In this conversation, Phil Brown and Rach Davis explore the complexities of facilitation, particularly focusing on the dynamics of introversion, energy management, and the importance of personal style in facilitating workshops. They discuss the need for downtime after high-energy sessions, and the adaptability required in facilitation practices. Rach shares insights on balancing personal and professional energy, the evolution of her facilitation style, and the significance of creating engaging environments for participants. The conversation emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, flexibility, and continuous learning in the facilitation process.  

• Selective introversion affects energy levels during facilitation.
• Facilitators often wear a 'mask' in professional settings.
• Downtime is essential for recharging after high-energy sessions.
• Balancing personal and professional energy is crucial.
• Facilitation does not always need to be high energy.
• Understanding participant dynamics enhances facilitation effectiveness.
• Personal facilitation style evolves over time.
• Flexibility in facilitation techniques is important.
• Continuous learning is key to effective facilitation.

Learn more about Rach - https://www.rachdavis.com/

Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org

Support the podcast - www.verticalplaypen.org

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In this conversation, Phil and Graeme Hill discuss the importance of inclusivity in outdoor activities, particularly for individuals with disabilities and neurodivergent conditions. They explore the barriers that prevent participation, the need for a focus on abilities rather than disabilities, and the role of instructors and administrators in creating accessible environments. Graeme shares insights from his extensive experience in the field, emphasizing the importance of adapting programming and equipment to meet the needs of all participants. The discussion also touches on changing attitudes towards disability, financial considerations, and the future of inclusive outdoor activities.  

• Inclusivity in outdoor activities is essential for everyone.
• Focus on abilities rather than disabilities to empower participants.
• Barriers to participation often come from misconceptions and risk aversion.
• Instructors need training to support neurodivergent individuals effectively.
• Changing attitudes towards disability is crucial for progress.
• Financial arguments against inclusivity can be weak if not researched.
• The journey to participation is as important as the activity itself.
• Technical adaptations can enhance accessibility without expensive equipment.
• Promoting positive imagery of diverse participants is vital.
• The future of outdoor activities should be fully inclusive for all abilities.

Connect with Graeme - grazzahill@hotmail.com

Connect with the podcast;

email - podcast@high5adventure.org

instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/

Support the podcast - www.verticalplaypen.org

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In this episode, Phil Brown and Lisa Hunt discuss the upcoming workshop offering, 'Navigating Challenging Dialogue,' exploring its framework, importance, and real-life applications. They delve into the reasons why people avoid difficult conversations, the steps involved in preparing for such dialogues, and the benefits of personal scenarios in workshops. The conversation emphasizes the value of communication skills in various contexts, aiming to equip listeners with tools to navigate challenging dialogues effectively.

• Navigating challenging dialogue is a common human experience.
• Many avoid difficult conversations due to fear of damaging relationships.
• Preparation is key to effective communication in challenging dialogues.
• The process involves identifying the story in your head and relevant facts.
• Emotions are important but should be managed during difficult conversations.
• Real-life scenarios enhance the learning experience in workshops.
• Everyone can benefit from improving their communication skills.
• The workshop is designed for anyone in a position to give feedback.
• Challenging conversations can strengthen relationships rather than harm them.
• Having a clear process reduces anxiety in difficult dialogues.

Learn more about the workshop - https://high5adventure.org/navigating-challenging-dialogue-essentials/

Connect with Lisa - lhunt@high5adventure.org

Connect with Phil;

Email - podcast@high5adventure.org

Instagram - @verticalplaypen

Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org

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In this episode, join Phil and Rich as they dive into a fascinating discussion on the causes and effective strategies to reduce that moment when participants freeze in the air on a ropes course. 

Drawing from their extensive experience in outdoor adventure and team-building activities, they explore the psychology behind this common challenge and offer practical tips to help facilitators navigate their participant's fear.

Strategies include;

• Framing the day and creating an atmosphere of choice
• Designing the program that scaffolds skill and challenge
• Allowing participants to be lowered at any point in the their climb

Submit your questions to;

email - podcast@high5adventure.org

instagram - @verticalplaypen

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In this thought-provoking episode Phil and Lisa delve deep into the world of adventure education and one specific component: the concept of the unknown. Traditionally, adventure education often emphasizes keeping participants in the dark, shrouding activities in secrecy to create an element of surprise and uncertainty. However, we challenge this approach, arguing that it can have unintended consequences.

Join us as we explore the importance of maintaining a psychologically safe learning environment in adventure education. We discuss why withholding information and keeping participants in the dark may not always be the best strategy. We believe that pushing people into the unknown without adequate preparation can have adverse effects, potentially pushing them out of their comfort zones too soon, leading to discomfort, anxiety, and even negative learning experiences.

Whether you're an educator, adventure enthusiast, or simply curious about the dynamics of adventure education, this episode will provide valuable perspectives on how to create a more effective and psychologically safe learning environment. Join us for a candid conversation that challenges conventional wisdom and explores innovative ways to optimize adventure education for everyone involved.

Have a question for us?

