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Two Librans

Roman Muradov, Tom Van Deusen

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Frequency: 1 episode/25d. Total Eps: 24

A podcast about the Fall and Mark E.Smith, headed by two cartoonists of moderate renown, Roman Muradov and Tom Van Deusen. If you don't care about the Fall, most of the show is funny digressions and exemplary banter on subjects as varied as Russian Wheel of Fortune, Tom Morello's Dangerous Truths, indie comics, Slack bullying, chocolate fountains, and so much more.

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1. Paintwork

Episode 1

Monday, December 9, 2024 • Duration 41:40

Welcome to the first episode of the Paintwork Two Librans podcast hosted by two cartoonists of moderate renown, Roman Muradov and Tom Van Deusen. Each week, we attempt to provide informed commentary on one song by The Fall, but inevitably get derailed and talk about highly unrelated things. So, if you are not a Fall fan, you are perhaps more likely to enjoy this, than if you are.

LIVE MIXING

On our first episode, we figure out a better name for the show live on air once it's revealed that it's one of the hosts' Very Special Day, so please ignore when we call the podcast “Paintwork”, that is no longer accurate.

Fittingly, we start off with “Paintwork”, from the seminal 1985 album This Nation's Saving Grace. With the benefit of hindsight and several more episodes in the can, we can say with confidence that this is the most focused coverage of a song we ever did or will ever do, so strap in.

Also each week, we listen to an interview with the very cantankerous Mark E.Smith, and for the first week, we picked the classic 1989 clip "Mark E Smith German TV Interview 1989". Our favorite little imp was in a pretty feisty mood for this one, and the format, wardrobes, and vibes are all deliciously off the charts.

ALSO COVERED

Sister paintings

Fan numbering

Roman’s Google search result success

Fellow Fall fan and friend of the pod Liam Barrett

German Singer / Songwriter / Sensation Phillip Boa

Sad Bachelor Meals

Please make sure to tell your friends, family and coworkers to listen up and learn a thing or two about a band they've never heard of and probably wouldn’t like. Ring the bell, smash subscribe and stay tuned for next week's episode.

PS. Don’t forget to subscribe to Roman’s award-winning personal substack, DADA issues.

P.P.S Don’t forget to subscribe to Tom’s non-award-winning but still pretty funny personal substack, Tom Van Deusen Land.

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit twolibrans.substack.com

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2. Two Librans

Episode 2

Tuesday, December 17, 2024 • Duration 55:59

Welcome back to the Two Librans, the only podcast that is brave enough to criticize the French and their lacivious ways. This week we are covering our namesake, “Two Librans”, from the 2000 album The Unutterable.

Roman decided to shrink himself down to record this episode from inside a toilet bowl, so the audio quality on his end is rather echoey and there’s a bit of clipping in one portion. We sincerely apologize and have since gotten that sorted. The next one is better, and the one after is even better than that.

With our new name, we tap into our “Libra Moods”, and discuss all sorts of non-Fall subject matter. This includes a lengthy discussion on the wildly unhinged Russian version of Wheel of Fortune, Field of Wonder. Strap on in.

INTERVIEW

This week’s interview takes place on the infamous “Red Sofa” with Lauren Laverne, who tries to make things cheeky and fun but is swatted down by a particularly pissy MES. The audience in the background is made up of children who seem bored and confused. We forgot they’re even there until they chuckle at something Mark says over three minutes in. A great time was had by all.

ALSO COVERED

Funereal disrespect

Mark E. Smith’s BEE MOVIE prophecy

“Chimps are funny.” Jerry gives us a glimpse at his manuscripts from the Library of Congress

Hugo Remastered

The Russian TV intro animation that terrified Roman as a child

The Field of Wonders, everyone!

The only group that captured the true essence of The Fall

Roman’s animated take on the Russian Field of Fortune and other traumatic TV memories

PS. Don’t forget to subscribe to Roman’s award-winning personal substack, DADA issues.

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3. The Birmingham School of Business School

Episode 3

Tuesday, December 24, 2024 • Duration 01:14:49

One of the Fall’s weirder 90’s bangers, Jerry Garcia on rap, Chester Brown on hair, and, of course, astrology (for Libras only, the rest of you turn away now).

