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Join us for an enlightening conversation with Dana Brown Northcott from Amazon and Etienne Sanz de Acedo from INTA as we explore leadership transitions in the world of intellectual property. Discover how fresh leadership at organizations like the Chartered Institute of Patent Attorneys and INTA, with the likes of Bobby Mukherjee and Elizabeth Stewart Bradley stepping into Presidential roles, is shaping the future of the IP landscape. Our discussion uncovers the challenges and exciting opportunities that arise when new perspectives and agendas come to the forefront, and how these shifts impact member-driven associations.

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Join Lee and Gwilym as they navigate the complex role of AI in intellectual property with Ryan Abbott, Professor of Law and Health Sciences at University of Surrey. Ryan discusses how jurisdictions worldwide are grappling with AI's potential role as an inventor, highlights the lack of international consensus, and the ongoing debates that define this area of law. Get ready to uncover the intriguing journey of AI-generated inventions, the implications of AI's prowess in fields like drug discovery, and the pressing need for evolving patent law to keep pace. 

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Ever found yourself chasing a toddler through bustling streets in Vietnam or battling childhood shingles during a family getaway? We share these personal adventures that serve as a lively backdrop to our enlightening conversation on the intricate world of intellectual property. Lee and Gwilym are joined by the insightful Rachel Jones and Jet Doran from Snapdragon IP, who reveal their journey from personal invention to establishing a key player in the fight against online counterfeits. With tales of unexpected innovations and the harsh realities of counterfeiting, this episode promises a unique blend of engaging narratives and critical insights.

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How do the pressures of the IP industry intersect with men's mental health, and what strides are being made to address them? Joining Lee and Gwilym this week are Graham Mccartney and Richard Wells, who shed light on Jonathan's Voice, a charity dedicated to supporting mental health in the IP sector. They also give insight to the amazing work of IP Inclusive, who promote and improve EDI and wellbeing throughout the UK’s IP professions.

Looking back over the past decade, significant progress in mental health support within the IP community is evident. But there is always more to be done.

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CIPA members have played a key role in the success of Prince William's increasingly influential Earthshot Prize, the multi-million pound annual environmental awards.
This year the awards were held in Cape Town and Deputy Chief Executive Neil Lampert was among the invited VIPs. Neil talks to Lee about his chats with past CIPA-nominated winners and finalists - and hopes that CIPA members can play an even more important role in supporting Earthshot finalists.
Read more about the 2024 winners and the awards ceremony on the Earthshot website.

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In this episode of Two IPs in a Pod, Lee and Gwilym chat with Annemarie Parsons and Vicky Maynard about CIPA’s Introductory and Advanced Paralegals training courses. 

After discussing how the IP Paralegal profession has developed over the years they dive into the structure, benefits, and objectives of each course, explaining how they help paralegals develop key skills and deepen their understanding of the IP profession.

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Trade marking isn't just a legal formality; it's a strategic move that can help make or break a band's artistic journey. Joining Lee Davies and Gwilym's stand-in, Neil Lampert, this week are trade mark attorneys Chris McLeod and Jerry Bridge-Butler, of CITMA, who bring a blend of legal expertise and rock 'n roll enthusiasm to our discussion. From Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention to the oft-debated legacy of The Smiths, our guests provide insight into the historical missteps and modern approaches to band names and trade marks.

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Join us as we explore the intersection of professional achievements and cultural heritage with our special guests, Josh McLennan, a European patent attorney, and Nikkei, a technical director and diversity advocate. Discover how the Chartered Institute of Patent Attorneys is embracing democracy with an upcoming presidential election, a decade since the last contested race. Our guests share their unique journeys in the fields of patent law and engineering, offering insights into the importance of diversity and inclusion within these industries.

The episode takes an introspective turn as we examine Britain's complex race relations history, from past economic motivations behind policy decisions to the resurfacing of racial tensions today. We tackle the critical need for open conversations around systemic inequality and the role of allyship in creating lasting change. Through a mixture of personal anecdotes and historical reflections, we invite listeners to engage with the past and its influence on our present and future, underscoring the importance of continuous learning and connection.