Email - podcast@high5adventure.org

Instagram - @verticalplaypen

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Join Phil and Lisa in this insightful episode as we dive deep into the fascinating world of intrinsic motivation. We explore how motivation that arises naturally, rather than from external rewards, can be enhanced through various activities. We'll uncover the four key elements that play a pivotal role in boosting intrinsic motivation:

1. Challenge: Discover the importance of setting tasks that are just the right level of difficulty. Find out how striking the perfect balance between skill and challenge can ignite your inner drive.

2. Curiosity: Uncover the power of curiosity in fueling motivation. Learn how novel experiences and questions can stimulate your intrinsic desire to learn and explore.

3. Creativity: Explore how activities that encourage creativity can be a catalyst for motivation. We delve into the significance of having a voice in designing, executing, and solving tasks.

4. Choice: Understand the role of individual choice in intrinsic motivation. Whether it's a facilitator allowing for choices or activities naturally providing options, we explore how autonomy can empower motivation.

Tune in to gain valuable insights on harnessing your intrinsic motivation and applying these principles to various aspects of your life. Don't miss out on this episode that can transform the way you approach motivation and program design.

What topics would you like us to discuss? Let us know in the following ways;

Email - podcast@high5adventure.org

Instagram - @verticalplaypen

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In this episode, Phil shares with Rich that he has applied for US Citizenship and that he is studying for his exam, which results in Phil testing Rich.

Following this, Rich introduces the main topic of this episode, the importance of learning the names of your participants. Thoughts are shared on the following;

• The effectiveness (and ineffectiveness) of name games
• The best ways they have found for learning names
• Stories on when names have been forgotten and/or gotten wrong

If you have a topic that you would like us to discuss or a question for us, submit them to;

• Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
• Instagram - @verticalplaypen

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Welcome back to the second installment of our captivating interview with experiential education luminary, Vishwas Parchure. In this engaging episode, we continue our exploration of the art of facilitation as Vishwas delves deep into a range of thought-provoking topics, sharing his profound insights and practical wisdom.

Vishwas shines a spotlight on a common practice in facilitation - "hot-seating." Through a critical lens, he unpacks the potential pitfalls of this approach, revealing the hidden dynamics that can hinder authentic engagement and learning. Discover how Vishwas proposes a more nuanced and effective alternative that fosters a truly open and safe learning environment.

As the conversation unfolds, Vishwas addresses a fundamental question every facilitator grapples with: How much should you talk? Drawing from his wealth of experience, he provides a refreshing perspective on the delicate balance between guiding participants and allowing space for their own discoveries.

Vishwas takes a moment to reflect on the simple yet profound act of just being present with participants. He explores the transformative potential of genuine presence and its ability to create a safe space for exploration and growth.

In the finale of this episode, Vishwas unveils his holistic philosophy of facilitation, encompassing conditioning, conduct, and consciousness. Drawing inspiration from the story of the Buddha, he underscores the profound significance of active, empathetic listening in the facilitation process.

Prepare to be enlightened, challenged, and inspired as Vishwas Parchure shares his transformative insights and experiences in the world of experiential education. Join us as we conclude our illuminating interview with a deeper understanding of the art of facilitation and its profound impact on learning and growth.

Learn more about Vishwas and the Experiential Leadership Institute - https://www.experiential.institute/

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Join us in the first installment of a captivating two-part interview with the visionary experiential educator, Vishwas Parchure. In this episode, we delve into the very essence of Vishwas' profound work in experiential education and facilitation, gaining insights into his motivations, career-defining moments, and unique perspectives on the art of facilitation.

Vishwas opens up about the driving force behind his commitment to experiential education, revealing the transformative impact it has on participants. Through heartfelt anecdotes, he shares the pivotal moments that have shaped his journey, shedding light on the profound personal experiences that fueled his passion for this remarkable field.

One of the thought-provoking topics discussed is the concept of reflection within experiential learning. Vishwas begins by emphasizing that genuine reflection is a journey owned by the participants, not the facilitator. 

As the conversation unfolds, Vishwas shares his belief that facilitation is an art that cannot be taught in the traditional sense and how he creates opportunities for his students to teach themselves.

Whether you're an educator, facilitator, or simply curious about the world of experiential education, this episode promises to ignite your curiosity and challenge your perceptions. Join us for an enriching exploration of Vishwas Parchure's transformative work, as we uncover the wisdom that has driven his impactful career. Stay tuned for Part 2, where we delve even deeper into his insights and experiences.

Watch his AEE Address - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXvXWRrMeg4

Learn more about the Experiential Leadership Institute - https://www.experiential.institute/

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Phil and Chris delve into the question: What reigns supreme, the classic ATC or the innovative GRIGRI?

Join us as we embark on a comprehensive exploration, comparing and contrasting these two climbing essentials from multiple angles. We break down the pros and cons through the lens of program goals, training strategies, risk assessment, and financial considerations.

Whether you're an adventure educator pondering your next gear upgrade or an avid listener seeking a deeper understanding of belaying essentials, this episode promises to give you experienced opinions on the use of these 2 pieces of belay gear.