Ho ho ho, and Merry Motherloving Christmas to our our Christian listeners out there. Welcome back to Episode 3 of our mighty podcast, recorded well before Thanksgiving, so don’t expect any holiday gift guides for the Fall fans in your life. Instead, we’re finally getting the hang of speaking into microphones, and this is the first episode we can say with authority is “okay”. Well, mostly, aside from Roman’s audio still being a bit lacking. We promise the next episode will sound like a Steely Dan album; crystal-clear dogshit.

This week, we’re covering a pretty obscure track (The Birmingham School of Business School) from an album most folks forget existed (Code: Selfish).

Wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah… wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah

We discuss the “creative accounting” that inspired the song, its rather unfocused lyrics and the album Code: Selfish that rarely left our collective Case Logic CD briefcase. And, true to our brand, we discuss what it was like to rent video tapes in Russia, Chester Brown’s hot new look, and a bunch of other enlightening topics.

MARK ON TAPE

The “interview” this week is really just Mark E. Smith pontificating about what’s on his mind that day. According to the YouTube title, this includes “Music, Civil Rights and John Lennon”, and mumbles about six words in on each of these subjects.

ALSO COVERED

A recitation of River Cuomo’s unfortunate fan letter to cartoonist Joe Matt

Pascal Le Gras’s Fall covers

Mark’s graphic design skills firing on all cylinders on this record

Chester Brown’s Coiffurial Style Corner

Morrissey’s sexual accomplishment

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4. Winter (Hostel-Maxi)

Episode 4

Tuesday, December 31, 2024 • Duration 01:23:38

A thorough discussion on a classic track(s) from Hex Enduction Hour, the most cantankerous and irresponsible interview to ever appear on Australian children’s television, and some Dangerous Truths from a Special Guest Host!

We’re closing out 2024 with a BANG, covering an absolute classic: Winter (Hostel-Maxi) from 1981’s Hex Enduction Hour. We discuss why the song was split in two, dissect the (many) lyrics, and pull some demented theories from the bottomless depths of the world’s most useless, defunct website, The Annotated Fall, all with newfound swagger on the mic and crispy-clean audio quality. Around halfway through our discussion we encounter a shocking revelation, which will continue into Episode 5 next week!

NEW YEAR NEW HOST

2024 was the year our humble podcast splashed out of the womb, and as a thank you for sticking with us this far, we also had on our first Mystery Guest Host, who delivers some Dangerous Truths that might rip you out of your comfort zone and question the values you hold so dear. We also veer into legthy discussions of the The Fall’s responsibilty for the entirity of modern Icelandic music, problematic terms for German prog music, and the live-action Disney remakes of their classic animated films.

MARK VS. MARC

This week’s interview is from the Australian program(me) “Sounds”, hosted by the genuinely charming Donnie Sutherland. His charm is countered by two men who had gotten into a literal fistfight the evening before; MES and Marc “Happy Fall Guitarist” Riley. Why they decided to have this duo on exclusively for the interview after Marc gave Mark a well-deserved, nasty shiner (poorly hidden by heavy makeup) is anyone’s guess, but Donnie powers through the interview like a true pro and wins them over by the end. It’s capped by him recommending Hex Enduction Hour to Australia’s youth, which is not only hilarious but socially irresponsible.

ALSO COVERED

The only way the French know how to pay tribute

Educating Zoomers

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5. Winter 2

Episode 5

Tuesday, January 7, 2025 • Duration 01:49:39

The second half of our discussion on Winter, sixty seconds of Mark E. Smith mumbling about drinking while “drowning in a sea of Boddingtons”, and over a hundred minutes of discussion on things that are decidedly not the Fall.

SCENARIO: A Fall superfan discovers a brand new podcast about their favorite band. Better yet, there’s two whole episodes and over THREE HOURS of discussion on their favorite song, Winter from the 1981 masterpiece Hex Enduction Hour. They subscribe, pop open their podcatcher and are utterly baffled by sound collages, lengthy descriptions of a deranged Seinfeld episode that sound like a fever dream, and stories about blacking out from drinking in Buffalo in the mid 00’s. No, sir, this isn’t your grandmother’s Fall podcast (though I heard that’s pretty good, too), this is Two Librans; the intersection of comics, astrology, Patti Smith’s poetry and The Fall. Only listen to this once a day. Your brain might be destroyed!