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We’re back! Kicking off season 12, Lee and Gwilym are joined by Rachel Fetches, IP/Patent Litigation Partner at HGF. 

Discover how the Unified Patent Court is set to transform patent litigation across Europe. This episode sheds light on the shift from a fragmented to a more centralized system, offering patentees the promise of pan-European injunctions and a streamlined process. 

Join them as they discuss the potential of the UPC for SMEs, international businesses, and the opportunities and hurdles presented.

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In this episode of Two IPs in a Pod, hosts Lee and Gwilym sit down with David Kappos, former Director of the USPTO and a key figure in IP law. They dive into his fascinating career, from his work at IBM to his time in the Obama administration, exploring pivotal moments and key insights. The conversation also touches on the future of IP law in the US, the challenges ahead, and some stories about the most famous people they’ve all met along the way.

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This week Lee and Gwilym are joined by another amazing IP Inclusive Community - IP Ability.

Guests Marianne Privett (AA Thornton), Chris Clark (Vectura) and George Lucas (eip) bring both a personal and professional perspective on disability inclusion and emphasize the crucial need for a more open and accessible environment within the IP profession. 

From examination accommodations for neurodivergent individuals to the legislative milestones like the UK's Equality Act, the progress made is commendable, yet there is still a long way to go. 

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This week Lee and Gwilym are joined by Lisa Jorgenson of WIPO as she shares her incredible career journey from sales, to IP litigation, to her current role at WIPO. Join the Peas as they chat with Lisa about WIPO's collaborative efforts to advance intellectual property on a global scale, the structure and functions of WIPO, and the role of the PCT in shaping patent strategies. Lisa also describes the the global initiatives led by WIPO, especially those aimed at supporting developing countries and empowering women and minorities in the IP field.

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Join Lee and Gwilym as they sit down with Jane Wainwright from IPause, the latest initiative by IP Inclusive. This episode dives into the critical topic of menopause, focusing on how it impacts professionals in the intellectual property field. Jane shares invaluable insights on the support and community IP Pause offers, emphasising the importance of awareness and understanding in the workplace. Whether you're experiencing menopause or supporting someone who is.

You can find out more about IP Pause at: https://ipinclusive.org.uk/community/ipause/

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Ever wondered how a casual chat about football and shirts can effortlessly lead to a deep dive into equity, diversity, and inclusion within the intellectual property profession? That's exactly what happens in this episode as Lee reminisces about his unexpected participation in a football tournament, setting a relaxed and humorous tone before we dive into the serious topic at hand. We then introduce our brilliant guests— Beatrice Malacart, Lianne Da-Cunha, and Riddhi Patel, trainee patent attorneys at Forrester's—who share their unique journeys and emphasize the importance of fostering a diverse and inclusive environment in the IP field. 

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Get ready to explore groundbreaking legal insights with Dr Tim Sampson, a seasoned barrister specialising in intellectual property and construction law. 

In this episode, Tim joins Lee and Gwilym to discuss a landmark Supreme Court case involving trade mark infringement. Tune in to hear about the complexities of defending his clients and gain an understanding of how the court's fresh perspective on director liability in IP law offers a fairer playing field for honest directors. 

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Join Lee and Gwilym in the last of the Pubcast special episodes as they chat with Ed Bray from DeepRender about how AI is reshaping the patent world. Ed explains his professional journey from solicitor to inhouse patent attorney at a tech startup and how his experiences helped shape his current role. There is also a discussion on the current limitations of AI and and the broader challenges within the patent system.

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Lord Justice Colin Birss returns for this special Pubcast episode. Join him, Lee and Gwilym in the Lamb Pub as they explore the transformative potential of AI in the legal profession, the benefits of expanding diversity in judiciary recruitment and recent developments in the Unified Patent Court and the UK's Civil Procedure Rules. There is also an interesting discussion about Cheese...