How to belay with a GRIGRI - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqrskjKwTfE&list=PL9uQzKJ3xhKp9zG3Y-ux44h_p40lDSUTv&index=8

Submit your questions to the team;

Email - podcast@high5adventure.org

Instagram - @verticalplaypen

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Join us in this podcast episode, "The Shared Experience," recorded live at the High 5 Adventure Symposium. Hosted by Phil and featuring a panel of enthusiastic attendees, this engaging session delves into the transformative power of adventure education.

The episode kicks off with an exploration of the profound impact of adventure education on everyday life. Next up, the focus shifts to one of the core aspects of adventure education - encouraging participants to listen actively. The panel discusses various strategies and techniques they employ to create a supportive and open learning environment where individuals feel heard and valued, fostering a genuine sense of connection and growth.

Intriguingly, the discussion then delves into the psychology behind the Dunning-Kruger effect and Imposter Syndrome. 

The conversation concludes with valuable tips on how to approach a challenging situation - talking to a supervisor about a disagreement. The participants share their experiences, offering practical advice on maintaining professionalism, articulating concerns effectively, and fostering constructive dialogue in the workplace.

Join us in this episode as we celebrate the power of adventure education and hear from different perspectives as we share our experiences.

Send us your questions - podcast@high5adventure.org

DM on Instragram - @verticalplaypen

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In this episode, join host Phil as he sits down with his long-time friend in the industry, Cam Miller, the Challenge Course and Facilitation Director at Kieve Wavus Education. 

Cam takes us back to the roots of his introduction to the world of adventure, recounting the pivotal moments that sparked his passion for pushing boundaries and exploring the great outdoors. Discover what has fueled Cam's commitment to the adventure industry and how his role as Challenge Course and Facilitation Director allows him to make a profound impact on the lives of others. 

Of course, it wouldn't be a complete conversation without a little fun! Join Phil and Cam as they draw unexpected parallels between their favorite Final Fantasy characters and their real-life personalities and what characters they would assign each other.

As the episode draws to a close, Cam opens up about the advice he's received throughout his career – the nuggets of wisdom that he holds dear and those that he respectfully disagrees with.

This is an episode packed with camaraderie, and valuable insights for anyone passionate about adventure, facilitation, or simply seeking personal growth. 

Connect with Cam - cammiller90@gmail.com 

Learn more about Kieve Wavus Education - https://www.kwe.org/

High 5 is Hiring - https://high5adventure.org/about-us/jobs/

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In this episode, Phil is joined by Niels Damman, the Course Services Manager at Experiential Resources (ERI), to delve into the world of challenge course training. Niels brings his experience and expertise to shed light on the pros and potential hurdles associated with trainer credentialing in this field.

Challenge courses have gained immense popularity as powerful tools for team building, personal growth, and experiential learning. However, ensuring the safety and effectiveness of these courses requires skilled and knowledgeable trainers. Phil and Niels discuss the importance of trainer credentialing and how it contributes to maintaining high standards and professionalism within the industry.

They explore the numerous benefits of trainer credentialing, such as enhancing participant safety, ensuring consistent and quality experiences, and building trust with clients and participants. 

While trainer credentialing offers significant advantages, the conversation also delves into potential hurdles that may arise during the process. Phil and Niels discuss challenges such as establishing universally recognized standards, addressing the cost and accessibility of training programs, and navigating the evolving landscape of technology and innovation in experiential learning.

Join Phil and Niels as they engage in a thought-provoking discussion on the importance of challenge course training, the benefits of trainer credentialing, and the potential hurdles that the industry faces. Whether you're a professional in the field, an enthusiast, or simply curious about the world of experiential learning, this episode will provide valuable insights into the evolving landscape of challenge course training.

Learn more about ERI - https://www.experientialresources.com/

Connect with Niels - niels@experientialresources.net

High 5 is Hiring - https://high5adventure.org/about-us/jobs/

Level 2 Training - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/multi-day-workshops-and-trainings/products/beyond-basics-level-2-training?_ga=2.4017907.256024607.1689279033-69781410.1683822041

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"ADHD is not an excuse, it's a reason."

In this episode, Phil and Ky Westcott (mental health advocate - @thevibewithky) delve into the complexities of introversion, mental health, and the evolving understanding of ADHD. They discuss the importance of authenticity in sharing personal struggles, the rise in ADHD diagnoses, and the need for better education around mental health in schools. Ky shares his journey from injury to self-discovery through social media, emphasizing the significance of vulnerability and emotional intelligence in today's youth. The conversation highlights the impact of societal changes on mental health awareness and the importance of supporting individuals in their mental health journeys.  

• Introversion does not limit performative abilities.
• The journey of self-discovery can start from personal struggles.
• Social media can be a platform for authenticity and connection.
• ADHD awareness is increasing due to more open conversations.
• Education systems need to adapt to the emotional intelligence of students.
• Mental health discussions were lacking in past generations.
• ADHD is a spectrum that evolves over time.
• Vulnerability in adults can positively influence youth.
• Stories of late diagnoses highlight the need for awareness.
• Support and understanding are crucial for mental health management.

