"Waking Up to Narcissism" is a podcast hosted by Tony Overbay, LMFT, host of the award-winning Virtual Couch podcast, dedicated to helping individuals recognize and navigate narcissistic traits and tendencies in their relationships and within themselves. With a focus on emotional immaturity versus narcissism, Tony provides tools and guidance for personal growth and managing relationships with narcissistic or emotionally immature individuals, even if that individual is you!
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We're All Emotionally Immature. Some Are Narcissists. Which Are You?
Season 1
Thursday, October 8, 2026 • Duration 01:43:32
Narcissistic personality disorder vs. emotional immaturity: what separates the two, and why that difference shapes how you heal.
On Greg and Amy Langford's podcast Undressing Intimacy, Tony draws on psychologist Elinor Greenberg's view of narcissistic personality disorder as a set of coping strategies from childhood. From there, he walks through ego-syntonic and ego-dystonic traits, whole object relations, and object constancy, the ideas that explain how a partner can be furious one minute and ask where you want to go to dinner the next. Before the interview, Tony shares a session in which a client discovered that his long-running complaint about his marriage was also keeping him from having conversations he wasn't ready for. Tony also wonders whether the familiar stories the pathologically kind tell themselves, like "it's my fault" or "what if I'm the narcissist," might be protecting them in a similar way.
Episode Highlights
Learn Greenberg's three markers of NPD: self-esteem that can't hold on its own, a need for outside validation to regulate emotions, and the lower empathy that grows out of both
Understand ego-syntonic vs. ego-dystonic, and why someone who keeps asking "am I the narcissist?" is usually showing the self-reflection a personality disorder tends to lack
See how a lack of object constancy leaves only two settings: special and perfect, or a worthless pile of garbage
Walk through Tony's five rules for interacting with a narcissist: raise your emotional baseline, get your PhD in gaslighting, get out of unproductive conversations, set healthy boundaries (and how they differ from ultimatums), and accept that you'll never give the other person their aha moment
Hear Greg and Amy's own turning point, when Greg asked "what's hard about being married to me?" and wanted the real answer
Tony Overbay, LMFT, has worked as a couples therapist for more than 20 years and sees 15 to 20 couples a week, so he gets a close look at where emotional immaturity ends and a personality disorder begins.
If you've been stuck wondering whether the problem is you, your partner, or both, this conversation gives you a clearer place to start. And go subscribe to Undressing Intimacy to hear more from Greg and Amy at Link Forward Life Coaching.
Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch on Tiktok @virtualcouch on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft and on Substack https://thevirtualcouch.substack.com/ You can reach out to Tony through his website tonyoverbay.com or by emailing contact @ tonyoverbay.com
00:00 Hydration Wake Up Call
01:35 Good Nutrition Sponsor
02:38 Show Setup and Guest Interview
03:22 Narcissism vs Immaturity
05:35 Unhealthy Coping Loops
07:25 Runner Procrastination Spiral
09:30 Marriage Aha Moment
13:18 Grace and Abuse Boundaries
15:54 Interview Begins Intro
18:15 Tony Origin Story
22:06 Podcasts and Narcissism Trend
26:20 Defining Narcissism Framework
27:26 Ego Defense and Safety
38:08 ACT vs CBT Mindset
40:32 Validation and Intimacy Talk
42:54 Language Learning to ACT
44:27 Validation Seeking to Curiosity
47:57 Four Pillars Couples Model
51:13 Narcissism Black and White
54:57 Ego Syntonic vs Dystonic
01:01:59 Five Rules With Narcissists
01:02:25 Raise Emotional Baseline
01:07:44 Gaslighting and Boundaries
01:10:31 Co-regulation and Safety
01:12:45 Resisting Old Hooks
01:13:24 Letting Go of Epiphanies
01:14:28 The Honest Turning Point
01:15:30 Space to Breathe
01:22:52 Outcome-Independent Growth
01:25:28 Rituals That Repair
01:29:28 Can Narcissists Change
01:30:10 Differentiation in Therapy
01:39:33 Inner Child Quote
01:42:03 Wrap Up and Where to Find
Why Good People Defend Leaders (and Others) Who Contradict Themselves: Identity, Bias & Belonging
Season 1
Thursday, September 24, 2026 • Duration 52:37
Why do smart, thoughtful people believe such different things? Authority bias, confirmation bias, and belonging shape what we believe long before we can explain why.
