Unscripted—The L&D Shakers Podcast - Details, episodes & analysis

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Unscripted—The L&D Shakers Podcast

Season IV is brought to you by Susanne Heiss

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Frequency: 1 episode/68d. Total Eps: 27

Unscripted is here to bring you real stories and lessons learned, redefine success in the L&D field and inspire you.

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S4E1: Change Starts by Listening

Season 4 · Episode 1

Wednesday, October 21, 2026 • Duration 37:12

In this Unscripted episode (a podcast by the L&D Shakers), host Susanne Heiss talks with Tobias Grewe about why organizational change should begin with listening. Tobias shares how stories reveal the “warm data” behind people’s experiences: their concerns, hopes, and the patterns shaping an organization. Together, they explore how leaders and HR can make space for those stories, build trust, and co-create a meaningful narrative for change.

Key topics

Why storylistening should come before storytelling
“Warm data” and what people’s stories reveal
Creating safe spaces for employees to share their experiences
Understanding resistance, grief, and uncertainty during change
Co-creating change narratives with leaders and teams
HR’s role in supporting change and advocating fo people
Narrative prompts that invite deeper reflection

About the guest

Tobias Grewe is a narrative and systemicorganizational developer, coach, and communication expert. He is the author of Kein Change ohne Story!, published in German by Haufe-Verlag.

Reach out to Tobias if you’d like to have more information in English on the content of the book and his work.

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About the host

Susanne Heiss is a Facilitator for Culture, Conflict & Change and the host of Season IV of Unscripted – the Podcast by the L&D Shakers.

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Please reach out to Susanne via her website if you would like to be a guest on one of our next Podcast episodes with the topic around Transformative Change.

If you'd like to join a global community of Learning & Development professionals with a bias toward action and connection, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠then !

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