Find Ky;

Instagram - @thevibewithky

TikTok - @thevibewithky

Listen to his podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/2LmJp4Q0kedi0OhKAoqIzp?si=aa7fba85ba964ebf

Emotions by High 5 - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/emotions-by-high-5

Connect with Phil;

Email - podcast@high5adventure.org

Instagram - @verticalplaypen

Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org

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In this episode Phil and Lisa explore different strategies and techniques that can enhance and deepen our connections with others.

Drawing from their personal experiences, Phil and Lisa shed light on various connection accelerators that have the potential to transform our relationships. They discuss topics such as collective novelty, emotional significance, joy, and the accomplishment of challenging tasks.

They emphasize the importance of sharing our WHY and not just our WHAT, allowing us to forge more authentic and meaningful connections. They also explore the role of choice and autonomy in engagement, highlighting how these factors contribute to building stronger bonds.

They provide practical insights and actionable advice on how to apply these connection accelerators in our everyday lives, helping us navigate both personal and professional relationships more effectively.

Whether you're seeking to enhance your social interactions, strengthen your team dynamics, or cultivate deeper connections with your participants, this episode offers a wealth of inspiration and guidance. 

Email - podcast@high5adventure.org

Instagram - @verticalplaypen

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We are joined on the podcast again by Loui McCurley, of PMI ropes and SPRAT (Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians). In this interview, Loui shares her invaluable insights on the critical topic of rescue plans, emphasizing their importance in ensuring the safety of individuals participating in ropes courses and similar activities.

We delve into the essential components of a rescue plan. Loui offers practical advice and guidelines for creating effective rescue plans, highlighting key factors such as risk assessment, emergency procedures, communication protocols, and the significance of ongoing training for staff.

Suspension trauma, a potentially life-threatening condition, also finds its place in our discussion. Loui sheds light on this physiological phenomenon that can occur during a fall arrest situation and explains the detrimental effects it can have on the body. She shares insights on preventive measures and the importance of prompt rescue interventions to mitigate the risks associated with suspension trauma.

Looking to the future, we explore Loui McCurley's perspectives and hopes for the growth of challenge courses and the rope access industry.

Tune in to this captivating conversation with Loui McCurley to gain a deeper understanding of rescue plans, the significance of staff training in ropes courses, the dangers of suspension trauma, and valuable insights into the future of challenge courses and the rope access industry.

Note: SPRAT (Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians) is a non-profit organization that promotes safe rope access work practices, provides certifications, and establishes industry standards.

Learn more about PMI - https://pmirope.com/

Learn more about SPRAT - https://sprat.org/

Connect with Loui - lmccurley@pmirope.com

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In this episode Phil had the privilege of sitting down with Loui McCurley, an expert in fall protection and rope access, CEO of PMI (Pigeon Mountain Industries) and original founder of SPRAT (Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians). 

One of the key aspects of fall protection is understanding the distinction between fall positioning, fall arrest, and fall prevention. Loui guides us through these different approaches, illuminating how each method serves a unique purpose in safeguarding individuals working at heights. Loui also delves into the contrasting approaches of active fall protection and passive fall protection.

Clear communication is vital in the realm of fall protection, and Loui emphasizes the importance of using the correct terminology when describing fall protection systems and equipment. She discusses how accurate terminology eliminates confusion and ensures effective communication between professionals, workers, and regulatory bodies, ultimately promoting a safer work environment.

Standards play a pivotal role in fall protection, and Loui highlights their significance in maintaining consistent safety practices. She delves into the process of creating fall protection standards, discussing the key principles that inform their development and implementation. Furthermore, she enlightens us on how these standards principles can be effectively taught to professionals, empowering them to uphold the highest safety standards within their respective industries.

In the world of fall protection, being authorized, competent, and qualified are distinct designations defined by OSHA. Loui explains the nuanced differences between these terms, shedding light on the specific requirements and expectations associated with each. Listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the qualifications and competencies necessary to ensure optimal worker safety and compliance with regulatory guidelines.

Join us for an incredibly informative conversation with Loui McCurley, as we explore the realm of fall protection, its intricacies, and its profound impact on worker safety. Whether you're an industry professional or someone interested in height safety, this episode promises to deepen your understanding of fall protection, leaving you equipped with valuable insights to promote a safer working environment.

Be sure to check out the next episode where we continue the conversation with Loui, this time discussing rescue principles and techniques.

Learn more about PMI - https://pmirope.com/

Learn more about SPRAT - https://sprat.org/

Connect with Loui - lmccurley@pmirope.com

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In this episode Phil is joined by Matt Marcus, the Manager of Adventure Gear and Sales at Challenge Design Innovations. With a wealth of experience and enthusiasm for the adventure industry, Matt takes us on a journey through his career, volunteer work, and his thoughts on the future of adventure education.