Tony starts with a kid raised in an East Coast fishing town, and another raised hiking Arizona trails. He uses them to show how beliefs tend to form through family, community, and identity, with the reasons showing up later. Then he brings the same lens to politics from a neutral place. He looks at how a trusted "Uncle Mike" can shape which questions feel worth asking, and why changing your mind can get psychologically expensive when your people are on the line. Along the way, he argues that changing your mind can be a sign your mind is working.
In this episode:
Understand confabulation, the way the mind builds sincere explanations for a belief after the fact, with no dishonesty required
See how authority bias and confirmation bias work together, from what you type into a search bar to the evidence that ends up feeling convincing
Recognize when certainty is working as armor, and what emotionally mature leaders do with disagreement, uncertainty, and their own contradictions
Try a question that can get you further than "what evidence do I have?": who taught me to look at this in the first place, and what information would help me reconsider?
Practice understanding without agreement, so you can keep your convictions and still stay curious about the person across the table
Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist with more than 20 years of experience helping individuals and couples move from defensiveness toward curiosity and connection.
Give it a listen, and maybe add one follow-up question to your week: how did I come to believe that? I'd love to hear what came up for you, so send me a message or drop it in the comments.
Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch on Tiktok @virtualcouch on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft and on Substack https://thevirtualcouch.substack.com/ You can reach out to Tony through his website tonyoverbay.com or by emailing contact @ tonyoverbay.com
00:00 Welcome and Setup
00:54 Fishing Town Identity
02:56 When Someone Hates Fishing
05:44 Politics as Fishing
08:14 Confabulation Explained
09:56 Authority Bias and Uncle Mike
13:42 Confirmation Bias in Search
15:20 Flip Side Conservation Lens
16:45 Hiking Permits Debate
19:48 Belonging Versus Being Right
21:58 Choosing Political Authorities
24:54 Cognitive Dissonance and Rationalizing
27:24 Identity Cost of Changing Minds
29:18 Certainty as Armor
30:12 Leader Follower Tradeoff
31:08 Questions for Leaders
32:16 Biases Hit Everyone
34:12 Confidence vs Insecurity
36:28 Uncle Mike Example
38:10 Groupthink Ecosystem
39:19 Why Followers Stay
41:34 Reconsidering Evidence
43:10 Healthy Leadership Model
45:11 Turn the Lens Inward
47:03 Understanding Without Agreement
48:49 Changing Minds Is Growth
51:20 Closing Thoughts and Outro
Death By 1,000 Cuts Pt. 12: Stopping at an Invisible Fence
Season 1
Friday, September 18, 2026 • Duration 01:06:11
Narcissistic relationship patterns can teach you where to stop, long after anyone has to correct you.
Installment 12 of Death by 1,000 Cuts uses the image of an invisible fence to describe how a dog learns to stop at a line nobody walking by can see, and how people living with emotional immaturity and ongoing criticism can learn in much the same way. Listener stories from husbands and wives describe rehearsing an afternoon in the driveway before walking inside, planning vacations that end at the same lake cabin every year, and giving up bedtime after enough notes from the doorway. Those adjustments made a lot of sense, and this episode makes room to get curious about which ones you still need.
Episode highlights:
Recognize how small, repeated corrections can teach your nervous system where the line is, even after the correction stops coming
Explore four patterns from listener emails: the walking, the accounting of your time, the illusion of choice, and being set up to fail
Hear a listener describe the attack surface in action, when a simple question about her husband's work landed very differently than the same question from their bishop two hours later
Notice whether your brain reaches for an escape hatch when a story almost matches yours, or starts stacking up evidence before you allow yourself to act
Consider next steps at a pace that fits your situation, including support and safety planning when more independence could bring retaliation
Tony Overbay, LMFT, has spent more than 20 years working with couples and has advanced training in betrayal trauma.
If one of these stories brought your own to mind, I'd love to hear it for a future Death by 1,000 Cuts episode. It doesn't need to be dramatic or polished, and you can tell me whether it's okay to share on the show.