Our original plan for last week was to cover the entirety of the two-part song Winter, but like all good trains, it got derailed. Tom joked before that recording that we could discuss Winter 2 the following week, but that is exactly what happened. The boys wrap up the discussion with the help of some very lonely and bored men who loitered on the defunct Annotated Fall when it was still a going concern, and also talk about all sorts of other things. This one is a hoot, and we laughed at ourselves quite a bit while editing. Radical Self-Love, I think that’s what they call it.

MARK E. SMITH LIKES A BEER AND IS NOT ASHAMED

This week we’re treated to a damn-near incomprehensible monologue by our spiritual leader MES, where he proffers such invaluable truths as “You cannot be an alcoholic if you have your drink in the open”. Actually that’s about the only wisdom he provides, the rest is just typical kvetching about other bands and the media. And we wouldn’t have it any other way. 60 seconds of pure gold.

ALSO COVERED

Roman’s one-night-long stoner phase

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7. Tempo House

Tuesday, February 18, 2025 • Duration 01:19:13

In this Tempo House we discuss: a very long and weird song from possibly the Fall's best album, the proud-boys-to-proud-men pipeline, the story of our meeting, the art of editing, Snow White and her Dwarfs, Twilight soundtrack, and Tom's mom.

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6. That Man

Episode 6

Tuesday, January 21, 2025 • Duration 01:27:37

…in which these men discuss crime (cyber, and regular), gloryholes, the manosphere, and The Fall, ft. Caitlin Moran

Why hello there, did you miss us? We're back from a short hiatus you may or may not have noticed. We have both been incredibly busy with outside projects (also Tom was very sick), and discovered that keeping a weekly schedule was slowly ruining us. So, if we miss a week, please go back and catch up on any episodes you may have missed. Do not listen to any other podcasts.

This week we cover an obscure track that’s only appeared on bootlegged live performances or tacked on as a bonus track on reissues, “That Man.” It’s a somewhat obnoxious song that neither of us particularly like, and the mealy-mouthed explanation of why Tom chose it falls apart pretty quickly as the discussion progresses. Even the unlovable goofballs on the now defunct Annotated Fall disapprove. Nevertheless, because we are covering everything Mark E. Smith ever penned, we do a full lyrical analysis of this stupid song, and discover it’s rife with extremely-specific Manchester references and (according to the Annotated Fall) William Blake references? Sure, buddy.

And this being Two Librans, our discourse flies off the handle. In addition to That Man, These Men discuss Chuck E. Cheese, South American retreats for adherents to the Manosphere, glory holes (quite a bit on this actually), and Cyber Punishment for Cyber Crimes. Also: Tom plays a kazoo.

DO YOU LIKE SEX

This week’s interview is from some awful television show called Naked City, where host Caitlin Moran tries to drum up controversy with an extremely bemused and increasingly drunk Mark E. Smith.

Perhaps the best part is when he’s asked who his favorite comedian is, and he answers Bernard Manning, an English comedian and nightclub owner whose sense of humor resembles your racist uncle telling jokes to try to impress uncles even more racist than him. He looks and sounds like an anthropomorphic jowl, so good luck trying to understand the clips they play of him blathering about immigrants or women or something.

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8. Spoilt Victorian Child

Tuesday, March 11, 2025 • Duration 01:05:22

This marks our first child-themed episode, and it runs the gauntlet from how to dress your child, horrible movies your children will demand to watch, mistakes your child can make when under the influence of Rock and Roll music, and of course, the song Spoilt Victorian Child.

Truly one of The Fall’s great “bangers”, frontloading the already excellent This Nation’s Saving Grace. We have a nuanced conversation about the lyrics, which are relatively straightforward by Fall standards. Also, we miss some very obvious references. Have any guesses as to what “SVC” could stand for in this song? Tune in to hear us take an entire episode to figure it out!