One of the highlights of Matt's journey has been his involvement with the Association for Challenge Course Technology (ACCT). We discuss his volunteer work with the ACCT, including his contributions as a board member. 

As we peer into the horizon, Matt shares his insightful predictions on the future of the adventure industry. He discusses emerging trends, technological advancements, and the evolving needs of adventure enthusiasts. 

We also explore Matt's belief in the importance of media training for adventure educators and facilitators. Recognizing the power of storytelling and effective communication, he discusses how media training can elevate the skills of those in the industry, enabling them to connect with participants on a deeper level and create impactful experiences.

Learn more about Challenge Design Innovations - https://challengedesign.com/

Connect with Matt - mmarcus@challengedesign.com

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Join us on this insightful episode as we sit down with Spud Marshall, a creative community builder and facilitator, to explore the nuances of facilitating and harnessing the power of collective wisdom.

In our conversation, we delve into Spud's personal journey and ask the thought-provoking question: "When have you felt most alone?" Discover how Spud's insights on navigating these feelings of solitude have shaped his approach to community building.

As an introverted facilitator, Spud provides a unique perspective on engaging with others while honoring his own energy. Learn how he leverages his introversion as a strength, allowing him to listen attentively, create safe spaces, and foster deep connections within the communities he serves.

One of the key aspects we explore is tapping into the collective wisdom of groups. Spud shares strategies, techniques, and stories that demonstrate the power of bringing diverse voices together to generate innovative solutions and collective intelligence.

Finally, we dive into the benefits of focusing on long-term outcomes for participants. Spud's experience reveals how nurturing a community's growth and development over time leads to lasting impact and transformation. Gain insights into the ripple effects that can emerge when facilitators prioritize the bigger picture and guide participants towards sustainable growth.

Learn more about Spud - https://mycreative.community/

Connect with Spud - iamspud5@gmail.com

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In this thought-provoking episode, Phil and Lisa unravel the essence of achievement, a realm where goals are often set externally, driven by the expectations and judgments of others versus the realm of accomplishment, where individuals set their own goals based on personal growth and learning. By empowering ourselves to define success and progress on our own terms, we explore how accomplishment provides a more intrinsic and fulfilling motivation. 

Drawing connections to the field of adventure education, we explore how educators can inspire and guide learners to cultivate a healthy balance between achievement and accomplishment. We reflect on the importance of encouraging students to set their own goals, fostering a sense of ownership and agency in their learning journeys. 

What did this make you consider regarding the way you work with your participants?

Let us know either by email - podcast@high5adventure.org or via instagram - @verticalplaypen

NY Times essay - "What we lose when push our kids to 'Achieve'" by Adam Gopnik - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/opinion/youth-achievement-happiness.html

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In this episode Phil answers the following questions submitted by you, the listeners;

- Is there room for introverts in facilitation?

- How do you stay genuine in a "performancy" profession?

- What is your favorite icebreaker question?

- Best closing to a single day program?

- Most under-appreciated facilitator skill?

- What's something you are bad at and are working on improving?

- What's your process when you have a bad day?

Submit all future questions to - podcast@high5adventure.org or send a message via instagram - @verticalplaypen

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Have you ever jumped into a role with limited experience and had to learn fast?

In this episode, Mike Nelson, formally of Camp Wicosuta, joins Phil and Lisa to discuss;

• Why summer camp?
• How he embraced learning and demonstrated humility in the new role
• What he wished he had known and questions to ask when running an adventure program
• Advice for new adventure program leads.

Connect with Mike - 23nelson@gmail.com 

Learn more about Camp Wicosuta - https://www.campwicosuta.com/

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Reflecting is often the part of the facilitation process that can seem the most daunting and challenging. How do you draw the learning from the experiences you create?

In this episode, Phil details the activities and lessons he taught during a recent workshop he led titled "Reflecting Skills and Methods".

• The golden minute of reflection
• Connection as reflection
• How framing activities can make for easier reflection
• How the ABCDE's of problem solving can be used to reflect

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Professional Hockey teams and High 5 have an interesting connection dating back to the 2010-2011 season when we first worked with the Boston Bruins. That season, they went on to win the Stanley Cup!

Since then we have had the privilege to work with the following hockey teams;

• Mannheim Eagles (a team based in Germany)
• New Jersey Devils
• Calgary Flames

One constant with these experiences has been Geoff Ward, who has served in various coaching roles for those teams.

In this episode Phil is joined by Jim Grout (High 5's Founding Director) and Geoff Ward to discuss the last decade of team development work with Hockey teams.

In this episode, Phil revisits the influential book 'Silver Bullets' by Karl Rohnke, sharing key insights and play pointers that remain relevant in adventure education today. He emphasizes the importance of engagement, flexibility in rules, variety in activities, inclusivity in team selection, and self-competition, all aimed at enhancing the experiential learning process.