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00:00 The Dog and the Line
03:03 Podcast Welcome and Series Setup
04:04 Termites and Tiny Cuts
06:03 Why People Don’t Get It
09:26 Listener Email Begins
10:14 The Narcissistic Laugh
12:07 Inside a Narcissist’s Monologue
18:25 Church Parking Lot Whiplash
21:10 Invisible Fence in Relationships
24:56 Curiosity Over Proof
28:52 Patterns Across Emails
29:50 Walking Ahead Stories
32:56 Small Cuts Add Up
35:11 One-Way Compromise
39:07 Accounting for Time
40:59 Interrogation Disguised
47:37 Illusion of Choice
51:08 Control by Attrition
54:19 Set Up to Fail
59:41 Invisible Fence Metaphor
01:01:35 What to Do Next
01:04:48 Closing Thoughts
Stuck in the Messy Middle: Grief, Divorce, and Emotional Immaturity - Live Q&A with Tony Overbay
Season 1
Thursday, September 10, 2026 • Duration 01:17:27
Was it narcissistic abuse, or were you the problem? Why does the fog lift after a divorce, and you still can't trust your own judgment?
In this second live therapist Q&A, moderated by Tony's daughter Sydney, almost every question came from someone in the middle of something: a divorce after ten years of marriage, an only child clearing out her late mom's house, a man texting a grieving partner and hearing nothing back, a listener whose therapist of eight years had died. Tony opens with why the brain, a prediction engine that wants certainty now, grabs the nearest story and runs with it. Then he catches himself doing exactly that on air, and leaves it in.
In this episode you'll:
Reframe "am I the narcissist?" into a question that can get you further: what happened to you in the relationship, and who were you becoming inside it
Recognize "making the right mouth sounds," where "You're right, I'm the problem" brings relief for both people, and the effort for change never arrives
Use the four pillars of a connected conversation when every issue you raise gets turned back on you
Notice the pathologically kind pattern of absorbing blame that was never yours to carry
Stay in grief, estrangement, and overthinking without a formula, with a nod to Dr. Joshua Coleman's Rules of Estrangement and a passage from Alex Michaelides' The Fury on the child still waiting inside the adult
Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist with more than 20 years of experience helping individuals and couples untangle emotional immaturity, high-conflict dynamics, and the stories the brain tells in the meantime.
If you have a question you didn't get to ask, send it to contact@tonyoverbay.com or through tonyoverbay.com, and there's a good chance Tony opens the next live with it. He also mentions scholarship spots for his revamped Magnetic Marriage course for anyone who was on the live.
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00:00 Welcome and Where to Follow
00:48 Mindfully Sick Storytime
03:25 The Messy Middle Theme
05:48 Brain as Prediction Engine
06:21 Jumping to Conclusions Live
09:03 Emotional Maturity and Safety
11:26 Discomfort and Relationship Dynamics
13:57 Live Q&A Begins
14:37 Divorce and Narcissism Question
19:39 Losing Yourself in Marriage
21:38 Journaling and Memory Doubt
23:47 Grief and Cleaning Out House
30:16 Self-Harm and Finding Help
32:15 Always the Problem Partner
34:16 Four Pillars Conversation Tool
37:11 Threats and Boundaries
39:14 Betrayal and Blame Shifting
41:21 Silent Since July Confusion
44:04 Supporting Grief Withdrawals
45:03 Grief Stages Mythbusting
47:15 Interdependence and Reaching Out
49:41 Boundaries and Respect
50:03 Breaking Things Abuse Cycle
51:18 Overthinking and Rumination
52:30 Accountability Versus Change
54:30 Leaving on Your Timeline
57:04 Estrangement and Parent Ego
01:00:46 Validation and Differentiation
01:07:24 Inner Child and IFS
01:13:47 Therapist Loss and Closure
01:16:10 Final Thanks and Next Live
The Relationship Episode Everyone Needs to Hear: Why We Explain Instead of Understand
Season 1
Friday, September 4, 2026 • Duration 01:15:22
When someone you love tells you, “Something you did hurt me,” what happens inside of you next? Do you become curious about what it was like to be on the receiving end of you, or does your brain immediately start building the case for why you did what you did, what you meant, what they misunderstood, and what they did first?