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What if your favorite hobby could transform into a career that connects you with thousands of like-minded enthusiasts? In this episode, we explore the fascinating journey of Kyle Ashman, a dedicated football shirt collector whose daily posts on platforms like Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube have turned him into a social media influencer. Alongside returning guest Rebecca O'Kelly-Gillard, Kyle shares the story of his evolution from a modest collector to a sought-after content creator, attracting brand collaborations and building a vibrant community. 

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During a recent pubcast recording the Peas sat down with Dr Liz Zijing Li, COO, inventor and Co-founder of Mimicrete. They discussed the possibilities of self-healing concrete, Liz's journey to the foundation of the company and the future aspirations of Mimicrete. You can also find out more about Liz's story and experience with Intellectual Property on the CIPA YouTube Channel.

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Join Lee and Gwilym on their last podcats in Atlanta with Krish Gupta, Senior Vice President - Litigation and Intellectual Property at Dell Technologies. Krish has extensive experience in overseeing intellectual property and litigation matters for various tech companies. 

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Join Lee and Gwilym this week as they chat to Chris Parsonson, the founder and CEO of Solve Intelligence, in another INTA special on this years hot topic - artificial intelligence. Chris explains his work on the integration of artificial intelligence in patent drafting and analysis, and reassures listeners that AI is not coming for all patent attorneys job. Lee also takes his roving mic on a journey through the INTA exhibition hall to chat with Shannon Fitzpatrick from Questel and Debbie Welch of Sun IP, to find out more ways AI can help the work of patent attorneys everywhere. 

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Still in Atlanta, Lee is riding solo this week without Gwilym, but is joined by Scott Frank, President & CEO  AT&T Intellectual Property LLC.  However, we get to learn more about what Scott does in his spare time... Scott would like to introduce you to the Global Intellectual Property Alliance (GLIPA) a non-profit formed on October, 2022, based on the effectiveness of the alliance model of the USIPA (United States Intellectual Property Alliance), GIPA (Georgia State Intellectual Property Alliance) and other state level IPA models. 

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Lee and Gwilym are still at INTA and this time speaking with Nicole Morris, professor of practice at Emory University; learning about her career, representation in the IP Profession and a deep dive into Entrepreneurship. We also discover the Peas’ inner spirit animals.

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In this episode, recorded from the INTA conference in Atlanta, Georgia, Lee and Gwilym sit down with Executive Director Vincent Garlock and President Ann Mueting from the American Intellectual Patent Law Association (AIPLA).   Learn more about this great American institution,  which represents a wide and diverse spectrum of individuals, law firms and companies involved with intellectual property.  If Lee and Gwilym went to INTA to break America, this was their equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium...

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In this episode Lee and Gwilym sit down with President Paula Clancy and Catherine Lovrics of the Intellectual Property Institute of Canada. The conversation covers the regulation of the Canadian intellectual property profession, the limitations of privilege protection, how IPIC are providing a proactive approach to career development, and the future of AI and its impact on the profession. There is also a small debate on what may have fallen out of a tree during Lee's visit to Canada...

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Next up on this special INTA series is Andy Bartlett and Oliver Morris from the UKIPO. Join them as they chat to Lee and Gwilym about digital transformation, policy and attaches around the globe. 

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In this episode from the INTA 2024 conference, Lee and Gwilym chat with Vaibhav and Bharath about the evolving intellectual property landscape in India, recent developments, challenges, and opportunities in the Indian IP sector. There's also the smallest disagreement about cricket. 

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It's Lee and Gwilym's first full episode broadcasting from the world's biggest intellectual property event, the annual meeting of the International Trademark Association (INTA) in Atlanta, Georgia. What better guest to kick off this INTA series of episodes than David Muls, the Senior Director of the Madrid Registry - the primary international registry for trade marks - at the World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO). The discussion takes in the effectiveness of Madrid, how it differs from the Hague and Lisbon Systems...and which BBC act our co-hosts mostly resemble: Monty Python or Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men. You decide!

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Will the the Two IPs break America? Lee, Gwilym and producer Emily are in Atlanta to speak to delegates of the world's biggest intellectual property conference, the annual meeting of the International Trademark Association (INTA). A special series of INTA episodes, featuring stellar guests from the world of IP, will be arriving in your feed over the coming days and weeks...