• Engagement in activities is crucial for effective learning.
• Flexibility in rules can enhance participation and enjoyment.
• Variety in activities prevents boredom and keeps participants engaged.
• Inclusivity in team selection fosters a sense of belonging.
• Self-competition encourages personal growth and motivation.
• Minimizing rules can lead to more dynamic and engaging activities.
• Bending rules can adapt activities to fit different groups.
• Avoiding repetitive activities maintains interest and excitement.
• Observation can be a valid form of participation.
• Karl Rohnke's principles continue to influence adventure education.

Connect with Phil;

email - podcast@high5adventure.org

instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/

Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org

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Kyra Richardson (High 5 Trainer) and Ryan McCormick (Edge of Leadership) sit down together to discuss;

• Creating structure out of unstructured time
• Crafting opportunities to develop conversation skills
• Methods that can help conversations start
• Reflection that doesn't feel forced

Learn more about High 5's Edge of Leadership program - https://high5adventure.org/edge-of-leadership/what-is-eol/

Connect with Kyra - krichardson@high5adventure.org

Connect with Ryan - rmccormick@high5adventure.org

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Life is Good. These were the words that hung behind Trevor (Executive Director of Camp Nuhop) as he joined Phil to discuss;

• The experience of growing up at camp
• The benefits of the "swoop"
• Creating community with your staff
• Why "Life is Good"

Learn more about Camp Nuhop - https://nuhop.org/

Connect with Trevor - trevor@nuhop.org

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How does the way we introduce ourselves to our participants impact them?

Lisa asks Phil; "Inspired by a recent episode on Ego, how does how we introduce ourselves to our groups help with the self efficacy model of role models?"

This leads to thoughts on;

• Unachievable targets
• Authenticity and vulnerability
• Being relatable
• Sharing the why and not the what

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High 5's Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It's a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We've lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you. 

Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511

Perry Cohen (Founder and Executive Director of The Venture Out Project) joins Phil to discuss;

• His introduction to High 5 and Adventure Education
• Facilitation values and thoughts
• How The Venture Out Project began and its impact
• How to build a community
• Improving career access in the outdoor industry

Learn more about The Venture Out Project - https://www.ventureoutproject.com/

Connect with Perry - perry@ventureoutproject.com

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High 5's Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It's a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We've lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you. 

Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511

Chris Damboise (High 5's Director of Training) discusses the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) requirements for work at height and the use of full body harnesses as it relates to ropes courses.

You will also hear what steps High 5 is taking with regards to training our participants and clients in the use of full body harnesses.

Additional information can be found following the links below;

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3845.pdf ANSI/ASSP Z359.11-2021: Full Body Harnesses Safety Requirements.   Full body harnesses we recommend - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/harnesses/products/singing-rock-technic-full-body-harness-ansi

 

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High 5's Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It's a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We've lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you. 

Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511

What professional development opportunities can enhance your work as an adventure educator?

In this episode, Phil, Lisa, Chris and Rich (High 5 Trainers) discuss professional development ideas that may not be directly tied to the adventure educator profession yet have aided us in improving our abilities to do our jobs.

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High 5's Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It's a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We've lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you. 

Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511

 

As facilitators, we often find ourselves planning and leading activities to engage our participants and help them achieve their goals. However, do we need to share the names of these activities with our participants? While it's important to provide clear instructions and objectives for each activity, the name of the activity itself is not always necessary.

So, what is the purpose of activity names? One might argue that activity names serve as a way to categorize and organize different types of activities. However, it's important to remember that not all activities need to fit neatly into certain thematic buckets.

In fact, sometimes activities that are seemingly unrelated can be just as effective in achieving a particular goal. For instance, a fun icebreaker game that has nothing to do with teamwork might actually help break down barriers and create a more relaxed and open atmosphere among participants.

Moreover, activities that are overly prescriptive can actually hinder creativity and limit the potential outcomes. Instead of feeling constrained by the name or description of an activity, facilitators can encourage participants to approach the task with an open mind and think outside the box.

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High 5's Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It's a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We've lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you. 

Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511

In this episode Phil and Lisa discuss two topics related to professionalism: the misconception that wearing sunglasses can make someone appear less capable as a facilitator and the complexities of clothing and professionalism.

We challenge the assumption about sunglasses and talk about how biases can shape perceptions of competence and authority. Tune in to challenge assumptions and navigate what it means to be a professional.

Trevor Noah discussing professional work atire - https://youtu.be/2Qn9d5rrEhk

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In this episode, Phil delves into the problem of ego in trainers and educators, where this might come from and the impact it can have on their ability to teach effectively. 

We also hear from High 5's Founding Director Jim Grout as he tells a story that highlights the problem that ego can have on those who teach.

Phil then explores the idea that simply having years of experience or putting in long hours does not necessarily result in competency.

In this episode, Phil brings you insights from the recent Association for Challenge Course Technology conference. Here are his five key takeaways:

1. People from all over the world attended the conference, and the connections made are incredibly valuable.

2. Highlights from the 2 workshops that he presented.

3. What Portland was like?....spoiler...we never really left the conference area!

4. The importance of what makes a qualified course professional was discussed at length, emphasizing the need for a rigorous curriculum, experienced instructors and the need to share and collaborate.