That difference may quietly shape almost everything that happens in a relationship.
In what may be one of the most important episodes of The Virtual Couch for anyone who is in a relationship, has been in one, or hopes to be in one someday, Tony explores the difference between self-explanation and self-examination—and why two people can genuinely love each other, both believe they are “working on themselves,” and still have completely different ideas about what that work actually means.
Drawing from more than two decades of couples therapy, Tony looks at what happens when one person is trying to understand while the other person’s nervous system is trying to make discomfort disappear. He explores defensiveness, emotional awareness, overthinking disguised as accountability, internal validation, boundaries, differentiation, people-pleasing, and the uncomfortable reality that sometimes we become so familiar with our story about our partner that we stop being curious about the actual person standing in front of us.
And then the conversation moves into one of the most vulnerable places this dynamic can appear: sex and intimacy. Tony walks through how two well-intentioned people can gradually create patterns of expectation, pressure, duty sex, resentment, withdrawal, and loneliness without either person fully understanding how they got there—and what can happen when both people finally become willing to look at the relationship with new eyes.
This episode isn’t about deciding who is the problem. It’s about learning how to remain yourself in the presence of someone else’s experience. How to hear something you don’t like without immediately defending against it. How to distinguish discomfort from danger. How to stop searching for the perfect explanation that will make everything okay and begin asking a much more useful question:
“What can I learn here?”
Because intimacy requires more than knowing someone’s history. It requires remaining curious enough to keep discovering who they are today.
Catch the moment your brain files its defense brief, usually before the other person has finished their sentence
Tell the difference between self-reflection that finishes and hands you something, and self-reflection that keeps combing the woods for evidence nobody asked you to find
Sit with the honest origin story of duty sex and pity sex in long marriages, and how two people build something painful out of materials neither of them was handed
Walk through the four pillars of a connected conversation, starting with the pre-pillar of separating observation from judgment
Try the week-long assignment: one genuinely curious question before the context, the explanation, or the correction
Twenty years and more than 1,500 couples in, Tony has noticed that the tools get far more useful once somebody can say, "I may not really know what this is that I'm doing."
A heads-up that the middle stretch talks openly about sex, intimacy, and coercion, so you may want to choose your listening company. Notice which person you identify with as you listen — and reach out through the website, and Tony will send you the PDF summary of everything covered here.
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The Unicorn Might Have Rabies: How Anxiety Keeps You "Safe" - Live Q&A
Season 1
Tuesday, August 25, 2026 • Duration 01:06:15
What do you do when you finally have language for your in-law's emotional immaturity (or dare I say narcissistic behaviors) — and your spouse, the one who grew up with it, doesn't see it yet. Do you tell them? Do you go directly to your in-law?
In his first live Q&A in a year, Tony takes on one of the most painful positions a partner can be in: watching your spouse work so hard to please a parent who rarely lets them feel enough, while any observation you offer lands like an attack. Tony explains why that reaction makes sense — recognizing a parent's narcissistic traits means asking someone to re-examine decades of memories they had filed under love — and why the instinct to hand them the word "narcissist" tends to close the door rather than open it.
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:
Recognize why your spouse may defend a parent's behavior they privately struggle with — the need to belong to our family of origin runs deep, and it's less denial than protection.
Distinguish narcissistic traits from NPD, and why emotional immaturity is often the more accurate and more workable place to start.
Name the gaslighting pattern of "that isn't what happened" and understand what it does to your sense of reality over time.
Learn why the most caring move is often patience with your spouse's timeline rather than presenting the evidence.
Hear a listener share how the Death by a Thousand Cuts series gave her the courage to finally leave — with the 12th installment on its way.
Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist with over 20 years of experience and a certification in treating betrayal trauma.
If you didn't get your question answered live, email it to contact@tonyoverbay.com — Tony is answering listener questions first in upcoming sessions.
Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch on Tiktok @virtualcouch on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft and on Substack https://thevirtualcouch.substack.com/ You can reach out to Tony through his website tonyoverbay.com or by emailing contact @ tonyoverbay.com
Taking the Long Way Home: Homer as Your Therapist, The Odyssey as Your Map
Season 1
Friday, August 14, 2026 • Duration 01:07:09
Emotional maturity takes the long way home, and Homer's Odyssey has been quietly showing the way for 2,800 years.
Underneath Christopher Nolan's new adaptation sits a poem that Tony Overbay, LMFT, thinks is one of the best pieces of therapy literature ever written, yet almost nobody reads it that way. The monsters aren't the point — they're the muse. Every obstacle Odysseus meets is asking whether he's willing to become somebody different, and if you've been away too long from your sense of self, from the marriage you thought you'd have, from the body you used to trust, from the faith that used to hand you certainty, or from the person you were sure you'd be by now, this one tends to land.
In this episode:
Meet the Lotus Eaters as experiential avoidance — coping that doesn't start as self-sabotage, it starts because it works, and then it quietly moves the destination
Borrow a rule from Tony's ultra-running days, beware of the chair, and notice how many races end beside a space heater rather than on a cliff
Tie yourself to the mast with a Ulysses contract, the decision your calm Tuesday afternoon self makes on behalf of your 11 p.m. Friday night self
Watch the Cyclops moment show up in a marriage, when "See, I told you so" reaches back and drags a conflict you'd already escaped into your future
Sit with David Schnarch's differentiation, and the difference between other-validated and self-validated intimacy
Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist who has spent over twenty years watching people discover they didn't know what they didn't know.
This is part one — part two takes on Schnarch's four points of balance. If the poem stirred something up for you, send it Tony's way and it may end up in the next episode.
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“Killed Them All, Of Course": The Mind of Robert Durst w/Attorney Kate
Season 1
Thursday, August 6, 2026 • Duration 01:31:19
Content warning: This episode includes discussion of homicide, dismemberment, and domestic violence. Listener discretion advised.
Robert Durst confessed on a hot mic — but the real story is watching a man confabulate in real time, for decades, and nearly get away with it.
In the first-ever Murder on the Couch guest episode, Tony is joined by his friend Kate, a civil attorney and lifelong true crime devotee, to break down the case behind HBO's The Jinx. Kate presents the case — the 1982 disappearance of Kathie Durst, the murder of Susan Berman, the Morris Black acquittal that still defies belief — while Tony reacts in real time with the psychology underneath it all: confabulation, childhood adaptations, and what actually happens when someone is finally confronted with a lie they can't tap-dance out of.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Why memory is "adorable and fallible" — and how the legal system's hierarchy of evidence accounts for exactly that
How Durst's defense team built reasonable doubt around an admitted dismemberment (and why the missing evidence mattered more than the conceded facts)
The difference between psychopathy and sociopathy — nature vs. nurture, charm vs. rage, and why nonviolent sociopaths walk among us
What a masterful cross-examination and an eight-hour couples intensive have in common: staying with someone's discomfort until the adaptation collapses
Why breakthroughs so often have a "shelf life" — and what it takes for real change to stick
Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist who has spent decades watching people confabulate, deflect, and defend in real time — just usually not on the witness stand.
If you've ever watched someone rewrite reality right in front of you and wondered how they believe their own story, this episode is for you.
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What If You're Not the Problem You Think You Are in Your Relationship?
Season 1
Tuesday, July 14, 2026 • Duration 01:09:45
What if the reason difficult conversations feel so impossible isn’t because you’re too sensitive, too anxious, or bad at communicating?
What if you’ve spent years trying to find the perfect words—only to have your questions dismissed, your feelings turned against you, or the conversation somehow become about everything you did wrong?
In this crossover episode of The Virtual Couch and Waking Up to Narcissism, Tony explores what has to happen before you can truly say the difficult thing. He breaks down the difference between ordinary fear and a nervous system that has learned through experience that vulnerability may come at a cost.
You’ll learn why explaining yourself more doesn’t always lead to being understood, how emotionally mature and immature people respond differently to difficult conversations, and why your partner’s defensiveness doesn't automatically mean you communicated poorly.
Tony also explores the importance of knowing who you are, learning to tolerate discomfort, recognizing when you’re trying to manage someone else’s emotions, and speaking from integrity without making your peace dependent on the other person’s response.