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Join Lee as he interviews guests at the after party of the successful CIPA event, UK patent drafting and litigation – myth, legend & reality. This episode features feedback from members after attending an hour session with an expert panel of Judges to look at patent litigation from the perspective of the judiciary.

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Two IPs in a Pod turns 4! For this anniversary episode, Lee and Gwilym are joined by the EPO’s Steve Rowan at the SCI building in Belgravia.

Join them as they talk unitary patents, SMEs, description amendments and much more. 

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In this episode, Lee and Gwilym chat with Martin Brassell and Neil Bellamy about NatWest's innovative lending strategy for IP-rich businesses. They dive into how the bank utilizes IP assets as collateral, supported by Inngot's valuations. The conversation extends to the significance of IP valuation, how the Pandemic changed the way that IP is viewed as an asset, growing government interest with the initiative and the broader impact of scale-up businesses. Also good news, Albert is awake! 

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Vaccines are highly sensitive to temperature and need to be refrigerated within a very specific temperature range to be effective. Imagine how vaccine deployment could be transformed and more lives saved if the need for cold chain storage and transport could be eliminated. This week Lee and Gwilym are joined by Dr. Asel Sartbaeva, co-founder and CEO of EnsiliTech Ltd and her patent attorney Isobel Finnie, of Haseltine Lake Kempner LLP, to discuss the innovative work EnsiliTech is doing to thermally stabilise vaccines. They discuss Asel's journey in developing a silica-based solution for storing vaccines, the company's mission to eliminate vaccine spoilage and the importance of territorial coverage in patenting. 

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On this week's epsiode, Lee and Neil are joined by Matilda Memaripour and Ashley Tambe from the Informals Committee. They emphasise the importance of self-care sessions for trainees and announce plans for a summer fundraiser, showcasing their commitment to mental health advocacy within the organisation. Ashley also talks about his dad filing a patent...for a flying car!

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We nominated sustainable dye pioneers Colorifix for a £1m Earthshot Prize. They were selected from more than 1,000 amazing environmental solutions as a finalist but narrowly missed out on the big prize. The company's founder and Chief Scientific Officer, Jim Ajioka, sat down with CEO Lee and his deputy, Neil, to discuss the history of textile and colour, Colorifix's IP journey and why Lee can't dye white leather winkle-picker shoes yellow.

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This episode is perhaps a little change of pace, with Gwilym a lone host hunkering down in his local, the reigns of the podcast are taken up by two members of the upcoming Informals podcast team, Joel David Briscoe and Sophie Knott. Turning the tables on the sole pea they discuss their plans to launch a new podcast called "The IP Survival Guide" and dig into Gwilym's own career journeys, their collective experience with training and the evolution of the profession. 

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This week Lee and Gwilym are joined by Dr Nike Folayan MBE, a Chartered Engineer in electronics and Co-Founder of Association For BME Engineers, a not-for-profit organisation that promotes higher achievements in education and engineering, particularly among people from black and minority ethnic (BME) backgrounds. Nike chats with Lee and Gwilym about diversity and inclusion within the worlds of engineering and IP,  engaging young people in the STEM sector and the issues of retaining diverse talent in the workplace.

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This week Lee and Gwilym are joined by Entrepreneur, inventor and mum-of-three Lisa Hicks invented an eco-friendly solid soap dispenser after realising how many liquid soap and shampoo bottles her family were using and throwing away during COVID lockdown. Nature lover Lisa, of Monmouth, spent two-and-a-half years developing her idea and has now patented and commercialised her SNOAP dispenser – a manual soap bar grinder that dispenses the soap as a snow-like powder ready to mix with water.

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This week Lee and Gwilym are joined by the UK's best-known double act in IP, Adam Williams and Andy Bartlett from the UK Intellectual Property Office. Join them as they discuss the IPO's digital transformation programme, the challenges around the international harmonisation of intellectual property law and the IPO's plans to further support innovative SMEs. 