We also go back to school and cover Tom’s hit lists and Roman’s enormous genitals on the pages of Nikolai Gogol’s Dead Souls. Ah, youth..

A DIP INTO THE COMMENTS CESSPOOL

We’ve danced around the petty, strange world of the comments accompanying the “annotations” on the Annotated Fall, but this week we do a deep dive into their chatter about “SVC”. We read aloud a very stupid, petty argument among grown men over the lyrics to the song, before someone posts the lyrics sheet as listed in the official single, almost as if it’s an irrelevant aside.

ALSO COVERED

Gaston Bachelard vs Fletcher Hanks

Fantagraphics childwear

(still for sale at the moment of writing)

Fuck Al/Fuck AI

Tom’s college classmates

The revolution will begin with Limp Bizkit

Robert Christgau, “The Dean of American Rock Critics”

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10. No Bulbs

Episode 10

Friday, May 30, 2025 • Duration 58:37

Welcome to the TENTH episode of your favorite podcaster’s favorite podcast, Two Librans. We’ve spent the better part of a week together on a European holiday, and haven’t killed each other quite yet, and even managed to finally edit another episode, based on this certified banger:

We both agree it’s about living in squalor, but both Roman and the weirdos at The Annotated Fall think it has something to do with Mark E. Smith expecting the previous tenant of his flat to leave a belt for him to wear when the move out (?). There are plenty of demented theories in the comments, and we ride along on their leaps of logic till they become too stupid to deal with.

This week’s episode is also our new format! From here on out we’re only going to cover one topic or song. It’s shorter! This one is a 1hr! 1hr! 1hr! Enduction ep. This is also our first episode with an HR complaint, as we navigate the tricky world of slack-based workspace bullying.

ALSO DISCUSSED

Mark Zuckerberg’s Neck

Roman brags about eating charcoal for some reason

Women of the World Take Over the Pod

Jeffrey Lewis’s fun “documentary” on The Fall

Miami Review of Comics

Drew Lerman’s proper comics podcast which has no mention of astrology or the Fall (which is why it’s not as good as ours). A recent episode of it may’ve been sampled into nonsense in this ep (the real thing is much more sober and informative than what we do here).

PS.

Don’t forget to follow our personal stacks. Roman recently got hospitalized (he’s fine-ish now) and improvised some demented comics about the oldest profession.

And Tom is about to post pretty long travelogue series on his trip to Europe, including lots of shocking and disturbing revelations about Roman that MIGHT end our friendship! Subscribe so you don’t miss .

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9. Victoria

Episode 9

Tuesday, April 15, 2025 • Duration 01:14:32

Welcome back Foodie Fam! It’s ya boys, JellyRoll and GobbleGoo for another delicious episode of Two Librans, the only podcast that dares to ask how much food can one stuff into their mouth! This week isn’t just about eating, it’s also about chewing, and this week we’re chewing on The Fall’s fantastic cover of the Kinks Klassic “Victoria”!

Unfortunately, The Annotated Fall let us down yet again, and has no page dedicated to this cover song. It kind of makes sense, considering they didn’t change any of the lyrics of the original, but we still miss goofing on the deranged and lonely men arguing in the comments. Still, there’s plenty for us to discuss, from our love of The Kinks to the original design of the Michelin Man.

PRESS YOUR LUCK

This week’s interview is amazing, maybe the best we’ve covered so far. Featuring the very charming Kristy MacColl and a surprisingly agreeable Mark E. Smith popping on a fun show called Video View. The host plays a video, and all three have a giant buzzer to press when they’ve had enough. Everyone talks a lot of shit, and Mark even looks rather tame compared to the razor-tongued MacColl. Really worth watching before we discuss it.

ALSO COVERED

How many harmonicas does one band need?!

We kinda lost it watching this one. Play along if you want the full communal experience.

Jim Carrey’s savage and disrespectful political cartoons

This.

And its forefather

PS.

Don’t forget to follow our personal stacks. Roman recently illustrated a children’s book, ripe for the extended foodie fam:

And Tom had an existential crisis when he completely fucked up a screenprint. This is the penultimate post in the saga you have all been following so closely!

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