022 • Duration 30:03
“In 2018 we built the world’s first sailing boat, made from already used plastic.”
Discover more stories of hope with Ben and other climate innovators on the newly released ‘The Green Room - What (On Earth’s) The Story’ film on You Tube.
Ben Morison is CEO of Far & Wide Travel, and has worked in the Africa travel industry all his life. He started the Flipflopi Project after witnessing the dramatic impact that plastics are having on the continent that has given so much to him. He became convinced that plastic was far too valuable, versatile and often beautiful to be used just once and thrown away. His mission; ‘a world without single-use plastics’.
10.56 - 14.20: Fast Emerging Consumer Populations and Winning the Plastics Challenge
14.24 - 18.15: Bringing value to re-cycled plastic
18.17 - 21.18: Using creativity to convene
21.20 - 24.11: The Wanderful Exercise: Finding value in ‘rubbish’
24.32 - 29.07: Epilogue: Waste as an act of appreciation
29.08 - 30.02: Closing credits
Quotations
08.10 - 10.00: Introducing Tom Morley
10.02 - 15.53: Tom Morley: A Brush With The Law
15.55 - 18.40: Introducing Philipp Blom
18.42 - 21.29: Philipp Blom: Grouse & Imagine: The Culture Of The Cafe
21.30 - 23.52: Introducing Arne Gast
23.55 - 29.40: Arne Gast: Riding the S-Curves
29.45 - 31.08: Introducing Satish Kumar
31.10 - 33.13: Satish Kumar: A Maternal Wisdom
33.20 - 35.07: Introducing Carl Honoré
35.10 - 37.34: Carl Honoré: The Genesis of (B)older
37.40 - 39.00: Introducing Holly Cullen-Davies
39.04 - 41.54: Holly Cullen-Davies: Thula Mama
41.57 - 44.00: Epilogue: Gratitude
44.00 - 44.26: Closing credits
Quotes
Libby DeLana
“I’m a big believer in the beginner’s mind. Starting things is terrifying and wonderful and interesting, so am I a beginner? I’m a 60 year old beginner of everything.”
Tom Morley
“The Clash sung ‘I fought the law and the law won.” I would love to re-mix that and call it ‘I fought the law and the people won.’ We have to stand up for our eroding rights.”
Philipp Blom
“The coffee you buy (in the cafe) is in fact not a cup of coffee: it’s an entrance ticket. It entitles you to sit there as long as you want… that means of course, that things can develop and you can sit there and watch people, and sit there and read your novel or sit there and write your novel. It’s such a luxury in today’s world.”
Arne Gast
“ I see that my (S) curve is flattening when i become at ease; when I feel like I got this, I like this, that’s the moment the inner voice starts saying… hmm.. let’s do another near-death experience, start anew somewhere.”
Satish Kumar
“Whatever you see… is divine, is sacred. There is no separation between humans and nature and no separation between God and nature. This is the beauty of Indian culture: everything is God, everything is divine, everything is nature. This is what I learned from my Mother.”
Carl Honoré
“In the blink of an eye, I went from goal-scorer to Grandad… age took on this terrible power… defining and limiting me. I just thought this can’t be right. Why was I feeling a door was being slammed in my face just because of the numbers on my birth certificate?”
Holly Cullen-Davies
“Singing is proven to release endorphins in the same way as exercise is and it’s proven to release more endorphins when you do it with other people and I just see these people light up.”
26.41 - 27.57 How does Anu promote her own health?