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This week Lee and Gwilym are joined by Kevin Mooney, ‘architect’ of the Unified Patent Court (UPC). Kevin, a solicitor and partner at Simmons and Simmons, shared his extensive involvement in the UPC project. Hear about the challenges faced, the potential impact of the UPC on local German divisions, and the UK's position in relation to the UPC agreement. 

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Join Lee and Gwilym as they welcome Immediate Past President of CIPA, Daniel Chew, back to the podcast. Hear about his globe-trotting year as President, from  traveling to the USA and Asia to promote the UK profession, to rubbing shoulders with celebrities at the esteemed Earthshot Prize Awards in Singapore, where CIPA nominees were among the finalists. 

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What's at the top of of the news agenda for one of the top IP journalists in the UK? Gwilym and stand-in host Neil Lampert chat with Max Walters, of Managing IP, about patent quality at the EPO, standard essential patents, Natwest using IP as collateral for loans and the impact of AI on patent firms. 

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Join Lee and Gwilym and their guest Head of Volunteer Recruitment for the Access Project, Jessica James. The Access Project sees access to Higher Education as one of the best levellers in our society. Their mission outlines that it is one of the best ways to enable talented young people to overcome the barriers and special inequalities they face, and reach their potential. 

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How can we turn the political rhetoric about Britain becoming a science superpower into reality? Hosts Lee Davies and Gwilym Roberts speak with Sharon Todd, Chief Executive of the Society of Chemical Industry (SCI) and Charlotte Crowhurst, Chartered Patent Attorney and Member of the SCI’s Board of Trustees, about accelerating science out of the lab. Unlike tech companies, which can often turn profits quickly, science businesses take a long time to develop and scale - and often need an extensive patent portfolio. The SCI has launched a manifesto calling for a more comprehensive, long-term commitment to support science start-ups and attract investment. If the Government grasps this, the SCI says there is an opportunity to generate an additional £230Bn GVA for the UK economy and 240,00 new jobs in the life science and cleantech sectors.

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The Pubcast is back! Lee and Gwilym are in The Lamb London with guest Sarah Rodriguez, who is a qualified patent attorney in the US, the UK, and Europe. Over some drinks, Sarah discusses case law, the inventive step and the differences between the jurisdictions. 

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The next episode from the Pubcast sees Lee and Gwilym joined by Annemarie Parsons in The Lamb London. Annemarie is the Director of Paralegals at Murgitroyd and Chair of the CIPA IP Paralegal Committee. Annemarie chats with Lee and Gwilym about her personal career progression, the evolution of paralegals from an administrative role to a recognised legal profession and the qualifications and exams offered by CIPA. 

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In this episode of Two IP's in a Pod, Lee and Gwilym engage in a captivating conversation with Otto English, the pseudonymous persona of the talented writer and journalist Andrew Scott. The focus of their discussion revolves around Otto's insightful book, 'Fake Heroes,' delving into the intricate fabric of origin stories and the veneer of heroism in today's society.

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Where would the intellectual property system be without research and development? A strong R&D sector is a critical component of a successful innovation economy and public support for R&D is essential to ensure that politicians continue to fund it. Lee and his deputy, Neil, are joined by Dr Ben Bleasdale, of the Campaign for Science and Engineering (CaSE) to discuss his work with the public and politicians to promote the importance of R&D and future collaboration between CIPA and CaSE.

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We made it to a century...not out! Join hosts Lee and Gwilym as they celebrate their 100th episode in the pub with special guest, CIPA Vice-President Matt Dixon. Tune in for an insightful conversation as Matt shares his priorities for his year as President, including his determination to put a UK stamp on the Unified Patent Court and to challenge any attempts to erect barriers to qualification as a European Patent Attorney.

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It is important to speak out and ask for help when you need it. This is especially true when it comes to the stresses of taking exams, starting in a new profession, and feeling totally overwhelmed. Our hosts, Lee Davies and Gwilym Roberts, are joined by Penelope Aspinall from Jonathan's Voice and trainee patent attorneys Elisabeth Pauli (Dehns) and Callum Watson (Forresters) to discuss mental health, coping mechanisms and their personal experiences in the profession.