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Upwardly Dependent

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Frequency: 1 episode/15d. Total Eps: 35

No matter where you’re from or how you’re wrestling through your faith, you belong here. This space is meant for wrestling. If you've been forced to reconcile new ideas or deconstruct some acquired knowledge, just know I’ve been through the same process. It is painful and challenging and we all hate it. But don’t give up - you will like yourself much better on the other side, I promise. Hosted by the Kindred Exchange Podcast Network

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33. A Holistic Theology Leads us Vulnerable Children (and Their Parents, too) with Dr. Krish Kandiah

Season 2 · Episode 33

Monday, June 3, 2024 • Duration 51:20

This episode may be the most spiritually rich conversation to date on the Upwardly Dependent podcast. Dr. Krish Kandiah, and Officer of the British Empire and long-time advocate for refugees and orphans, shares incredible stories and deep reflections from his love for God’s word.

As the last guest in this series on Orphans and Vulnerable Children, you will be sure to find a renewed passion for not only neighboring well, but also for resting in the love of a Creator who pursues you, as well. There aren’t appropriate words to describe the impact this conversation could have on you, so just go ahead and give it a listen.

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Episode Highlights

Intro to Dr. Krish and his work as an Officer of the British Empire (3:29)
Wrestling with the responsibility of privilege (6:19)
Dr. Krish’s heart for adoption and supporting refugees (9:02)
Understanding God’s heart for people on the margins (16:37)
A holistic theology informing our care for vulnerable children (22:42)
The holiness of slowing down and inviting others in (29:47)
Racializing and dehumanizing vulnerable families (31:55)
A call to the Church to protect vulnerable children (42:18)

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32. Tell Compelling Adoption Stories, but First Make Sure They’re True with Nick Runyon

Season 2 · Episode 34

Monday, June 3, 2024 • Duration 46:40

Lauren was first introduced to Nick and Whitney Runyon a decade ago, and was drawn to their videography and storytelling across the globe. Both the Pinkstons and the Runyons entered into their own adoption journeys soon after, and as Lauren’s mind has expanded on the issue of orphan care, so has the work and advocacy of the Runyon’s organization, The Archibald Project.

In this conversation, Lauren and Nick meet for the first time. Nick warmly normalizes the growth process attached to complex issues, and graciously invites others to be courageous in their own evolution, as well. After listening to this conversation, you’ll be sure to want to explore the resources linked below.

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Episode Highlights

Intro to Nick and his work (2:03)
The start of The Archibald Project (6:33)
Examining past mistakes and shifting practices (9:51)
Telling honest stories about adoption and the foster care system (14:19)
Crafting parameters around storytelling as adoptive parents (20:32)
Honest stories from adoptive families (24:37)
Nick’s advice for people wrestling with the complexities of adoption (29:51)
Melinda’s adoption story (35:34)
Resources through The Archibald Project (37:46)

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23. A Mother’s Ethical Journey to IVF with Ansley Smith

Season 2 · Episode 23

Monday, January 1, 2024 • Duration 42:53

As medicine continues to advance, reproductive technologies provide more options to hopeful parents. Lauren’s sister, Ansley, shares her journey to motherhood with great vulnerability. This episode provides a frame for those who have wandered through ethical questions of in vitro fertilization. The things Ansley discusses here offer both challenge and hope in the midst of family planning.

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Episode Highlights

An introduction to Ansley Smith (3:34)
Ansley’s health and family journey (8:15)
What is endometriosis? (14:42)
The options and conversations for Ansley and her husband (19:14)
Ethics and IVF (24:53)
Ansley’s IVF journey (29:40)
Impacts of sharing her story (35:28)

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Think Orphan ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠- Learn more and listen to the podcast
⁠⁠⁠Emmaus House⁠⁠⁠ - Learn more about their work with orphaned youth in Haiti

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22. Forming Our Theology as we Form our Families with Shannan Martin

Season 2 · Episode 22

Monday, December 18, 2023 • Duration 51:08

As the mother of four children who joined her family through adoption, Shannan Martin shares how loving and walking alongside the marginalized of her community not only revolutionized her faith, but also made her an unapologetic ally with those who are negatively impacted by the U.S. prison system.

Shannan, whose husband is a chaplain in their local jail, shares what she has learned by living with and loving the incarcerated. In this episode, you’ll hear about how Shannan accesses the promise of the Gospel through the lives of her neighbors. Be sure to read Shannan’s books or sign up for her Substack for more conversations like this.

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Episode Highlights

Introduction to Shannan Martin (1:52)
Critical lessons in community (6:28)
Stories of injustice in the justice system (11:05)
Shannan’s views on involvement in government (25:20)
What is the Church in America missing? (31:07)
Trauma, marginalization, and the relationship to the justice system (36:09)
Resources and learning more (40:33)

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21. Reimagining the U.S. Justice System Informed By Survivors of Childhood Trauma with Cyntoia Brown Long

Season 2 · Episode 21

Monday, December 11, 2023 • Duration 57:41

Since her release in 2019, Cyntoia Brown Long has been able to travel the U.S. speaking about her experience within the criminal justice system where she was tried as an adult and placed in a womens’ prison at the age of 16. Her story started long before her arrest, however, and long before she found herself fearing for her life in the home of a man who offered to pay her for sex.

Cyntoia shares about her journey out of early childhood foster care and into a loving adoptive family–a journey that was still weighed down by crises of identity and belonging. Her story is one of resilience and faith, and shows how the prison system in the United States should evolve in order to consider the trauma histories of children in the courts.