28.00 - 31.25 Work in the post-pandemic world
29.41 - 33.54 The Wanderful Exercise: The Heart Led Walk
34.10 - 38.00 Epilogue
38.01 - 38.50 End Credits
Quotes
“I don’t think choices can be all that rational.” (Anu)
“Packaging has to emotively speak to you. It has to grab you emotionally, while you’re walking down an aisle. Something as functional as that really has to be emotionally driven.” (Anu)
“You gravitate towards what you find exciting - there is a little bit of intentionality that comes into it.” (Anu)
“You have to find the higher purpose of what really makes you tick in that space - you have to articulate for yourself the purpose of why you get up in the morning.” (Anu)
“I need to inspire myself and inspire those I lead. You get the best work from yourself if you are a beacon for inspiration.” (Anu)
“We’re rediscovering business as a force for good.” (Anu)
“The more you grow the more positive impact you have.” (Anu)
“In today’s world we all have to do business which is regenerative.” (Anu)
“As long as people keep buying what you’re selling, then everything that you then sell has a positive impact to that last person or maybe that first person who has been wild berry picking somewhere in Guatemala. And that’s the circle.” (Anu)
“The solution will be with business working with governments and charity institutions.” (Anu)
“You are putting health and well-being in their cup.” (Anu)
“You’re selling health.” (Anu)
“Life is more about being rather than doing.” (Anu)
29.35 - 34.25 The Tale of the MP & the Handkerchief
34.28 - 37.55 The Wanderful Exercise: In Their Shoes
38.12 - 41.29 Epilogue
41.30 - 42.16 End Credits
Quotations
“My activism is just one tool in the activism tool-kit.” (Sarah)
“I knew change doesn’t just happen in transactional and loud and public ways.” (Sarah)
“My craftivism is all about where are the gaps and where can craftivism fill certain gaps to compliment other tactics and where can it bring in audiences who are scared of activism but (who are) influential.” (Sarah)
“My approach to craftivism is Gentle Protest.” (Sarah)
“There’s something in the process of craft that’s really helping me slow down, calm down and think more strategically, so I thought there must be something in this.” (Sarah)
“If we want to make change then gentleness can be so powerful, and putting yourself in the power holder’s shoes, and not just the person affected.” (Sarah)
“The gentleness is treading lightly and being gentle with people.” (Sarah)
“It’s more about trying things out and being light touch on everything… not holding things and forcing things.” (Sarah)
“If you receive something which feels a little manipulative… you’re going to close off. You want people to feel genuinely encouraged and accountable.” (Sarah)
“When I’m angry… I jump it out, I dance it out, I power walk somewhere, I just shake the anger out of me. Long term anger is chronic and produces really bad health and mental health problems. I know anger is a good catalyst, but I need to shake it out.” (Sarah)
“I swing from really angry to okay.. .how am I going to use this anger in an effective, useful way, which won’t change the world dramatically but I can try and make some nudges and tweaks with the little power I have as one little scouser.” (Sarah)
16.45 - 19.10 Forest Green Rovers FC and the Green Agenda
20.00 - 21.40 Business versus Politics
21.50 - 23.00 Thoughts on Leadership - the Ecotricity ethos
23.40 - 25.27 Adopting the best elements of business
25.30 - 27.20 Business, Government and the People
27.25 - 29.12 The Wanderful Exercise - Slow Right Down
29.30 - 33.10 Epilogue
33.11 - 33.55 - Outro
Quotes
“ A term I learned in my twenties, was ‘new radical dis-possessed’ and we had been dispossessed… we are dispossessed by the system of wealth and wealth maintenance. Money stays with the people who have money and the rest of us are kind of cogs in the wheel.” (Dale)
“When were the first company in the world to start selling green electricity and were able to price match brown electricity… it seems obvious to me the way to get real traction for the environment cause for sustainability is for it to become a business opportunity or at least for it to be business like.” (Dale)
“The conventional environmentalist way of communicating is too often about doom and gloom and catastrophe on a global scale, which makes people feel a little powerless and a little bit hopeless. At the same time the presentation of living a green life is made to feel like we’re asking people to give up the way we live.” (Dale)
“Living a green life is just as good, it’s actually better - you will live healthier and longer.” (Dale)
“We have to get away from this altruism first approach, which says its about polar bears, melting ice and people somewhere else in the world and actually come back to the people in this country which we’re asking to change their lives and say ‘this is actually about you’, our economy, it’s about Green sustainable jobs, a stronger economy that supports our people better and in the process doesn’t create pollution of the air, the land and the water and then fighting the climate crisis just becomes a happy by-product.” (Dale)
“On day 1 of being in charge of a football club (Forest Green Rovers) I found we were serving red meat to the players and I got the manager and the chef together and we agreed to stop it on that day. The Sun called it a ‘red meat ban’ which was fantastic, we leaned into that infamy that they created for us and day by day I bumped into things that had to change in terms of environment and ethics. After a couple of weeks, I realised this meant we would be creating a green football club and we would be communicating to a very different audience, the world of football fans, and that appealed to me.” (Dale)
“Football is the most incredible platform to reach people..” (Dale)
“We have a one-page ecotricity manifesto, which we share with everybody that joins us. It talks about how we want people to treat other people - it’s about openness and honesty, admitting mistakes when made, so we can fix them and move on in a non-judgemental way, and treat people how you would like to be treated yourself.” (Dale)