5. We are excited to bring you interviews with some of the new folks we met at the conference.

Find out more about the KYOOB - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/kyoob

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman  

Phil discusses the top five skills essential for effective belaying. He emphasizes the importance of physicality, communication, adaptability, checklist adherence, and understanding physics in belaying. Each skill is explored in detail, providing insights and practical tips for both novice and experienced belayers. Phil encourages listeners to engage with him on social media to share their own insights and experiences.  

• Belaying requires a solid understanding of physicality and stance.
• Effective communication with climbers builds trust and safety.
• Receiving feedback is crucial for improving belaying skills.
• Checklists help prevent complacency and ensure safety.
• Understanding physics can enhance belaying effectiveness.
• Maintaining a proper belay stance protects your body.
• Regular check-ins with climbers can improve their experience.
• Adaptability in technique is key to being a great belayer.
• Visual aids can enhance understanding of belaying techniques.
• Engagement with the climbing community fosters learning and growth.

Contact Phil;

email - podcast@high5adventure.org

instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/

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In this episode, we explore the art of balancing group dynamics and safety when belaying on a ropes course while also respecting the participants awareness of tasks that are purely for behavior management.

Notes from Lisa Hunt.  This exchange happened somewhere back around 2001, and I wrote it up shortly thereafter with Ken's input:

The question of how to engage the most number of students at a time on a challenge course is one that is often raised in workshops.  A common approach is involving people (students) in the tasks of operations to "keep them busy."  Years ago, my co-leader during a workshop differentiated  these tasks as "real jobs" and "fake jobs," and challenged participants to consider the implications of both on student behavior and growth, as well as program quality over all.   

That co-leader is Ken Demas,  Veteran Physical Education teacher, former Project Adventure Trainer, coach, Board Chair at NYSAHPERD, Coordinator of Adventure and an Associate Prof. at Hofstra University  – an important mentor to me.  That conversation has come with me to so many subsequent workshops, and I wanted to go back to the source to hear more about Ken's experience and thoughts.  He has generously expanded this question here: 

Fake Jobs—Real Jobs:

As you may recall, one of the things I did for about 16-17 years, was to act as a consultant for NY Insurance Reciprocal.  One of the adventure cases I reviewed involved too many spotters, not too few. In an effort to involve more students at low elements, teachers would over involve students in spotting jobs.  One case in particular occurred at the rear of the "Wall". The teacher had used it as the culminating activity for the low element portion of the adventure unit. Because the entire class was involved, the teacher had placed 6 spotters at the ladder at the rear of the Wall.  When a student started to descend, she missed the step and fell backwards. Everyone was responsible and at the same time no one was responsible. No one moved. Too crowded?? Not engaged?? Not important enough??

Too many involved and therefore not a REAL JOB.  Students need to be invested in the job. See a real need for it.  Understand that what they are doing is important to the success and safety of the individual or individuals involve.  Too many spotters diminishes the significance of what they are doing.  

With this concept in mind, we fall into the same problem when we assemble a belay team.  A belayer, a back-up and when needed, an anchor should be more than adequate to manage a climber.  My least favorite bogus job is that of rope tender. I fully understand that it might look like a real job, but the kids know it is not.  Has anyone taught the rope handler how to coil the rope or flake it out so that when the climber descends it does not foul in the hands of the belayer?  Probably not. Couldn't the back-up do this job if taught properly?

The use of the Australian Back-up Belay involve kids in Real Jobs.  The facilitator as a ropes course manager, can engage more students in a meaningful way.  Properly trained belayers can determine whether or not the need an anchor. What weight differential is needed?  How does their position, whether near or far, alter the shear on the belay system and therefore alter resistance.  Make the job more than that of a counter weight. When the manager has competently train belayers, they have the opportunity to open more activities and thus engage more students. 

A good technique I used, required that student to make journal entries right after completing a climb.  Belayers were also encouraged to make entries during class.

Course design should be considered.  I mixed Australian with traditional belays.  Grigri set-up with competent kids and teams and I would belay Pamper pole events.  I was always positioned to see and control whichever elements were being used. Some folks might find this overwhelming.  But, my department at the middle school found that it worked.

Note from Lisa:

Ken Demas passed away in May of 2017.  He was a "once in a lifetime" kind of mentor.  At his memorial service, I met so many people who saw him in that same light.  He is deeply missed, and his adventuresome spirit and his questions of me continue to help me grow. 

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman   Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

 

 

In this episode, we delve into some fundamentals of belaying.

We cover the importance of maintaining a good belay stance, keeping both hands on the brake strand of the rope at all times, and enhancing your lowering techniques.

Good belaying is the cornerstone of climbing safety, and a solid understanding of these basic principles can make a big difference in both your facilitator experience and your participant's sense of security.

Whether you're a seasoned belayer or just starting out, this episode is packed with valuable information and practical tips to help you belay with confidence.

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman   Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

How often do you get the opportunity to co-facilitate during your programs?

This is the topic of discussion in this episode, with Phil joined by colleagues Anne-Louise, Ryan, Chris and Lisa.