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Episode Highlights

Introduction to Cyntoia (1:49)
Behavioral presentations of children in the classroom (8:40)
Cyntoia’s story and relationship with the criminal justice system (15:53)
Clemency & redemption (26:17)
Advocacy and interactions with the criminal justice system (30:51)
What’s at stake if things don’t change? (36:34)
Where should people of faith spend their time and energy? (41:40)
What’s giving Cyntoia hope? (49:00)

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20. Stories from Death Row: How ‘Criminal Justice’ is Failing Adult Children of Trauma with Patti van Eys, PhD

Season 2 · Episode 20

Monday, December 11, 2023 • Duration 01:20:33

In this episode, Dr. Patt van Eys provides an incredible foundation of understanding about psychiatric illnesses and the U.S. system for diagnosing and treating mental health concerns. Listeners will find this conversation SO helpful as Dr. Patti connects child development, attachment, and dissociation to the critical ages of neurological growth for babies 0-3 years of age. For those parenting or teaching children who are neurodiverse, this episode will bring clarity to new research around “developmental trauma” and how this phenomenon can manifest in adults. Dr. Patti regularly visits prison residents with death sentences, and works to explain how trauma, dissociation, and the brain’s protective instincts should be considered when assessing criminal behavior.

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Episode Highlights

An introduction to Dr. Patti van Eys (2:58)
DSM-5 and language evolution around developmental trauma (14:20)
Early brain development and attachment (26:28)
Understanding dissociation and developmental trauma disorder (35:39)
Understanding children with adverse childhood experiences (53:17)
Trauma, justice, and healing (1:01:36)

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19. Understanding the Power of Racial Identity for Transracial Adoptees with Angela Tucker

Season 2 · Episode 19

Monday, November 27, 2023 • Duration 44:06

Angela Tucker has been a long-time trusted voice in the space of transracial adoption. As an advocate for children growing up in foster and adoptive homes, she shares her own experience of finding her safest place amongst others who were raised apart from their birth families.

Angela facilitates the connection of a vibrant adoptee community full of teens and adults who share a unique journey to finding themselves and their identity. This episode is a critical listen for any parents who have adopted or fostered children of a racial heritage different from their own.

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Episode Highlights

An introduction to Angela Tucker (2:00)
Blindspots for adoptive parents and for society (4:46)
Angela’s book title and the language of “should” (9:55)
Expansive family and community models (12:02)
Entering spaces of racial majority and considering identity (19:53)
Angela’s experience in finding her birth family (26:48)
Exploring a sense of belonging and “third culture” (31:19)
The love and trauma realities of adoption (34:48)
Angela’s work with adoptees (40:34)

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18. Understanding the Power of Racial Identity for Transracial Adoptees with Milton Washington

Season 2 · Episode 18

Monday, November 20, 2023 • Duration 49:33

***This episode contains themes of self harm, some mild language, and other concepts that may be sensitive to listeners.***

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Milton Washington leads a number of ventures as he shares a powerful narrative of an identity formed through transnational and transracial experiences. In this episode, he sheds light on the unique origin to his story, and how he learned to grow into his own identity with pride. Listeners will be challenged in this episode as Milton bravely gives testimony to the parts of his adoption narrative that allowed him to find his place in his family. This episode provides excellent context to the complexities of the human experience, and offers an invitation for parents to understand their children as they best receive security and love.

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Episode Highlights

An introduction to Milton Washington and his story (1:53 )
Exploring identity and value as a transracial adoptee (11:15)
Family culture and fitting in (19:28)
Milton’s advice for adoptive parents (27:17)
What it might mean to help vulnerable children (35:10)
Follow Milton’s projects (44:55)

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17. How might the American Church Apologize for Institutionalizing Children? with Kimberly Quinley

Season 2 · Episode 17

Monday, November 13, 2023 • Duration 54:10

Kimberly and Lauren discuss the particular landscape of orphanages in Thailand, where $40M is donated to homes in 2 of the 76 provinces alone. Kim, a veteran advocate for reformed care led by Thai churches and families, shares how she’s seen practices shift over the years, and where donor churches still need to evolve in their understanding of child development and attachment. Kimberly leads StepAhead Thailand, an organization that offers training on scriptural frameworks for care as well as extensive guidelines for family strengthening.

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Episode Highlights

Introduction to Kimberly & Lauren’s relationship (1:55)
Kimberly’s story of moving to Thailand (8:11)
The effects of the American Church in Thailand (12:55)
Redefining the term “orphan” in the context of scripture (22:15)
The industrialization of the orphan care system (25:44)
Owning our past ill informed practices around orphan care (39:04)
Kimberly’s research with Lumos & resources for churches moving forward (47:02)

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16. Caring for Vulnerable Families Demands a Church-Wide Response with Jedd Medefind

Season 2 · Episode 16

Monday, November 6, 2023 • Duration 38:10

As the President of CAFO (Christian Alliance for Orphans), Jedd Medefind invites people with any skill set or particular burden to care for the needs of vulnerable children and families. Whether that is through offering prepared meals, financial support, intercessory prayer, physical space, or emotional respite, there are things anyone in the Church can offer in the ecosystem of family-based care. Lauren and Jedd set the stage for the rest of this season, and offer a guide to posturing our hearts to place the lived experience of adult children from orphanages or foster care to guide our actions and thoughts around the issue.

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Episode Highlights

An introduction to Jedd Medefind and CAFO (1:50)
Engaging the hurt and beauty of the Gospel (7:40)
Accurately communicating with the Church (15:34)
The Church abroad and orphan care (19:10)
Moving the work forward and growth in a time of critique (26:14)
Jedd’s work and CAFO 2024 (32:39)

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