“I think it’s really important to do something before you talk about it. Prove it, do it and then when you talk about it you’ve got a standing to persuade other people to then pick that up themselves. There are two ways to bring change in the world. One is to do it yourself, necessarily limited by what one person can do. The other is to be the catalyst for other people and it comes back to do it first, show other people you can become a catalyst and other people will follow you and then you create more change that way..” (Dale)
“There are three things, which between them, account for about 80% of everybody’s carbon footprint and general unsustainability - energy, transport & food - it’s about how we power our homes, how we travel and what we eat and these are things we all spend money on every day. If we choose to spend that money on a greener option, where we can, that sends a very big signal to businesses who are picking this up and changing what they do, adapting to what people want and then the government picks that up from business. And these three sectors from our society are the main players - business, government and the people - and we have much more power than we realise because ultimately - we’re the consumers of everything that’s produced, we are the people who drive demand and our money gets to choose which way the world goes round.” (Dale)
36.09 - Bonus Feature: David descends the mountain (field recording)
Quotes
“What I like about tracking is that it shows you how everything is inter-connected. (Therefore), it’s much easier to become self-aware and to understand how inter-twined everything is by observing and seeing and noticing.” (Paul)
“Trailing is where you follow the tracks until you find and discover the animal.” (Paul)
“The moments spent in nature are special. Every day is a new day for a new moment and a new emotion.” (Valeria)
“One of the Bison came very close, he was very curious… about 7 metres and was just looking at us. I made eye-contact and in that gaze with a wild animal… it felt like finding ‘home’. It’s very hard to describe because it’s an experience we rarely have nowadays.” (Paul)
“When you’re calm and not tense, then you start seeing things all around you.” (Paul)
"The wolves represent ‘wildness’ and if you ever have the occasion to see them and walk in the same place where they live and share the same territory as them, it's a privilege.” (Valeria)
“ Landscape connects our family. It’s my work but it’s also all my passions - soil diversity, urban forestry, rain water management and the connection with the natural cycles and connection with everything that feeds the soul and gives you a joy of life.” (Johanna)
“To me, a city is a landscape.” (Johanna)
“It’s not muck-away, this is one of the most important, critical infrastructures of the planet and we talk about muck-away. It comes from ignorance, it comes from a mis-understanding or nobody pointed it out in the first place.” (Johanna)
“There is a disconnect with nature and the most fundamental aspect of terrestrial life on earth… is soil.” (Johanna)
“A handful of soil has more microbes than there are people on this earth.” (Johanna)
“We do like digging holes. Because when you dig a hole you reveal all sorts of secret horizons, a layer cake of human endeavour, of natural cycles, it depends if it’s urban, brownfield, greenfield… and therein lies the story.” (Johanna)
“The whole re-cycling energy is to do with the soil and not touching it… letting it repair itself.” (Johanna)
“Nature is resilient if we would let it be.” (Johanna)
“Composting… because it is (soil) like black gold. You take your good quality waste, you put it into a hot rotter (?) and it comes back as soil. It is quite a magical thing.” (Johanna)
“Despite all our best endeavours… we rely on six inches of soil and the fact that it rains.” (Johanna)
“In 2018 we built the world’s first sailing boat, made from already used plastic.” (Ben)
“The reality of this challenge we have around plastic pollution and climate change generally, is it needs a holistic global approach. So what’s lacking here is confident, cheerful, positive voices from… African voices, who are taking leadership roles… and if you look around there’s not really many strong leadership roles, positive one’s too, that are coming from our environment. It’s really important for us to have that positive voice.” (Ben)
“The reality is, if I am a young man in Kenya and I am on a date with somebody, I’ll be in a car… I will wind down the window, I will drink my bottle of water and I will throw it out the window in a deliberate ostentatious show of… ‘I’ve arrived, I’m a consumer now.” (Ben)
“We as the developed world have had the starter, main course and dessert of this amazing thing called plastic… it’s developed our economies and now… just as some other parts of the world are just starting to develop consumer economies… we… how dare we go… oh we don’t want you to start with that (plastic). So, there’s some complexity to how we as a global community have this conversation. We have to be nuanced and thoughtful.” (Ben)
“If you give value to anything… stuff will happen. So what we wanted to show by building a boat was, using already used plastic… we can build a boat. That’s got value as a creative art object. It’s got value as something you go fishing in or take tourists in or travel in. It’s not really about the boat, it’s about the fact we were able to re-cycle or re-use and create something of value.” (Ben)
“The boat is a convener. If I arrive up the Clyde in a brightly coloured boat that looks like Elmer the Elephant, I can guarantee that the policy makers will definitely be keen to come and welcome it in and its going to draw lots and lots of crowds of people, because they want to see it. Of course, for the media it’s a very interesting thing to capture, so you now have the three ingredients you want to engage with.” (Ben)
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