This episode isn’t about deciding that everything is someone else’s fault. It’s about becoming honest enough to recognize what belongs to you, what doesn’t, and whether the problem is really who you’ve believed yourself to be—or the relationship pattern you’ve been trying desperately to survive.
You'll learn how to:
- Recognize the catastrophic "simulations" your brain runs — and why it files imagined disasters right next to real memories
- Spot the difference between managing your partner's emotions and actually allowing them their own experience
- Say the true thing from a grounded place instead of a needy, validation-seeking one
- Understand why the leap is the last step, not the first — and why the "okayness" on the other side is something you build before you jump
Drawing on more than two decades as a licensed marriage and family therapist, Tony walks through what actually gets you across the chasm — and it's quieter, slower, and stranger than "just be braver."
Part two lands soon — send your questions and situations to contact@tonyoverbay.com and Tony will work them into the next episode.
00:00 Crossover Episode Intro
01:02 Bungee Jumping Story
05:36 Differentiation Explained
09:09 Codependency Fried Clams
12:20 Mature vs Immature Dynamics
17:03 Fine Text Example
22:50 Constructing Your Crucible
25:25 Therapy Gridlock Scripts
27:44 Attack Surface Vulnerability
33:27 Cliff Edge Say It
35:27 Leap of Faith Metaphor
38:41 Why Just Jump Fails
40:53 Advice and Validation Trap
44:47 Fear Is a Story
46:52 Emotional Immaturity Dynamics
49:20 Brain Prediction Machine
58:16 Grounding Before the Leap
01:03:29 Growth Edge vs Safety Data
01:08:13 Wrap Up and Next Steps
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What Happens When You Stop Needing to Be Right - Certainty, Curiosity, and Emotional Immaturity
Season 1
Wednesday, June 24, 2026 • Duration 01:07:10
Certainty isn't confidence. Often it's armor over deep insecurity—and it's how emotional immaturity and narcissism hide in plain sight.
In this Q&A crossover, Tony works through three listener questions and lands on the one most relevant to anyone untangling a high-conflict or emotionally immature relationship: why the most certain, "I-know-everything" voices feel so magnetic—and why something about them still feels so off. Drawing on Elinor Greenberg's work, he maps the spectrum from healthy ego all the way to pathological defensive narcissism, where being wrong feels life-threatening and protecting the story matters more than reality.
In this episode, you'll:
Separate healthy ego (earned, stable, correctable) from pathological defensive narcissism—a facade so thin a single question can deflate it like a helium balloon.
Name why narcissistic and emotionally immature people rewrite events in real time—a concept called confabulation.
Understand whole object relations and object constancy, and why someone can only see you as all good or all bad.
Recognize how groups organize around the loudest, most certain voice—and why the yes-men reinforce it.
Trust what you're sensing when someone's confident messaging keeps shifting; the inconsistency isn't your imagination.
00:00 Q&A Episode Setup
01:34 Three Questions Theme
05:18 Why Curiosity Matters
07:25 Brain Craves Certainty
09:03 Ambiguity Feels Threatening
10:49 Stress Kills Curiosity
13:14 Cognitive Flexibility
14:38 Certainty Gets Rewarded
17:39 Phone Privacy Conflicts
22:40 Four Pillars Framework
26:49 Validation Seeking Habits
28:37 Desert and Thirst Metaphor
31:28 Validation Seeking Pattern
32:04 Curiosity Over Self-Monitoring
34:05 Boundaries With Unavailable People
35:30 You Are Not Broken
36:19 ACT Mindset Shift
37:48 Language Learning Analogy
40:24 From Self-Criticism to Acceptance
42:06 Certainty vs Wisdom
48:27 Insecurity and Emotional Immaturity
50:43 Narcissism as Defense
56:27 Healthy Ego vs Defensive Ego
01:02:27 Leadership and Group Dynamics
01:05:21 Choose Curiosity and Close
Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist who has built his career helping people identify narcissistic traits, states, and tendencies in their relationships and in themselves.
If you've spent years doubting your own read on someone who's always certain and never wrong, this episode gives language to what you already sensed.
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