What started as a question about how we learned to facilitate turned into a discussion on the benefits of co-facilitating and how that has had such an impact on our abilities over the years.

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman   Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

Here is part 2 of the conversation between Phil and Steve Woods. In this episode the following was discussed;

- How long trainings should last

- Thoughts on protecting the trainees

- How to assess trainee competency

- Facilitated programming vs commercialism

- Measuring program success

- The British belay technique with a catchy name.

Learn more about Vertex - https://www.vertex-training.co.uk/

Join the High 5 Training Team - https://high5adventure.org/job/full-time-adventure-educator-trainer/

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman   Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

What are the differences between being a trainer in the US vs the UK?

This was a question submitted to me by one of our listeners, so we reached out to Steve Woods, the Technical Director at Vertex Instructor Training, which is based in England, to see what differences and what similarities there are between us.

This is a 2 part episode and in this part we discuss - 

- Training newer practitioners

- Growing in the industry thanks to influential facilitators

- What is the essential component of a successful training

Learn more about Vertex - https://www.vertex-training.co.uk/

Join the High 5 Training Team - https://high5adventure.org/job/full-time-adventure-educator-trainer/

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman   Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

What are the pros and cons to repeating activities?

How do you handle participants who have experienced the activities before?

These questions (and more) and discussed in this episode and Phil, Lisa, Chris and Jim discuss activity repetition.

Tinker Book - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/books-digital-resources/products/tinker-building-purposeful-experiences-from-classic-adventure-activities

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman

Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

What are some of the elements that are important to consider when modifying activities for your participants?

Guest Host Rich Keegan chats with his friend and past colleague Jeff Dutko to discuss this very topic.

Jeff has worked for many years at the Gengras Center - find more information here - https://www.gengrascenter.org/

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman

Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

Hiring staff for summer camp can be a constant struggle. New thoughts and strategies should be considered.

Phil and Greg (formally of the Mayhew program) sit down to discuss their thoughts on;

- Creating a culture that encourages staff retention

- Training staff

- Staff hiring pitfalls

*This was originally recorded in the winter of 2019*

Connect with Greg - gregorystoutzenberger@gmail.com 

Learn more about the Mayhew Program -https://www.mayhew.org/

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman

How do you end your program, training or workshop?

The Training Team (Phil, Rich, Chris and Lisa) discuss how they end a program or workshop with a group.

Saying goodbye, closing activities and when to reflect with the group.

Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman

Outro music - Hold My Hand by They Dream By Day

What do you do at the very start of your program, training or workshop?

In this episode members of our training team (Phil, Rich, Chris and Lisa) discuss how they begin a program or workshop with a group.

Activities that set the tone, strategies to connect with the group early on and coping with awkward silences.

Priya Parker Ted Talk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppfONdsOkWI

Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/

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Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman

Outro music - Hold My Hand by They Dream By Day

 

 

This conversation delves into the significance of organizational culture, emphasizing its role in staff retention, employee engagement, and overall organizational health. Phil and Jim discuss the intentional strategies employed at High 5 to foster a positive culture, the importance of personal connections, and how challenges can test and strengthen that culture. They highlight the need for organizations to prioritize relationships and create environments conducive to growth, ultimately leading to a more engaged and committed workforce.  

• Culture is integral to what we do.
• Creating conditions suitable for growth is essential.
• Modeling good culture is more impactful than direct advice.
• Building connections and relationships is key to retention.
• Simple gestures can significantly enhance workplace culture.
• People leave jobs due to feelings, not just salary.
• Intentional strategies are necessary for fostering culture.
• Personal connections enhance team dynamics and morale.
• Culture is tested during challenging times, revealing its strength.
• A strong culture can coexist with financial success.

Connect with Phil;

email - podcast@high5adventure.org

instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/

Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org

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Play brings us joy and is an essential component of experiential learning.   In this episode Phil discusses the 4 primary neurochemicals that elicit happiness; Endorphins, Dopamine, Serotonin and Oxytocin, as well as activities that you can use with your participants to help participants experience them.

Disclaimer: Phil is not a neuroscientist.

Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/

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Intro music - Future is Now by FLYIN

Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

Outro music - Hold My Hand by They Dream By Day

If you were not limited by time, what problem solving activity would you like to lead?

Today's featured activity with no time constraints - The Pond Traverse

The traverse is an activity featured in High 5's Edge of Leadership summer program that really embodies the concept of problem solving.

Phil is joined by Anne Louise Wagner, and 2 past participants, Martha Lavigne from Keene High School and her former student Meagan McLaughlin to discuss their shared experiences.

Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/

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Intro music - Future is Now by FLYIN

Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson

Outro music - Hold My Hand by They Dream By Day

Hanne joins Phil to discuss;

- Her road to working at High 5

- Training philosophy and what she says at the start of a workshop

- How ducks are cute

Be sure to stick around to the end for a great fish joke.

Kyoob - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/kyoob?_pos=1&_sid=15975c890&_ss=r

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Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN

Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson